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You do? Which would explain this comment, right?i do believe in sportsmanship
Running up the score is intentionally embarrasing your opponent, which IMO is bad sportsmanship.wtf gives a about sportsmanship and like that,
stern an stu dont deliver on sundays?
You do? Which would explain this comment, right?i do believe in sportsmanship
Running up the score is intentionally embarrasing your opponent, which IMO is bad sportsmanship.wtf gives a about sportsmanship and like that,
embarrasing for them, if they had the dignity they wouldve tried to win the game b4 it became a blowout.
this happens in every other sport, would you go for touchdown if ur team is winning? would you go for extra goal if ur team is winnin?
and theres a better view of the punch shown atm if you look around,
that doesn't make it right.this happens in every other sport, would you go for touchdown if ur team is winning? would you go for extra goal if ur team is winnin?
and no, if I was up by three td's I would not go for the extra score nor would I do for an extra goal if I was already up say 7-2 in soccer. I do agree that in basketball it is harder to keep the score down because of the shotclock but that is when you empty your bench.
I'm not saying Bavetta drove the decision. I don't think he's smart enough to tie his own shoelaces. You think there weren't contingency instructions from the league for the refs, should the unthinkable happen again? Why else would they throw EVERYONE out? Kind of a baby/bathwater situation...also what leads me to think there will be "scorched earth" suspensions.
I can see that (if the hits the fan, throw them all out). I can't see suspensions much longer than 10 games though.
Mose-check your PMs.
Of course if it were the Spurs.....Bavetta would have thrown them all out!
Please define a "blow-out." The Suns do not play their starters in blow-outs... I've made this point a hundred times, but your comment comes from the biggest jackass on this board, so I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.
Because the Knicks obviously weren't trying to win the game before the brawl.
Yeah, it pretty well ended both their careers as effective players
Does anyone remember who Kareem Abdul-Jabbar hit and broke his hand, or how long that suspension was?
thats just George playing off the media. He also said the Nuggets werent interested in AI.
The deal is still very much on. A sixers insider, who seems to have a good rep, said something should be done in the next 48hrs. King spoke to the Nuggets yesterday (or today maybe).
That's good. I want the whole AI saga to come to a conclusion.
I'd love to see Dirk and Melo fight and time how long it would take each of them to run like sissies back to the locker room.
yeh, i think the whole NBA fanbase are sick of this going on and on
Lol I don't blame J.R. Smith for getting in his face after getting clotheslined...anytime you take someone down like that you're asking for a fight. I'm still trying to figure out why Nate Robinsion, the smallest guy on the court, runs in throwing punches. If he doesn't throw that first punch then there is probably no fight to begin. Although if I was J.R. Smith I would have probably just laughed at his short ass. And that sucker punch by Melo was a wuss move.
what should happen to Isiah? surely he must be dealt with harshly. His comments seem to have started this whole thing, plus he told his players to break the feet of Bowen a while ago
Two games in a row that the Knicks are being beaten and Isiah sends a goon after someone on the opposing team. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm starting to understand why Malone threw that forearm into Isiah's skull.
December 18, 2006
Knicks’ Coach a Focus of Inquiry After Foul Ignited Garden Brawl
By HOWARD BECK
The N.B.A. is investigating whether Isiah Thomas, the president and coach of the Knicks, ordered a hard foul that touched off a brawl with the Denver Nuggets on Saturday night at Madison Square Garden, several people involved in the investigation said yesterday.
The Nuggets, according to those people, are pointing to an exchange between Thomas and Carmelo Anthony — part of which was captured by the MSG Network — that seemed to convey a threat. None of the people who spoke about the exchange wanted to be identified because the investigation was continuing.
Ten players were ejected after the fight, which started when Mardy Collins, a Knicks rookie, clobbered J. R. Smith of the Nuggets as he was driving for a basket. Some of these players, and possibly Thomas, are expected to receive suspensions today once the league reviews the MSG tape and interviews players, coaches and security personnel. There is no known N.B.A. precedent for punishing a coach for instigating a fight.
With 1 minute 32 seconds left in the game, the MSG broadcast focused on Thomas while Denver’s Marcus Camby shot free throws. The Nuggets were leading by 117-100. Thomas, standing on the sideline, his arms folded and his jaw tight, bites his lower lip and then starts talking to a Nuggets player. The player is not in the camera shot, but the broadcaster Mike Breen notes that Thomas is talking to Anthony.
There is no audio of Thomas, but he appears to say: “Hey, don’t go to the basket right now. It wouldn’t be nice.” Seconds later, Thomas s his head, holds out his right palm and, with a slight smile, adds, “Just letting you know.”
The implication was that any Nuggets player who did might get fouled hard. With 1:15 to play, and the Knicks trailing by 119-100, that is exactly what happened.
The broadcast did not capture the entire exchange between Thomas and Anthony, however, as the network toggled between cameras. Thomas also told Anthony, the N.B.A.’s leading scorer and one of its premier players, that he “shouldn’t be in the game right now,” because the score was lopsided and the Knicks had removed most of their starters, according to an associate who spoke with Thomas yesterday. That message was not intended as a threat, the associate said, but, by adding, “It wouldn’t be nice,” the message was intended as a plea not to unnecessarily embarrass the Knicks further. The associate was not authorized to speak on Thomas’s behalf and therefore spoke on condition of anonymity.
Calvin Andrews, Anthony’s agent, confirmed last night that Thomas had told Anthony to stay away from the area under the basket. Andrews indicated that Anthony gave that account to National Basketball Association officials earlier yesterday. Thomas also spoke to league officials. The issue for N.B.A. officials is how to interpret Thomas’s words, and his intent. Was Thomas merely advising a young star that he should not embarrass the Knicks by running up the score? Or was he issuing a warning?
After the game — but before Thomas’s comments came to light — Thomas gave reporters his account of that same conversation with Anthony.
“I just said to him: ‘You’re up 19 with a minute and a half to go. You and Camby really shouldn’t be in the game right now,’ ” Thomas said. “We had surrendered. And those guys shouldn’t have been in the game at that time. They were sticking it to us pretty good. They were having their way with us pretty good. I think J. R. Smith had just made one dunk where he reverses it and spins in the air. I thought that Mardy didn’t want to have our home crowd see that again and he fouled him.”
The Knicks were off yesterday, and team officials declined to comment on the incident or Thomas’s actions. Neither James L. Dolan, the chairman of Madison Square Garden, which owns the Knicks; nor Steve Mills, the Garden president, will be commenting on the matter, a company spokesman said.
“Isiah will address any questions about it tomorrow,” the spokesman, Barry Watkins, said.
This was already a perilous time for Thomas, who has guided the Knicks as the team president since Dec. 22, 2003. In June, Thomas was ordered by Dolan to coach the team and was given a one-year ultimatum — to show progress or be dismissed as coach and president. Four days before the brawl, Dolan said that Thomas “absolutely” had the entire season to save his job. But Dolan also said that the progress to date was insufficient. The Knicks have won only 9 of their first 26 games.
As the losses have mounted, Thomas has occasionally lashed out at opponents and the Knicks’ fans. On Nov. 4, Thomas criticized the Indiana Pacers for celebrating too much in the final minutes of a victory in the Knicks’ home opener. The next week, Thomas took issue with Bruce Bowen of the San Antonio Spurs, accusing him of dangerous defensive tactics that led to a sprained ankle by the Knicks’ Steve Francis. When the teams played again that week, and Bowen used the same tactic, Thomas had to be restrained from going after him. Thomas was also heard shouting to his players, telling them to “Break his feet,” referring to Bowen. Eight days later, Thomas was ejected from a home game against Boston for yelling at the referees. It is unclear whether the fight, and Thomas’s possible role in it, will impact Dolan’s thinking.
There is little ambiguity about the fight itself. It was the ugliest scene on an N.B.A. court since November 2004, when a brawl between the Indiana Pacers and the Detroit Pistons spilled into the stands at the Palace of Auburn Hills. That infamous fight, which included players punching fans in both the stands and on the court, caused the league to ins ute rules for player and fan conduct and to ins ute harsher penalties for players who cross the line.
No fans were involved in Saturday’s melee, although two players — Denver’s Smith and the Knicks’ Nate Robinson — fell into the first row of baseline seats as they traded blows. The biggest blow was landed by Anthony, who — after the fight had appeared to settle down — walked up to Collins and punched him in the face.
Based on past N.B.A. actions, it seems likely that Anthony will be suspended for at least 5 to 10 games. Lengthy suspensions will also likely be given to Smith and Robinson. Collins will probably be suspended at least two games. The Knicks’ Jared Jeffries initially tried to play peacemaker, but he could draw a suspension — for chasing Anthony down the court after Anthony punched Collins. Jeffries tripped, got up and started toward Anthony again, but was held back by the Knicks assistant Mark Aguirre, among others.
Two other players could be suspended for leaving the bench area. Under N.B.A. rules, any player who is not in the game must stay by the bench when a fight occurs. If a player crosses the sideline onto the court, he is automatically suspended. In the videotape, the Knicks’ Jerome James can be seen walking onto the court before a team staff member holds him back. At the end of the melee, the Nuggets’ Nenê — who also was not in the game — can be seen tussling with Collins.
“We’re going to review the incident in its entirety,” Tim Frank, an N.B.A. spokesman, said yesterday afternoon. “Until then, it would not be appropriate for us to comment.”
Liz Robbins contributed reporting.
from that article
looks like thomas could be in DEEP TROUBLE and could get most of the punishment
isaiah Thomas is such a sore loser.
he shld also be suspended about his statements to opponents, about his playing tactics("break Bowen's legs"),and shld be given a dose of his own medicine-A WARNING just like what he did to Bowen, otherwise another BASKETBRAWL like this might happen again.
JR Smith wasn't really fouled that hard, the dude just prevented him from going for another reverse slam.
JR Smith got in the dude's face and some knick dude came flying in there and tackled him.
Then, it was basically over and Melo through a haymaker.
That was basically it. Isiah didn't do jack. He didn't order nothing. Some of you take crap to the extreme and try to find something within something that is really not there or it doesn't even matter.
Typical Spurs fans.
Sometimes I wish the Spurs would actually stop somebody from posterizing Duncan once in awhile.
You are such a ing idiot... #1 - Mardy Collins is from Temple where I'm sure he learned the art of a hard foul from Chaney. #2 - If you didn't learn from the Bruce Bown incident, this is exactly the type of thing Isiah would order... "the dude just prevented him from going for another reverse slam" - do you sound like a jackass on purpose? I don't understand how you can think that when a player goes for another's neck on a fastbreak, it is simply preventing a spectacular dunk. #3 - If Isiah's iness isn't evident, just look how Nate Robinson's (or "some knick dude" as you call him) reputation has changed from the darling 5'7" slam dunk champ and popular U of Washington guard to a little thug in a matter of months.
the steven a smith interview on sportscenter tonight was interesting - he said Karl may have left the starters in so long to rub it in isiah's face for LB - he said NC alumni are all up in arms about how LB was dismissed. interesting conspiracy theory if nothing else.
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