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the remainder of the season
You are an idiot if you think Isiah didn't order the original foul.
How do you explain this ..
There is no audio of Thomas, but he appears to say: “Hey, don’t go to the basket right now. It wouldn’t be nice.” Seconds later, Thomas s his head, holds out his right palm and, with a slight smile, adds, “Just letting you know.”
It's clear as day when you see the video tape that's what he said. So what's an explanation for it besides that he told his players to take down anyone going to the basket?
the remainder of the season
told you so
watch his postgame comments! he seems as nervous and as guilty as he can be
he is a punk coach and i hope he gets fired and ridiculed by the league
time for Knicks owner to fire Thomas and hire Carlesimo
I gotta admit, I was skeptical of the league being able to pin anything in Isiah. Then I saw the video footage. BUSTED LIKE A MOTHER ER. Its so obvious by his body language and by what he said that he knew what was coming.
could you please provide the link to the video footage?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...ris&id=2700476
NEW YORK -- Stu Jackson was not a happy man when I reached him by cell phone Sunday morning, which means it'll be a Black Monday for Carmelo Anthony, Nate Robinson, J.R. Smith and a whole bunch of others.
"We're taking this very seriously," Jackson told ESPN.com, giving an early indication that he won't be handing out garden-variety punishments to the Knicks and the Nuggets for their Saturday night fight.
Penalties are expected to be announced Monday, and expect Jackson to come down hard, not because this was as bad of a fight as the one at the Palace of Auburn Hills just over two years ago, which it wasn't, but because it reminded everybody of the Palace brawl.
Three or four years ago this type of altercation would have been written off with a bunch of one- to four-game suspensions, but the game changed after Ron Artest went into the stands and Jermaine O'Neal slugged a fan who came onto the court. And with these types of events now being viewed through a post-Palace prism, with the NBA still reeling from such a major black eye, and with this fight having taken place right in David Stern's backyard, the smart money says the punishments are going to raise some eyebrows.
Here's an educated guess at how Jackson will rule:
Anthony will get hit the hardest for his sucker punch that decked Mardy Collins, a haymaker that could have become a secondary flash point that turned this into an even bigger brawl. Prediction: 8 games.
Robinson actually did provide the flash point that turned this from an altercation to a fight, running into the fray and grappling with J.R. Smith in a tussle that nearly spilled into the first row of seats. Prediction: 6 games.
Smith had every right to get up and confront Mardy Collins after the hard foul, but he had no right to throw a punch at Robinson just before the two were separated. Prediction: 3 games.
Jared Jeffries was held back at midcourt from going after Anthony, who backpedaled away after slugging Collins. But Jeffries was ready to take this fight to an even more chaotic level, and they'll get him for intent on this one. Prediction: 1 game.
Collins' foul was so egregiously flagrant, he stands a better than fair chance of being hit with more than the standard one-game suspension for a flagrant category 2 foul. He also committed a similar foul the previous night in Indiana in the waning moments of another lopsided loss. Prediction: 2 games.
Jerome James of the Knicks and Nene of the Nuggets appeared to leave the bench area during the fight, a well-established no-no. Prediction: 1 game each.
Isiah Thomas is the trickiest call of the bunch, and a lot will depend on what he tells Jackson -- and what Anthony tells Jackson -- over the phone. Anthony says Thomas, who was angry that the Nuggets were still playing four starters despite being up 19 with under 2 minutes left, told him a minute or so before the brawl that he should stay out of the paint -- pretty much a warning that a hard foul was coming. That would make Thomas culpable for helping incite the brawl, and instigators never get off lightly with Stu and his boss, David Stern. Prediction: 3 games.
Chris Sheridan covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.
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IMO this prediction is pretty accurate and also think the call on Isah is tricky. but that is the point where I have a different view.
IMO Isiah either goes free or he will get a much longer suspension.
why?
if it can be proved that Isah somehow ordered the brutal foul (and many evidences point that direction) it means a very serious delinquency, not only breaking the rules of the league, or of sportmanship.
this would IMO have to lead to much more than just a 3 games suspension.
but if it can't be proved, that Isah ordered the foul, he of course can't be suspended, not even for a single game.
To me, the main persons to blame are :
Isiah Thomas: When you're a coach you can't ask a player to do a hard foul that risks to injure a player. He should be waived for his at ude and for the whole Knicks fiasco.
Nate Robinson : This guy is maybe the dumbest player in the league. He is the guy who has started the brawl by his acts. Evne when he plays or when he does a dunk contest, he seems to be dumb.
Carmelo Anthony : coward and stupid. He should have gone to college.
BTW, an interesting read about dumbass robinson :
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...p-404884c.html
Little Nate can spell big trouble
BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Nate Robinson is, in his humble opinion, "Nate the Great."
And then there was the embarrassing moment three weeks ago when he tried to bounce the ball off the floor and dunk it against the Cleveland Cavaliers, a play that was ruled a travel and made the Knicks look like an undisciplined group of street-ballers.
Robinson's explanation was as peculiar as his decision to attempt the dunk in the first place.
"That's why they call me Spontaneous Nate," he said.
Spontaneous, yes. Great? Not quite. And now Robinson has a new nickname: Instigator. His role in Saturday's Knicks-Nuggets fight cannot be underestimated. Instead of pulling Mardy Collins away from J.R. Smith and allowing the referees to intervene, Robinson went after Smith and ended up fighting with the Denver guard and spilling into the front row.
Robinson and Carmelo Anthony figure to receive lengthy suspensions because both were responsible for escalating the situation.
After the game, Robinson said he did not regret his actions and made the stunning revelation that Collins' flagrant takedown was not only "a good, clean hard foul" but that it was premeditated.
"For what they did as in keeping guys in, I knew a foul was going to come," Robinson said Saturday. "A hard one because we're not going to let guys keep dunking when they're up 20 and they have their starters in. It was a good clean hard foul. After that, it went downhill from there."
Robinson later added: "They wanted to embarrass us. It was a slap in the face to us as a team and a franchise and we weren't going to let that happen."
Clearly, Robinson forgot what he did against Cleveland or what he said after the game upon hearing that Isiah Thomas told the media that Robinson would not try that dunk again. Robinson agreed but quickly added he would try it only if the Knicks are "ahead by 20."
Since Robinson joined the Knicks last season as a throw-in in the Kurt Thomas-Quentin Richardson trade, he has become a fan favorite because of his incredible athletic ability. Many of the Knicks' marketing campaigns involve Robinson. Last week, the Knicks handed out life-sized posters of the diminutive second-year player. Robinson's popularity soared last year when the 5-9 guard won the slam dunk contest during All-Star Weekend in Houston and peaked again at the Garden this season when he blocked a shot from Yao Ming.
But to teammates and coaches he also can be the annoying little brother who talks too much and can't control his emotions. Larry Brown tried to get Robinson sent to the Developmental League last season, only to be rebuffed by management.
Before the Knicks' home opener last month, MSG Network recorded Robinson outside the locker room posing and dancing for the cameras. Teammates tried to stop him but Robinson continued dancing. Robinson also has earned a reputation as a bench jockey who trash-talks to players on the floor. He also has been criticized by teammates for, ironically enough, showboating.
Last year, Robinson was involved in two fights with teammates. He went after Jerome James with a broom during a practice and then had to be separated from fighting Malik Rose in the shower. The shower fight prompted a veteran teammate to give Robinson another nickname.
"That's just Nate," the Knick said. "He's a jerk."
December 18, 2006
Sports of The Times
Look for a Mastermind in the Shadow of a Melee
By SELENA ROBERTS
It is testimony to Isiah Thomas’s narcissistic powers of manipulation to witness the Knicks blithely consume his vigilante coaching philosophy.
As dupes of Thomas’s deliverance, the players believed they were fighting to save their face Saturday night, but they were fighting to save his.
It is proof of Thomas’s seductive communication skills that the Knicks still circle him like a campfire to hear him rationalize his childhood survivor tales from Chicago’s mean streets as an excuse to wrest revenge on Main Street.
In front of holiday-happy children at the World’s Most Famous Arena, the lemming in Mardy Collins didn’t viciously clothesline Nuggets guard J. R. Smith as payback for a fancy dunk that embarrassed the Knicks, but as retribution for a humiliating blowout of Thomas.
There are no double-digit losses to Thomas. Just scores to settle.
“Hey, don’t go to the basket right now,” Thomas appears to say to Denver’s Carmelo Anthony with 1 minute 32 seconds left in another home-court rout of the Knicks.
Seventeen seconds later, Collins threw Smith down — as he drove through the paint. And a melee was on. In the mix of fists thrown by several players, including Anthony, and while Smith and Nate Robinson wrestled in the laps of first-row fans, Thomas remained unruffled in his Fifth Avenue threads, untouched by a fight that he all but instigated.
That’s the way it is with instigators. Others were bloodied for Thomas in Madison Square Garden’s twist on “The Sopranos.”
But as Commissioner David Stern reviews the footage of the Knicks-Nuggets brawl in the N.B.A.’s post-Palace disciplinary era, as he deliberates what may be understandably harsh penalties for player conduct, he should also punish Thomas for a tacit and direct pattern of bounty hunting.
Thomas doesn’t take hits; he orders them.
He didn’t fault his inept preparedness or his players’ passive performance for the Knicks’ disastrous home opener against the Pacers in early November, but he did issue a vengeful warning to an opponent he felt had dunked on his team’s misery.
“We’ll have a long memory,” Thomas said. “And one day, we’ll be the team that’s on top, doing the kicking and the stepping.” He added, “We’ll be pretty unforgiving.”
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Perhaps “the top” was a stretch to Thomas’s impatience. On Friday night at Indiana, with the Knicks searching for crawl space in the Eastern Conference, Collins — the same player who collared Smith — committed a flagrant foul against the Pacers.
The Knicks were down by 16 with less than two minutes left in the game. Where is the Knicks’ we’re-not-going-to-take-this spirit in the first quarter or the second or the third? To watch the Knicks in a blowout is to see a team strut without any feathers.
Is any team more defiant after 20-point defeats? Does any team have more prac ioners of false bravado?
Collins isn’t the only takedown artist on the team, but he makes for an easy go-to ruffian for Thomas. He is a rookie and an educated enforcer. Collins played for Temple when Coach John Chaney once ordered a goon to take out the compe ion.
Ruthlessness is a quality Thomas embraces. He once set picks with devilish elbows as the championship ringleader of the Detroit Bad Boys. Yet, somehow, he didn’t appreciate the aggressive defense Bruce Bowen played while a guarding jump shot against the Knicks in a mid-November game.
In an unhinged moment, Thomas angrily confronted Bowen from the sideline, then urged his team to simply break the feet of Bowen, the Spurs’ fabled defender.
“Break his neck,” that’s what Bowen said he heard.
Why isn’t dirty turnabout fair play with Thomas? With his career at a fragile win-or-else pivot point, with his team mired in frustrating inconsistency, with his insecurity on alert, he absorbs every loss as a personal slight and perceives every slight as a personal affront.
Every defeat is a referendum on him. For Thomas to take the blame for a blowout is to be accountable for his failures. Every player’s miscue is a reflection on his roster assemblage. For Thomas to scold a star over a mistake is to question his own decisions. Every critic is a threat. For Thomas to be shown up by Gregg Popovich’s Spurs or George Karl’s Nuggets is to have Larry Brown’s pals rub the past in his face.
This is the paranoia of perception — and it’s a distraction. Thomas isn’t coaching a game as much as he is strategizing his image. How does he look in this win or that loss?
Thomas has gone into his West Side of Chicago mode — punch, fight, win — even though he left for the N.B.A. luxury life almost three decades ago. And he has fallen back on his street shtick — get them before they get you — even though he has been a self-saboteur at the Garden.
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The Knicks’ 9-17 record is a product of Thomas. Not of the referees who are out to get Eddy Curry, as Thomas has said. Not of the hostile Garden fans who undercut the Knicks’ confidence, as Thomas has complained.
In less than three years, Thomas has spent more than $400 million for a team that has yet to validate him as the Knicks’ president and coach. Anyone who illuminates this math is to be crushed by Thomas.
He has the gullible hit men to do it. Only Stern can stop him.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...p-404847c.html
Blame Isiah for brawl by Mike Lupica
Try he may, but Thomas can't laugh off
reports he threatened Nuggets' star
Isiah Thomas blames the Nuggets for Saturday night's ugly brawl.
Here is Isiah Thomas on Saturday night, his Knicks being run out of the Garden and out onto Eighth Ave. again, this time by the Denver Nuggets.
Here is Thomas with a minute and 32 seconds left, right before the stupid playground fight between the Knicks and Nuggets is about to start, and he is doing all he has really done since coming to this city: smiling and talking. He can't win the game. He just talks one.
On the television broadcast of the game, announcer Mike Breen wonders why Thomas is smiling, then points out that the coach of the Knicks is talking to Denver's Carmelo Anthony, who has been the best player on the court all night, an attraction who nearly sold out the Garden for a change, something Thomas' Knicks cannot legitimately do on their own.
According to published reports, confirmed for me yesterday by somebody from the Nuggets, Anthony told his coaches after the game that Thomas was telling him he better "stay out of the paint." And that he, Anthony, should tell his teammates to stay out of the paint. In basketball, that means stay away from the basket, because if you go near the basket, somebody is going to foul you and foul you hard.
If Thomas said it, it is the same as a threat, and it means that when David Stern, the NBA commissioner, starts handing out suspensions to the Knicks and Nuggets for the ugly scene at the Garden on Saturday night, Isiah Thomas should be first in line.
Stern can do something today that James Dolan, Thomas' boss, is unwilling to do, which means tell Thomas to go away, even if it is for only a few games, even if it will probably help the Knicks, since it turns out Thomas is about as good coaching this Knicks team as he was assembling it.
Carmelo Anthony might have finished everything Saturday night by throwing a sucker-punch at Mardy Collins when the whole thing, which had already spilled into the second row of seats, should have been over. The real suckers are people who believe Anthony is the headline here because he was the headliner of the game, the leading scorer in the league. This incident doesn't come close to playing out the way it does if Collins doesn't throw down Denver's J.R. Smith the way he does with 1:15 left, if Nate Robinson of the Knicks, barking away, doesn't then try to punk everybody in sight.
If what Anthony told the Nuggets is true - and why would he make it up? - then the coach of the Knicks is the one who put everything in motion Saturday night, like a baseball manager telling his pitcher to throw at somebody.
The night before, Collins had come off the bench to commit a flagrant foul as the Knicks were getting blown out in Indianapolis. Now Thomas puts him into this game with just over two minutes to go, and then a half-minute later, Thomas is talking and talking to Anthony while Marcus Camby is shooting free throws. Then Collins is bringing down Smith from behind the way football safeties bring down wide receivers in the open field.
Smith gets up, good and hot at being cheap-shooted this way. Right away, Robinson is on him, as if Smith was the one who had committed the flagrant foul. Then the two of them are flying into the stands, sending patrons and photographers flying. You wonder how James Dolan would feel about all this if the action had happened on the other side of the basket, if Robinson and Smith had ended up in Dolan's lap, or his wife's.
But again: According to the coach of the Knicks, this was Denver's fault. They were running up the score, as if that justifies the shot Collins gave Smith. They had their best players on the court when they were ahead 20 points in the end. Maybe that is why there was not a single sentence of accountability from Thomas afterward. But, then, there never is.
He's got the highest payroll in the league, the Knicks have lost 150 games since he took over running the team three years ago, the current record is 9-17, the team is drawing its smallest crowds in over a decade. No matter. He never takes any blame, and Dolan never assigns any, and when Thomas gets to the interview room, he points a finger at the other team and says, They did it!
"We had surrendered," Thomas says of the incident later, still smiling afterward, laughing one time.
All season long, the Knicks lose, and then Thomas talks about how hard they fought afterward. Now he tries to make surrender sound heroic. He doesn't just talk, he talks out of both sides of his mouth.
Thomas will deny everything today. He would deny the record, if he could. He will talk about how the old Knicks used to get into fights all the time. They sure did. And most of the time it cost them big. At least those teams, in the '90s, fought for the le, not to save face on another lost night at the Garden.
"They're embarrassing us," Thomas kept saying in the fourth quarter, according to his own guys. "They're embarrassing us."
The Knicks, Isiah Thomas' Knicks, don't need the other team to do that. They do it to themselves, and to the Garden, all the time.
Melo did go to college.
I'm tired of everyone calling it a sucker punch - Melo takes 3 seconds to run out of the grasp of his coaches and then takes a face-to-face punch/slap... sucker punches are more blind-sided hits... he shouldn't have run away like that, but who wouldn't be scared with Jared Jefferies coming after you? Oh, wait...
My bad, maybe he should have stayed more than one year in college.
Melo shouldn't have gone in the brawl just to give a punch to a guy. If he thought that what Collins has done deserve a fight, he should have fight him as a man instead of giving him a cheap shot and running away just after.
that Nate Robinson is like an annoying little poodle . I would have picked his ass up and dunked him in the basket.
He was the first to escalate this .
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/index
Click on the link under the main picture that says, "Warns Melo".
December 18, 2006
Anthony Punches Hole in a Rebuilt Reputation
By LIZ ROBBINS
Carmelo Anthony wanted to be a first-time All-Star this season, and was playing like an M.V.P. contender.
Anthony, the Denver Nuggets’ fourth-year forward, wanted to be equal to his draft classmates LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, and was outshining them this season by leading the N.B.A. in scoring.
He was the best player on the United States men’s basketball team at the world championship last summer, when he remade his image on the court.
And after spending $1.5 million to open a youth center with his name on it in Baltimore on Thursday, Anthony, 22, appeared to have the N.B.A. in the palm of his hand.
But with one punch Saturday night, he might have undone all the good he had created.
Anthony is expected to be suspended today for his role in a brawl at Madison Square Garden in which 10 players were ejected. Anthony sucker-punched the Knicks’ Mardy Collins in retaliation for Collins’s flagrant foul on J. R. Smith.
“Last night’s altercation with the Knicks escalated further than it should have,” Anthony said in a statement. “I take full responsibility for my actions in the matter. In the heat of the moment, I let my emotions get the best of me. I apologize to the fans, the Denver Nuggets, the N.B.A., my mother and my family for the embarrassment I have caused them.”
The N.B.A. was also investigating the role of Knicks Coach Isiah Thomas, who might have helped establish the contentious atmosphere by ordering a flagrant foul.
In a telephone interview last night, Anthony’s agent, Calvin Andrews, confirmed reports that Anthony told league officials that Thomas, in an on-court conversation 17 seconds before the incident, had warned Anthony not to take the ball to the basket.
A punch warrants an automatic one-game suspension, but judging by the stringent standards that Commissioner David Stern has imposed on players the last two seasons, Anthony’s suspension will be far longer. A long suspension for Anthony could have a devastating effect on the Nuggets (13-9), currently in seventh place in the Western Conference.
For a day, Denver had to put aside efforts to acquire 76ers guard Allen Iverson, as they participated in the league’s investigation.
“He’s been laying low, in the house, very quiet,” Andrews said of Anthony. “He knows it was not the right move, that he must deal with it and face it.”
In his statement, Anthony also extended his remorse to Collins. “I also want to make a personal apology to Mardy Collins and his family,” he said. “My actions were inexcusable, and I am sorry for making this an even more embarrassing situation.”
That Anthony was still in a game with Denver leading by 19 late in the fourth quarter clearly upset Thomas, and he admitted telling that to Anthony as the fight broke up.
Thomas tried to put the onus on Nuggets Coach George Karl. The two had verbally sparred last summer over how Thomas had treated Larry Brown, a close friend of Karl’s who was fired by the Knicks in June.
Karl was not available to comment yesterday.
After the game, which Denver won, 123-100, Karl told reporters: “We were conservative and subs uted conservatively in the second half. Sometimes you just have to finish the game with the guys on the court.”
The Nuggets had been guilty of blowing three double-digit leads in the fourth quarter this season, including against the Knicks. Denver had a 12-point lead early in the quarter of the Knicks’ 109-107 victory on Nov. 8.
Anthony’s league-leading 31.6 points a game have come efficiently. He is averaging 37.5 minutes and shooting 50.3 percent from the floor while raising his assists to a career-high 4.1 a game.
Over the past two years, Anthony has tried to overcome missteps that have had public ramifications. In 2004, he appeared in a controversial video that threatened those who inform the police about criminal activity.
He was also caught on the team plane with marijuana in his backpack that belonged to a friend. On the day he signed his five-year, $80 million contract this past July, the police found marijuana in his car, which was being driven by another friend.
In an October interview, Anthony insisted that he had matured on and off the court. “You learn from mistakes,” he said.
Anthony had produced a crisp do entary-type commercial showing how hard he works off the court and the time he spends doing community service. They are genuine pursuits, according to those closest to him and several league officials.
“What makes this all the more painful is that this was one of the most important weeks of my life,” Anthony said in his statement. “I just realized one of my biggest dreams when we opened the Youth Center in Baltimore that bears my name. To see the community excited and hundreds of kids smiling was an incredible feeling. Now the thought of thousands of kids seeing this incident on TV pains me. This is not the example I want to set.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/18/sp...gewanted=print
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"This is not the example I want to set"
Nobody forced you, punk. Go back to Baltimore and hang out with your criminal/gangtsa friends.
After going to my regular hockey site, I watch NBA brawls and laugh hysterically. (except the Palace, because it went to the stands, and just got progressively worse...)
Weak brawl. The lowest form of weak. Weak to the nth power.
Here are some brawls.
1984 Quebec Nordiques vs Montreal Canadians
Greatest Brawl...EVER! 1987 World Juniors, Canada vs Russia
Avs vs Wings. nuff said (wish it wasnt a production, just the game)
Caps vs Thrashers 06 (recent, but good)
Sens vs Flyers (modern classic)
I don't know....I think baseball fights are pretty weak too....could be a tie.
although the potential of bats being used is always there.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...awl/index.html
Model of stupidity
Lengthy suspensions should follow senseless brawl
Posted: Sunday December 17, 2006 12:18AM; Updated: Sunday December 17, 2006 12:59AM
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Nate Robinson, left, and J.R. Smith are likely facing multi-game suspensions for their role in Saturday night's brawl.
Nate Robinson, left, and J.R. Smith are likely facing multi-game suspensions for their role in Saturday night's brawl.
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Embarrassment. Truly an embarrassment.
In the past two years, the NBA has gone to great lengths to clean up the thug image that permeated the league in the aftermath of the ugly brawl in Detroit. To its credit, the league has enjoyed remarkable success following arguably the worst moment in its history. They have replaced the images of player-on-fan violence that were burned in our memories with positive ones. Even Ron Artest, the principal antagonist in that disaster, has seemingly been rehabilitated.
Now we have this. Fresh visuals. Just what David Stern was hoping for.
What a joke. I understand protecting your teammates; it's an unwritten code in all of sports that you defend your own. That's what Stephen Jackson thought he was doing. Look at how well that worked out for him. There is protecting and then there is being stupid. Saturday night was a model of stupidity.
Stern needs to come down with an iron fist on this one. For Mardy Collins (whose flagrant foul, while deserved, could have been a lot worse) gets five games. Nate Robinson, whose immaturity rivals that of most teenagers, gets 15. J.R. Smith, Nate's partner in the playpen, gets the same. Carmelo Anthony, the NBA's scoring leader and whose name will be associated with this night for the rest of his career, gets 30. Too much? Jermaine O'Neal got that and he hit a fan charging the floor. 'Melo just poured fuel on the fire. And if Isiah Thomas even insinuated any member of the Knicks should take matters into their own hands, well, Stern should come down on him too. Hey, it's just another shovel full of dirt on his grave anyways.
There is no middle ground here, no justifying these juvenile actions. You want to know why parents don't bring their kids to games? See how that brawl spilled into the first row? Maybe because parents think there is a danger of an errant fist winding up in their kids face. You want to make things better? Put the league on notice, let everyone know that no deed goes unpunished. Make the price of violence so heavy no one wants to pay it. Only then will you see real results.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...awl/index.html
Sounds like 30 would be harsh for Melo but ....like they say..You act like an IDIOT you get treated like an IDIOT
no ALLSTAR here
Wow, that guy wants to throw the book at him. 30 games is way overboard. 15 for Melo, 10 for Nate, 5 apiece for Smith and Collins, and Isiah should be sentenced to coaching the Knicks for the rest of the year.
Wow. Melo, watch and learn.
I've always loved that Red Wings-Avs one (for some reason, I remember seeing that live) and hadn't seen it in so long.
Thanks.
Last edited by Johnny_Blaze_47; 12-18-2006 at 11:32 AM.
"way overboard"
nope, these ballas haven't gotten the NBA msg of the last 2 years that the "NBA Cares" about NOT having dominantly urban/gangsta/punk image. The more penalty the better. Even if these specific mofo's don't have personal histories of brawling, the recent NBA does, with world-wide notoriety, and the NBA wants it to stop.
ESPN's Chris Sheridan (who usually is a good guesser) predicts 8 of Melo, 6 for Nate, 3 for Smith, 2 for Collins, 1 for Jeffries and 3 for Isiah. And one for Nene and JJames for leaving the bench.
I'm leaning toward more for Collins because of this:
Collins' foul was so egregiously flagrant, he stands a better than fair chance of being hit with more than the standard one-game suspension for a flagrant category 2 foul. He also committed a similar foul the previous night in Indiana in the waning moments of another lopsided loss.
If Melo gets anywhere near thirty games that would be a travesty, it should be twelve games max, probably between six and twelve...
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