Official Brawl Thread (no need to start more)

[Kori Ellis]

I don't think it will be over 12 games because then it can go to arbitration.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I don't think it will be over 12 games because then it can go to arbitration.

Absolutely.

[MosesGuthrie]

I would like to see Isiah get something for this if he in fact helped instigate this. Obviously there is no proof that he told Collins to take him out but given his history and the nature in which this happened.....I would be almost positive he did.

[inagra]

hockey fights = men fighting
basketball fights = pussies

[nkdlunch]

how can u compare hockey fights w/basketball.

o? the NHL allows fights, NBA doesn't how can you compare both?

[Kermit]

15 for melo
10 nate
10 j.r.
6 collins
4 jefferies

stern is pissed.

[Spurminator]

how can u compare hockey fights w/basketball.

Political Forum.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

screw the nba and stern

Melo gets 15, Jr and Nate 10

Jeffries 4

Collins - 6

and Isiah, nothing

stupid stern, what a ...

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Players union wont let this go

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

screw the nba and stern

Melo gets 15, Jr and Nate 10

Jeffries 4

Collins - 6

and Isiah, nothing

stupid stern, what a ...

You're a homer. That's it.

BTW, Stern on a conference call on ESPN.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

yeh, sure.

Look at past suspensions and tell me its fair.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Dang, I was close. Surprised they came down on Smith as hard as they did on Nate. Nate was the firestarter in that whole mess.

[Kermit]

yeh, sure.

Look at past suspensions and tell me its fair.

it's the first major incident after the palace. i'd say it's pretty fair.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

ur a freakin idiot if u think Thomas should go unpunished

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

yeh, sure.

Look at past suspensions and tell me its fair.

The NBA will over-punish to eliminate violence.

Stern just said as much.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

ur a freakin idiot if u think Thomas should go unpunished

I don't think Thomas should go unpunished. Give it some time since the video hit the media yesterday.

[ducks]

yeh, sure.

Look at past suspensions and tell me its fair.

it is not drolling last year got 5 games
this is so wrong
10 at the most not 15
look in the nba thread I posted the article about it

[VaSpursFan]

ur a freakin idiot if u think Thomas should go unpunished

stern just said no coaches will be punised. that's why there were fines to the teams, as a catch-all for all the stuff they couldn't prove.

[MosesGuthrie]

yeh, sure.

Look at past suspensions and tell me its fair.

Like you would think any suspension of a Nugget was fair.

[wildbill2u]

sportsmanship and running up the score is a different matter.

i do believe in sportsmanship, but there is nothing wrong in running up the score, it happens in most other sport. i see no reason why bball is any different.

College Football coaches are the worst offenders in running up the score because of the way the BSC bowls and national rankings are done. We all know certain teams do it as a regular part of their game.

Mac Brown of Texas is one of the coaches I respect for not deliberately running up the score on a beaten opponent. If he gets a big lead against an overmatched team, he'll keep putting in reserves until he's at the end of the bench.

Unfortunately, what he has at the end of the bench may be some super sophs and freshmen who are dying to get in a game and show what they can do. But at least he makes the gesture.

[MosesGuthrie]

Good point WildBill. Sadly with a lot of younger pro players (and fans for that matter) don't care about things like that. Its all about "I gots ta git mine" and they are too stupid to know that respect doesn't equal fear. Punks like Melo and Nate Robinson are prime examples.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

December 18, 2006
TV Sports
During a Brawl, Words of Disgust and Indifference
By RICHARD SANDOMIR

The brawl between the Knicks and the Denver Nuggets that led to the ejections of all 10 players on the court was easy to condemn. On MSG Network on Saturday night, the Knicks’ play-by-play announcer, Mike Breen, was so critical that he sounded pained by the players’ roles in the miniriot.

He suggested that Knicks Coach Isiah Thomas had “more than bad basketball to talk to his team about.”

“Talk about composure,” Breen said. “And poise.”

Walt Frazier, Breen’s partner, had as much time and as many openings to register outrage, but he offered none. To listen to Frazier’s words and tone, you’d think that nothing especially unusual had occurred; he even chuckled about the fines and suspensions that were certain to be imposed.

Breen did precisely what he had to do. He repeatedly scorned the Knicks’ Mardy Collins for the flagrant foul he committed on J. R. Smith, the play that started the melee. He voiced concern at how close the brawling had come to fans on a night when many youngsters were at Madison Square Garden. He fulminated about the combatants’ “horrible decision-making,” but he showed enough sense to say that maybe not all were guilty.

His words showed his dismay:

“This is turning into some kind of disaster.”

“Absolutely no excuse for Collins on a hard foul like that” and “a completely unnecessary and disgraceful foul.”

“Disgraceful for Carmelo Anthony to throw a punch like that and then go backing up.”

“Just a disgraceful showing by several individual players.”

“Just makes you sick to your stomach.”

“Another dismal evening at Madison Square Garden, and this one turned ugly not only from a basketball standpoint.”

“This night, another disaster at the Garden.”

In describing the action and providing opinion, Breen acted much as he did two years ago, when he was courtside for ESPN during the brawl between the Pacers and the Pistons at the Palace at Auburn Hills, Mich. The journalistic problem for ESPN that night was that its pregame and halftime crew, led by John Saunders, blamed the fans for the melee, not the players.

While Breen demonstrated his professionalism, Frazier, who survives at MSG because he is a Knicks hero, not a competent analyst, offered almost nothing. He was such a superfluous presence that he might have stayed home to study his thesaurus. He described Anthony’s punch as so loud you could (a) “hear it down here, folks” or (b) “throughout the arena.” He described how the roundhouse punch “cold- ed” Collins.

Through several replays, Frazier offered no opinion stronger than that “the only beneficiary of this folly will be the charities that the money will go to,” referring to the fines to be levied by the National Basketball Association. He then laughed after saying that the ejection of all 10 players on the court would “send a signal for how severe the penalties will be for this.”

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The only time he spoke out against a player was when he said that Collins had committed a flagrant foul the night before against Indiana (he failed to say that the Pacer involved was Maceo Baston). “Nothing we can do to defend Mardy Collins,” he said, with no passion in his voice. Maybe he was cogitating over how Mardy Collins rhymes with Lionel Hollins.

Frazier eventually blamed “all this bravado” for the fight and chuckled again when he said that punishment “in the pocket” would “teach them a lesson.” In the postgame program, Frazier leaned on his trademark childish rhyming, saying the Malice at the Palace, as the brawl in Auburn Hills, became known, was a lesson not learned by young players. Finally, but too late, he called the Garden incident a “disgrace.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/18/sp...ts&oref=slogin

[veronicamae]

OK I wasn't home to discuss this when it happened on Saturday....

because I was IN New York City's ESPNZone watching the Cowboys game - while the Knicks game was on the other big screen right next to it. i saw it unfold live right there in the city it took place in, just down the street (crazy!). the bar went CRAZY as it was happening. i wasn't paying attn to the Knicks game, since the Cowboys were on, and suddenly everyone was going OOOOOOH! OHHHHHH! OH !!!!!!!! OHHHHH! and we were like what what?! and turned to see it happening.

CRAZY!

Melo is an idiot for resparking everything, and deserves the suspension he got. talk about doing everything you can to screw your team's season. And if Isiah spent more time trying to coach his team into winning instead of coaching the other team's players, maybe ... well, you know.

[ShoogarBear]

Why is it that MLB can have five times as many brawls as the NBA, yet every time there's an NBA fight sportswriters fall all over themselves pronouncing the death knell of the league, but in baseball it's just "intense compe ion".

the US sports media.

[nkdlunch]

Why is it that MLB can have five times as many brawls as the NBA, yet every time there's an NBA fight sportswriters fall all over themselves pronouncing the death knell of the league, but in baseball it's just "intense compe ion".

the US sports media.

2 words:

Ron Artest