There are now 7 teams in the West that are probably better than the best team in the East.
Nice...then there are those of us who have Melo.Perhaps the most important fact lost in this shuffle is that AI is on a fantasy team that I inherited after my brother kicked a guy out of a league. It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas...
I need Kobe and Timmy to step it up!
What playoff push?
Philly went into a rebuilding mode. No single player (or even 2) they could get for Iverson could make them a conteder with the crappy team they have now.
As long as they carry Webber's contract they will be rebuilding imo (so at least 2 years); those draft picks and an expiring contract come in nicely.
Billy King is a bad GM but this trade is probably the best or close to the best he could get.
Philly is the one that was desperate-not the rest of the league.
Good point, however, in both 2001 and 2003 either Kobe or Shaq missed a significant number of games, making it possible for one player to get points without taking away from the other's average. (There was one year where I think the Hawks had 7-8 players all averaging in double figures, which was a record, but it was because of a lot of games missed between them all). I would be curious to know their averages in games where they both played.
There may be a similar situation this year since AI will play 14 games for Denver without Carmelo, so they may both end up with 30+ average PPG.
That's not a straightforward question to research, but nothing springs to mind.And when was the last time a team averaged 110 ppg with essentially two primary offensive weapons?
Man, the finals are gonna suck this year.
All I can say is I can't wait to see the Nuggets fail so I can say AI is overrated. Taking 25-30 shots a game to make your point average is pathetic.
"There is no such thing as bad chemistry" Signed Iverson and Stackhouse.
finally read all 5 pages and most comments seem to have an echo.
This is the worst thing that can happen for Melo, AI and Nuggets, in terms of timing. AI basically goes to this team as the lone superstar (for 14 games at least), the same setting as Philly, Denver will rely on AI's scoring, heavy touches, and dominating the ball. To AI, this will be nothing new, he has been doing this for 11 seasons with Philly. The only difference is he has an above average center and powerforward and decent bench players.
When Melo comes back there will be issues. We can equate an equation from AI and Melo's past there will be trouble. They both have been the go-to scorers, men who took the last shot for their teams, and relied on a lot of plays run for them. Melo believed this was his team, as it was for the past 3 seasons. AI comes in, starts to embrace the role of the leader, the scorer for all 14 games now. There will be an iden y crisis and a chemistry crisis.
If Melo doesn't get suspended, this wouldn't be an issue, however due to his punch, the whole dynamics change.
beno is a point guard now?
he seems to be more of a shot first point guard lately
My thought too.
It's scary.
Yes and no. AI would still carry most of the load. The Philly model was to pair him with a bigger guard who could shoot as well as distribute and handle the ball when he needed to.
But Udrih is not good enough to be a starter, and he's not worth JR Smith.
Chamberlain and West never did it. One year West averaged 30 and Wilt 27, but he only played 12 games.
Bird and McHale never did it.
West and Baylor did it, but in a year where Baylor only played 48 games because of injury, so it's not clear what they actually did together.
Adams and Woolridge never came close. The closest the Nuggets had was with Alex English and Kik Vandeweghe (when they wer high scoring and good), but they never did it.
Shaq and Kobe are the only ones who legitimately did it, and even then igames missed due to injury may have played a role.
Too bad he won't get the ball to go along with them.
Yeah. JR Smith won't be shooting 8 threes a game anymore. More like 2-4, i.e. every chance he gets.Too bad he won't get the ball to go along with them.
it is funny if ai went to the spurs no one would question the chemsitry but since he is going to another team in the west their will be chemsitry issues
like I said earlier if they are winning everyone will be happy
Excellent point about Dre. He's a bit overpaid but still very tradeable.I don't see Andre Miller fitting into Sixers rebulding process. They should trade him soon. Trade Miller to lakers for some expiring contracts and the western conference will turn into a nightmare.
If Philly is smart they will let King trade Dre for another contract that expires this summer or next, then fire King before the next draft.
(and hopefully not throw millions of dollars at Sam Presti)
Andre Miller on the Lakers would suck.
I didn't want AI to come to Dallas. Devin Harris is more of a pass first point guard than AI is. Point guards shouldn't be taking 25-30 shots per game. They have to run the offense and get others involved.
i like the nuggets for several reasons, i'm glad they got AI, i'll be rooting for them anytime they don't play the mavs...so will AI play as soon as Wednesday night against the Suns? dang, get him checked out and suited up, i'd love to see that matchup
Ask and ye shall receive.I would be curious to know their averages in games where they both played.
In the 60 games Shaq and Kobe played together in 2000-2001, these were their averages:
Shaq: 28.0
Kobe: 28.1
U are absolutely right.
Foye+Davis+Jaric+Griffin >>Dre+Smith+2 late first round pick imo.
Now it's time to trade KG and start rebuilding
I'd take AI in Dallas in a heartbeat if the Mavs didn't have to give up Harris or Howard to get him (which wasn't gonna happen).
Can't see how the Lakers get Miller without giving up young talent and an expiring contracts. It would cost them Farmar, or Bynum or maybe Kwame. Miller would be a good add for the Lakers though.
I will always roll my eyes at "Devin Harris > AI" arguments.
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