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Then I would argue we got the wrong guy for that judging from the picks his teams have taken.
We might be able to get one or two guys who are able to play in the NBA. Wow.
the people who "put way too much importance on late first rounders and second rounders" on this thread seem to be people who are actually advocating for 'the best scouting' so that the Spurs can have the best chances possible at helping the team.
Then I would argue we got the wrong guy for that judging from the picks his teams have taken.
We might be able to get one or two guys who are able to play in the NBA. Wow.
how dare you disagree with the Spurs FO decision.
And if the Spurs picked up a James Jones type, that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
So he could play six games for us? I thought we needed more help than that next season.
The people ing about the spurs FO are the same people who thought we got the second coming Drob with jackie butler. People, if these players were so clear cut good (like mr. body makes them sound like) why did they even make it to the end of the 1st round (I am referring to barbosa and howard).
Who exactly thought Jackie Butler would be a hall-of-fame center capable of leading the league in scoring, rebounds, blocks, and be an MVP?
Please name them, I would like to laugh at them.
In regards to the part about 'clear cut' this and falling to 'end of first round' that . . . isn't that part of why teams scout players?
It isn't always clear cut . . . that's why scouting is important.
And maybe, just maybe, that's why the Spurs created the post of DCPP and hired someone for it. Because they themselves think it's important to actually evaluate talent as well as they can.
What's clear cut is that the Spurs don't seem to need any more guards that's probably why they let them pass.
Guards are not they're biggest issue and you can see that by the talent they're trying to get from over seas.
They want a center or a power forward that could pair with Timmy D.
The Spurs are also in hurting for a small forward that can grow into filling Bruce's defensive role at the very least, something like a 6-9 Devin Brown.
In fact next to center the small forward position is the biggest hole in line up if you don't count Timmy D as a center.
We miss you David and Sean!
Let me break Chumps point to you all since so many of you (read: Mr. Body) have trouble understanding it.
You shouldn't about a front office missing someone with a 28th pick because most of the time you don't find those players. This team isn't wasting lottery picks and they're doing fine with the later picks. Teams that are in serious le contention do not usually improve from the draft, they improve via free agency/trades because they only need minor tweaks. Miami did that, and Detroit did that. The Spurs did that as well.
Thank you manny.
The Spurs may have had the luxury of taking fliers on raw international prospects in the past, but it's just not the reality this year. The Spurs have legitimate concerns for the first time in a while (the needs are well do ented so I won't repeat) and will need to address those needs, preferably before 2008. Since the Spurs only have $5M to play with, these draft choices may be very critical to the future success.
I'm not messing with past draft issues, I'm saying that the Spurs NEED to pull one out of their ass for this draft, or they'll be in some trouble.
Or trade.I'm saying that the Spurs NEED to pull one out of their ass for this draft, or they'll be in some trouble.
Or sign a free agent.
I agree with Manny to an extent...except on the 2003 draft. They traded that pick away, not because they didn't think they could get talent with it...but because they were trying to clear cap for Jason Kidd.
I don't know about anyone else, but I knew Kidd wasn't coming, I knew the pursuit of him was going to piss Parker off, I knw that even if Kidd did come he wouldn't have the impact most expected and likely would have age and injury issues, and most importantly, I knew there were players in that draft that were taken, into the second round, that were going to be good NBA players.
2003 was a huge screwup...not just in the draft, but FA that offseason, the over pursuit of Kidd...just everything about it. The only thing good to come out of that offseason was Robert Horry, and it's no surprise we didn't repeat.
$5M and an expiring contract don't buy what they used to...
I'm not saying that FA won't be important, or that trades won't need to be made, but you should acknowledge that this draft is potentially very important to the long-term future of this team is legitimate.
I'm sure you thought that before the Hedo trade too. I sure did.
So you think it's far more likely that the Spurs parlay $5M and a couple expiring contracts into immediate contributors over the draft?
More likely than getting immediate contributors from the end of the first or second rounds?
Yes.
You may not be wrong. Still, I hope the Spurs think of their legitimate and immediate needs when drafting this year. It's always a luxury to have too many guys that can give you solid minutes right?
But I said it was because of Kidd so how are you disagreeing with me? I too think it was a mistake.
I think you guys should be prepared for the Spurs FO to miss out with picks in the future because <gasp> it will happen.
And Good 2nd. rounders(read:Scola,Javtokas,Mahinmi,etc)
More excellent knowledge from south of the border.
Oberto to Spain, Scola to Spurs!!!!!
Yeah,I was the one who said Ely was coming to be the 3rd.Spurs Big man.Ohh sit that was YOU!!More excellent knowledge from south of the border.
keep spreading the knowledge coach.
I must got confused,cause I can belive he actually was picked in the late 1st round sucking the way he does.
1. Why the received wisdom that the FO passed on Josh Howard because they were going after Jason Kidd? How much does a #28 pick start at? Would this have ever been the difference between Kidd coming and Kidd running for the hills?
Isn't there the chance that Buford simply didn't want him?
2. As Manny and others blithely ignore, these discussions all revolve around WHAT THE SPURS WILL DO THIS YEAR. People really don't care what happened in the past, except as predictor for what may happen this year and next. Sure, it would be nice to have drafted Josh Howard (although Manny inexplicably doesn't think so), but the whole point of the conversation is the strategy of this team's efforts to acquire new talent. Howard constantly comes up because it is allegorical for how this team has completely overlooked domestic scouting.
I know these are very delicate concepts to think about, but it all revolves around 2007. What are we going to do? So Chump thinks we shouldn't be concerned about a #28 pick at all. So Manny thinks Oberto is better than Josh Howard. Those are your opinions, but they don't get in the way, for some of us, of the fact that this a deep draft and, with good scouting, the Spurs may manage to find good domestic players available. Will they pass again?
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