Pictures of Amare leaving the bench

[King]

Real Spurs fans wouldn't want Amare and Diaw out after what Horry did...I've seen some here say this, but quite a few seem to be clinging to the hope that Amare and Diaw will be out. Cheap Shot Bob would be a nice trade-off for those 2 guys...

I'd hate it if they were suspended. Let the players decide the series, even if the Spurs lose. I couldn't take much satisfaction out of the Spurs winning a series where the team is missing two of their better players.

[LEONARD]

No way he gets suspended for that. Are you kidding me?

Stop dreaming. He didn't do anything to warrant a suspension. There's too much to be left for interpretation. I just don't think the league will be sticklers on the line. We'll see, but in my opinion as suspension is definitely not warranted. He didn't even make it near the ruckus.

Throwing an elbow to the face of Bell isn't suspension worthy? Forget about the check on Nash...

You can't have it both ways. If Horry should be suspended for breaking the rules, then so should Amare and Diaw.

If Amare and Diaw should be given a break for losing their cool in the heat of the moment, so should Horry.

Unfortunately the latter sets a dangerous precedent for the league, so the former has to be done.

Gotcha...

cheap shot when the game is over + an elbow thrown at another guys' face

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2 guys leaving the bench and being stopped before even getting close to the other players on the floor

Horry should be suspended for the elbow and that's it. Had he not done that, I could see them letting everybody play in game 5.

[LilMissSPURfect]

Hopefully there's a picture of Beno and Vaughn getting up and we can force pop to trim the rotations.

[GrandeDavid]

[QUOTE=LEONARD]Throwing an elbow to the face of Bell isn't suspension worthy? Forget about the check on Nash...

QUOTE]

I was talking about Amare Stoudemire. No way Amare gets suspended for that.

[ambchang]

By the strict interpretation of the rules, both Stoudemire and Diaw should be suspended, but that would just be stupid and makes no sense.
I would rather the refs call the games right and avoid players losing their cool than the league suspending players after the fact.
Nobody other than Horry should be suspended.

[miss paxton]

At the same time, you've got no right to get upset with him for disagreeing with you. Can't have it both ways.

I agree that he is en led to his opinion and I wasn't upset with him, which is why I said this in response a few posts later:

I'm not criticizing you for feeling they should be suspended

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I can see the arguments both ways, which is why I actually don't envy the league for having to make this decision.

[dmac]

Hopefully there's a picture of Beno and Vaughn getting up and we can force pop to trim the rotations.

Fire up the PhotoShop boys and girls!!

[SBGamesCone]

Hey now. I like Beno and Vaughn. Beno has been stinking it up lately, but Vaughn has been playing solid ball recently.

[ManuMagic]

Kori, the league determined this is the end of the bench when they put the line there and made it the line the coaches must stay behind during the game play. The coaches are on the bench, and if this is a line that is meant to keep them near the bench then this is where the bench officially ends. Not my rules, Sterns rules.

[nkdlunch]

Kori, the league determined this is the end of the bench when they put the line there and made it the line the coaches must stay behind during the game play. The coaches are on the bench, and if this is a line that is meant to keep them near the bench then this is where the bench officially ends. Not my rules, Sterns rules.

If we use logic, we would conclude Amare did leave the vicinity of the bench. We have seen countless times, when players have been suspended by walking 2 feet from their seats. Amare walked farther than that. He walked along the sideline as well as into the playing court.

But then again, we don't know if NBA will use logic.

[Kori Ellis]

Kori, the league determined this is the end of the bench when they put the line there and made it the line the coaches must stay behind during the game play. The coaches are on the bench, and if this is a line that is meant to keep them near the bench then this is where the bench officially ends. Not my rules, Sterns rules.

They determined that's the end of the box for the coaches. They have never determined a hardline of what is the "immediate vicinity" of the bench. Stern can rule on this however he wants. He can say that they got up before there was an "altercation" (saying the initial foul was just a foul, not an altercation). He can say they never left what he determined in this case is the "immediate vicinity". It's not a hard rule no matter how many pictures Spurs fans want to post.

[ManuMagic]

They determined that's the end of the box for the coaches. They have never determined a hardline of what is the "immediate vicinity" of the bench. Stern can rule on this however he wants. He can say that they got up before there was an "altercation" (saying the initial foul was just a foul, not an altercation). He can say they never left what he determined in this case is the "immediate vicinity". It's not a hard rule no matter how many pictures Spurs fans want to post.

I know he can rule what he wants, but if he ever wants anyone to take him seriously and not regard him as a complete liar and a cover up artist then he can't just fly in the face of so much evidence and rule it one way just because he "likes" the Suns.

[Kori Ellis]

I know he can rule what he wants, but if he ever wants anyone to take him seriously and not regard him as a complete liar and a cover up artist then he can't just fly in the face of so much evidence and rule it one way just because he "likes" the Suns.

Okay if you want him to be a hardass so badly. Look for Bowen and Duncan to be suspended in Game 5 too

I don't get why Spurs fans are dying for them to get suspended. Firstly, it's all Horry's fault anyway for his foul to start everything. Secondly, why do you want more asterisk wins?

The Spurs choked last night. Horry made a huge mistake last night. The Spurs don't deserve to get rewarded for it because Amare was dumb and left the bench area.

[Obstructed_View]

Real Spurs fans wouldn't want Amare and Diaw out after what Horry did...I've seen some here say this, but quite a few seem to be clinging to the hope that Amare and Diaw will be out. Cheap Shot Bob would be a nice trade-off for those 2 guys...

The problem is that there is a zero tollerance rule that nobody is to retaliate when the officials are trying to break people up, and guys have been rung up for it a dozen times in the past. If someone gets up and runs toward his teammates then the other team sees that and does the same. It's not like it's a new rule.

I don't want Amare and Diaw out, but not because of "what Horry did". Amare and Diaw should have been smart enough to know the rules, especially if the series was actually as "dirty" as Amare had been claiming. It's a simple bad judgment due to lack of experience. As a Spurs fan, I don't want the Spurs to back into anything, and after their choking performance in the 4th last night, I think they need to earn any chance to advance on the road against a hostile crowd and an angry opponent with a complete roster. It doesn't mean I think the rules should just be ignored, and any attempt to justify what Amare and Diaw did is asinine.

[T Park]

Well its simple.

If Diaw and Stoudamire are suspended the Spurs get game 5.

If not, the Suns blow the Spurs out, due to the momentum and piss and vinigar they have right now.

[ducks]

Well its simple.

If Diaw and Stoudamire are suspended the Spurs get game 5.

If not, the Suns blow the Spurs out, due to the momentum and piss and vinigar they have right now.

horse
spurs will win either way
they will be pissed amare and diaw are not and take it out on suns

refs will call a very close game in game 5
duncan will take advantage and go for 39

[Obstructed_View]

Well its simple.

If Diaw and Stoudamire are suspended the Spurs get game 5.

If not, the Suns blow the Spurs out, due to the momentum and piss and vinigar they have right now.

Then I vote for the blowout. If the Spurs can't beat the Suns, they don't deserve to advance.

[BeerIsGood!]

Okay if you want him to be a hardass so badly. Look for Bowen and Duncan to be suspended in Game 5 too

I don't get why Spurs fans are dying for them to get suspended. Firstly, it's all Horry's fault anyway for his foul to start everything. Secondly, why do you want more asterisk wins?

The Spurs choked last night. Horry made a huge mistake last night. The Spurs don't deserve to get rewarded for it because Amare was dumb and left the bench area.

It's not about the Spurs, it's about all of the players, teams, and fans who paid the price of someone being suspended for breaking this rule and taking the consequences. Letting these two slide because "it's just feels right" is a complete slap in the face of everyone who had to pay for breaking the rule before.

If TD and Bowen left the vicinity of the bench during an altercation, they should be suspended too. It's the rule.

[coachmac87]

how can duncan and bowen get suspended??? there was no altercation going on...there were no T'S thrown or anything just elson looked a fool hangin on the rim like he does all the time and fell...

[Mixability]

Okay if you want him to be a hardass so badly. Look for Bowen and Duncan to be suspended in Game 5 too

I don't get why Spurs fans are dying for them to get suspended. Firstly, it's all Horry's fault anyway for his foul to start everything. Secondly, why do you want more asterisk wins?

The Spurs choked last night. Horry made a huge mistake last night. The Spurs don't deserve to get rewarded for it because Amare was dumb and left the bench area.

[dtrain]

Looks like Baron Davis will be allowed to play in game 5 despite his elbow to Fisher. I haven't seen this play, is it anything comparable to Horry's hard foul?

[T Park]

Then I vote for the blowout. If the Spurs can't beat the Suns, they don't deserve to advance.

You act like the Suns are the Lakers or something...

[Findog]

Looks like Baron Davis will be allowed to play in game 5 despite his elbow to Fisher. I haven't seen this play, is it anything comparable to Horry's hard foul?

It was about the same.

[Obstructed_View]

how can duncan and bowen get suspended??? there was no altercation going on...there were no T'S thrown or anything just elson looked a fool hangin on the rim like he does all the time and fell...

If the league deterimines that it was an altercation by any of their definitions, and Duncan and Bowen made a move from the bench toward the floor, they'll get suspended. Of that there is no doubt. I'd imagine that if not for the end of the game it wouldn't even have been looked at, though. The Suns fans would have been in here lobbying for it, though.

[Kori Ellis]

It's not about the Spurs, it's about all of the players, teams, and fans who paid the price of someone being suspended for breaking this rule and taking the consequences. Letting these two slide because "it's just feels right" is a complete slap in the face of everyone who had to pay for breaking the rule before.

If TD and Bowen left the vicinity of the bench during an altercation, they should be suspended too. It's the rule.

My point is that the rule is vague. There's no written limit of what the "immediate vicinity" of the bench is. So Stern can determine the altercation hadn't began when they got up ... or he can determine they were still in the immediate vicinity of the bench if he thinks they were.

As for TD and BB - Tim went on the court after Elson/JJones were tangled up. Bowen went and pulled back Tim. So if you want to call that an altercation, they should be suspended too.

Then we all get to watch crap basketball in Game 5. Hooray!