Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"

[Kevin Blackistone]

Indeed.

Shooting fish in a barrel. Really big fish.

[xjwheelr]

yes the series is wrecked. But Amare and Diaw's dumbasses wrecked it.

Riiiight. Horry had no part in what transpired.

Look, Amare is a dumbass and I believe he was making a motion toward the "ruckus," so I don't really buy the line that he was "just" checking on Nash.

But...if you're going to say that there was an altercation going on when they made their move (at the time Bell had not received the elbow from Horry), then you have to call it an altercation in the 2nd quater when Duncan and Bowen stepped on the court. It's horse to interpret the rule black and white for the Suns players and then "read into it" when it comes to Duncan's transgression. He left the bench in the same manner Stat did...to get a piece if there was a piece to be gotten. He obviously thought there might be an altercation, and by stepping on the court in that manner he made it an altercation.

It's the hypocrisy that gets me.

[Jimcs50]

If you do not like the ramifications of the rule, Sarver, do not sign players with IQs of 87, like Amare....simple as that.

[jmard5]

It's actually funny to read fans of the dirtiest, most boring, whiny and hated team in sports call another team dirty and whiny. Always trying to put it on someone else.

You are just one of those that put the blame on others instead of accepting your mistake.

Diaw and Stoudamire made a costly mistake. They erred and paid dearly for it. They put the NBA into a position to suspend them NOT the Spurs. That is the rule.

Dirtiest and hated? You do not understand what you are saying. You should attended Amare's "How To Lie 101".

[GrandeDavid]

That's actually a good argument, but I still think you have to punish the player when the violation occurs. In your argument, what happens to Horry in the event he retires after this season? There would be no next year to give him a 10 gamer.

Exactly.

[Findog]

Boring or most hated? The terms are incongruous; you must choose one.

I think you can be both. I respect the Spurs for their success, as they are a legitimate heavyweight in a league full of bantomweights. They are an absolute necessity in today's NBA, because with the passing of Shaq/Kobe, there has to be an elite team for pretenders/contenders to measure themselves against. Without .4 and a stupid Manu foul, the Spurs could've put together a run to rival MJ's Bulls. And I find Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili to be aethestically pleasing in the way they play.

That said, they are absolute to watch against most teams. Don't kid yourselves, if they play Detroit in the Finals, we're going to be treated to 85-80 foulfests and 38% shooting from both teams. All teams do some whining and backtalking to refs, all teams flop and approach the line separating tough from dirty play, but the Spurs try to position and portray themselves as some sort of old school "the right way" kind of team when really they are simply a more talented and successful version of Riley's Knicks. What has been interesting is that in this series they finally seem to be acknowledging and embracing their inner Darth Vader. Robert Horry isn't like Bruce Bowen in that he pulls something dirty and then pleads with big eyes "Hey, c'mon?? What did I do?" Horry sent Nash into the scorer's table with a look that said "Yeah, I just did that. What are you going to do about it?"

That they are benefiting more from a cheapshot initiated by Horry probably seals their role as WWF heels for fans outside of Phoenix and San Antonio. People talk about a dangerous precedent this would set if Stern stopped enforcing the leave the bench rule at this critical point. Based on this, why shouldn't a team go all Bob Probert now on opposing players? I don't know if Horry lost his cool or decided to pull a Code Red, but it sure worked out well for San Antonio, didn't it?

[ChumpDumper]

Horry sent Nash into the scorer's table with a look that said "Yeah, I just did that. What are you going to do about it?"

They suspended him for two games.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Riiiight. Horry had no part in what transpired.

Look, Amare is a dumbass and I believe he was making a motion toward the "ruckus," so I don't really buy the line that he was "just" checking on Nash.

But...if you're going to say that there was an altercation going on when they made their move (at the time Bell had not received the elbow from Horry), then you have to call it an altercation in the 2nd quater when Duncan and Bowen stepped on the court. It's horse to interpret the rule black and white for the Suns players and then "read into it" when it comes to Duncan's transgression. He left the bench in the same manner Stat did...to get a piece if there was a piece to be gotten. He obviously thought there might be an altercation, and by stepping on the court in that manner he made it an altercation.

It's the hypocrisy that gets me.

Let me inform you here - an altercation involves more than one person. In the 2nd quarter, there was Elson dunking and then Elson sitting on the floor. No Phoenix player anywhere in sight saying anything to him. No altercation.

Stoudemire left the bench rushing the middle of the court with a pissed look on his face, probably screaming obscenities. Duncan stood up to celebrate the dunk, saw Elson fall, and took a step on the court to see if he was ok. No anger, no obscenities, no altercation to rush to.

Get It? Stu Jackson did. He had a full night and a full day to review it and saw it from every possible angle, more than any of us. Give it a rest already.

[GrandeDavid]

You have yet to add anything constructive to any conversation in the last 3 days. You are worthless, but it's all in keeping with your name, because he is extremely worthless as a reporter/analyst as well.

I think Kevin Blackstone has added plenty of substance and style to this forum, so as someone who has posted here occasionally for years, I'll disagree with you there.

Don't call this man worthless, please. That's a petty insult and you don't need to go there.

[Findog]

They suspended him for two games.

"They" being the League office, not Nash. Horry's move was an intimidation tactic. He plays 15 minutes a night for his team, this was his biggest contribution of the series for the Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

"They" being the League office, not Nash. Horry's move was an intimidation tactic.

Yeah, he has that reputation in the league. Horry the intimidator. And Nash has a rep for buckling under that kind of intimidation.

He plays 15 minutes a night for his team, this was his biggest contribution of the series for the Spurs.

20 minutes in this series, but you've never exaggerated before. I'd say his shooting and d in one of the victories wa a bigger contribution.

[GrandeDavid]

This owner is an A-S-S-H-O-L-E of monumental proportions. Back in 2005 when we had the unfortunate experience of going to a Spurs/suns of es game in Phoenix. Pop did not play Duncan or Ginobili due to injury. In between all the stupid gorilla props, fireworks(or gunfire, I'm not sure) The owner gets up and starts to do the, I guess its called the "chicken-wing" dance. Taunting the Spurs as if they were afraid of the suns. The fans started cheering. It was so stupid. We were being taunted by so many fans. As we left the game and ran into other Spurs fans, they said they were being mis-treated too.
It was so ing stupid.

From Sarver to the taunting fans to the trolls to the relentless self-pitying, bleeding heart horse by their coach and some players, I now have pretty much no respect for the Suns organization. Nash is the only saving grace.

I hope the Spurs lay an ass whipping on the Suns tonight and in Game 6.

[xjwheelr]

Let me inform you here - an altercation involves more than one person. In the 2nd quarter, there was Elson dunking and then Elson sitting on the floor. No Phoenix player anywhere in sight saying anything to him. No altercation.

Stoudemire left the bench rushing the middle of the court with a pissed look on his face, probably screaming obscenities. Duncan stood up to celebrate the dunk, saw Elson fall, and took a step on the court to see if he was ok. No anger, no obscenities, no altercation to rush to.

Get It? Stu Jackson did. He had a full night and a full day to review it and saw it from every possible angle, more than any of us. Give it a rest already.

So then what of Elson getting in Jones' face after he fell on him, and the ref. getting involved? That's not an altercation?

And I like how your evidence includes what Amare "probably" did.

I guess the lesson from all of this is that Pat Burke should drag Pop onto the court and beat the out of him until every Spurs bench player has broken the rule by coming to his defense.

*I'm not advocating this, for the record...it's called sarcasm.*

[Findog]

Yeah, he has that reputation in the league. Horry the intimidator. And Nash has a rep for buckling under that kind of intimidation.20 minutes in this series, but you've never exaggerated before. I'd say his shooting and d in one of the victories wa a bigger contribution.

I'd say Horry is the MVP of Game 5.

[ChumpDumper]

I'd say Horry is the MVP of Game 5.

Amare is my MVP for game five.

[Kevin Blackistone]

So then what of Elson getting in Jones' face after he fell on him, and the ref. getting involved? That's not an altercation?

And I like how your evidence includes what Amare "probably" did.

I guess the lesson from all of this is that Pat Burke should drag Pop onto the court and beat the out of him until every Spurs bench player has broken the rule by coming to his defense.

*I'm not advocating this, for the record...it's called sarcasm.*

I put the probablys in there for effect and to be funny, but if you take them out the situation doesn't change. Here's my quote from another thread that states why TD more than likely wouldn't have been suspended even if it was deemed an altercation in the 2nd quarter:

This morning Stu Jackson stated that you have to leave the vicinity of the bench to be in violation of the rule. Duncan took two steps on the court but was still very close to his bench where as Stoudemire was charging the altercation far away from his bench with assistant coaches draped on him. That's the difference in the two, I don't think Duncan would have been suspended even if there was an incident because he was very close to the bench and would probably have been ruled in the vicinity.

[Spider TX]

I think Kevin Blackstone has added plenty of substance and style to this forum, so as someone who has posted here occasionally for years, I'll disagree with you there.

Don't call this man worthless, please. That's a petty insult and you don't need to go there.

You are defending a guy who curses at everyone on this board who doesn't agree with him? Interesting.

[jmard5]

So then what of Elson getting in Jones' face after he fell on him, and the ref. getting involved? That's not an altercation?

And I like how your evidence includes what Amare "probably" did.

Read. That is not an altercation. Read the other threads and be well informed. Judging by your post count, I do not think you did.

You jumped into that suspend the Spurs bandwagon so as just to make an excuse.

[UV Ray]

that's the stupidest thing I've read in the last 20 minutes, and that's saying a lot. You just shamed yourself, go to your room and say 10 hail mary's and make sure to pray for Dirk's mental recovery.

Except for your previous post.

[Kevin Blackistone]

You are defending a guy who curses at everyone on this board who doesn't agree with him? Interesting.

i just do that to get your goat while I'm formulating the vastly superior ideas that become my posts.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Except for your previous post.

Sweet, now I have a forum stalker digging through pages of posts to try to come up with something witty. I wish it was someone more clever...

[Spider TX]

Kevin, I'm not just referring to any responses to me, I'm talking about your responses in general.

I don't have any real problem with you, it's all entertainment on these boards for me, because any banter really does nothing in the grand scheme of things, but you do come back cursing a lot.

[DarkReign]

Honestly, I didnt realize people were actually born and bred in Phoenix. Every time I have been there, youre either Mexican (immigrant) or a transplant from another city (Detroit, Chicago and New York seem to be the big 3).

[Spider TX]

There are actually quite a few, they just get overshadowed by the huge number of transplants now.

[Spider TX]

There's a reason why the fanbase for the other 3 major sports teams isn't as strong as with the Suns, none of the 3 have even been around for 20 years yet, and that longest one is the hapless Cardinals.