Sarver "The team that plays dirty should not be rewarded"

[xjwheelr]

Read. That is not an altercation. Read the other threads and be well informed. Judging by your post count, I do not think you did.

You jumped into that suspend the Spurs bandwagon so as just to make an excuse.

So because I haven't posted on this forum before today means I'm not well-informed? Dude, I have ESPN and access to youtube. The entire country is well-informed. And, by the way, according to ESPN the majority of the country agrees with me.

You guys are even bigger homers than we are.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Kevin, I'm not just referring to any responses to me, I'm talking about your responses in general.

I don't have any real problem with you, it's all entertainment on these boards for me, because any banter really does nothing in the grand scheme of things, but you do come back cursing a lot.

I don't have a problem with anybody. It's all in good fun.

[Kevin Blackistone]

So because I haven't posted on this forum before today means I'm not well-informed? Dude, I have ESPN and access to youtube. The entire country is well-informed. And, by the way, according to ESPN the majority of the country agrees with me.

You guys are even bigger homers than we are.

That settles it - get this man a microphone and a courtside seat, stat!!

[Samir Nagheenanajar]

Dude, I have ESPN and access to youtube.

ESPN and YouTube, how do you get this?

[jmard5]

So because I haven't posted on this forum before today means I'm not well-informed? Dude, I have ESPN and access to youtube. The entire country is well-informed. And, by the way, according to ESPN the majority of the country agrees with me.

You guys are even bigger homers than we are.

Access to YouTube? Right. Majority of the country also agreeing to suspend Duncan and Bowen? Right.

Damn it. What's with these trolls? I am not sure if I want to laugh or be pissed-off.

[travis2]

are these people for real?

[jmard5]

are these people for real?

I just don't get it. I know Amare's "just want to check-in" excuse is lame. But because one has an access to YouTube is a legitimate excuse to lobby the Duncan suspension.

Lamest ever.

[xjwheelr]

That settles it - get this man a microphone and a courtside seat, stat!!

I wondered if that might go over your cowboy hat, errr...head.

See, the ESPN and youtube comment was tongue in cheek, and meant to speak to the fact that the entire country has ben inundated with this stuff for the past 36 hours. If you have a pulse and cable TV, you are probably pretty well-informed. What insite could you possibly offer me that I, as a sports fan and member of the 21st century, wouldn't already know regarding this topic? THAT was the point.

[xjwheelr]

Access to YouTube? Right. Majority of the country also agreeing to suspend Duncan and Bowen? Right.

Damn it. What's with these trolls? I am not sure if I want to laugh or be pissed-off.

Why am I being called a troll? Because I am a fan of a different team and don't share your point of view? Have I typed in all caps or said that I want the entire Spurs team to drive off a cliff or anything else trollish? I have expressed my point of view. Troll cop-out is way too easy.

As for the most of the country thing...yesterday ESPN had a poll asking what should be done regarding Amare, Boris, and Horry. The majority said suspend Horry, do nothing to the Suns. I am just reporting the facts.

[Kevin Blackistone]

I wondered if that might go over your cowboy hat, errr...head.

See, the ESPN and youtube comment was tongue in cheek, and meant to speak to the fact that the entire country has ben inundated with this stuff for the past 36 hours. If you have a pulse and cable TV, you are probably pretty well-informed. What insite could you possibly offer me that I, as a sports fan and member of the 21st century, wouldn't already know regarding this topic? THAT was the point.

Let's see...

So then what of Elson getting in Jones' face after he fell on him, and the ref. getting involved? That's not an altercation?

And I like how your evidence includes what Amare "probably" did.

I guess the lesson from all of this is that Pat Burke should drag Pop onto the court and beat the out of him until every Spurs bench player has broken the rule by coming to his defense.

*I'm not advocating this, for the record...it's called sarcasm.*

When did Elson get in Jones' face with the refs involved? What happened wasn't even close to an altercation. They didn't even exchange words!!

Riiiight. Horry had no part in what transpired.

Look, Amare is a dumbass and I believe he was making a motion toward the "ruckus," so I don't really buy the line that he was "just" checking on Nash.

But...if you're going to say that there was an altercation going on when they made their move (at the time Bell had not received the elbow from Horry), then you have to call it an altercation in the 2nd quater when Duncan and Bowen stepped on the court. It's horse to interpret the rule black and white for the Suns players and then "read into it" when it comes to Duncan's transgression. He left the bench in the same manner Stat did...to get a piece if there was a piece to be gotten. He obviously thought there might be an altercation, and by stepping on the court in that manner he made it an altercation.

It's the hypocrisy that gets me.

You think what happened in the 2nd quarter is the same as what happened at the end of the game? If this is what you are seeing from Youtube and ESPN, maybe you need to upgrade from the early '90s hand held 3" black and white screen or maybe a visit to the optometrist is in order.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Why am I being called a troll? Because I am a fan of a different team and don't share your point of view? Have I typed in all caps or said that I want the entire Spurs team to drive off a cliff or anything else trollish? I have expressed my point of view. Troll cop-out is way too easy.

As for the most of the country thing...yesterday ESPN had a poll asking what should be done regarding Amare, Boris, and Horry. The majority said suspend Horry, do nothing to the Suns. I am just reporting the facts.

Yes, ESPN polls are error proof and never full of bias. Ever.

They take a great random cross-section of the country - people who watch ESPN and feel strongly enough about the incident to actually go online and send in a vote. Namely, Suns fans.

[jmard5]

Why am I being called a troll? Because I am a fan of a different team and don't share your point of view? Have I typed in all caps or said that I want the entire Spurs team to drive off a cliff or anything else trollish? I have expressed my point of view. Troll cop-out is way too easy.

As for the most of the country thing...yesterday ESPN had a poll asking what should be done regarding Amare, Boris, and Horry. The majority said suspend Horry, do nothing to the Suns. I am just reporting the facts.

For the record, I am referring to your argument of lobbying Duncan's suspension.

Now, you are bringing Amare's, Boris' and Horry's suspensions. That is two different arguments.

[xjwheelr]

Let's see...



When did Elson get in Jones' face with the refs involved? What happened wasn't even close to an altercation. They didn't even exchange words!!




You think what happened in the 2nd quarter is the same as what happened at the end of the game? If this is what you are seeing from Youtube and ESPN, maybe you need to upgrade from the early '90s hand held 3" black and white screen or maybe a visit to the optometrist is in order.

Your logic astounds me. No, they weren't exactly the same, but doens't mean they weren't both altercations. You're making me dizzy.

Go eat some buttered tortillas at Alamo Cafe.

[xjwheelr]

For the record, I am referring to your argument of lobbying Duncan's suspension.

Now, you are bringing Amare's, Boris' and Horry's suspensions. That is two different arguments.

You're right, my remark about the poll was misleading. The context of our discussion at the time was re: Duncan. My bad.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Your logic astounds me. No, they weren't exactly the same, but doens't mean they weren't both altercations. You're making me dizzy.

Go eat some buttered tortillas at Alamo Cafe.

You said if the one at the end is an altercation then the one in the 2nd has to be to. Why? They were different as night and day yet you made that statement...

I'm perfectly fine with my logic astounding the guy using the most biased form of opinion - ESPN Online Polls - to prove his point. Thank you.

[jmard5]

Your logic astounds me. No, they weren't exactly the same, but doens't mean they weren't both altercations. You're making me dizzy.

They are NOT altercations.

Ok, can you Google the word altercation and post the meaning here, please?

EDIT: Ok, since you pointed that you erred on your post. Nevermind. I am also with you that I also want to face the Suns with an intact starting 5 roster. But rules are rules.

[ducks]

[spursaretheone]

All I have to say is Steve Nash Shouldn't have flopped so hard by throwing himself into the sign. If he wouldn't have done that then Amare and Boris wouldn't have stepped out onto the floor but he wanted to sell the foul so he throws himself and then lays down like a and pretends he is knocked out. The Suns did it to themselves.

[donc2000]

Guys - If u have ever played on "any" team - its a natural reaction to go towards the action -especially if your small guy got hammered by an opposing big guy. They just reacted naturally - what kind of a team-mate would you be if you dont help? Amare and Diaw were caught by their coaches well before they could do anything bad or make the situation worse. The rule was put in place to prevent baseball style bench clearing melees. The league office got this one wrong and wrecked a great series. Hope this rule changes next year.

[ChumpDumper]

Hope this rule changes next year.

Changes to what?

[donc2000]

All I have to say is Steve Nash Shouldn't have flopped so hard by throwing himself into the sign. If he wouldn't have done that then Amare and Boris wouldn't have stepped out onto the floor but he wanted to sell the foul so he throws himself and then lays down like a and pretends he is knocked out. The Suns did it to themselves.

Be a fan yes ... but dont be so blind ... nash flopping idea is ridiculous .... this is one guy who hasnt complained even after getting kicked in the nuts ..... horry is twice nash's size and it was a hard forearm / hip check ... no way anyone can justify what Horry did .... this is just a sad part of the game where less talented players try to intimidate opponents... go play hockey ..... Spurs could have beaten the Suns fair and square ... no need for such stuff.

[donc2000]

Changes to what?

Changes to - If you dont make the situation worse - no threat / abuse / contact with opposing player / connection to on-going action - then no suspension.

[ChumpDumper]

horry is twice nash's size

12'6" and 390 pounds!

[Displaced Spurs Fan]

No response to a well-reasoned argument, other than to acknowledge you're out of ammo by saying "That's stupid." Look in the mirror, please.

Actually, the poster is right. That is a stupid statement.

"I will gladly pay you tomorrow for a hamburger today."

Said when repo man was asking for payment before taking the car "A check? Why didn't you just say so. , let me just go ahead and pay it off"

[picnroll]

I think they should change it from a rule to a suggestion. Something like "If a player leaves the bench area to move toward an altercation the league should consider suspending the player unless the other teams' fans and owner whine too much".