David Stern on the Dan Patrick show today 5/16

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

we could easily train a chimpanzee to do the same...

still doesn't forgive the fact that the NBA is starting to look like the WWE

fire david stern...the only people still protecting this "rule" are spurs fans...not all...but the only ones. And they are supporting it for the obvious reason, to help them win the game.

change is needed...and needed soon

And Henry Abbott (admittedly pulling for the Suns this round), and Jemele Hill, and Kenny Smith...

[smeagol]

we could easily train a chimpanzee to do the same...

still doesn't forgive the fact that the NBA is starting to look like the WWE

fire david stern...the only people still protecting this "rule" are spurs fans...not all...but the only ones. And they are supporting it for the obvious reason, to help them win the game.

change is needed...and needed soon

[judaspriestess]

Am I?

It amazes me how many of you are so adamantly defending the rule to the death. There doesn't have to be a "right" and a "wrong". IMO, the rule should be changed.

Clearly, I'm not alone here. Others feel as I do.

And as far as "why now", it just happens to be a very relevant topic in light of recent events. Who says everyone was fine with it until this happened? I've always thought it was too black and white.

THERE ARE NO SHADES OF GRAY!!!!!! its black and white, clear as day, what you see is what you get, it is what it is. Get over it, its an ironclad rule in effect. Maybe this incident will begin the dialogue to change this rule in the future. Could shoulda woulda is not going to get you anywhere.

READ David Sterns comments s-l-o-w-l-y.

"It's not being decided by [Robert Horry]. It's being decided by two Phoenix Suns who knew about the rule, forgot about it, couldn't control themselves, and didn't have coaches who could control them. And don't you forget it. Now, is it exactly fair? Probably not. Is it a red letter rule? Absolutely. Did cost other players and teams their playoffs and championships? Yes. So, I guess there's no way for us to get the message through. Do you think next year the players will understand it?"

[ChumpDumper]

we could easily train a chimpanzee to do the same...

still doesn't forgive the fact that the NBA is starting to look like the WWE

So relaxing the bench rule will help this how?

fire david stern.

And hire whom?

change is needed...and needed soon

What changes?

Be specific.

[smeagol]

If Duncan and Manu would have been suspended for taking off the bench, the Suns Fans would be defending how the rule is written all the way to its last word.

In any case, I can't see Timmy and Manu being as stupid as Amare.

In fact, I can see Amare doint it again. That is how stupid that kid is.

[DePastino]

Then why do spend so much time arguing over the point.

You believe the suspensions are fair.

'Nuff said.

The suspensions aren't being debated. The wording of the rule itself is.

[4lifecowboy]

Am I?

It amazes me how many of you are so adamantly defending the rule to the death. There doesn't have to be a "right" and a "wrong". IMO, the rule should be changed.

Clearly, I'm not alone here. Others feel as I do.

And as far as "why now", it just happens to be a very relevant topic in light of recent events. Who says everyone was fine with it until this happened? I've always thought it was too black and white.

Go some where with that bull ! They clearly loss their composure and yet not once have any Sun's fan mention that. There are many altercations in the NBA look at the Utah and Golden State series, yet only two players forget the rule thats been BLACK and WHITE for over a decade

[ChumpDumper]

The suspensions aren't being debated.

[DePastino]

If Duncan and Manu would have been suspended for taking off the bench, the Suns Fans would be defending how the rule is written all the way to its last word.

I know for a fact that I wouldn't be, but I also wouldn't be in here debating it either.

[Extra Stout]

The suspensions aren't being debated. The wording of the rule itself is.

I agree the rule should be changed in the offseason.

It is what it is right now.

So is there some other point of disagreement?

[DePastino]

Go some where with that bull ! They clearly loss their composure and yet not once have any Sun's fan mention that. There are many altercations in the NBA look at the Utah and Golden State series, yet only two players forget the rule thats been BLACK and WHITE for over a decade

Actually, I DID say that they were in the wrong.

I just think the penalty is too stiff.

[judaspriestess]

Actually, I DID say that they were in the wrong.

I just think the penalty is too stiff.

*sigh* one more time ok


"It's not being decided by [Robert Horry]. It's being decided by two Phoenix Suns who knew about the rule, forgot about it, couldn't control themselves, and didn't have coaches who could control them. And don't you forget it. Now, is it exactly fair? Probably not. Is it a red letter rule? Absolutely. Did cost other players and teams their playoffs and championships? Yes. So, I guess there's no way for us to get the message through. Do you think next year the players will understand it?" -David Stern

THERE ARE NO SHADES OF GRAY, its black and white.

[DePastino]

THERE ARE NO SHADES OF GRAY!!!!!! its black and white, clear as day, what you see is what you get, it is what it is. Get over it, its an ironclad rule in effect. Maybe this incident will begin the dialogue to change this rule in the future. Could shoulda woulda is not going to get you anywhere.

READ David Sterns comments s-l-o-w-l-y.

"It's not being decided by [Robert Horry]. It's being decided by two Phoenix Suns who knew about the rule, forgot about it, couldn't control themselves, and didn't have coaches who could control them. And don't you forget it. Now, is it exactly fair? Probably not. Is it a red letter rule? Absolutely. Did cost other players and teams their playoffs and championships? Yes. So, I guess there's no way for us to get the message through. Do you think next year the players will understand it?"

You people are impossible. I'm discussing why I think the rule needs to be changed. I'm not saying that it was enforced incorrectly, nor have I ever.

Is there any particular reason you feel the need to be contentious rather than just agreeing to disagree?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm discussing why I think the rule needs to be changed.

Chaged to do what? Reflect perceived intent? Yeah, that would be unambiguous.

[DePastino]

*sigh* one more time ok


"It's not being decided by [Robert Horry]. It's being decided by two Phoenix Suns who knew about the rule, forgot about it, couldn't control themselves, and didn't have coaches who could control them. And don't you forget it. Now, is it exactly fair? Probably not. Is it a red letter rule? Absolutely. Did cost other players and teams their playoffs and championships? Yes. So, I guess there's no way for us to get the message through. Do you think next year the players will understand it?" -David Stern

THERE ARE NO SHADES OF GRAY, its black and white.

It's my opinion THAT IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. In the future. Not retroactively.

I'm not disagreeing with the enforcement of the rule in this instance.

Oy...next topic.

[DePastino]

Chaged to do what? Reflect perceived intent? Yeah, that would be unambiguous.

I already explained this.

The penalty is TOO ING BLACK AND WHITE.

It ALWAYS has been.

If you don't think so, fine.

[ChumpDumper]

I already explained this.

The penalty is TOO ING BLACK AND WHITE.

It ALWAYS has been.

Considering what the rule is in place to prevent, no it isn't.

[DePastino]

I agree the rule should be changed in the offseason.

It is what it is right now.

So is there some other point of disagreement?

Nope.

[mFFL03]

So relaxing the bench rule will help this how?And hire whom?What changes?

Be specific.

Not neccessarily the bench rule.....ALL THE RULES......they are just trying to create another MJ through the super star system....

Hire anyone capable of doing the job.....I guess you are trying to say when David Stern dies, the NBA will die as well? come on man, think about what you are saying

Changes? Turn the league around into a respectable commodity again. It's seriously starting to look and sound like the WWE...I've never heard so much whining and unhappiness about the NBA.... EVER.... I know every team can't win, but people are starting to think there is favoritism or bad officiated in pretty much every game now....not good...not good indeed...

[DePastino]

Considering what the rule is in place to prevent, no it isn't.

And that is your opinion.

[ChumpDumper]

And that is your opinion.

And that of all the owners. Well, 29 of them now.

[ChumpDumper]

Not neccessarily the bench rule.....ALL THE RULES......they are just trying to create another MJ through the super star system....

Wow, that's specific.

Hire anyone capable of doing the job.....I guess you are trying to say when David Stern dies, the NBA will die as well? come on man, think about what you are saying

You think someone else can do better. Name one.

Changes? Turn the league around into a respectable commodity again.

You don't respect the NBA as a commodity? What does that even mean?

It's seriously starting to look and sound like the WWE.

And you want to change the bench rule to make it MORE like the WWE.

I've never heard so much whining and unhappiness about the NBA.... EVER....

Neither have I, but we've never had this many mav, sun and nuggetfans here all at once.

I know every team can't win, but people are starting to think there is favoritism or bad officiated in pretty much every game now....not good...not good indeed...

There are alot of stupid people out there, but I don't think they should have their asses kissed because they are stupid.

[DePastino]

And that of all the owners. Well, 29 of them now.

I suppose so.

But does that make it "right"?

Even if Sarver gets totally shot down in the offseason, I'll still think it's too damn stiff a penalty for a player that literally did nothing but move along the sideline toward a situation that escalated in the blink of an eye.

[nkdlunch]

I suppose so.

But does that make it "right"?

Even if Sarver gets totally shot down in the offseason, I'll still think it's too damn stiff a penalty for a player that literally did nothing but move along the sideline toward a situation that escalated in the blink of an eye.

I think most of us agree. But the fact is the rule was in place when this happened and NBA followed the rule. Nothing more to discuss until the offseason. move on

[ChumpDumper]

I suppose so.

But does that make it "right"?

It makes it a rule. And one the players should follow.