Someone already posted that, and what the article didn't tell you is that Matt Bonner and Beno Udrih were getting double digit minutes (Bonner actually over 20) a game in those two games. Also, the 1st game came on the next night after a win in Dallas as the 2nd game of the season, and the 2nd game came at a time when the Spurs lost 4 of 6. Ask anyone here if this is the same team that was playing then. You might as well junk any footage... in the last 2 years 2 of the Cavs wins came on the 2nd night of a Spurs B2B (just ask how the Spurs did on those last year), and one came during the losing streak in January. The 4th game? A 26 point win by the Spurs.
To summarize - you aren't seeing the same team and the Cavs aren't bringing the same team. That information is meaningless.
No it doesn't, I was only comparing the backcourts in the first place. So whose backcourt would you rather have? I would take either the Net's combination of Jefferson/Carter/Kidd or the Piston's combo of Prince/Billups/Hamilton over the Spurs' Ginobili/Parker/Bowen any day of the week.
Parker > Kidd or Billups. That's proven.
Manu = Carter, > Prince, I'd say.
Hard to compare Bowen, since he's not offensive. Meh, I guess we'll just have to wait until Thursday to see what the better team is.
Interesting article. Of course, regular season means .
Hey S.A. for all the low lifes down there that do jack with their lives and want to call out honest folk working for the general good, go take a walk on the riverwalk err mudwalk. I'm out to da beach. still a couple hours left of sun.
Later to da coooll SA fans. CAVS in 7.
You'd take Brady Quinn over 3 time Champion Brady? You'd seriously take this guy??....http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66099
A)Dont vote
B)Spelling corrections are the last weak attempt by weak posters
C)Talking about class, you dont see me on Cavs boards disrespecting players of the opposing team, in fact the only negative Ive said about the Cavs were all directed at you, because your a ing dumbass that really makes Cavs fans look like they have never watched a game of basketball.
What does "da" mean? Is that some low edication having subs ution for "the"? Does it really take THAT long to type three letters instead of two?
I've never understood why ignorance and stupidity are cool.
And what even worse, had the Nuggets, the Suns, or the Jazz managed to make it past the Spurs, they would be favored over the Cavs too.
Right now the Cavs are maybe(?) the 6th best team in the league. I'm still not convinced the would have beat the Wizards with a healthy Arenas playing. And I have my doubts about them beating the Mavs in a 7 game series either.
Your a dumb
Because you're grown up!
We've been battling with children all day.
Ignorance Thread.
These Cavs fans sound like perfect characters for the ESPN News commercials.
Good luck chasing down all of the smugglers, pimps, and thieves on the beach. Looks like you've put in a great day of work consisting of spewing BS on an internet forum and chasing people on the beach. Nice job... tax money well spent.
The funniest thing about that article is the le.
Tale of the Tape: LeBron James vs. the Spurs
One player vs. twelve? THAT's why Cleveland won't win the championship.
Most people (Not all! Some Cavs fans understand the concept of "team") seem to think that Lebron James is gonna drop 50 a night while the Spurs just stand on the floor, twiddling their thumbs. Sorry, but it's not gonna be that way. Lebron will score points and play well, but he's gonna have to work for it. Harder than he did against ANY Eastern Conference team. And the rest of the players on the Cavs are gonna have to bring it.
I'm not saying the Spurs are gonna sweep or that the Cavs suck. That's obviously not true. But it's been said many times on this board. The best "player" is not gonna beat the best "team" all by himself. The Spurs play great team and individual defense all over the court. They play D in the paint as well as the perimeter. James WILL have to work for his points. It's not gonna be like what happened in Detroit.
Spurs in 6
Does anyone seriously suspect that "The King" will average any significant number over his season average of about 27?
Does anyone seriously think "The Boobie" will have another 31 point game?
"No way" you say?
Then I ask you, how in the is the Cavs going to beat the Spurs?
I have no clue. Even after reading all the informative posts by our new guests the Cavs fans.
At least I've got class. I'm done talking to you.
Thanks for responding; I would have responded sooner myself, but actual work called for a bit.
Ok, your analysis and my thoughts:
[/QUOTE]OK, taking Z/Varejao on Duncan first. Z is slower than Oberto and Timmy's still got some decent moves. I think Z is a pretty good defender, actually, but I think he'll have to watch out for Duncan in the post, and of course, with the bank shot, Timmy is capable of drawing a defender away from the basket, allowing our second big to sidle inside for an offensive rebound or a put-back. I think putting Z on Duncan is a mistake, as it is likely to raise his foul count quickly and make Z ineffective. You are better off using a Gooden/Varejao combo and allowing Z to stay near the basket on Oberto/Elson, where he is primed for grabbing the board or providing the double on Duncan, where he can slide with less damage than one of the perimeter players. On the whole though, Duncan is the better player and can play as easily doubled or 1on1 and score either way, so as with the PHX series, look for Duncan to have his way.
Next up is the notion of Hughes on Manu and Gibson on Parker. Unless I'm mistaken, Hughes generally starts at pg and Gibson is the replacement. Are you proposing that they both start? Or that Hughes will either start on Parker or come from the bench to guard Manu? Either way, Hughes on Manu presents the same difficulty as Hughes on Parker, which is that both have superior speed (particularly when you consider Hughes' foot injury). Plantar fasciitis can also affect lateral movement (really hurt Timmy last year), so it's not just straightforward speed, but movement to the side. I don't think Hughes can contain Manu if he wants to get the basket, though he may be able to guard him on the perimeter. Manu can get sloppy with passes. I haven't seen enough of Gibson to know what his defense is like, but since Tony was faster than AI and Nash and Williams, I don't expect Gibson to be able to slow him down. Hard fouls inside may result, but our guys are pretty decent FT shooters (it gets Manu going, frequently) and the result is your bigs in foul trouble. It is posssible to block shots if you look frequently at the film and figure out how they go (Manu prefers to go left, for example), but many of Tony's shots are difficult to block without being called as goaltends (easier if he's laying up instead of going with a tear drop). Regardless, I don't really see either solution as being particularly effective to stop Tony/Manu. I think it plays out as the other series have, which is - if they get into the lane frequently, it's hard to stop them. The DPOY couldn't stop them, so I don't feel like giving the edge to Varejao/Z/Gooden is really accurate.
Additionally, simply packing the lanes won't work, since they are equally capable from scoring outside and passing to other outside scorers. You can't really double or sag off with impunity. I think this is a real mismatch for the Cavs.
It's always up to the big men to grab boards and everyone should hustle. I don't underestimate Cavs hustle - and you may get more stuff than you expect because Spurs more frequently rely on offensive efficiency and are willing to let balls go if it means getting set on D.
I disagree with this. Your rs rebounding percentage was higher than ours (52.1% to 50.9%) but lower than Utah's (53.4%). We managed to stay within striking distance of Utah in game 1, and outrebounded them in the other 3 games we won. If we can manage to outrebound Utah's ing monsters on the boards, I'm not worried about Z/Varejao/Goodwin.The fact that Cleveland has a deciding size advantage across the board will give them an edge in rebounds so San Antonio's ability to score without turning the ball over will be at a premium.
SA was one of the most offensively efficient teams in the league - they are willing to let some offensive boards go, because they can generally make it up on defense. This should be especially true when you consider that the Cavs have been missing so many shots of late. Limiting your second chance points will be a key factor for the Spurs.
I agree that Sideshow Bob flops a lot . . . if that's what you mean by drawing charges.And let's not forget, Varajao is the best in the league at drawing offensive fouls so Parker an Ginobili will have to actually think before rushing in, Varajao's footwork in keeping himself between the driving offensive player and the basket will keep these two off-balance.
I think he'll get a few calls, as will Manu.
But ultimately, I think that Duncan's reputation is bigger than Varejao's so I'm not expecting that the refs will call a lot for Varejao - at least not as many on Duncan as they might on Rasheed. Please note that I am not advocating for against flopping or how refs call the game (superstar argument), just pointing out what I expect to see based on past history. I also think that Tony and Manu will go to the side enough to get the foul called on Varejao.
It isn't rocket science, you get your players to play hard and play smart defensively, Mike Brown has turned this team into a very formidable defensive team. Case in point, just look at how they smothered Chauncey Billups, who if I am not mistaken had the best assist-to-turnover ratio of any PG in the league this season until he ran into the Cavs, where he had way more turnovers than assists. Cleveland has played championship-caliber defense last postseason and this year, last season they didn't have the scorers to compliment Lebron with however that has changed quickly and they haven't lost a beat on the defensive end.
This is a perception issue, but I saw less of Chauncey being smothered than I did Chauncey making bad decisions. I am positive you will disagree, as it is your team, but there is a difference between a player being stupid and making bad plays and defense causing turnovers (via interference, steals, etc).
You simply cannot claim that someone has played championship calibur anything when you don't have championships to back it up. Cavs may have played very good defense, but I've seen championship calibur defense from the 3 Spurs championship teams and from 2 Pistons teams (one champions, one very close), and I don't see that from Cleveland. I do see them exploiting opportunities, but it's not the same thing as forcing opportunities. I think they can get there, but I don't buy that they are there. I've watched them all playoffs and while I've seen stretches that are impressive, I've yet to see one standout game long defensive clampdown. I saw a whole lot of missed shots and poor play, but that is not the same thing as good, solid D.
Additionally, I absolutely disagree that you've got scorers to complement LeBron. You have a few guys who are very streaky. It's not the same thing at all.
But thanks for the honest take.
Hopefully your done talking period, I would hate for others to have to read the trash you post
Hey, congrats! You didn't resort to your usual toilet mouth. Seriously, how old are you, 16? Don't think you won't be the first one to get dogged after the Cavs school you guys at home in game 1 or 2.
Why would I get dogged? For calling out a talking Cav fan on a Spurs board? Who gives a , maybe have a good take and I wont call you a dumb . Potty mouth? So what are you, 8?
And btw, I have heard this same argument and talk from 3 straight teams that were much better than yours, so your weak smack is kind of sad
You've got to be ing kidding me.
Calling people out for 'toilet mouths'?
What-the- -ever.
I would lay down money that Lebron and Gibson combine for 50 pts in at least three games this series.
Hey, what can I say? Apparently Texans have no class. Just saying, the profanity is not necessary, not all of us on here are 15.You've got to be ing kidding me.
Calling people out for 'toilet mouths'?
What-the- -ever.
Wow, did you just start watching basketball? Considering they have done that like 3 times all year I would say its more likely more Gooden to turn into Bill Russell. Your really reaching now
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