durant cant bench press 180

[ALVAREZ6]

Wrong physics.

Work = weight being lifted x length of arms.

The weight of the person has nothing to do with it.

It very much does you dumbass, do you lift?


If you take any two people, 9 times out of 10 the heavier guy will bench more. Now, I'm talking two comparable people, like a fat guy vs. a fat guy, an athletic vs. athletic, etc. If you take 2 people who have never lifted before, it's simply natural for the guy that weighs more to bench more. Don't deny the fact that being bigger gives you an advantage.

[fyatuk]

It's not about pushing your arms straight in front of you.

Bench press is a measure of total upper body strength. It's not only arms but shoulders and back as well. Lebron uses his incredible upper body strength to get to the rim at will. Not to say hes not strong in the lower body too, he's just an athletic freak of nature.

Bench press is used as a measure of upper body strength, but shouldn't be. I've always been able to push outwards (to the sides) many times what I can push forward, etc. Some people skeletal structures prohibit certain movements. My shoulders are weird in that I can't really even do military presses.

Back when I was playing bbal on the playground I couldn't benchpress anything, but I could push people around on the court. Benchpress tests a specific set of muscles, but it is far from a decent measure of strength, let alone ability to apply that strength.

[mbass]

no sir i think its the other way around....adam morrison dominated the ncaa ranks and so did re ?? but the NBA is just totally different...he was a great college player and had the best freshman year ever...but if he was to have that same kind of impact he needs to bulk up...

I for one agree with you and I have watched him play - he looks frail to me and needs to get stronger. He should have stayed at UT at least another year.

[ChumpDumper]

Why should he have stayed? Maybe he would've moved up one spot?

[fyatuk]

It very much does you dumbass, do you lift?


If you take any two people, 9 times out of 10 the heavier guy will bench more. Now, I'm talking two comparable people, like a fat guy vs. a fat guy, an athletic vs. athletic, etc. If you take 2 people who have never lifted before, it's simply natural for the guy that weighs more to bench more. Don't deny the fact that being bigger gives you an advantage.

If you're talking two people with comparable heights and builds, then yes, the person who weighs more would be able to lift more because muscle is denser than fat, so they have more muscle mass.

That actually has nothing to do with the physical definition of work though. Two people lifting the same weight the same height do the same amount of work. Someone with a longer wingspan uses more energy to move the same weight to their max height.

Get two people of varying heights with the same fat %, and proportionate body mass, and you will most likely see the one with shorter arms do more reps.

[Extra Stout]

It very much does you dumbass, do you lift?


If you take any two people, 9 times out of 10 the heavier guy will bench more. Now, I'm talking two comparable people, like a fat guy vs. a fat guy, an athletic vs. athletic, etc. If you take 2 people who have never lifted before, it's simply natural for the guy that weighs more to bench more. Don't deny the fact that being bigger gives you an advantage.

Well that seems obvious for people of comparable builds. What does that have to do with your weight compared to that of Dwight Howard?

[Extra Stout]

Exactly.


It's all proportional, you can't make the argument that taller people have a longer distance to push the weight. It's proportional.

Anyone who benches knows when they're maxing out, there's that one spot a certain amount of inches (generally few) above their chest that once they pass, the bar is going up no matter what, even if they still have a bunch to go because of having longer arms.

The length of your forearms has something to do with grip strength, doesn't it?

[Despot]

How much could Shawn Bradley bench?

[johngateswhiteley]

not really...unless they're abnormally strong or started lifting at a very early age. 9th grade is the most common age for kids to start lifting.

i am sorry you went to a weak school. i benched 185 lbs in 8th grade and we had about 7 guys who benched more than i did...3 topped 200.

[Extra Stout]

It very much does you dumbass, do you lift?


If you take any two people, 9 times out of 10 the heavier guy will bench more. Now, I'm talking two comparable people, like a fat guy vs. a fat guy, an athletic vs. athletic, etc. If you take 2 people who have never lifted before, it's simply natural for the guy that weighs more to bench more. Don't deny the fact that being bigger gives you an advantage.

When I was about your age, yes, I lifted. They said that creatine stuff was harmless! I put on about 25 lbs. of muscle, but I was prone to periods of rage.

[conversekid]

it'll be easier to add a few pounds and some strength, as opposed to trying to develop a jumper or a post game... if his only problem is strength - i say the kid will be alright.

only caveat to that - didn't kobe try to bulk up one off-season and end up getting injuries the following season? I guess they need to make sure it's in proportion with his frame.

[Extra Stout]

It's not all about the length of your arms, it's more about the length of your arms in proportion to the rest of your body. If someone is 6ft 8 with a 7ft wing span, then they're going to have trouble with bench. Same goes for a 5ft 8 guy with a 6ft wing span.

Is it the ratio of wingspan to height, or wingspan to torso width that matters? If it's the latter, that makes sense because it would be more difficult to control the bar.

[conversekid]

When I was about your age, yes, I lifted. They said that creatine stuff was harmless! I put on about 25 lbs. of muscle, but I was prone to periods of rage.

rage from creatine? creatine is a cell volumizer... nothing hormonal about that at all...

[Despot]

When I was about your age, yes, I lifted. They said that creatine stuff was harmless! I put on about 25 lbs. of muscle, but I was prone to periods of rage.

Are you serious? I was about to start lifting again, and was going to start that stuff.

[michaelwcho]

When I was about your age, yes, I lifted. They said that creatine stuff was harmless! I put on about 25 lbs. of muscle, but I was prone to periods of rage.

So a lot of the people who post here must be using creatine!

[dallaskd]

Hes not a post, so its not like he needs to be big. But for any guy over 6'5 thats pretty weak.

[timvp]

Most players who make their living in the NBA as shooters don't bench press at all. In fact, some NBA teams have outlawed standard bench pressing because of how it can hurt flexibility.

[conversekid]

Are you serious? I was about to start lifting again, and was going to start that stuff.

creatine is harmless ... it forces water into the muscle cell ... unlike water retention that lives on the outside of the muscle... read meat has creatine. supplementing it will just give you a larger amount, allowing you to reap quicker gains and improved performance. but it's not going to give you rage - unless you prick your @$$ and shove in some D-Bol and test. Creatine does nothing to change hormone levels.

[ALVAREZ6]

Well that seems obvious for people of comparable builds. What does that have to do with your weight compared to that of Dwight Howard?

Dwight Howard is more or less proportionally equal to me, as a normal human being.

[johngateswhiteley]

Is it the ratio of wingspan to height, or wingspan to torso width that matters? If it's the latter, that makes sense because it would be more difficult to control the bar.

i hate getting involved in these types of conversations b/c there are so many people that don't know what they are talking about. durant's situation is simple:

1. he has long arms
2. he is young
3. he has puny shoulder width

of course, longer than proportionate arms will make it more difficult, but if you've noticed there are plenty of strong athletes that have long arms. those athletes just happen to have proportionate shoulder length.

[ang_mysteryo]

please find me that article!!! thats not true no player will be drafted in the nba if the cannot bench 135...get out of here

perhaps it's a 135 kilos....

[ChumpDumper]

Can any of you Mr. Olympias claim to be a better backetball player than Durant?

[ALVAREZ6]

i am sorry you went to a weak school. i benched 185 lbs in 8th grade and we had about 7 guys who benched more than i did...3 topped 200.

Maybe you guys are the exception. That's very good for middle school. Generally they don't start heavy lifting that early for fear of stunting growth.

[mardigan]

Are you serious? I was about to start lifting again, and was going to start that stuff.

Creatine is harmless, I took it for many years and never had any kind of imbalance. If someone else did that is probably a personal problem. It would make me cramp up sometimes, but Ive read that it can do that from time to time

[conversekid]

Can any of you Mr. Olympias claim to be a better backetball player than Durant?

not I ... and i'm no mr olympia... i'm just a broken down old has been