Tony Parker

[ShoogarBear]

I knew the usual suspects wouldn't be able to let this rest. I think they would rather have seen the Spurs lose because of horrible play by Tony than see a championship and him win the MVP.

[ArgSpursFan]

I knew the usual suspects wouldn't be able to let this rest. I think they would rather have seen the Spurs lose because of horrible play by Tony than see a championship and him win the MVP.

wrong,as usual.Never said Tony didn´t deserve the MVP,but I did say Manu deserved the finals MVP in 05 here many times,and I stand by what I say.
I don´t care what the stats say,but .......
05 Manu>07 Tony.
BTW,it´s great to finally see Tony in the same page as Timmy and Manu in important games like the playoffs and the finals.

[gregpschneid]

Tony was the 4th best point guard in the playoffs.

steve nash>jason kidd>deron williams> tony parker

[smeagol]

Where are the Beno > TP posts now?

[smeagol]

I agree
when manu is on he is soooooooooooooo good

Even after I give you props you hate on MG . . .

[timvp]

I believe they tried LeBron on him a few times there in Game 4.

That was for a couple possessions. And since when is LeBron a defensive stopper?

Parker went against Gibson, Snow, Hughes and LeBron in the series. Manu went against Pavlovic, Gibson and DJones. I'd say that's a little tougher road for Parker since Snow and LeBron are better defenders than Pavlovic and DJones.

Anyway, take your little snide shots at Manu all you want.

Link?

aaronstampler != Manu Ginobili

[ChumpDumper]

You could actually see Manu salivate when he saw Jones was on him.

[timvp]

Secondly, check this paragraph out, from Truehoop's Henry Abbott...


Underappreciated in this series: Manu Ginobili. (Thanks to TrueHoop reader Anthony for putting these numbers together based on Popcorn Machine box scores.) This is one of those instances when plus/minus can make you aware of something that wasn't otherwise evident. Consider this: over the four games of this series, the Spurs outscored the Cavaliers when Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, or Bruce Bowen were on the bench. But when Manu Ginobili was on the bench, they were -18. In total, the Spurs were +64 with Ginobili on the floor compared to when he was off, +22 with Duncan, +18 with Bowen, and +12 with Parker. (Even in his "miserable" 0-7 Game 3, Ginobili was +11, second only to Brent Barry.) Yet somehow Manu Ginobili didn't even enter the MVP discussion.

Next time use a calculator. Those numbers are way off.

[Extra Stout]

I would have to disagree on that,go back to the vids and you´ll see how the Cavs played D. on Manu and It looked very alike The spurs D on Lebron.Every time He got the ball and was trying to drive to the baskest the Difense would colapse on him with at least 3 guys on the paint.
I didn´t see that kind of agresive D on TP,I don´t know if it is coze Tony is faster tham Manu(It can be)or that Manu aint as fast as he was 2 years ago,in order to drive to the basket before getting double or triple teamed.

The Cavs flashed a big man at Tony every time the Spurs ran a pick-and-roll. He was the one matchup they could not contain, because their PG's were either injured (Hughes), old and slow (Snow), and young, slight, and green (Gibson). So they had to focus as a team on slowing him down. It didn't work.

[ChumpDumper]

@ the phrases "0-7 game 3" and "MVP discussion" in consecutive sentences.


A

(A+ if they had been in the same sentence)

[Extra Stout]

The two or three Manu holdouts who are actually bitter about the championship because Tony got MVP are worse than Sun fan.

[aaronstampler]

Not saying it in that particular post doesn't mean you didn't say it in this thread. I just was responding to that statement without quoting the specific post in which you said it...you know you said it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronstampler in post 156 of this thread


Viva Tony, but if he were on a different team without a Tim Duncan, he would be much less effective.

Um, it's pretty ed up to type something and pretend I wrote it. I never wrote anything like that. Post 156 on this thread isn't even mine. And I doubt I'd ever write anything as cheesy as "viva Tony"

Please don't make up involving me again.

[aaronstampler]

timvp > herpes > aaronstampler


You look for any opening you can to make it look like manu owns tony just like you snap at me or anyone else for criticizing manu when he plays like garbage.

You criticize him when he plays poorly and stay silent when he plays well. Next time you rip Tony for anything will be the first. You're a bandwagoner.

[aaronstampler]

I knew the usual suspects wouldn't be able to let this rest. I think they would rather have seen the Spurs lose because of horrible play by Tony than see a championship and him win the MVP.

That's ridiculous. I've been a Spurs fan longer than most of the people here and definitely longer than Kori. I believe Manu was 11 and Tony was 6 when I was a Spurs fan. So please get over yourself. I've rooted for them to win every game they played the last 18 years.

[aaronstampler]

Next time use a calculator. Those numbers are way off.

Like I said, those numbers were on Truehoop, Henry Abbott's site. And they were sent to him by some reader I think.


I believe Lenovo and Popcornmachine.net sometimes have discrepincies in their +/- numbers because one takes account guys coming into or out of the games on free throws and the other one doesn't take that into account.

If I had to guess, I'd guess Lenovo's numbers were more accurate, but I'm not positive. Just something for you to use for future reference...

[aaronstampler]

@ the phrases "0-7 game 3" and "MVP discussion" in consecutive sentences.


A

(A+ if they had been in the same sentence)

You realize I didn't write that, right? If I was Henry Abbott I'd be making a lot more money.

[whottt]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronstampler in post 156 of this thread


Viva Tony, but if he were on a different team without a Tim Duncan, he would be much less effective.

Um, it's pretty ed up to type something and pretend I wrote it. I never wrote anything like that. Post 156 on this thread isn't even mine. And I doubt I'd ever write anything as cheesy as "viva Tony"

Please don't make up involving me again.

LMAO man...fair enough, must have been the Manu av that threw me.

I am not going to go back to look and see if you wrote anything similar, I'll just take your word that you didn't...

And BTW, lmao I don't blame you for being offended at having that statement attributed to you...because it is an extremely lame statement. I would be too...and it is typical of what someone new to basketball and the board would say.

So I apologize.

[Corn on the Colb]

Nobody still thinks Parker is the best PG in the league, do they?

[aaronstampler]

Nobody still thinks Parker is the best PG in the league, do they?

I've got him 4th, behind Nash, Kidd, and Williams. Does Arenas count as a point? I guess he counts as a point, so maybe 5th.

Definitely would take him ahead of Billups (past his prime) and Baron Davis (health issues, shaky jumper) though.

Chris Paul might put up a challenge in a couple years too.

[whottt]

There's not a GM in the NBA that would give up Parker for Nash or Kidd.

[wildbill2u]

How many teams have three such great players that their fans have huge arguments with hundreds of posts over which player is best or which contributes the most?

I'll tell you how many. ZERO! Zilch! Ninguno!

We are so blessed with our Big Three I don't see how anyone can about any of them or deny how unselfishly complimentary they are to each other. They are so special in this regard.

[SequSpur]

[SpurOutofTownFan]

The truth will come out eventually.

[telecomguy]

I guess you didn't read the part where I said he was told to shoot 20-25 times a game in these playoffs. He's a score first point guard. It would be ridiculous to want him to pass all the time when he can get in the lane at will and score. The Spurs don't expect him to be a pass first point guard.

But as for great direction, there were plenty of games in this playoffs where his passing and vision were great. Look at his multiple games with seven or more assists, plus a few of the other games when he had around six assists but his teammates were bricking.

I don't think Parker can get to the rack at will and score. If you recall any matchups between TP and Devin Harris or Deron Williams, both Devin and Deron ouplayed TP by a wide-margin. TP has improved a great deal in the past few years. His turnover to assist ration in particular, and also he doen't just go barging into the paint into the arms of 3 bigs anymore without a plan or an outlet passing lane available so his basketball IQ has certainly improved. And his confidence level has increased to the point that he doesn't dissappear from the entire game if he gets off to a bad start (like yesterday) and is also more clutch at the end of tight games.

TP still doesnt really run the floor as well as a traditional PG (maybe because he isn't one and probably will never be one?) and so when his penetration or jumpers are failing him, Spurs offense tends to break down to isolating DUncan or Manu or forcing Barry or Finley to take tough contested jumpers.

Having said all that TP is improving slowly but surely and I certainly can't question his heart or fearlessness. Is he in top tier PG? No, not yet but he is definitely in the top of the second tier in my opinion. Once he starts to show that he can compete against top defensive teams when they deny him the paint/lanes, that is when I know he has truely become an elite player.

Manu by the way is playing incredible basketball right now. No questions asked that he is the best Spurs player in the first 13 games although DUncan is starting to come around to his usual dominant self. If we have these 3 clicking come playoff time, I don't care who we face, we should be able to repeat!

[Kori Ellis]

If you recall any matchups between TP and Devin Harris or Deron Williams, both Devin and Deron ouplayed TP by a wide-margin.

Yeah you are right. Like in the 2006 playoffs when Devin averaged 14 ppg and Parker could barely walk and averaged 20 ppg?