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scola is the better choice i dont know why people are interested more in noc......Scola is gonna rule the nba with supreme domination
As an Argie I have a negative opinion for Nocioni to the Spurs.
Nocioni's game, no matter that he is succesful, didn't translate well to the NBA.
He is too slow to play SF which is his natural position and where he excelled in Europe.
He is too short to play PF, anyway and because he is a beast he could play.-
I think that Scola would be a better fit, because is a pure PF.
scola is the better choice i dont know why people are interested more in noc......Scola is gonna rule the nba with supreme domination
beee cause the Spurs need a scoring and rebounding big small forward who also can defend some of the bigger forwards in the league?scola is the better choice i dont know why people are interested more in noc......
Noc is proven in the east....but we also need a dominating pf that can pick up the slack where duncan leaves off when he sits to rest....
Better than Vaughn
Enter Jackie Butler....
dominating? Not exactly.but we also need a dominating pf that can pick up the slack where duncan leaves off when he sits to rest....
Someone that can score in the post? Sure.
Enter jackie butler. On top of that, Jackie is a better rebounder, knows the defensive system well, and hes proven in the NBA.
While Scola is NOT a good rebounder, and not proven in the NBA.
SF >>>>>>> PF right now
Scola is proven in Europe. How is that any more convincing than having cut your teeth in the east?
Its all about team needs at this point and to try and get as many championships during Duncan Era as possible..
I don't actually think he is...he's more talented, but he's underachieves and doesn't bring much to the Bulls Team...Vaughn OTOH brings a lot of intangibles to the team that Duhon will never have. When you are talking about what role players are going to bring to the team, chemistry and lockerroom contributions are important.
I'd have to think a bit about even trading Beno for Duhon straight up.
Sign-and-trade deal could be forthcoming
By K.C. Johnson
Tribune staff reporter
July 2, 2007
Nobody can accuse Bulls general manager John Paxson of not being direct.
Agents and players say his philosophy in negotiations is to attempt to be fair, honest and above board.
Perhaps that's why Andres Nocioni is telling contacts in Argentina he wouldn't be surprised to be traded this summer.
Nocioni, 27, told those same contacts that Paxson informed him in his season-exit interview that the Bulls' No. 1 off-season goal is to acquire a scoring power forward.
That might even further limit minutes for the manic Nocioni, who happens to play both at power forward and the same small-forward position as a burgeoning All-Star in Luol Deng.
The Bulls respect and appreciate Nocioni's grit, determination and skill.
They would also gladly welcome the restricted free agent back—at the right price.
But if Nocioni, resting in his homeland after a serious bout with plantar fasciitis in his right foot, commands an offer sheet in the $6 million to $8 million range, expect the Bulls to explore sign-and-trade options.
The Spurs and Lakers are two teams that long have admired Nocioni's style of play.
Neither team has salary-cap room, meaning they only could offer the midlevel salary-cap exception, to be set July 11 at approximately $5.5 million.
The Bulls would match that salary.
But the Bulls might attempt to offer Nocioni, whose first choice is to return to the Bulls, as sign-and-trade bait in a larger deal as they monitor the Kevin Garnett sweepstakes in Minnesota and perhaps revisit talks with the Grizzlies regarding Pau Gasol.
Sunday marked the first day of the free-agent recruiting period. Players can agree to terms but are prohibited from signing contracts until July 11.
The Bulls, as expected, contacted representatives for available big men such as Chris Mihm, Melvin Ely, Joe Smith, Corliss Williamson, Marc Jackson and P.J. Brown.
Chicago-based agent Mark Bartelstein said on Sunday that Brown is out of the country until the middle of this week and hasn't decided if he will retire after a solid 14-year NBA career.
That also means Brown hasn't decided on whether he'd be amenable to a sign-and-trade scenario should the Bulls be able to interest a team to take his expiring contract as part of a larger deal.
Only the first year of Brown's signed-and-traded contract would have to be guaranteed, perhaps making it attractive to teams looking to trim payroll.
The Mavericks are one team that could express interest in Brown, who, as an unrestricted free agent, can sign with any team without involving the Bulls.
Bartelstein also represents Mikki Moore, who might interest the Bulls but is expected to re-sign with the Nets.
Mihm might be the most intriguing possibility for the Bulls, who are armed with the midlevel salary-cap exception as well as the biannual veteran's exception worth approximately $1.8 million.
Mihm averaged 10.2 points on 50.1 percent shooting and 6.2 rebounds in 59 games for the 2005-06 Lakers before missing all of last season following two ankle surgeries.
A person familiar with Mihm's status said the 7-footer isn't in game shape but is 100 percent physically and eager to play after his initial ankle injury and first surgery weren't diagnosed properly.
It's unknown if the Bulls contacted David Falk, the agent for Keith Van Horn, who, like Mihm, sat out last season after averaging 8.9 points for the Mavericks in 59 games in 2005-06.
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First of all....while Duhon's stats aren't that great, they eclipse Beno's stats.
Second, I understand the concerns about chemistry....but Duhon does play with alot of energy on the court and is a very sound defensive player.
He's flat-out, a better offensive player than Vaughn, and offers similar energy and defense. To me, it's a slam dunk.
I'd take Duhon over Vaughn and Beno.
I can't say that I know a whole of a lot about Duhon, but "underachiever" is the word that gets thrown around the most. Sometimes players benefit greatly from a change in scenery, but if this guy isn't getting it done for Scott Skiles I don't see him improving under a coach who is even more demanding like Pop.
If Duhon coming along is the price of admission I could live with it, but he'd probably end up in Pop's doghouse pretty quick. , he wouldn't even get new stuff, either. He'd be put in their with Beno's old collar and dishes.
I think most might know Duhon because he was suspened for a game (against the Spurs, might I add) for oversleeping and missing a practice. But he took the suspension like a man and went on.
I think there were also some stories about his frustration over being benched during his slump when Ben Gordon got inserted into the lineup. But, frustration when benched is to be expected.
IMO, this kid gets a bad rap. I think he would be a good fit with this Spurs unit.
I'm not sure that Mr. Johnson is aware that Nocioni has to agree to play for Minnesota for that to work. Maybe he would be for a load of cash, but that is a) far, far from a sure thing and b) the bigger the contract that he gets, the less payroll flexibility Minnesota gains from trading Garnett, thus lessening their willingness to do the deal.
There are reports that Duhon is an alcoholic and the Bulls want him to seek help. He's spent more time over the last two years in the tabloids in Chicago due to his bar hopping ways than on the court.
I used to like Duhon until he went Beno.
As far as Nocioni, he does have some downsides. He's more of a tweener than a small forward or a power forward. His jumper can go missing for games at a time.
But for what the Spurs need, he as perfect a fit as you could possibly get without giving up Tony or Manu in a trade. The only reason he is available is because the Bulls are loaded at his position.
Well, it's gotta be more than the MLE. What does a max MLE offer look like?
If the contract starts at $6M with 10% raises, that works out to a $36M contract over five seasons. Starting at $7M, it ends up at $42M over five seasons.
Sounds high, but that's the going price for Nocioni.
I think the MLE is reportedly coming in at just over $5.7M to start. I'm not sure though.
Both names have been discussed at this site and I apologize if its already been posted somewhere.
Five potential bargains
1. Andres Nocioni: "A sleeper as the best free agent available. Obviously, he's not a better player than Chauncey Billups, but [in the long term] he's a young, ascending player who has not even touched his prime yet [he'll turn 28 in November]. He was [improving by] leaps and bounds two seasons ago not just during the regular season, but also in the playoffs. He was routinely putting in 20 points a night and bringing an energy and toughness that every team in the league craves. He's a guy who helps you win. He kind of stalled last year [with his foot injury], but two years from now, I can see Nocioni being a better signing than Lewis."
2. Mickael Pietrus: "He's very inconsistent, but if he eventually became an above-average starter, that would not shock me. He is incredibly athletic. He has the ability to be a very good shooter, and if his mind-set is right, he can be a terrific defender. He could be the type of defender Bruce Bowen is, but with more offense to go with it. He's a streak shooter who could become better and end up being a of a player. If you sign him to a multiyear deal and at some point the light comes on, he's a pretty attractive option."
paul forrester cnn/si
It's a long fall from Nocioni to option number two.
I really have pretty much zero interest in Pietrus. Not at the price I'm hearing he'll go for.
Nocioni is a dream come true though. Make it so.
On a side note...
Matt Barnes hired Fegan as his agent. Adios Matt.
Pietrus is pretty damn good at 25 years old!!Yes, I agree it is a long fall but Noci has much more experience than Pietrus, but at 3 years younger he has more upside than Noci and could come a couple of mil cheaper as well! Again, team needs may not dictate a player like Pietrus this year though.
Some team with cap room will get a serious mancrush on him and seriously overpay. Typically my money is on Atlanta whenever it comes to NBA forwards...but they DID draft a PG this year, so who knows?
I don't think Matt Barnes was ever really a viable option though.
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