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He's not even a longshot now....
He might be when the NBA GMs tell him to take a hike at the price hes asking.
He's not even a longshot now....
that´s sounds about what Andres is seeking to get p/year if I´m not misstaken.
From what I keep hearing if Andres settles for the possible MLE ($5.7 mil) then the bulls will just re-sign him.
but they still need a bigger PF first,before resigning Andres.
Maybe the Scola +fillers trade for him could work too.
A max MLE contract is $31.3M with a $5.4M MLE.
If Kori's number is right ($5.7M), it's $33.1M.
If Bulls don't want to do a S&T and if Nocioni want to come to SA with a MLE contract, Spurs should try to make a full MLE offer.
There are too some CBA tricks to make the deal more difficult to match :
- You can put a trade kicker in Nocioni contract. Bulls will be less interested to match an offer if Nocioni is less tradable because of his trade kicker.
- With a signing bonus and by frontloaded the salary payment each year, you can have a contract where the team will have to give Nocioni $10M before october. Will Bulls match an offer if they have to give $10M to Nocioni this summer ?
These tricks likely won't be enough to get Nocioni but you had to try.
Then yeah, I'm guessing Nocioni's value is at very minimum around $38M over five years. It wouldn't shock me if someone gave him $40-45M.
Is he worth $40M to the Spurs over five seasons? I'd say so, as long as there are no concerns about his foot.
Yeah, I think there's a chance that the Bulls are bluffing about matching a full MLE offer. I know they don't want it to come to that, but they have to float that out there so that teams are more likely to do a sign and trade.
I wish there was a argentine report from a farmer seeing Pop riding in on a hog cart to talk to Andres.
Nocioni can too get a 6 years contract in a S&T.
Spurs can offer him a Rasho's contract ($42M/6 years).
I'm all for Udoka.
Anyone with me?
25 years old
sure.
Doubt the spurs would do it...
Paxson vows to retain Nocioni
Bulls GM also pursues Mihm, 76ers' Smith
By K.C. Johnson
Tribune staff reporter
Published July 3, 2007
The Bulls have a weekend free-agent visit confirmed with Chris Mihm and are trying to persuade Joe Smith to follow.
John Paxson's top two targets in the unrestricted free-agent market haven't deterred the Bulls' general manager from addressing the restricted free-agent market—namely, re-signing Andres Nocioni.
In perhaps his strongest comments to date regarding his intense forward, Paxson on Monday said he has been in consistent communication with Nocioni's representatives and vowed action in some form.
"They know we want Noce back," Paxson said. "We're in the process of trying to work something out. I know there's interest in Noce. Everybody would love to have him on their team.
"There are a few teams with [salary-]cap space that could potentially throw an offer sheet down. I've often said, and Jerry's [Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf] with me on this, we're going to match offer sheets. We're not going to lose a player for nothing."
The Grizzlies, Bucks, Bobcats and Magic are the only teams expected to own significant room when the salary-cap figures are set on July 11. As a restricted free agent, Nocioni could have any offer sheet matched by the Bulls, who also could include Nocioni in a sign-and-trade scenario.
"I haven't talked to anybody about that," Paxson said. "Our preference is to sign him outright. Sign-and-trades are difficult because everybody has to be on board. It has to be a destination the player wants. I think they're more last resort than anything else. We'd like to get something done with him because he's so valuable for us."
Paxson insists the Bulls have the financial resources to re-sign Nocioni and add an unrestricted free agent. The Bulls own the midlevel salary-cap exception of approximately $5.5 million, as well as the bi-annual veteran's exception of roughly $1.8 million.
"Financially, we're in good shape," Paxson said. "We know we have Luol Deng and Ben Gordon coming up [for extensions], but we're still in good shape even with those guys.
"I have a tough time letting a player go when there's really nothing there you can replace him with. Noce has been so much a part of what we've been about the last few years. He and Kirk [Hinrich] have done a lot to change this franchise in a positive way."
Nocioni, who is resting the plantar fasciitis in his right foot in Argentina, said in a late-season interview his first priority is to return to the Bulls. But he's also telling contacts in his native country he wouldn't be surprised if he was traded.
Nocioni said Paxson told him in his season-exit interview that adding a scoring big man is the Bulls' No. 1 off-season priority. With franchise-changing names such as Kevin Garnett and Pau Gasol possibly available this summer, Nocioni must figure he'd be expendable.
Paxson said he hasn't talked to the Grizzlies about Gasol, and "there's nothing going on" with the Timberwolves and Garnett.
"From what I can gather, the Wolves and a lot of other teams are taking a deep breath right now trying to look at the free-agent market and see if they can get better that way," Paxson said. "I even talked to a couple of teams [about trades after the draft]. But I need to let things settle too."
Paxson will do so by focusing on face-to-face meetings with Mihm and possibly Smith.
The 76ers have vowed to retain the 6-foot-10-inch Smith, who averaged 8.5 points and 23.1 minutes in 65 games with them and the Nuggets last season.
Paxson contacted Smith directly when the free-agent recruiting period opened at 11:01 p.m. Saturday, hoping to sell the Bulls' no-nonsense philosophy to a well-regarded team player.
The Bulls likely would offer Smith the full midlevel exception. Mihm, who missed all of last season following ankle surgery, wouldn't receive as high an offer from the Bulls.
Nocioni isn't the only restricted free agent Paxson is monitoring. Darko Milicic would interest the Bulls should the Magic woo Rashard Lewis and renounce their rights to the 7-footer.
But Nocioni, for now, is a priority.
"We want him here and, at the end of the day, he likes it here," Paxson said. "I'm not prepared to lose a player for nothing."
^ Paxson is a CIA type GM but if he isn't bluffing, it doesn't sound good. If he isn't lying, no teams have spoken to Bulls about a S&T.
http://chrisvernon.blogspot.com/2007...zzlies-gm.html
Wow, I called my shot. Today I posted on the blog that the Grizzlies needed to go after Andres Nocioni in free agency. I was told tonight that Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace is, in fact, in Argentina and is meeting with a free agent... Andres Nocioni. Great idea Mr. Wallace. Great idea.
I don't think Paxon is saying he won't let him go...
He's just saying, any team that thinks you can offer him a frontloaded 5 year MLE deal with a big trade kicker and sign him...you are are going to be disappointed.
And he's also telling the teams with cap space...you're going to have to overpay to get him, and your over priced offer is going to be tied up for two weeks.
Basically he's discouraging anyone from offering him a contract without trying to work a S&T with them.
He is willing to let him go...just not for nothing. And he says so many times in this article. At the same time, you know he's lying just a bit...if Nocioni gets a huge offer, they won't match it. The Bulls won't over-pay.
RE: Memphis
I don't think Nocioni really wants to play for the Grizzlies...but if they make him a stupid offer he'll probably go there, and the Bulls probably won't match.
Typical spurs.
Going after stiffs like Matt Carroll while Nocioni could be had.
http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/story.asp?id=328325
By Mike McGraw
Posted Tuesday, July 03, 2007
Chapu can’t escape: General manager John Paxson vowed to match any offer restricted free agent Andres Nocioni receives from another team.
“I have a tough time letting a player go when there’s really nothing there that you know you can replace him with,” Paxson said.
Trading Nocioni remains a slight possibility, and one potential target is Spanish league power forward Luis Scola, whose rights are held by San Antonio. Paxson said he always has liked Scola and has inquired about his availability.
“My preference is to sign (Nocioni) outright,” Paxson said. “We’d like to get something done with him because he’s so valuable to us.”
Paxson said he always has liked Scola and has inquired about his availability.
YOUR ING LOADED AT THE THREETrading Nocioni remains a slight possibility, and one potential target is Spanish league power forward Luis Scola, whose rights are held by San Antonio. Paxson said he always has liked Scola and has inquired about his availability
YOU CAN HAVE SCOLA!!
I'll pay his ing first class ticket from spain if you trade Nocioni.
GODDAMNT SPURS GET ON THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A trade makes so much sense. I seriously think Scola could end up starting for the Bulls and average something like 15 and 7. That would be the perfect situation for Scola. Him and Ben Wallace would be the perfect tandem.
Scola on the Spurs doesn't make a huge amount of sense. The Spurs are about defense, ball movement and selfless play. Scola doesn't fit any of that. Scola is a low post scorer who wants and needs the ball to be effective.
Nocioni, on the other hand, isn't really needed on the Bulls due to all their young players who play the same position. On the Spurs, Nocioni would be a seamless fit.
so how come pop isn't like the Memphis GM and down there talkin to him....
Youre man crush is going to Reggie Evans levels, brah.
Could have been a funny joke but you quoted a post where timvp barely said anything about Nocioni.
Smack: B+
Execution: D-
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