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A team looking to shed 3 mil in salary next summer.
I like the butler+beno+Scola scenario much better than barry..Lets face it butler has 2 more years (6mil left) and he is not going to get the playing time he needs with the spurs..Time to open up some roster spots for cheaper young players who need development.
A team looking to shed 3 mil in salary next summer.
Nocioni probably is going to sign an offer from Memphis, and Paxon don´t want to leave Nocioni for nothing
What about: The Spurs trades the Scola Right and other player to Chicago for a Memphis player?
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Apologies if already posted. Nothing about the Spurs so much, but it says where Nocioni is at salary-wise.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/featu...2=stateChanged
$38M Offer On The Table
Jul 5 - The Memphis Grizzlies are weighing their options with interest in Andres Nocioni as well as Cavaliers restricted free agent Anderson Varejao.
A source said the Bulls' five-year offer to Nocioni starts near $6.3 million to $6.4 million for the first season. Factoring in a 10.5 percent increase of the first season's salary annually, the total package sits at approximately $38.1 million to $38.7 million.
The Bulls could increase that offer and also would have seven days to match any offer sheet Nocioni signed with Memphis. GM John Paxson has vowed to match any offers for his hyperactive forward. -- Chicago Tribune
The Grizzlies' unleashed a full-scale recruitment of Chicago's restricted free agent Andres Nocioni. Not only did GM Chris Wallace fly to Argentina to meet with Nocioni to sell Memphis and the Griz, head coach Marc Iavaroni joined the discussions via telephone. Pau Gasol even phoned Nocioni to present a convincing pitch.
The Griz still have not tendered an offer to Nocioni. Chicago would have seven days to match whenever Nocioni receives an offer. -- Memphis Commercial-Appeal
Nocioni may not even agree to sign an offer sheet because that would limit his options this summer. Once the Bulls match an offer, Nocioni still could be traded after Dec. 15 with his permission, but he could not go to the team that tendered the offer sheet.
Nocioni enjoys playing for the Bulls, but he also realizes he could have a greater role on a different team, since the Bulls already have Luol Deng at small forward. -- Arlington Heights Daily Herald
You can't do it because it doesn't work under the CBA.
If you wnat to know how BYC work, read that post :
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=105
Butler's last year is a team option.
The playing time for Center is split between Oberto and Elson. While Oberto is firmly entrenched to give his 20 minutes a night, I'm not so sure about Elson.
Elson is constantly out of place defensively, doesn't play well off of Duncan, doesn't rebound well, and is only under contract for one more year.
So, I have to disagree with you about Butler. If he is impressive enough in the summer league (assuming he's on the roster) and in training camp, I could see a scenario where Butler supplants Elson in the rotation this year and certainly a scenario where he is the likely candidate for minutes at the position the year after.
I also have reservations about the Spurs dumping their only two bigs outside of Duncan that have ability in the low post. While I think the Spurs only really need one of them...they AT LEAST need one.
Finally, I think that Barry would be a more attractive trade piece than Butler or Bonner. He is a proven veteran, a solid shooter, and a guy that can play the PG position....which would be beneficial when paired up with the undersized Gordon.
Giving them Barry, Scola, and maybe Udrih provides them with a shooter, an inside scorer, and a replacement on the roster for Duhon.
Ok, I understand how BYC players work under the CBA, but what I don't understand is why is Nocioni considered a BYC? That was never really explained. What requirements does a player have to fulfill to fall into this category?
A player who re-sign with his team or sign an extension is BYC if he gets a raise bigger than 20%.
If I understand correctly, this doesn't apply if he's signed and traded at the same time. It only applies if he's first signed, and then later traded.
Is that right?
That's possible.
Even what we can see from the outside looking in, it looks like Nocioni is a longshot. Maybe Paxson is telling our front office something that makes it a no shot. It's possible that their potential interest in Scola has been vastly overstated.
BYC apply too for sign and trade (Nocioni case if he is traded to SA).
What does BYC stand for?
Base year compensation
If you want to learn more about that :
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#73
Oh, so the BYC only counts on the outgoing from the team that signs and not both ways. I did not know that. Thanks.
Oberto was in his 2nd year. Most players in the Spurs system have problems their first yearbut do better (e.g., Finley, Oberto, Barry) their sop re seasons. Now that Elson's learning curve is past, look for good things next season.
He runs the floor better and his shot is more extended than Oberto's.
Oberto did better in his second season because he was given the opportunity for PT, with Rasho and Nazr being gone.Oberto was in his 2nd year. Most players in the Spurs system have problems their first year
Granted, there is an advantage to learning a system for one year, so logically a player should be better as they spend more time with a club....but keep in mind this is also Jackie Butler's second season.
I guess it just boils down to a difference of opinion. I think that if Jackie was given the opportunity, he would out-produce Elson in virtually every category....except the flamboyance/animation after a dunk.
I hope you're right, but I think using Oberto is comparing apples to oranges. Oberto was a proven international performer who was getting accustomed to the Spurs, the NBA, and living in the USA all at once. Elson has been in the league for a few years, hasn't shown much improvement in those years, and isn't a proven performer for anyone in the past. I hope he improves greatly, but it's not likely.Oberto was in his 2nd year. Most players in the Spurs system have problems their first year
damit!!!
5 yrs 46 M????????????????
It is a generally agreed opinion that players are generally much improved in their second season with the Spurs. In fact, that opinion is so readily tossed out by your average poster that it has become downright repe ive. But their are definite facts to indicate that its true. Well consider this:
Francisco Elson
Jackie Butler
James White
Jacque Vaughn
Matt Bonner
All of these players spent their first season with the Spurs last year...and all of them are expected to return. While it is possible that none of them shown such a significant improvement next season, it is probably more likely that at least one of them will show a Oberto-esque growth overnight. Having just one of these guys explode with growth will vastly improve this team, and I don't think it is unrealistic.
...now consider if more than one of them does this.
I guess you guys just didnt get Xamila Rey´s Post.
Nocioni just got a 5 yrs 46 M offer from the Memphis Grizl.
This is ing crazy.
A very tempting thought to be sure....It is a generally agreed opinion that players are generally much improved in their second season with the Spurs. In fact, that opinion is so readily tossed out by your average poster that it has become downright repe ive. But their are definite facts to indicate that its true. Well consider this:
Francisco Elson
Jackie Butler
James White
Jacque Vaughn
Matt Bonner
All of these players spent their first season with the Spurs last year...and all of them are expected to return. While it is possible that none of them shown such a significant improvement next season, it is probably more likely that at least one of them will show a Oberto-esque growth overnight. Having just one of these guys explode with growth will vastly improve this team, and I don't think it is unrealistic.
...now consider if more than one of them does this.
But I also think that improvements can go unnoticed if a player lacks the opportunity to prove their worth.
I seriously wonder....if Butler dominates the Summer League and has a good showing in camp, does he even suit up every night, let alone earn minutes in a regular spot in the rotation?
With the number of veterans in front of him, I'm not so sure....
And I think the chances are even less likely for a guy like White or Williams. If either of those guys dominate, do you really think they're earning minutes in front of Barry or Fin?
Sadly, I'm not sure than any of the second-year stars I hope to succeed will end up doing so...not because of lack of talent, but because of lack of opportunity.
Okay, that was my pessimistic post of the day....
Here's hoping that Butler kicks ass in the off-season and unseats Elson for regular time....
Did he sign it?
An offer is only good with a signature indicating the player is interested....
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