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    He was offered the contract by Memphis....does he have to accept it then the Bulls can match or not? Or can he refuse it? (Not that he would)

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    He was offered the contract by Memphis....does he have to accept it then the Bulls can match or not? Or can he refuse it? (Not that he would)
    He can refuse it....

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    He was offered the contract by Memphis....does he have to accept it then the Bulls can match or not? Or can he refuse it? (Not that he would)
    I´m not sure how it works,but it´s not on papper yet.
    The article says that Memphis is going after him very seriusly,and Memphis thinks that Chicago wont be able to mutch the offer.

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    He was offered the contract by Memphis....does he have to accept it then the Bulls can match or not? Or can he refuse it? (Not that he would)
    Of course he can refuse it...he doesn't HAVE to sign a contract at all. He could retire if he wanted. Or sign for far less than hes worth or whatever. But any contract that he signs (in the NBA that is) can be matched by the Bulls and brought over to Chicago again.

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    He can refuse it....
    That is what I thought. Too bad he probably won't be a Spur.

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    I don´t think He´ll refuse to 6M Dollars extra.
    I wouldn´t.
    Funny thing is,Memphis feels like Chicago wont be able to offer him that kind of money.
    We´ll see what happens.

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    Just a question (maybe two).
    If Nocioni don't come to us (Chicago or Memphis) do you think the management will bring Scola offering him some good money (like the mle) or still try to trade his rights to Chicago or someone else (maybe Memphis, if Chapu goes there) ?

    I can tell you I'd like Scola to come here to prove himself in the nba...and I'm scared his time is only now!...also 'cause I think (second question) that next year we'll have the chance to give the 500.000 k only for one player (Splitter) and, in the meantime, Scola could just decide his time for nba has passed (and take some offer from Tau or somebody else in Europe)...

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    Just a question (maybe two).
    If Nocioni don't come to us (Chicago or Memphis) do you think the management will bring Scola offering him some good money (like the mle) or still try to trade his rights to Chicago or someone else (maybe Memphis, if Chapu goes there) ?
    No. The Spurs already have their big men quota filled, after re-signing Oberto and Bonner, and keeping Horry. There's no room for Scola. Besides, they didn't even want him there was room for him, even though they could have had him. The only chance of seeing Scola in the NBA the next season is having the Spurs trade his NBA rights. Which appears to be pretty damn hard.

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    Just a question (maybe two).
    If Nocioni don't come to us (Chicago or Memphis) do you think the management will bring Scola offering him some good money (like the mle) or still try to trade his rights to Chicago or someone else (maybe Memphis, if Chapu goes there) ?

    I can tell you I'd like Scola to come here to prove himself in the nba...and I'm scared his time is only now!...also 'cause I think (second question) that next year we'll have the chance to give the 500.000 k only for one player (Splitter) and, in the meantime, Scola could just decide his time for nba has passed (and take some offer from Tau or somebody else in Europe)...
    I don't think so, either. It sure looks at this point like the Spurs are fishing with what they have. Scola won't just not be a Spur, he won't be in the NBA this next year, heightening the likelihood he'll never come over.

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    BYC apply too for sign and trade (Nocioni case if he is traded to SA).
    does a Barry + Scola's Rights work if Noc will accept $40m instead?

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    Thanks!
    However, I think that second thoughts are never too late till they're possible, olso if the roster for bigs looks, as of now, complete...(who knows if, via trade, some roster spot suddenly become available...?)

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    However, I think that second thoughts are never too late till they're possible, olso if the roster for bigs looks, as of now, complete...(who knows if, via trade, some roster spot suddenly become available...?)
    Scola needs to define his situation in the next 10 days. As for freeing up a roster spot via trade, it's not doable within that time frame. Horry is retiring next year. He's not going anywhere. Neither is Bonner, who's just signed a 3 year contract. There's still that Duncan fellow left though. Well, we can only hope.

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    Won't happen, looks like Nocioni is gonna go with the Grizzlies...

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    So LJ, is Nocioni worth this contract?

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    Can Nocioni play D?

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    So LJ, is Nocioni worth this contract?
    Like I said earlier:

    I don't see that as an outrageous offer. If a one-dimensional spot up shooter is worth $24M in Kapono, then Nocioni is easily worth $46M. Probably more if you base it on Kapono logic.
    I'd rather pay Nocioni $56M over five years than Kapono $24M over four.

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    http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....ulls-headlines


    Memphis falling short in Nocioni running

    By K.C. Johnson
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    July 5, 2007, 11:21 PM CDT


    The Bulls brought unrestricted free agent Joe Smith to the Berto Center on Thursday to sell their franchise and philosophy and, by the way, hint at throwing some millions around.

    Despite a transcontinental flight to woo Andres Nocioni personally in his native Argentina, all indications are the Memphis Grizzlies aren't doing enough of the latter with the Bulls' restricted free agent.

    Barring an unforeseen change of philosophy, league sources said the Grizzlies, who have made an oral offer not much better than the Bulls' written offer, wouldn't increase their pursuit of Nocioni.

    While nothing is official until Nocioni signs, all signs point to Nocioni accepting Bulls general manager John Paxson's five-year deal worth near $38 million, perhaps within days.


    When Paxson took the rare move of proactively offering a restricted free agent that deal, which runs counter to Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf's philosophy of not setting the market, it merely backed up his season-long stance that Nocioni is valuable and needs to be re-signed.

    Even if the Grizzlies reached a $46 million offer that was reported erroneously in the Argentine media, the Bulls would have seven days to match because they still own his rights.

    A $46 million offer might give Paxson pause. As of late Thursday, however, all indications were that the Grizzlies, who also are considering Cavaliers' restricted free agent Anderson Varejao, were prepared to move on.

    The Bulls were pleased that Smith flew in from Phoenix to meet with the coaching staff and Paxson at the Berto Center. The 12-year NBA veteran averaged 8.5 points and 6.2 rebounds in 65 games with the Nuggets and 76ers last season and is one of their main targets in free agency.

    Sixers general manager Billy King has said publicly that re-signing the 6-foot-10-inch forward is a priority, and Smith, who played at Maryland, has a comfort level in the East.

    But the Bulls, who likely would have to spend most or all of the midlevel salary cap exception of roughly $5.5 million to sign Smith, sold their vision and opportunity to win during a lunch with Smith, Paxson and coach Scott Skiles.

    A similar recruiting pitch will follow Friday with Nets big man and Bulls-killer Mikki Moore. Saturday, Lakers center-forward Chris Mihm, who missed all of last season following ankle surgery, will visit the Berto Center.

    The Bulls have the midlevel exception as well as the biannual veteran's exception of $1.83 million no matter what happens with Nocioni. But re-signing Nocioni and seeing how that contract is structured would help with some unrestricted free agent decisions and remains the priority.

    It appears less so for the Grizzlies.

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    So, it's likely the end for the Nocioni hope.

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    http://www.ole.com.ar/notas/2007/07/06/01451733.html

    Olé insists with the $46 million figure. It says it'd be a contract starting at $8 million. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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    If the Bulls are going to sign him - they would still have a week or so from now to decide if Scola is what they want and can strike a deal using Nocioni, correct?

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    I'm not going to say Nocioni is a goner...but it doesn't look great. But who knows?

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    http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/...617355,00.html

    Chicago likely will retain Nocioni
    Wallace indicates report of $46 million deal unfounded


    By Ronald Tillery
    July 6, 2007


    Once a full-scale pursuit, the Grizzlies' attempt to acquire restricted free agent Andres Nocioni now appears dead in the water.

    Nocioni likely will re-sign with the Chicago Bulls because the Grizzlies verbally indicated an offer that is in the same neighborhood as what the Bulls are ready to pay in order to keep the 6-7 forward.


    Chicago's offer on the table is a five-year, $38 million deal. It is believed the Griz came in lower -- closer to a figure starting at about the mid-level exception ($5.5 million).

    Typically, teams would wait before deciding whether to match an official offer tendered to its free agent. Because of Nocioni's restricted status, the Bulls could match an offer from another team within seven days.

    The proactive move by Bulls general manager John Paxson indicates how much he values Nocioni.

    Griz general manager Chris Wallace insisted Wednesday that the Griz hadn't tendered an offer to any free agents, contradicting an Argentinian newspaper report that said Memphis offered Nocioni a $46 million deal.

    The Griz are expected to have up to $9 million in salary cap room to spend on a free agent. Milwaukee and Charlotte are the only other teams with money to spend that is more than the mid-level exception.

    The Griz have also expressed interest in Cleveland restricted free agent Anderson Varejao, and are said to be working on contingency plans now that a Nocioni deal is unlikely.

    Wallace, though, traveled to Argentina earlier this week to meet with Nocioni. Griz coach Marc Iavaroni and franchise player Pau Gasol phoned in to help sell Nocioni on Memphis.

    Although teams can't sign free agents until Wednesday, Nocioni can re-sign with his current team (Chicago) at any time.

    In 53 games last season, Nocioni averaged 14.1 points and 5.7 rebounds.

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    So now's the time for the Spurs to enter the fray.

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