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Just thought i would bump this thread. How can i have a look at Spurs salaries in future years, anyone have a good site? I just wanna see what were lookin at with Duncan's new contract in 09/10???
Thanks
I have no reason to doubt Bruno.
Keep in mind that a minimum-salaried free agent would actually count $770,610 for luxury tax purposes.
Just thought i would bump this thread. How can i have a look at Spurs salaries in future years, anyone have a good site? I just wanna see what were lookin at with Duncan's new contract in 09/10???
Thanks
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm
- Duncan extension not added -
ah gotcha i was searchin on insidehoops but all i could find was individual salaries....thanks
Jackie Butler is going to make 2.4 mil just to sit on the bench this year, ah yes you gotta love guranteed contracts.
What bench?
Did they get rid of him i did not hear that?
Thanks, well he is still getting paid anyway, wish i could make 2.4 mil to suck so bad no team will put me in a game.
Wasn't there a claim that the Spurs paid Spanoulis something- like maybe about $500,000.
There have too been some rumor that Panathinaikos give Spurs under the table money (which is against the CBA) but nothing really reliable.
We don't know for sure if Spurs have given some money to Spanoulis.
I think that Spurs haven't given money to Spanoulis because it's the most logical choice. There is too a strong hint of that : Spanoulis has been "released" and not "waived" like other players. The only other player "released" this summer was Derek Fisher and he has left Utah without getting a dollar from them.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...dime-071201-02If the season ended today, 11 teams would be taxpayers, with the Lakers now carrying the 10th-highest tax bill from that group. There are an additional six teams less than $1 million away from the $67,865,000 threshold, with San Antonio closest to the line at just under $30,000 away after shedding Beno Udrih's contract just before the season started.
Thanks for the info.
After a little research, they have a different number of mine because I've made a mistake.
Vaughn salary doesn't count for $770,610 against the tax/cap but for $1,219,590.
Vets with more than 2 years of service count as vet with 2 years of service against the cap only if they have signed a contract for one year or less (ten days or remaining of the season). Vaughn signed a two years contract and doesn't enter in this category.
With this mistake corrected, Spurs salary is $67,812,409. Spurs are $55K under the tax. the number is close to espn's one, it's possible that they have given some guaranteed money to training camp invite or that one salary is wrong by a small margin.
It put a new light on some choices made by Spurs this summer :
- Spurs low-balling Mahinmi by giving him 80% of the rookie scale makes more sense because it has allowed Spurs to go under the tax.
- Spurs waiving Marcus Williams makes also more sense. It was him or Washington. Spurs couldn't have kept both and stay under the tax.
With Spurs being that close of the luxury tax, they won't sign a 15th player. Even a 10 days contract will put them over the tax. If Spurs do a trade or waive Washington they will have the financial flexibility to sign someone else. However I don't see Spurs waiving Washington after what he has done with Spurs during the training camp and the start of the regular season and if he continues to play well in D-League. I don't see Spurs doing a trade unless there is a big weakness in the team or Spurs have a great opportunity. The only thing Spurs could maybe do is to sign someone something like two days before the playoffs but it seems very unlikely. Barring a surprise, Spurs will be one more year without a long SF.
Interesting... surely RC would pay a 15th guy on a 10-dayer if there was an injury... probly not..
Were in a good position
That sucks. Basically the Spurs have no roster flexibility at all. Even if a player on Austin explodes, they'd cost too much to sign.with San Antonio closest to the line at just under $30,000 away after shedding Beno Udrih's contract just before the season started.
For the Spurs to sign someone, they'd either have to waive Washington or salary dump someone like Mahinmi.
Nice find though, tinysands
It does make me wonder why the Spurs would sign DerMarr Johnson to the Toros. If they have no room to potentially sign him to the big league team, why stunt the growth of other small forwards who could develop in the system like Bow2n and Williams? That doesn't make sense to me. Unless the Spurs/Toros just aren't high on either Bow2n or Williams and want to actually win games.
What's the latest estimate of how much of a penalty it will be to go over the luxury tax threshold this year? If the Spurs sign someone like Johnson, how much will that actually end up costing them after adding up all the penalties?
Thanks.
He could be the explanation of the Johnson signing.
About Spurs being low on Williams :
When you look at Spurs move this summer, after the July moves( Oberto, Vaughn, Bonner and The Trade), Spurs have sign Udoka and Mahinmi.
First, they have low-balled Udoka and Mahinmi with and end up $820K under the threshold (outside Udrih who was on the trading block). It likely means that Spurs were envisaging the possibility to have a 14th player paid the min and who would cost $770K against the tax and not Williams who cost $427K against the tax.
Second, they signed Udoka, that is to say a defensive SG/SF. Williams was introduced as a defensive SG/SF. I tend to think that Spurs wouldn't have signed Udoka if they were high on Williams. It was the same thing that Spurs drafting Williams meaning that they weren't high on White.
They had maybe given up on him as fast as you that is to say during summer leagues.
I don't see something hinting that Spurs are high on Bow2n. Chumpdumper is high on him but he isn't Spurs.
I think the penalty for being $1 above the tax will be around $2M.
Signing someone like Johnson will cost something like $3M.
Spurs/Toros could also have signed Johnson as an insurance policy.
In the case Spurs do a trade at the deadline, they could be happy to have a cheap long SF solution available with Johnson.
It is not the likely case for the moment but who knows what will happen in 2 months. Spurs could decide to dump Mahinmi, Bonner or Udoka.
I think the Spurs are using some shotgun techniques to fill pretty much all positions on the Toros like they did the point guard slot. They're just taking the most talented players they have available to them and seeing if they can play in a Spurs system. I believe they were pretty low in the order of teams to pick up newly available players like DerMarr in the first place. LA and Colorado are now at the top of the list since they had players called up -- we might not have even gotten DerMarr if Jelani McCoy had been called up any sooner.
I doubt the Spurs are concerned about a minutes crunch in any position on the Toros. After getting the assignees their 30-35 minutes, they'll probably just give the minutes to whomever they like or want to see in a particular game. It's not like the players are on big contracts or in a position to complain to the press.
As far as the luxury tax goes, Holt has been talked into going over before though breaking it for a D-Leaguer is a pretty hard sell. We should always keep in mind the possibility of some cap room and/or open roster spots resulting from a trade.
The two most likely to be moved at this point are probably Elson and/or Bonner.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...dime-071208-09
Just found this interesting - the Spurs are just $27,591 under the threshold.
Does this pretty much mean that the last roster spot will remain unfilled, assuming no trades?
If the Spurs keep winning over 80% of their games, I don't see why they would do anything.
Thanks for the link.
Filling the last spot will cost a lot money. Teams are paying $77M in Luxury tax, so signing a min player for the rest of the season will cost :
- $2.6M less in luxury tax redistribution.
- At least $320K in salary (more if it is a vet).
- $500K in luxury tax.
The $500K and $320K will lower because it's prorated on the season but the $2.6M won't change a lot. Even signing a player in March will cost more than $3M. Spurs will spend $3M on a player only if he is only a of a prospect and finding that kind of players in the middle of a season seems very unlikely.
It looks like also that Spurs had guaranteed $30K to players cut at the end of the training camp. Washington guaranteed money should also have been under $25K.
Spurs have been lucky to find a player like Washington given that they have spend little money on their training camp players.
With all the trade talks, I figure it was a good time to make an update about Spurs luxury tax situation.
So, Spurs salaries against the luxury tax are :
Tim Duncan -- $19,014,188
Tony Parker -- $10,500,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,079,811
Brent Barry -- $5,544,370
Bruce Bowen -- $4,125,000
Robert Horry -- $3,630,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,500,000
Michael Finley -- $3,103,000
Francisco Elson -- $3,000,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,700,000
Ime Udoka -- $1,000,000
Jacque Vaughn -- $1,219,590
Ian Mahinmi -- $625,840
Darius Washington -- $290,112
Marcus Williams -- $31,731
Keith Langford -- $58,929
Dermarr Johnson -- $54,396
Jeremy Richardson -- $90,660
Damon Stoudamire -- $335,442
Money given to training camp players -- $25,000
Spurs total salary against the luxury tax -- $67,928,069
The luxury tax threshold is $67.865M, Spurs are $63,069 over it.
Spurs' reckless experiments with D-League make them to go above luxury tax threshold
Marcus Williams -- $31,731
Keith Langford -- $58,929
Dermarr Johnson -- $54,396
Jeremy Richardson -- $90,660
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