Against the Spurs we'll just use KT on Duncan.
Marion on Duncan???? LMAO you really are a dumbass. There is no way that Marion can physically guard Duncan while giving up 5 inches and about 30-40 pounds.OH WOW! The Spurs have found a loop hole that allows them to start six players to everyone else's five. Either that or you found away to genetically combine Finley and Ginobili into a single player.
Nice try bag!
I've already done this:
Parker - Bell
Finley - Hill
Bowen - Nash
Duncan - Marion
Oberto - Amare (or you can switch these last two).
Against the Spurs we'll just use KT on Duncan.
Good Luck Grant Hill, then.........I wonder how much Steve Kerr figured in on sealing the deal.
___________________________
“They do a great job of their system and staying true to form,
making big plays in big moments,” Suns coach Mike D'Antoni
told reporters in Phoenix on Thursday. “That's what we're
trying to get. Mental toughness, being lucky, I don't know
what it is.”
The Spurs, D”Antoni added, just seem to “believe a little bit
more.”
“All the time,” he said.
Um, it was an either/or type thing. You know, 'subs utions' as you so aptly put it.OH WOW! The Spurs have found a loop hole that allows them to start six players to everyone else's five. Either that or you found away to genetically combine Finley and Ginobili into a single player.
Nice try bag!
I've already done this:
Parker - Bell
Finley - Hill
Bowen - Nash
Duncan - Marion
Oberto - Amare (or you can switch these last two).
Matrix on Tim Duncan.So you thump your chest about matchups, but your solution is to put Marion on Tim Duncan? No wonder your team is fishing in May every year.
Um, it was an either/or type thing. You know, 'subs utions' as you so aptly put it.
Matrix on Tim Duncan.
So the Spurs will have to adjust their starting lineup depending on whether or not Grant Hill is starting or not?
Sounds like a good signing to me.
Oh..and if the Spurs have the option to start Ginobili in your newest "hypothetical" situation, then the Suns will start Kurt Thomas!
Parker - Marion
Ginobili - Bell
Bowen - Nash
Oberto - Amare
Duncan - KT
Eventually, the Spurs will have to sub in Finley or Barry and the Suns can go with Hill.
Again, I like that matchup for the Suns.
This article pretty much nails it:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19621196/
There is no need to adjust because of Hill. You see people, it's all about the cause and effect of a signing... You want to get fans pumped up? Sign a name, sign a has been, sign guaranteed potential...
This week the headlines were: Spurs resign Vaughn and Bonner. You know what, that isn't even news. Who the else was going to sign these tools? Ummm nobody... And yet Bonner got triple the minimum for his ty talent... What the is that?
Grant Hill is on the front page of CNN, ESPN, Fox, etc. blah blah blah..... Will it amount to ? Probably not... but the Spurs got the end of the deal again.
It has nothing to do with four championships, it's about the free agent scoreboard which san antonio is showing with Bonner and Vaughn.... What a nightmare.
Suns are OLD!!! /confused Suns fan
THAT scoreboard dont count until the end of the season.... Come on Sequ.... your slippin man.
S0ns still can't play defense.
No defense=no championship
old ass grant hill with those bum ankles in that sun's offense. i cant wait to see that
You need to own a box of condemns so you dont reproduce...I really pissed you off didn't I?
If youre gonna argue with me, you better bring better than "The Ginobili Theory".
I own you pal.
wow that actually made m laugh out loud
Ken Griffey is having a great year. But Hill is not going to help Phoenix much.
Hey tool...when does summer school start?
You are the most worthless poster I've ever seen.
Seriously, you go from thread to thread saying the exact same thing over and over.
And LMAO at someone making jokes about the Suns when they cheer for the San Antonio Evas.
I think this is a pretty big deal. Obviously, the Spurs would have loved to have had him, but he would have been buried on the bench.
The big problem is, this gives the Suns another professional, hustle-guy like Nash. Not only that, it’s a guy who can actually teach Marion how to play, as opposed to just living off natural ability. – maybe this is the guy who can make Stoudemire act like he gives a damn.
Before, the “veteran leader off the bench” guy over there was Kurt Thomas. Yeah – I think Grant Hill is a pretty big upgrade on that front.
Hopefully, one of these foreign guys the Spurs have been waiting on from previous drafts comes in and makes a big contribution. They need a little something new to ensure that they keep pace with Phoenix.
Phoenix fans are always complaining about their owner and how he wants to avoid the luxury tax. Isn't that why the Suns have reputedly put Marion on the block? Is the Hill signing a signal that they may replace Marion with Hill?
If so, do you think the Suns will be better off? I don't. This may foreshadow a coming weakness in the Suns as opposed to an upgrade.
Hill was brought in to replace James Jones.
And even if they did trade marion, they wouldn't give him away for free.
Grant Hill was offered the Suns' biennial exception, which will pay him $1.83 million in the coming season and give him a player option to return at $1.97 million for 2008-09.
Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Jul. 5, 2007 10:10 PM
When Suns fans last saw Grant Hill at US Airways Center in January, he was being defended by Raja Bell as Shawn Marion blocked a last-minute attempt to cut a Phoenix lead that had been 18 points to 1.
Hill decided he would like to be between Marion and Bell a lot more - as part of a starting lineup. Hill agreed to terms Thursday with Phoenix on a two-year, $3.8 million contract, including a player option for 2008-09. All that consternation during the past week's recruiting process turned out to be unnecessary, because Hill favored Phoenix all along.
Hill was attracted to the chance to win a championship, because he turns 35 in October and has never been past the playoffs' first round. He was lured by a system that fits his versatile skills and de-emphasizes practice labor, a major point for a man who has undergone five ankle surgeries since 2000. Hill's desire to maintain a significant role was met when Phoenix told him he could start alongside Bell, Marion, Steve Nash and Amaré Stoudemire.
After averaging 30.9 minutes last year, Phoenix expects Hill to play 25 to 30 minutes. His playmaking provides more options because the Suns can run an offense through him as a "point forward" and they can play pick-and-roll with him because of his strong decision-making and reliable midrange shot. Swing's note: More playmaking and someone besides Nash to score from mid-range consistently. Of course Diaw could.....
Those facets made money less of a factor, particularly after Hill has earned $124 million in the league, not to mention endorsements. The Suns did move from an initial veteran's minimum offer of $1,219,590 to their biennial exception, available every two years and last used for Brian Grant. Hill will make $1.83 million this season and get $1.97 million in the next if he chooses to return. Swing's note: Frugal, not cheap. Sarver loves us, he just has a weird damn way of showing it.....
"I just thought it was a good fit," Hill told the Orlando Sentinel. "I took a look at a lot of teams and the Suns were just at that next level. The Suns, it just seemed like they wanted me.
"I like their style of play and they have a real shot at winning a championship. It was just very appealing."
Hill picked Phoenix over Detroit, San Antonio, Orlando, Miami and Dallas. His agent, Lon Babby, said the chance to contribute to a championship topped Hill's wish list and was a mix of good fortune for Phoenix, whose luxury tax situation limited what it could do on the free agent market this summer.
"The opportunity described to him is consistent with what he's looking for," Babby said. "He's not someone looking for anything granted to him but more that he'd have the opportunity to start.
"He's a special guy. He's a great basketball player but his personal qualities are even more important."
Nash, who put in a recruiting call to Hill this week, stands to benefit as much as anyone after two long seasons of increased minutes and playmaking reliance. With Hill, Nash will have fewer burdens to create. When Nash is out, he can rest longer because Hill, Boris Diaw and Leandro Barbosa are all playmakers.
"In Detroit, I played him really at point guard," said TNT analyst Doug Collins, who, like Suns assistant Alvin Gentry, was a head coach of Hill's in Detroit. "Now you can sit Steve down and you don't have to worry about rushing him back.
"This is a great signing for the Suns. You can't ask for a more professional teammate than Grant. He's got a lot left in the tank. The style of play is really going to be good for him."
Hill's professionalism was a big plus for the Suns, who admittedly needed to improve on chemistry by season's end. Players respect Hill, who can bridge the locker room's usual cliques. Character has long been a Suns priority but General Manager Steve Kerr has re-emphasized it from his experiences on five le teams.
The main concern with Hill will be his health.
He is coming off a season in which he played 65 games and averaged 14.4 points. He had played in fewer than 30 games in five of the prior seasons in Orlando. Even last season, Hill sat out the second game on some back-to-back sets or when either leg was sore. With light practices and an acclaimed athletic training staff, the Suns - and Babby - believe Hill will be fine.
The Suns may be done in free agency except for re-signing Sean Marks and using the 13th roster spot for a player such as second-round pick D.J. Strawberry or summer league pickup Pape Sow.
Free-agent big men like Chris Mihm or P.J. Brown could be pursued if the Suns were to trade Kurt Thomas, who will make $8.1 million this season.
Hill's game
The book on Suns acquisition Grant Hill:
Shooter
He is a strong midrange shooter, with 48.2 percent career accuracy after hitting 51.8 percent last season.
Passer
He has playmaker instincts, so the offense can be run through him. He averaged 7.0 assists from 1995 to 1998.
Finisher
He can finish well on the fast break and in the half-court, although injuries and age have reduced his slashing.
Defender
He is not close to being a stopper but, at 6-foot-8, he can be good, even on point guards, when he's moving well.
Do-gooder
He is an upstanding person who brings a lot of maturity and wisdom to the locker room, court and community.
The Grant Hill timeline
1972: Born in Dallas. Son of an attorney, Janet, and NFL player, Calvin.
1990: Graduated from high school in Virginia and signed with Duke.
1994: Reached his third NCAA le game but lost after winning the first two. Drafted third by Detroit.
1995: Named co-Rookie of the Year with Jason Kidd.
1997: Finished third in MVP voting, led Detroit to 54 wins and was All-NBA first team.
1999: Married recording artist Tamia.
2000: After averaging 25.8 points in the 1999-2000 season and playing with an injured ankle in the playoffs, Hill went to Orlando in a sign-and-trade deal that gave him a seven-year, $92 million contract. Detroit got Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins.
2004: After a fourth surgery on his left ankle led to a fifth because of a life-threatening staph infection, Hill missed the 2003-04 season after playing only 47 games in his first three Orlando seasons because of ankle injuries.
2005: Underwent surgery for a sports hernia and played in 21 of the 2005-06 season's games with persistent groin problems.
2007: Finished a season playing for the first time since 1999. He averaged 14 points in 65 games.
Up-Hill, down-Hill
A look at the pros and cons of Grant Hill joining the Suns:
Pros
• A starting lineup improvement and bargain if he, as expected, takes the oft-rotated fifth spot with Steve Nash, Raja Bell, Shawn Marion and Amaré Stoudemire.
• Another scorer with an accurate midrange shot and the ability to finish off fast breaks and drives.
• A high-character person who will help team chemistry, be well liked by fans and play unselfishly.
• The prospect of his wife, Tamia, singing the national anthem before a game. Quentin Richardson's fiancee when he was with the team, Brandy, never did.
Cons
• A scary health history. He turns 35 on Oct. 5 and needs constant attention on his left ankle, which has undergone five surgeries.
• His defense will get some criticism but is underrated, so that should fit right in with the Suns. He can guard various positions.
• Hill is not a strong three-point shooter - but he knows not to take threes (2 for 12 last year).
• Tamia is Canadian, so maybe the anthem idea is out unless she sings on the night the Toronto Raptors visit.
- Paul Coro
OK. I noticed in the Arizona Republic article above that Hill could start with Bell, Marion, Amare and Nash. Who is he going to put on the bench? Diaw?
Any way you cut it, with Kurt Thomas gone, Phoenix doesn't get better defensively with this move.
Truth hurts, huh? S0ns don't play defense. Never have, Never will. The S0ns are undeserving of a championships in the same vein that Steve Trash is undeserving of his two MVPs. He's a player that only plays one side of the court. That weak ass defense may look nice against all the scrub lottery teams but it doesn't quite cut it against the top playoff squads.
Spurs have 4 championships while the S0ns have 0. S0ns don't deserve any of my respect.
Why is that everyone in the country loves the Suns and just doesn't care about the Spurs?
We have to see a million cuts of EVA every Spurs game to try and prevent us from changing the channel.
GO EVA!
link? data? anything? o thats right your just talking out of your ass again.
You are a suns fan, obviously bent on the fact that the spurs own your team...here on a spurs board daily...talking about how the spurs are such a shadow in the league.....ironic? possibly!
you've obviously cared enough to rack up a fairly decent post count in a short time span.
Britney Spears sells millions of records. anic is the highest grossing movie of all time.
Just because something's popular doesn't mean it's good. If anything it proves the S0ns are a gimmick/fad. Nobody's going to give a about them a few years down the line when they realize the S0ns are really nothing more than a glorified group of losers.
i still think "da_suns_fan" is a long time spurs poster, with an alter ego....i really dont think its plausible for someone to be as utterly ridiculous as he is, and not be fake.
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