**Official UFC 74: RESPECT Thread**

[Evan]

Not for tonights pre game I don't think. If that was skin he sounded weird or maybe they were having mic issues ( ulus...the power of radio...)

[LEONARD]

Thursday night on e TV:
UFC 74 Countdown (10:00 central)
All Access: Randy Couture (11:00 central)

Friday at 6:00 central...weigh-ins on ESPNews (also available online)

Preview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZRIs9qhWvI

UFC 74 stuff...lots of interviews, etc
http://bloodyelbow.com/story/2007/8/19/22325/1469

Pellegrino article
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...articleid=4538

GSP training pictures
http://www.sherdog.com/news/pictures.asp?n_id=8658

Alberto Crane KOTC fight
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xoJqY1Lf_Gc

[Evan]

its so weird seeing GSP with hair...

[dallaskd]

Bodog finally put up odds for the full card, so I placed my bets. I'm leaning heavily on Grove and Leites, who I think are absolute locks. I ended up going with Randy only because he's a slight underdog...I think the fight is a pick'em, so I didn't like Gonzaga's line. I'm surprised Mir is favored against anybody, even Hardonk who just lost to MulletCully...Hardonk by KO/TKO. I see value in Aurelio because most in the US don't know who he is...he should be favored IMO. I think Babalu is done...probably a boring decision for Heath. I think GSP will return to form and handle Koscheck in a great fight. Pellegrino and Crane are my longer shot underdogs...I see some value in their odds as both are relatively unknown to most fans.

Thales Leites -220
Ryan Jensen +180
Pick: Leites - Risk $35.00 to win $15.91

Frank Mir -200
Antoni Hardonk +160
Pick: Hardonk - Risk $7.00 to win $11.20

Clay Guida -130
Marcus Aurelio EVEN
Pick: Aurelio - Risk $10.00 to win $10.00

Renato Sobral -210
David Heath +170
Pick: Heath - Risk $7.00 to win $11.90

Roger Huerta -450
Alberto Crane +300
Pick: Crane - $7.00 to win $21.00

Kendall Grove -260
Patrick Cote +200
Pick: Grove - Risk $25.00 to win $9.62

Joe Stevenson -295
Kurt Pellegrino +235
Pick: Pellegrino - Risk $7.00 to win $16.45

Georges St-Pierre -220
Josh Koscheck +180
Pick: GSP - Risk $15.00 to win $6.82

Gabriel Gonzaga -135
Randy Couture +105
Pick: Couture - Risk $15.00 to win $15.75

I do fake betting on mmaplaygound.com

[dallaskd]

its so weird seeing GSP with hair...

I read that.

[dallaskd]

Yea, Guida has had a of a road...Din Thomas, Tyson Griffin, and now Marcus Aurelio. Compare that to Roger Huerta's road traveled...

Probably another tough loss for him...

If Clay had won out and wins Saturady he could have been close for a le bout.

[dallaskd]

Anyone notice GSP never puts a +th; or +rd, +nd at the end of dates.
"On August twenty five we will find out."
Just a little annoying

[Evan]

The way Americans state dates are different from the rest of the world.

[oligarchy]

Bodog finally put up odds for the full card, so I placed my bets. I'm leaning heavily on Grove and Leites, who I think are absolute locks. I ended up going with Randy only because he's a slight underdog...I think the fight is a pick'em, so I didn't like Gonzaga's line. I'm surprised Mir is favored against anybody, even Hardonk who just lost to MulletCully...Hardonk by KO/TKO. I see value in Aurelio because most in the US don't know who he is...he should be favored IMO. I think Babalu is done...probably a boring decision for Heath. I think GSP will return to form and handle Koscheck in a great fight. Pellegrino and Crane are my longer shot underdogs...I see some value in their odds as both are relatively unknown to most fans.

Thales Leites -220
Ryan Jensen +180
Pick: Leites - Risk $35.00 to win $15.91

Frank Mir -200
Antoni Hardonk +160
Pick: Hardonk - Risk $7.00 to win $11.20

Clay Guida -130
Marcus Aurelio EVEN
Pick: Aurelio - Risk $10.00 to win $10.00

Renato Sobral -210
David Heath +170
Pick: Heath - Risk $7.00 to win $11.90

Roger Huerta -450
Alberto Crane +300
Pick: Crane - $7.00 to win $21.00

Kendall Grove -260
Patrick Cote +200
Pick: Grove - Risk $25.00 to win $9.62

Joe Stevenson -295
Kurt Pellegrino +235
Pick: Pellegrino - Risk $7.00 to win $16.45

Georges St-Pierre -220
Josh Koscheck +180
Pick: GSP - Risk $15.00 to win $6.82

Gabriel Gonzaga -135
Randy Couture +105
Pick: Couture - Risk $15.00 to win $15.75

I don't think you'll recoup your original bets. I think you had 128 in wagers, but after the bets and returns, i'm saying you'll have about 80. That's my prediction.

Honestly, if you believe that underdogs are locks, then you should wager more money on them to gain a higher return, rather than bet small wagers on a clear favorite with a wagerline that low.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

Anyone notice GSP never puts a +th; or +rd, +nd at the end of dates.
"On August twenty five we will find out."
Just a little annoying

its because he speaks french

[LEONARD]

I don't think you'll recoup your original bets. I think you had 128 in wagers, but after the bets and returns, i'm saying you'll have about 80. That's my prediction.

Honestly, if you believe that underdogs are locks, then you should wager more money on them to gain a higher return, rather than bet small wagers on a clear favorite with a wagerline that low.

I guess we'll see...

I didn't bet any underdogs as "locks"...I only bet on 4 underdogs (Couture basically even). Hardonk is the only one I feel strongly about. Small bet, small risk, but decent return if they hit. Most of the time I bet on an UD it's because I see good value in the bet...ie, they shouldn't be as big of a dog as they are.

[oligarchy]

I guess we'll see...

I didn't bet any underdogs as "locks"...I only bet on 4 underdogs (Couture basically even). Hardonk is the only one I feel strongly about. Small bet, small risk, but decent return if they hit. Most of the time I bet on an UD it's because I see good value in the bet...ie, they shouldn't be as big of a dog as they are.

I didn't say you did. Just saying it might be better, but what do I know?
It's funny because I think Hardonk is your worst bet, but we will see. I would wager on Grove (and he's my pick) as well, but something tells me Cote could pull this one out with a nice KO. Once it's down though, Cote FTL.

[Evan]

"Coteee Cote Cote Cote...Coteee... Coteee"

from the show...anyone? anyone?

Ahhhh........

Matt Serra from TUF 4 at the dinner table.

[LEONARD]

I didn't say you did. Just saying it might be better, but what do I know?
It's funny because I think Hardonk is your worst bet, but we will see. I would wager on Grove (and he's my pick) as well, but something tells me Cote could pull this one out with a nice KO. Once it's down though, Cote FTL.

Gotcha...I was confused as to what you meant...

Hardonk may be a bad bet...I think he's a good value and I only put up $7 with a chance to get back $18...

I banked heavily on Grove and Leites...almost have of my funds. They better win!!

"Coteee Cote Cote Cote...Coteee... Coteee"

from the show...anyone? anyone?

Ahhhh........

Matt Serra from TUF 4 at the dinner table.

I uhmemba...

[oligarchy]

I banked heavily on Grove and Leites...almost have of my funds. They better win!!

Yeah.. good bets though..

[Rip-Hamilton32]

this card is pretty good but not worth renting, good thing the next one is free

[Evan]

this card is pretty good but not worth renting, good thing the next one is free

wow! What more could you want from a card?

le fight Randy and GG

and 2 other fights involving past champions. Mir's fight then GSP

Then a future contender, Stevenson for LW.

and lets not forget the highly underrated Clay Guida.

Worth every penny imo!

[LEONARD]

this card is pretty good but not worth renting, good thing the next one is free

Jeez dude...

What card has been worth buying to you in the past???

[desflood]

He's probably one of those guys who would only pay to see Chuck/ o again.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

He's probably one of those guys who would only pay to see Chuck/ o again.

lol, nah i just don't really care for randy or ganzaga and as much as i wanna see kos get his ass whooped i don't really care for the other fighters and the mir fight with probaly be a snooze fest

[Evan]

lol, nah i just don't really care for randy or ganzaga and as much as i wanna see kos get his ass whooped i don't really care for the other fighters and the mir fight with probaly be a snooze fest

I hear ya. Causal fans aren't willing to spend $40 if their fav fighters isn't on it.

And for the record, I will be stunned if Mir's fights makes it to TV.

[2centsworth]

Jeez dude...

What card has been worth buying to you in the past???

The novelty is wearing off.

[Evan]

The novelty is wearing off.

That explains why they keep breaking PPV records and they just signed a 100 million dollar TV deal and one more on the way with HBO.

You base novelty on one casual fan making a comment.

Good thinking skills.

[LEONARD]

lol, nah i just don't really care for randy or ganzaga and as much as i wanna see kos get his ass whooped i don't really care for the other fighters and the mir fight with probaly be a snooze fest

Mir is deep on the undercard...

If you don't like any of these guys, who do you like??

That explains why they keep breaking PPV records and they just signed a 100 million dollar TV deal and one more on the way with HBO.

You base novelty on one casual fan making a comment.

Good thinking skills.

[2centsworth]

That explains why they keep breaking PPV records and they just signed a 100 million dollar TV deal and one more on the way with HBO.

You base novelty on one casual fan making a comment.

Good thinking skills.

what PPV records have they broken lately? 100million dollar TV deal isn't that big in the realm of sports.

Give me some facts. I bet their PPV numbers have slowly declined since o vs LIddell. Not a shocker the UFC 75 is for free. I promise you if they could make a killing on PPV they would.