Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"

[eisfeld]

You have understand what I post is accurate. In many thing he is better player than Manu. How he play with national team or PAO or Rocket is not good way to know him. You have to see when he play with Maroussi. When he is player that is given control of team what he can do.

For the last time and the love of god... stop comparing any european league with the NBA. He was there, he failed, he's good in Europe. Over and out.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

I already say Manu is more talent player. Spanoulis cannot do same thing Manu can do. This just like stupid lie Van Gundy make up about "T-Mac of Greece" because Spanoulis not comparable to T-Mac.

He is small point guard. he is not spectacular wing player like Manu or T-Mac. But he is similar mental way of game as Manu and he try play similar like Manu and Parker.

You have understand what I post is accurate. In many thing he is better player than Manu. How he play with national team or PAO or Rocket is not good way to know him. You have to see when he play with Maroussi. When he is player that is given control of team what he can do.

He try explain to Van Gundy he need ball to play well. Van Gundy just destroy him with fans and media after this. But how good can Parker or Manu or T-Mac be without ball?

Spanoulis is very capable to have Nash passing and great defense and run pick and roll like Nash if he is allow to run team. Coach Giannakis his coach of Maroussi and national team know very well. American fan think 4 quarter of Greece US game is some crazy thing that happen. But this is not.

Giannakis know very well what Spanoulis can do and put him in Maroussi pick and roll and tell him take over game. And this is what he do. He is not use such way in PAO team because this is not Obradovic tactic. But Obradovic call him "the chosen one" and say before he is most talent player he has ever seen.

You have to understand what he can do if run with Giannakis Maroussi pick and roll this same thing they run in quarter 4 against team US. But American fan believe it just some crazy thing that happen. Not true. If want way of know Jerry Sloan copy all game plan and offense tactic from Giannakis. He learn most all of this from Giannakis play book.

So you see how Williams or Stockton use this same way as Giannakis Maroussi pick and roll. if you not believe you need pay more attention to Greece US game. Spanoulis try explain this to Van Gundy and he never have chance ever play again.

I used to think the same way about guys like Delfino, Jasikevicius, Macijauskas, etc, etc. The list is made up of players who were awesome in Europe but failed to deliver in the NBA. Moaning about the coach won't improve anything. If those players don't like the way they are coached the have three options:

a) Recognize that they didn't have the balls to play in the NBA and go back to Europe (Jasikevicius, Macijauskas).

b) Stay in the NBA. Keep being an asshole and never reaching their potential (Delfino, Garbajosa).

c) Man up and prove the coach wrong in the limited minutes on the court or practice. (Manu, Calderon, Nocioni)

I laughed because you basically said that Manu was only more flashy that Spanoulis, who is the better player overall. If he's that good, he should have proven it at every stage. Manu, among others, has set a new standard for measuring the sucess of international players in the NBA. Showing some nice moves, but being unable to get more minutes and going back to Europe isn't considered a good experience for international players in the NBA since the '80s.

You claimed that Spanoulis is a better defender. That's just ridiculous, maybe (BIG maybe) he is a better defender on half court collapsed zones like those allowed in FIBA. But with NBA rules he is nowhere near Ginobili.

You claimed Spanoulis is more athletic than Manu. Do you even know what that word means? Even now at 30, Manu has better wingspan, jump, pace and strength than V-Span. Spanoulis tougher? Manu is one of the 5 most physically punished players in the NBA, has been playing for 6 seasons and never missed more than 17 games in a season.

Spanoulis left hand as good as Manu and he not even left handed. Spanoulis cross over and hesitation move is cannot be guard by any player.

My godness, better tell all those 30 stupid NBA coaches that they are missing and unguardable player. I'm not going to even comment on the left hand part.

Of all players I watch #2 most compe or #2 most aggresive #2 most determine and fearless player is Manu or Kobe in whole world of players I watch close. #1 in all these is Spanoulis. Spanoulis have more fearless will than Manu or Kobe. This why he calls "Kill Bill" it what opponents names him.

This is ridiculous. This a level of homerism, blindness and man love that even us Argies can't reach for our players. And that's a feat really hard to achieve.

How he play with national team or PAO or Rocket is not good way to know him. You have to see when he play with Maroussi. When he is player that is given control of team what he can do.

So basically it doesn't count when he plays for PAO, Rockets or Greece because all except one coach diminish his game? When could he be evaluated then? When he is shooting free throws in practice?

If want way of know Jerry Sloan copy all game plan and offense tactic from Giannakis. He learn most all of this from Giannakis play book.

So Sloan learnt the pick'n'roll and all of his playbook from Giannakis. Nevermind the fact that Sloan started coaching back in 1979 and Giannakis in 1997.

[K-State Spur]

he's so fearless and determined that it takes the exact perfect situation for him to succeed...

[DaDakota]

Kill- Bill...

Are you saying that V-Span has a ZERO dollar buyout with his Euro club?

And if so, would he consider returning to the Rockets, where he would be starting within a month.

DD

[Indazone]

Kill- Bill...

Are you saying that V-Span has a ZERO dollar buyout with his Euro club?

And if so, would he consider returning to the Rockets, where he would be starting within a month.

DD

Depends on him. His play on the court would have to do his speaking for him in front of our Houston fans who were sold the big lie.

[Indazone]

I already say Manu is more talent player. Spanoulis cannot do same thing Manu can do. This just like stupid lie Van Gundy make up about "T-Mac of Greece" because Spanoulis not comparable to T-Mac.

He is small point guard. he is not spectacular wing player like Manu or T-Mac. But he is similar mental way of game as Manu and he try play similar like Manu and Parker.

You have understand what I post is accurate. In many thing he is better player than Manu. How he play with national team or PAO or Rocket is not good way to know him. You have to see when he play with Maroussi. When he is player that is given control of team what he can do.

He try explain to Van Gundy he need ball to play well. Van Gundy just destroy him with fans and media after this. But how good can Parker or Manu or T-Mac be without ball?

Spanoulis is very capable to have Nash passing and great defense and run pick and roll like Nash if he is allow to run team. Coach Giannakis his coach of Maroussi and national team know very well. American fan think 4 quarter of Greece US game is some crazy thing that happen. But this is not.

Giannakis know very well what Spanoulis can do and put him in Maroussi pick and roll and tell him take over game. And this is what he do. He is not use such way in PAO team because this is not Obradovic tactic. But Obradovic call him "the chosen one" and say before he is most talent player he has ever seen.

You have to understand what he can do if run with Giannakis Maroussi pick and roll this same thing they run in quarter 4 against team US. But American fan believe it just some crazy thing that happen. Not true. If want way of know Jerry Sloan copy all game plan and offense tactic from Giannakis. He learn most all of this from Giannakis play book.

So you see how Williams or Stockton use this same way as Giannakis Maroussi pick and roll. if you not believe you need pay more attention to Greece US game. Spanoulis try explain this to Van Gundy and he never have chance ever play again.

Spanoulis could do well with the New Jersey Nets or Toronto Raptors. They run the high post offense. That being said, I'd rather see him back with the Rockets.

[Indazone]

Ya know what DD, with Alston's suckage up and down play, had Spanoulis stayed I wouldn't be suprised that at this point in the season, he would have gotten the starting guard position or at least a lot of minutes while Adleman reduced Alston's.

[DaDakota]

Depends on him. His play on the court would have to do his speaking for him in front of our Houston fans who were sold the big lie.

I think the vast majority of fans would embrace him, and as soon as he took that first charge on defense or drive relentlessly to the hole the rest would follow.

Not to mention it would be nice to have a PG that can run the PnR properly...

DD

[DaDakota]

Ya know what DD, with Alston's suckage up and down play, had Spanoulis stayed I wouldn't be suprised that at this point in the season, he would have gotten the starting guard position or at least a lot of minutes while Adleman reduced Alston's.

There is little doubt in my mind that he would be the starting PG right now in Houston had he stayed, but we would not have gotten Scola, so it is all good for me.

However, why not pursue him with the MLE this offseason? That way we get Scola and V-Span......

DD

[Indazone]

that would be funny. Unlikely but it would be good if it happened.

[DaDakota]

that would be funny. Unlikely but it would be good if it happened.

Why would it be funny? If Morey likes the guy as much as I suspect he does, it would be smart.

DD

[Indazone]

It would be funny because of the ownage to several fans. Especially the BB fans lol.

[DaDakota]

It would be funny because of the ownage to several fans. Especially the BB fans lol.

If I were Rockets GM, I would be canvasing the planet for a better PG.....and V-Span would be at or near the top of my list.

DD

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Yes DaDakota it seem Spanoulis have zero buy out but special thing in contract call "NBA opt out" which mean only in case of NBA team he can leave PAO contract at any time and cancel contract. No buy out. But for go to non-NBA team this not apply.

It seem both him and Saras have such thing and PAO owner, coach, managers want one of these player gone. They rather Saras leave team and keep Spanoulis base on all comment in media. Maybe can get Saras go back NBA then he can use NBA opt out. Or maybe not if go back NBA they have talks about sell his contract to Spanish club. He VERY popular with Barcelona fan.

PAO want much rather keep Spanoulis than him but one must go because Saras not fit with other stars on team he demand ball and dominate offense to much and Obradovic and PAO team is defense tactic team and Saras not like play defense so much. Because Saras contract so huge it might be problem try to get rid of him if he choose not leave.

So if Spanoulis must go then easy way out of contract is NBA. It really depend on Spanoulis. If he want go to NBA he will have offers. Agent know this and this is why he tell me they make this NBA opt out in contract.

[DaDakota]

So if Spanoulis must go then easy way out of contract is NBA. It really depend on Spanoulis. If he want go to NBA he will have offers. Agent know this and this is why he tell me they make this NBA opt out in contract.

But it is not really about Pan management but rather what Billy wants to do, does he want to play in the highest league in the world and accept the challenges and risks associated with that, or does he want to be a big fish in a smaller pond like the Greek League?

Does Billy want the challenge of doing it on the world's biggest stage, or is he happy staying at home?

Because at this point, it really is....all about how HE FEELS....if he wants to come to the NBA....as you said there will be teams lining up to get him.....

But it all boils down to what he wants....nobody else.

DD

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

But it is not really about Pan management but rather what Billy wants to do, does he want to play in the highest league in the world and accept the challenges and risks associated with that, or does he want to be a big fish in a smaller pond like the Greek League?

Does Billy want the challenge of doing it on the world's biggest stage, or is he happy staying at home?

Because at this point, it really is....all about how HE FEELS....if he wants to come to the NBA....as you said there will be teams lining up to get him.....

But it all boils down to what he wants....nobody else.

DD

He is not interest in NBA if it is similar as Van Gundy treat him. Also Rocket fan have many myth about Greek league. Spanoulis is NOT popular or like player in Greece. He is #1 most hate player in Greece. But fans support him of course when he on national team.

He is compare as "Euro Kobe" as how he is seen by fan. He also one of most hate player in Europe. Panathinaikos is very hate team in Europe. Must understand even in Athens most people NOT fan of PAO. Because Athens we have like 10 different clubs maybe more. Also the main opponent Olympiacos and another big club AEK also play in Athens.

At most 1/3 of even home team city is fan of team. Rivalry of PAO and Olympiacos is like US rivalry of Yankke-Red Sock but worse.

Going into other team stadium is like go into war zone. To give idea Greek Cup Championship is Wednesday and between PAO and Oly. 15,000 seat stadium that is "neutral" must be use. This is home of Panionios team of Athens also.

This is team that Rocket draft pick Newley is on also Baxter who play with Rockets before. You should know these player. Game must be play here because of how fans get in own stadium.

Also 15,000 stadium and ONLY 1,000 ticket allow be sold! We get 500 for each team and NO MORE because otherwise riot will occur. Also 200 arm police be there inside stadium! 100 for each team fans

Riot police will escort fans of team in building one at time!

This way Rockets fans say "Spanoulis worship in Greece" dumbest thing ever. He not go to Greece to be "big fish in small pond" because in Greece star player of PAO is enemy #1 for most of all country.

Beside play with PAO team is not "small pond" just because in US fans not know this club not change simple fact. PAO is one of handful of biggest sport clubs in entire world. Fame of Houston Rockets compares to PAO is very tiny except of course for China but this weird exception with Rockets because of Yao. This not insult it just true. Even PAO Greek league game not actual Euroleague game have 50 million tv audience so same way except for weird thing with Rockets in China because of Yao not comparable. Just like other NBA team except Bucks because of Yi and China not comparable.

Olympiacos Panathinaikos derby games have 20,000 fans at Panathinaikos stadium and could have 30,000 to 40,000 and some time 70,000 tickets order for game but only 20,000 available if enough seats available. As rockets fans see Rockets - Lakers game this is common occurrence for PAO. He is player play at final of European championship and final of World Championship he have been in much bigger game than players like T-Mac yet Rockets fan say "he not play anywhere but barns".

Houston was actual "small pond" compare to Panathinaikos. It may be hard thing US fan understand but you have to understand in Europe be part of club like Barcelona, Real, Manchester U, Olympiacos, Panathinaikos is not something can compare in US be part of NBA team. PAO team is many billion dollar club make Rockets seem very poor. But American fans of Houston so ignorant they believe team play in 'barns".

This part of problem why American fans have hard time and also the NBA coaches understand some foreign players and call them "rookie". How can say to player like Spanoulis now he in "big pond" now he in "real big games" now he in "real big club" and tell him he just "rookie that prove nothing" this is very crazy way of thinking and Van Gundy cause himself be fired over such thing.

American fan must understand mind set of player like Spanoulis is much different than mind set of other NBA player especially rookie. Even player like T-Mac have never ever play in type of "big stage" game Spanoulis has. To Spanoulis play Rockets is not "big stage".

He go back to Greece because he treat very bad by Van Gundy, his mother sick and Rockets not allow him to help her because she in Greece and because he ruin mentally by how everything happen to him. Like paper in Houston make up lie after lie about him. Then when he and agent confront writers about this they say "why you go to Greek media and talk behind coach back" as Billy say if he try tell his side of story to Houston writer they always say "language barrier you are not ready for any comments"

And Billy speak English since he is 14 he WAYYYYYYYYY better at English than Yao. Writers just lie as much as Van Gundy.

And as for the NBA "best league in world" as Billy tell me when I ask him this, he say this.

"Greek league is not comparable to NBA but Euroleague is even though talent is lower than NBA you must understand difference of rules. Because of rules of NBA it is much more easy to score 15 point in game and get 5 assist in game of NBA than in game of Euroleague. 15 point and 5 assist in NBA game is nothing. Give any good player with basic skill chance and he can do such thing if given play time but so few players in NBA with basic skill it not many players can even do it. In Euroleague this is very hard thing to do in game. Euroleague game is much more physical game. In NBA even look at some player wrong ref call foul. Player such as myself with no hand check rule can score 20 point in NBA game without much difficulty and yet dumb coach will not play me. NBA fan all believe NBA is so much better but they fail understand while talent level is better rules are design to favor quick guard that penetrate. In Euroleague I get fouled and hit hard every play but in NBA I have free pass to rim. Jeff Van Gundy is biggest idiot I ever know."

He also tell me NBA talent level only "20 percent more than Euroleague" so Billy is not as impress by quality of most NBA player as NBA fan are impressed by it. He very impress with player on Rockets like Battier, Yao, T-Mac, Novak (only for shooting) but he say other player of team have chance at Euroleague roster of final four level team but will not be able to make it with good results at such level but all the fans there believe such players would dominate top level of Euroleague and this not true many NBA player get more play time than him and will not make top Euroleague clubs.

Rocket fans should know such thing because most say that Lucas "better than Spanoulis otherwise why Van Gundy not play Spanoulis over him"?

Lucas not able to make Euroleague. He works out for Euroleague teams and not able to make roster. He have to settle for ULEB Cup team. For Euroleague this like NBDL for NBA. Lucas sign with Italy league team.

Lucas get CUT FROM ROSTER! He not even make 2nd level Europe club. They cut him from team and in Italy league they have crap team. Reece Gaines was #1 option of team and he suck at the clutch fan site they refer to these crap players in Europe as "Euroleague superstars" and say "all Americans dominate in Euroleague" and of course like say Lucas not even able make Euroleague roster he have to settle for second level ULEB Cup team and end up getting cut from team anyway for poor play. But these Rocket fans and stupid coach believe he "better" than Spanouli. This just typical of such stupid nonsense about how many believe NBA superior much more than what be actual truth. And this same stupid ego that some coach like Van Gundy get cause them not even consider give chance to "Euro player"

But in NBA and American fans belief "Lucas superior to Spanoulis". As Billy tell me he very good friend with Lucas but he say many time he outplay Yao and T-Mac and bench unit beat starter in practice leads by him. He have 28 point and 8 assist in one practice game with bench against starters like he say as example this what Van Gundy say after game.

Van Gundy say "you have very good future with this team and you will be starting by playoff". Then very NEXT DAY coach on radio say "we make trade for Tsakalidis now Billy can in Greek to him about how we are screws him and lied to him about promise play time"

When Billy ask if this joke he told by coach "I change my mind you need to sit all year for that comment you make about basketball is just basketball, this is NBA no other game anywhere count"

Like Billy tell me NBA fan and team and player really believe NBA higher than Olympic or World Championship and as Billy tell me this is not true. Play against Team USA is higher level and Van Gundy say "it not count".

Billy if come to NBA he come to prove himself in best league in world but only because he already know what people think of him. "he suck" "he not able to make it in NBA".

He not "worship in Greece" as Rocket fan site claim. he have been spit on many time in games in Greece and also he is consider "traitor" and "Greek tragedy and failure" because he "disgrace as as quitter".

He hear all time in Greece and Europe all over about how he "not able to make it in NBA" Same craps as stupid Rockets fans.

Reason for him come back to NBA if he choose to is because he know actual truth. That he have seen NBA and as he tell me "it not what I think it was as I believe NBA is so much better than Euroleague and I find out it is not so much better but only somewhat better only 1 or 2 players on most NBA team 3 on very few team that are very good player and the rest of players on the teams are below standard of lead players of best national teams from Europe or below level of very best Euroleague players."

As he say he find out NBA is "star system create by coach" and like he tell me in NBA Rafer Alston can be consider better or as good than me because in NBA does player contract and status with club decide play time. In Greek league if I outplay Alston in practice I am starter end of story not true in NBA it seem."

He tell me he know very well what he can do because he have beat Houston starters in practice several times and several times outplay T-Mac and Yao. He also know NBA is made up system in many way where bad players like many players of Rockets team given play time while other may not be base on coach at ude or how much money player make.

He believe 100% if come to NBA it is not for prove to himself he can play in "best league in world" because he already know this he already see he can play in NBA no problem if he come to NBA it only to make sure he not get trap in same thing like happen with Van Gundy and so he get treat as all other players same then like he say his play on court will shuts them all up and also Van Gundy will be expose.

[Indazone]

hmm as you can see Adelman has not problem playing European players and rookies. Landry is getting many minutes, Scola around 20 mpg. Novak has gotten some playing time but I'd like to see him get more. Still, the only reason Alson is getting so many minutes is because he is the only option right now besides Bobby Jackson. PG is our weakest link. Aaron Brooks still cannot make his shots even though he is quick. Steve Francis is injured and we do not know if he will be able to return to form. The only PG that Spanoulis would have to beat out to become the starter is Rafer Alston unless Steve Francis returns to form.

[DaDakota]

Look,

The point is that it is all about what Billy wants, and nothing else. He is not playing in the premier league on the planet, but maybe he is happier there.

It is like Beckam playing in the MLS, he may be happier playing for the Los Angeles Galaxy instead of Manchester United, but we both know that the MLS is lower than the Premier league.

So, essentially Billy is playing in the MLS.



DD

[Indazone]

You know, this series of posts makes you wonder if Jeff Van Gundy will ever coach again in the NBA. Surely his reputation among players and management has spread to the rest of the league. Sorta like Larry Brown, I see a reluctance to hire Larry Brown from NBA owners now because of the disaster in New York and his last year with Detroit. You can include Scott Skiles in this list too. Not that they haven't had success in the NBA but in general being known as disciplinarians, not being fair to players and butting heads with management. In any business or corporation, if you butt heads with the boss...you gone!

[DaDakota]

You know, this series of posts makes you wonder if Jeff Van Gundy will ever coach again in the NBA. Surely his reputation among players and management has spread to the rest of the league. Sorta like Larry Brown, I see a reluctance to hire Larry Brown from NBA owners now because of the disaster in New York and his last year with Detroit. You can include Scott Skiles in this list too. Not that they haven't had success in the NBA but in general being known as disciplinarians, not being fair to players and butting heads with management. In any business or corporation, if you butt heads with the boss...you gone!

JVG is a good coach, but a lousy player manager, and he can't develop a player to save his life.

Not to mention he is so risk averse that it hinders his team's ability to win when the opponent shuts down what they are comfortable running.

I am just glad he is out of Houston.

DD

[Indazone]

JVG would be a better college coach where he continuosly loses his players to graduation. Then he'd be forced to develop players.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=144953

Sam Fisher

ironically enough, I watched the last 3 quarters of a game btween PANA and some team with a name like AEG or something on saturday since I was in belgium and had nothing else to watch on TV.

I was not impressed with the quality of play very much. First off - the game really DID look it was being played in a barn. It was like a high school gymnasium (AEG's stadiium) - there were no seats on the side of the court (only a wall and a balcony on the side, two stories? And the players sat in those cheap plastic chairs that you put outside?) There were some small bleachers behind each basket, i'd say a few 1000 people at most were there.

The game itself - Former Grizzlies cast-off Mike Batiste was clearly the best player on the court. He looked like a poor man's amare stoudemire and was way too athletic for the opposition, which also had a few american big men. The top scorer I think was Jasikevicus who scored with a bunch of slow motion loopy looking drives which were absent during his timie in the NBA. Spanoulis looked OK but didn't do too much, a few drives, a few clanged jumpers, a few passes. Not much defense but then nobody seems to play defense at all in that league - they just play a crappy looking half-hearted zone and attempt to play the passing lanes.

Overall I was not very impressed except with Batiste who could probably crack an NBA rotation. Oh yeas I should mention that there was a guy who I believe was former NBA guard & Houston Cougars star Anthony Goldwire playing for the other team who must be closing in on 40, but he was able to get into the lane at will - though spanoulis and diamanitidis didn't put forth much of an effort to stop him.

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This exact thing I talk about. Person make comment about two best guard defender Europe Diamantidis and Spanoulis as "poor defense" and Batiste just praise. Batiste is poor rebounder and defender and Spanoulis and Diamantidis are best defender of guard position on continent.

Person make typical comment "play game in barn" and not even know game play against small club team. Person probably have heart attack if see PAo home stadium and learn it is most large basketball stadium in world.

Person obvious not know what league is play also person not even get name of team right. "AEG" "AEG" stadium. Idiot. Supposed "saw game and watched it" and not even has name of team correct like it just made up he "saw game".

Also make arrogant comment about Saras as I say before Saras is suck player. Only stupid idiot fan in Europe believe he any good he suck. "Batiste clear best player on floor" this is comedy. He is actual fact clear #4 best player of PAO. Spanoulis is best and Diamantidis is next best and Tsartsaris is better also.

This idiot think Batiste is best player and he is not able to play defense or rebound against Euroleage level team and against good Greek league team he is not able to either. "Clear best player on floor" of course because since he American he automatic "Euroleague superstar because all American dominate there"

This exact example what we call the ugly American in Europe and unfortunate it seem Van Gundy also suffer same disease problem. If such people can see how stupid the look maybe they wake up but no hope for them.

I see NBA game recent and van Gundy duing game as announcer make joke about Braggs who play for him and in Russia. He say "I ask my team before Dallas game who has play in game 7 before? Braggs raise hand and say me. I laugh at him and I set him straight and I say this is THE N........B.........A son and don't give me that stupid crap about Russia........RUSSIA are you kid me? No other game anywhere play before count worth crap except NBA GAME.......Russia are you kid me cannot be serious? I had to set this player straight and he never bring up this craps again."

Then he laugh and laugh and laugh on TV and make fun of player, make fun of Russia, make fun of basketball in Russia and basic anywhere in world not NBA because like say "nowhere even count or exist if not NBA" these words he use. This person so stupid he not even realize he open insult other people and country. And so stupid he not even know what type of basketball play in Russia. Guess this happen with person who admit never watch international game even admit never watch team US game. Guess he never see Russians beat Americans before

He ask question who play game 7? Player who have raise hand and he make fun of him but this not enough 3 YEARS after this happen he feel need to make fun of player and insult him on nations Tv for million of people to see even in other country. This Van Gundy is just incredible immature, rude and arrogant person.

This exact type of fan and coach that have ugly America disease and low IQ. Such person no matter how hard work will not achieve any good thing. Van Gundy no matter how hard work never accomplish desire result as coach because such low IQ and arrogant person cannot. Person cannot be so close mind and so stubborn and be great leader or success person. All year train as coach and no smarter than fan Sam Fisher who make post. All years train as coach and just as much ignorant and dumb as very stupid fan not even smart fan.

And Sam Fisher make sound like Goldwire good player in Greece. This is worst thing of all. This is such funny thing it make me hurt. I doubt most basketball fan in Greece even know who Goldwire is. He make it sound like "get in lane at will" he is suck player on HORRIBLE team at Greek league level. I think this Sam Fisher is even crazy person.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Look,

The point is that it is all about what Billy wants, and nothing else. He is not playing in the premier league on the planet, but maybe he is happier there.

It is like Beckam playing in the MLS, he may be happier playing for the Los Angeles Galaxy instead of Manchester United, but we both know that the MLS is lower than the Premier league.

So, essentially Billy is playing in the MLS.



DD

Like I says before Rocket fan have many myth about Greek league. This is not like MLS to English premiere league this is more like Serie A to premiere league. Also Euroleague is more like Brazil league to premiere league.

This type of thing you see Rocket fan say and just nonsense.

If want fair comparison see how Serie a Italy soccer (we call footbal) league is and compare this to English soccer league. This is NBA compare to Greek basketball league. Say Greek league is like MLS is very strong insult.

If want fair comparison of NBA to Euroleague (where Spanoulis play each season because he with Euroleague contract team) then for soccer this be like Brazil league to English league.


Yes English league is much better than MLS but Brazil league also make MLS look like joke and English league just little better. NBA is just like Spanoulis say 20 percent better than Euroleague. English soccer league 99 percent better than MLS.

I have see this comparison make before Euroleague or Greek league or Spanish league is like MLS to English league as they compare with NBA and this sad joke. I see many American NBA fan of many team say same thing. Maybe if you say Finland league or Portugal league is compare to MLS you be accurate.

1. NBA
2. Euroleague
3. Spanish league
4. Greek league
5. Turkish league
6. Russian league
7. ULEB Cup
8. Italian league

These are consider good leagues of basketball in order. Italy league is drop down very fast though. Any other league is poor. But any of these league here cannot be compare as MLS soccer league. MLS soccer league is joke league it may be worst soccer league in world. Would be like in basketball Chinese league is MUCH MUCH better than MLS league is in soccer. Chinese league in basketball is joke even compare to Greek league in basketball.

Maybe this help you understand better.

[DaDakota]

No, I understand quite well, thank you.

The NBA is the top league, and my point remains, does V-Span want to prove himself at the TOP level, or is he satisfied playing Division 1 level instead of premiership?

That is what the question is.........

If he wants to truly be the best, he has to want to play on the highest level, IMO.

All of the "Where does this league or that league rank" is irrelevant because we both agree the NBA is the best.

And I know very well about life in Europe as I lived over there, and still support Manchester United.....which is SEVERAL levels above MLS I concur......I was just making a point about wanting to play at the highest level versus not...

Oh, and one last thing, I have NO DOUBT at all that V-Span can play and excel at the NBA, what I wonder about is whether he WANTS to....

DD

[Indazone]

Kinda makes ya wonder why Beckham came to play for the LA Galaxy doesn't it. In any event, I'd like to see Vassilis play again in the NBA for any team. IF not just to make some knowledgeble Rockets B-Ball fans look stupid and have to eat their words.