Spanoulis Video Youtube "The Greek Steve Nash"

[dreamcastrocks]

Why is he compared to Steve Nash? He passed a total of about 3 times in the first 5 minutes.

He looks like an undersized 2 to me.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Why is he compared to Steve Nash? He passed a total of about 3 times in the first 5 minutes.

He looks like an undersized 2 to me.

This nickname he have by some fans. He is player have way to much nickname. This is crazy but for some reason he always have so many nickname.

The Rocket Man
The Chosen One
V-Splinter
The Splinter
Kill Bill
Euro Kobe
Greek Nash
Oracle of Delphi
Greek Sensation
Billy the Greek Kid
V-Span
"T-Mac of Greece" this stupid thing comes from Van Gundy and Rocket fans but now he cannot escape this one now



Just so many nickname for some reason with him. Main nickname is Kill Bill though this is REAL nickname but others are use many time to.

Greek Steve Nash I think come from how he will make same pass that Nash make and he will run pick and roll same as Nash. Basic every type of pass Nash make he also make exact same pass. Both player must be teach same exact way of make pass. So I think this how he get the "Greek Nash" nickname.

he lead Greek league in assist remember FIBA assist is not same as NBA assist. If player dribble or make move or pump fake or any such thing even wait second after get pass before they shoots the ball it NOT count as assist. Also many time assist must be consider as going straight to basket or it NOT count as assist which can mean open shot for teammate not count as assist.

So Spanoulis average over 5 assist in Greek league (he was not allow run pg in Euroleague because Saras have in his contract he was to be PG of Euroleague games) but American NBA fan think this is not "point guard" assist # because in NBA game this is low # for point guard. But in FIBA 5 assist is Nash like number. 5-6 assist in FIBA is best passers of world. Even Pepe Sanchez or Papaloukas will get 5-6 assist at most in FIBA. Nash will get 5-6 assist in FIBA.

And Spanoulis get 5 assist but only play 23 minute a game. He also have 2 other point guard on his same team with is Jasekivicus and Diamantides and so assist # will be affect by this but even they not comparable to his passing. He is easy by good amount best passer in Greek league.

I think Papaloukas best amount ever he get for year was 5 assist average in Greek league and also this lead league. Papaloukas consider best passer of Europe by many or also Pepe Sanchez was I think Sanchez only average 3-4 assist in Greek league when he play with PAO (which is same team of Spanoulis). You need see on youtube what passes such player like Papaloukas and Sanchez can make and understand Spanoulis average more assist then these same player in same league or even same team but in play less minute.

So he is similar as Nash in assist number. But in some other ways of game he is little bit different.

I not know how Spanoulis compare to Nash if he is "most like" Nash or if he closer to other player for compare to type of NBA player but he is one of best play maker of Europe for ability to get assist.

Actual if Suns was smart they would want him as Nash backup and let Nash teach him he can run same exact offense Suns do. Suns have never ask about him and his agent say they never interest. of all NBA team this is best fit for him because he run pick and roll exact same way as Nash and his way of drive and kick ball is same exact.

[DaDakota]

Kill Bill,

You never answered my question.

Do you think V-Span WANTS to come and play at the highest level, or do you think he is satisfied being where he is?

DD

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Wow! This is the 1st page I've read of this thread and just on the basis of this page, I'd like to nominate Kill Bill Pana as the Poster of the Year.

Or at least, Euro-Poster-of-the-Year. No kidding. I've never actually read a post as long as your posts are before I realize that the poster is full of it or just plain stupid.

You are informative, emotionally engaging, and ESL, which makes for a TOTALLY AWESOME COMBINATION.

Keep them coming Pana. You are NBA level in my book.

[Indazone]

Now how the heck he get a nickname like V-Splinter? Riding the pine?

[CubanMustGo]

You left off one nick:

V-gina.

[dreamcastrocks]

This nickname he have by some fans. He is player have way to much nickname. This is crazy but for some reason he always have so many nickname.

V-Splinter
The Splinter
Kill Bill
Euro Kobe
Greek Nash
Oracle of Delphi
Greek Sensation
Billy the Greek Kid
V-Span
"T-Mac of Greece" this stupid thing comes from Van Gundy and Rocket fans but now he cannot escape this one now



Just so many nickname for some reason with him. Main nickname is Kill Bill though this is REAL nickname but others are use many time to.

Greek Steve Nash I think come from how he will make same pass that Nash make and he will run pick and roll same as Nash. Basic every type of pass Nash make he also make exact same pass. Both player must be teach same exact way of make pass. So I think this how he get the "Greek Nash" nickname.

he lead Greek league in assist remember FIBA assist is not same as NBA assist. If player dribble or make move or pump fake or any such thing even wait second after get pass before they shoots the ball it NOT count as assist. Also many time assist must be consider as going straight to basket or it NOT count as assist which can mean open shot for teammate not count as assist.

So Spanoulis average over 5 assist in Greek league (he was not allow run pg in Euroleague because Saras have in his contract he was to be PG of Euroleague games) but American NBA fan think this is not "point guard" assist # because in NBA game this is low # for point guard. But in FIBA 5 assist is Nash like number. 5-6 assist in FIBA is best passers of world. Even Pepe Sanchez or Papaloukas will get 5-6 assist at most in FIBA. Nash will get 5-6 assist in FIBA.

And Spanoulis get 5 assist but only play 23 minute a game. He also have 2 other point guard on his same team with is Jasekivicus and Diamantides and so assist # will be affect by this but even they not comparable to his passing. He is easy by good amount best passer in Greek league.

I think Papaloukas best amount ever he get for year was 5 assist average in Greek league and also this lead league. Papaloukas consider best passer of Europe by many or also Pepe Sanchez was I think Sanchez only average 3-4 assist in Greek league when he play with PAO (which is same team of Spanoulis). You need see on youtube what passes such player like Papaloukas and Sanchez can make and understand Spanoulis average more assist then these same player in same league or even same team but in play less minute.

So he is similar as Nash in assist number. But in some other ways of game he is little bit different.

I not know how Spanoulis compare to Nash if he is "most like" Nash or if he closer to other player for compare to type of NBA player but he is one of best play maker of Europe for ability to get assist.

Actual if Suns was smart they would want him as Nash backup and let Nash teach him he can run same exact offense Suns do. Suns have never ask about him and his agent say they never interest. of all NBA team this is best fit for him because he run pick and roll exact same way as Nash and his way of drive and kick ball is same exact.

Greek Steve Nash...... is that you?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Kill Bill,

You never answered my question.

Do you think V-Span WANTS to come and play at the highest level, or do you think he is satisfied being where he is?

DD

He wants to be prove as very good player at all level. He already prove at junior level, Greek league, Euroleague, and also national team level he still have to prove at NBA level.

So yes he want to. Nikos Galis who is his basketball idol have already told him that Greece has had 2 player that were capable of be all star in NBA him and Spanoulis. Galis never play in NBA because of mistake by agent and injury but he never try go there.

He has already advise Spanoulis he make mistake because even though many calls him best player ever of Europe in US they have at ude that "he suck" or else why he not play NBA. Even though McAdoo say he is comparable to Larry Bird and Magic Johnson American fan laugh and will not believe because he never come NBA.

Galis also advise him Greece not have any respect in US for basketball ability. He say this why Van Gundy treat him this way. he tell him if this country like Spain he come from or Argentina get respect. But American basketball system have zero respect for Greece even after Greece beat team US.

This because no Greek player has been well know player of NBA. When Spanoulis come NBA one of main reason is to prove Greece can make player that can be good in NBA. Galis has tell him even though he is FIBA Hall of Fame member he still not respect in US because not play in NBA even when player like Jordan has say before how very good he is when he play him.

Spanoulis is very determined prove himself in NBA. There are some other player like Diamantidis know that deep down in heart are not capable of be key player in NBA but just role player. Coach Giannakis, coach Obradovic, Galis they all believe Spanoulis can be even all star in NBA.

Lindsey and Dawson tell him same thing and also Clyde Drexler tell him same only person who believe he "suck" is Van Gundy and he really ruin his career. So yes he would like what this is what Billy say it as to me "I would like chance to actual get chance to show what I can do in NBA and show fan of Texas I have game. I not even have chance with Van Gundy he decide my fate before I even sign contract"

So yes he do want to "prove" himself in NBA. But must understand after experience with Van Gundy he is very concern about right situation if he decide try again. This because unlike American player he have to leave him leave friends leave family leave culture, country, way of life all this and move to other side of world. So it is not same thing for Greek player get put in doggie house as same for American player.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Now how the heck he get a nickname like V-Splinter? Riding the pine?

Yes Greek fan way of make fun of him.

And also because he is very aggravate opponent. He like play pressure defense for length of court. He like to play "close defense" which mean get 1 inch from opponent and smother him. Van Gundy not like this style.

Also he is player on offense like drive ball into opponent. So he is strong player who lift weight each day. He drive ball into defense like Manu or Wade but I think he hit a little bit harder than them. This make other players mad. He is not popular player.

So V stand for Vassilis then - for just be the first letter then Splinter because he "annoy or get under skin of opponent".

He is call either "The Splinter" or "V-Splinter"

Like "splinter that get under your skin"

V- Splinter can also be joke for Greek fan make fun of him because he "get under Van Gundy's skin and also because he then get splinter in butt ride on coach's bench" this how "V-Splinter" become "The Splinter".

[Indazone]

Well another gold medal in Beijing would help immensely. To raise his stock and visibility around the world.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Well another gold medal in Beijing would help immensely. To raise his stock and visibility around the world.

Dikoudis who is team backup PF, Hatzivrettas who is team starting SG, Papadoploulos who is team starting C and Papaloukas who has been main player and leader of team player many say best player of Europe are not play in Olympics.

Hatzivrettas already announce he reitre from team. Papadopoulos call president of national team "cry baby " and makes fun of him in game on tv. This mean he not be back.

Dikoudis say before he retire like Hatzivrettas then change mind and say he decide after season but most Greek paper and media say he not play in Olympic.

Then Papaloukas have never make promise he will play and in last week many Greek media say "star of national team not play in Olympic"

Papaloukas is most famous player of national team. Also Kakiouzis who is captain of national team and is locker room leader of team probably is not playing. Greek team have many question also with coach. Giannakis is not inform if he be allow to coach national team. This because he have been hire as coach of Olympiacos and country is not sure they want him also coach national team because of possible be some way of conflict. He is very easy best Greek coach at time and be very bad if he not allow coach which look like maybe he will not be.

Many problem for Greek team right now.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You left off one nick:

V-gina.

So Rocket fan site says "T-Mac of Greece"


Spurs fan site says "V-Gina"?

Tell me exact thing this mean? This mean Spanoulis is girl yes? Gina is girl name.

[Indazone]

Umm no...

V-Gina is short for Vagina so it's an insult.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Umm no...

V-Gina is short for Vagina so it's an insult.

I look up meaning of word. I like what word is but not what nickname is.

[Mark in Austin]

He also believe no other team in world like Spurs. He tell me again he ask only for 8-10 minute a game ...

He have great respect for Adelman and Popovich. In Europe Van Gundy and Byron Scott have very poor reputation but Adelman and Popovich very good. Adelman best of all. But remember Popovich is one who talk with Obradovic. Obradovic and PAO owners have great respect for Popovich.

Nobody on the Spurs gets guaranteed minutes, or have you not been following Pop's constant rotation changes over the past month?

If he has so much respect for the Spurs and Pop, he can shut the up, lose the sense of en lement he seems to bring with him everywhere, show up humble, work hard, and if he proves himself better than Vaughn he'll earn minutes. If he thinks he deserves guaranteed minutes on the Spurs - or any NBA team right now - he needs to stay in Europe, because he clearly is not mature enough to handle competing for playing time in the NBA. In the NBA your contract is guaranteed. On the Spurs playing time is not, and never should be.


It. Is. Really. That. Simple.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=144953

Sam Fisher

ironically enough, I watched the last 3 quarters of a game btween PANA and some team with a name like AEG or something on saturday since I was in belgium and had nothing else to watch on TV.

I was not impressed with the quality of play very much. First off - the game really DID look it was being played in a barn. It was like a high school gymnasium (AEG's stadiium) - there were no seats on the side of the court (only a wall and a balcony on the side, two stories? And the players sat in those cheap plastic chairs that you put outside?) There were some small bleachers behind each basket, i'd say a few 1000 people at most were there.

The game itself - Former Grizzlies cast-off Mike Batiste was clearly the best player on the court. He looked like a poor man's amare stoudemire and was way too athletic for the opposition, which also had a few american big men. The top scorer I think was Jasikevicus who scored with a bunch of slow motion loopy looking drives which were absent during his timie in the NBA. Spanoulis looked OK but didn't do too much, a few drives, a few clanged jumpers, a few passes. Not much defense but then nobody seems to play defense at all in that league - they just play a crappy looking half-hearted zone and attempt to play the passing lanes.

Overall I was not very impressed except with Batiste who could probably crack an NBA rotation. Oh yeas I should mention that there was a guy who I believe was former NBA guard & Houston Cougars star Anthony Goldwire playing for the other team who must be closing in on 40, but he was able to get into the lane at will - though spanoulis and diamanitidis didn't put forth much of an effort to stop him.

__________________

I show what type of liar such person is. And how this type of liar turn all Rocket fan against Spanoulis with such lies from such fans and also from coach and Houston writers.

1. Spanoulis leading scorer of game NOT Saras
2. Name of opponent team is not "AEG" it is Egaleo BC idiot not even get name of team correct
3. Anthony Goldwire not "get into lane at will"
4. Batiste not "clearly best player on floor"

I show how such lies typical with Rocket fans.

http://www.paobc.gr/do ent.php?cat..._id=244&page=1

EGALEO-PANATHINAIKOS 76-85
One halftime was enough for Panathinaikos to take the victory against Egaleo. Our team played excellent basketball in the third and fourth period and won with 76-85. Very good game from Vassilis Spanoulis, Mike Batiste and Sarounas Jasikevicius.
One very crucial point that we have to mention is that Kostas Tsartsaris played again after two months and seemed to be ready for the big final of the Cup with Olympiacos in Wednesday.
Egaleo tried to surprise Panathinaikos, 14-10, but the “green” answered and at the end of the first period took the lead with 16-22. In the next ten minutes of the first half Magounis played excellent and lead his team to 37-33 of the halftime.
The next 20 minutes was Panathinaikos case. Players of Obradovic with Jasikevicius, Batiste and Spanoulis in very good shape made a run of 0-18 and in 30’ the score was 54-62. In the last period nothing changed and the Serbian coach had the opportunity to test some things for the game with Olympiacos.

Score by period: 16-22, 37-33, 54-62, 76-85

Egaleo (Slouktopoulos): Goldwire 14(2), Nikolaidis 8(2), Hohler, Magounis 13(1), Patterson 15(2), Bracey 7(1), Kallinikidis 9, Todorovic 2, Marjanovic 8
Panathinaikos (Obradovic): Perperoglou 6(2), Spanoulis 20, Batiste 16, Zizic 8, Chatzivrettas 5(1), Dikoudis, Tsartsaris 5(1), Diamantidis 2, Winston 6, Jasikevicius 17(2)

This just typical of endless kind of nonsense have been said about Spanoulis. I start wonder if some of this fan of Rocket team is Turkish people? They have crazy hate for Spanoulis for no reason.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Nobody on the Spurs gets guaranteed minutes, or have you not been following Pop's constant rotation changes over the past month?

If he has so much respect for the Spurs and Pop, he can shut the up, lose the sense of en lement he seems to bring with him everywhere, show up humble, work hard, and if he proves himself better than Vaughn he'll earn minutes. If he thinks he deserves guaranteed minutes on the Spurs - or any NBA team right now - he needs to stay in Europe, because he clearly is not mature enough to handle competing for playing time in the NBA. In the NBA your contract is guaranteed. On the Spurs playing time is not, and never should be.


It. Is. Really. That. Simple.

How many time I have explain this? He never ask for "guarantee minute" from Spurs. He ask for chance when play time. He tell by van Gundy bench all year before he even practice with team.

He want fair chance if earn minute in practice not "guarantee minute" he outplay many player of Rockets in practice and still not play. Why some Spurs fans keep make up stupid craps like he want "guarantee minute from Spurs"?

[CubanMustGo]

Why do you keep thinking anyone here gives a damn?

[Mark in Austin]

How many time I have explain this? He never ask for "guarantee minute" from Spurs. He ask for chance when play time. He tell by van Gundy bench all year before he even practice with team.

He want fair chance if earn minute in practice not "guarantee minute" he outplay many player of Rockets in practice and still not play. Why some Spurs fans keep make up stupid craps like he want "guarantee minute from Spurs"?

Because every time you explain this, you then post something like:

He tell me again he ask only for 8-10 minute a game ...

?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Because every time you explain this, you then post something like:




?

This mean if he get fair chance to earn play time and he then do earn play time once he get play time he be satisfy with 8-10 minute if it this little to start as he learn to adjust to NBA. This so hard to understand what this mean? But some fan have to make him seem like so arrogant player like "he demand guarantee play time"


Same kind of lies make fan in Houston all hate him.

[DaDakota]

Kill_Bill,

Do you think V-Span would give the Rockets another look, we still need a quality attacking PG like Billy and Rafer is NOT the long term answer.

Rick Adelman would be playing him heavy minutes already, but do you think Billy would think about coming back to Houston after the way JVG treated him?

For the record, JVG screwed V-Span a lot, he should have been playing 20+ minutes a game all year last year....

So, I guess I am asking you do you think V-Span will opt out and does Houston stand a chance at getting him?

As for Sam Fisher, that guy is a notorious V-Span hater, and JVG lover, so his opinion is about as valuable as the US dollar is to the Euro today.



And most fans in Houston still love him...regardless of what JVG said.....we know the truth...

DD

[Indazone]

Well fans who do not read the bulletin boards like Spanoulis. Lots of people who I talk to about Spanoulis say he wasn't given a fair chance. Wanted to see him play more. It's the people who read the bulletin board that are jaded. Houston has 6 million people. The Bulletin board has a few thousand people on it. So you see, what they say in the bulletin board doesn't matter. Houston Chronicle Newspaper is more valuable in terms of information and people's opinions are made on their own.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Spanoulis team Panathinaikos beat Olympiacos today 81-79 to win enic Cup Championship

Spanoulis lead team in point score with 20 and in assist with 7 (this be like 14 assist in NBA method of count assist).

But Spanoulis not get enic Cup MVP award Kostas Tsartsaris his teammate gets MVP award but he only have 14 point and 5 rebound in game. This 3 straight time Tsartsaris win Greek Cup MVP award now very good for him.

MVP voters say they punish Spanoulis and not give him MVP award because he miss 5 free throw in game. This not good thing though miss 5 free throw. Anyway like say today Spanoulis team win enic Cup champions and he have great game.

[Kobayagi]

Spanoulis lead team in point score with 20 and in assist with 7 (this be like 14 assist in NBA method of count assist).

Explain this part to me, please.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Explain this part to me, please.

You understand that FIBA assist is count different from NBA assist yes? For NBA way of count assist Spanoulis have 14 today. For FIBA way of count assist Spanoulis have 7 today.