Time to Trade

[mountainballer]

You guys don't have to like or endorse D. West or Wally or Hughes or Green, but the point here is that we should be looking at guys that their teams want to deal or don't need anymore.

All I ask is for some creativity, unless you are in favor of standing pat.

never ever heard that the Sonics want to trade West. yes, he has lost his spot in the rotation, but I still think they want to keep him. he will be a restricted FA, so the Sonics can wait what the market will tell about his price.
he will be a nice back-up PG/SG.
but if he could be had (for cheap, like a Spurs 1st round pick), then yes, they should consider this.

[tav1]

You guys don't have to like or endorse D. West or Wally or Hughes or Green, but the point here is that we should be looking at guys that their teams want to deal or don't need anymore.

All I ask is for some creativity, unless you are in favor of standing pat.

The problem here is that our evaluation(s) of talent is different. All the guys listed above look like duds to me, especially when one considers their contracts. Some of the guys I'd like to see the Spurs target--Jarrett Jack, Charlie Villanueva--might seem like duds to you. Perhaps they're simply not obtainable. Although I suspect that a first round pick and Elson's expiring deal could land either player--unless Portland and Milwaukee insist on using them as sweeteners to unload a Miles or Gadzuric, which would be smart.

[hater]

I think a trade might be what we need as well

[Ghost Writer]

I like Villanueva, but I don't know if he solves our need for a perimeter threat, i.e. someone who can create his own shot and not just launch 3s.

[cash459]

newbie here, and glad to be a part of this board...

well, i had to join a post, so i could get some stuff off my chest about trades that the spurs should do.... my only request, is that trade Oberto. I know that they just recently signed him to an extension, but if they decide that they wanna keep him, then by all means get him a "pair" he plays every game like he's confused or scared. stop looking like a i cant count the number of times he has blown opportunities down the stretch or couldnt defend or get a damn rebound.

AAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

thanks for letting me vent. ....reply as necessary

[AFBlue]

You guys don't have to like or endorse D. West or Wally or Hughes or Green, but the point here is that we should be looking at guys that their teams want to deal or don't need anymore.

All I ask is for some creativity, unless you are in favor of standing pat.

Atlanta:
Anthony Johnson ($2.8M) or Tyronn Lue ($3.5M)

Charlotte:
Ot a Harrington ($2.4M)

Chicago:
Chris Duhon ($3.3M) or Joe Smith ($5.2M)

Denver:
JR Smith ($1.65M)

Golden State:
Mickael Pietrus ($3.5M)

Indiana:
Jeff Foster ($5.7M)

LA Clippers:
Sam Cassell ($6.1M)

Memphis:
Hakim Warrick ($1.4M)

Miami:
Alonzo Mourning ($2.8M)

Milwaukee:
Charlie Villanueva ($2.7M) or Dan Gadzuric ($5.7M)

Minnesota:
Gerald Green ($1.4M) or Micheal Doleac ($3.1M)

New Jersey:
Antoine Wright ($1.7M) or Bostjan Nachbar ($2.5M

New Orleans:
Rasual Butler ($3.3M)

New York:
Fred Jones ($3.3M)

Philadelphia:
Willie Green ($3.M) or Rodney Carney ($1.6M)

Portland:
Channing Frye ($2.4M) or Joel Przybilla ($5.7M)

Sacramento:
John Salmons ($4.8M)

Seattle:
Damien Wilkins ($2.9M) or Nick Collison ($5.75M)

Toronto:
Joey Graham ($1.6M)


I'm sure there's a few that I missed....but that should be a reasonable list to work from.

[Ghost Writer]

Excellent work, Tony.

Denver:
JR Smith ($1.65M)

Golden State:
Mickael Pietrus ($3.5M)

Indiana:
Jeff Foster ($5.7M)

LA Clippers:
Sam Cassell ($6.1M)

Memphis:
Hakim Warrick ($1.4M)

Milwaukee:
Charlie Villanueva ($2.7M) or Dan Gadzuric ($5.7M)

Minnesota:
Gerald Green ($1.4M)

New Jersey:
Antoine Wright ($1.7M)

New Orleans:
Rasual Butler ($3.3M)


Philadelphia:
Willie Green ($3.M)

Portland:
Channing Frye ($2.4M) or Joel Przybilla ($5.7M)

Sacramento:
John Salmons ($4.8M)

Seattle:
Damien Wilkins ($2.9M)


Some of them are too good for their teams to give up, like Salmons and Green.

Warrick and Smith have big upside.

Wright is intriguing as he has worked really hard on his game.

The two Portland centers are starting quality, but will be behind Odem and Aldridge next year.

Butler plays D and hits 3s... Spurs material.

Foster is a workhorse on the boards.


Great suggestions here.


I want Cassell.

[mountainballer]

I'm sure there's a few that I missed....but that should be a reasonable list to work from.

very reasonable.
I add matt Barnes (3.0M) and Costa Perovic (1.8M). reports say that Warriors and Webber are close to an agreement. can't see Webber come in for 10 MPG, so his minutes will come from Barnes. Warriors have to open a roster spot and might prefer to do this via a 2 for 1 trade rather than just waive a player.

Udonis Haslem (6.0), Mark Blount (6.7), Smush Parker (2.2). Riley talked about getting far enough under the cap to be able to go for a premium FA this summer. the only way to do this, is trading some of the above listed players for expiring contracts. (assuming that noone takes Shaq's 20 million contract)

Darius Songaila (3.9)
Jared Jeffries (5.6)
Walter Herrmann (1.9)
Primoz Brezec (2.7)
Ronald Murray (1.9)
Viktor Khryapa (1.9)
Shannon Brown (1.0)
Jamaal Magloire (4.0)
Marko Jaric (6.0)

[AFBlue]

Notice I also posted some pretty useless players (Harrington) in case the Spurs just want to have more financial flexibility if they choose to make more than one move and stay under the lux tax threshold.

Example:

Spurs trade Elson to Charlotte for Harrington

Spurs waive Richardson

Spurs trade $1.7M exception and future first round pick to Denver for JR Smith.



NOTE: A cap expert would have to tell me if this scenario indeed put the Spurs over the lux tax threshold...b/c I don't know just looking at those numbers.

[mountainballer]

my guess is, that if the Spurs really wanted JR Smith, they could get him for Elson straight (plus a filler like Wafer to make the numbers work). Denver needs frontcourt help with Nene out and they know Elson (for whatever this is worth. maybe also the deal breaker)

[AFBlue]

my guess is, that if the Spurs really wanted JR Smith, they could get him for Elson straight (plus a filler like Wafer to make the numbers work). Denver needs frontcourt help with Nene out and they know Elson (for whatever this is worth. maybe also the deal breaker)

Good points....worked on Realgm tradechecker.

But then the Spurs would be down a big man.

[mountainballer]

Good points....worked on Realgm tradechecker.

But then the Spurs would be down a big man.

they have Ian with them on the trip. not that he would be a great help, but currently I think that any big can provide what Elson does (or does not)

[loveforthegame]

I'm sure the Spurs are looking at all possiblities. Whether something gets done is another matter.

I don't know if we can continue on with Elson and Bonner glued to the bench. Not with Horry and Oberto having ups and downs. Not to mention Barry sidelined for a month.

[Ghost Writer]

Udonis Haslem (6.0), Mark Blount (6.7), Smush Parker (2.2). Riley talked about getting far enough under the cap to be able to go for a premium FA this summer. the only way to do this, is trading some of the above listed players for expiring contracts. (assuming that noone takes Shaq's 20 million contract)

Haslem is perfect for the Spurs, but Riles won't let him go. He's the heart of that team.

Blount blows. He plays too far from the basket.

Parker is an okay backup.

The guy I really am intrigued by is Jason Williams. He's a free agent at the end of the year. He's starting there, but Riley likes his backup Chris Quinn. J-Will is not the crazy balla he used to be. The Heat won a le with him starting. He might be good to borrow for the home stretch and then he can walk.

[tav1]

Atlanta:
Anthony Johnson ($2.8M) or Tyronn Lue ($3.5M)

Charlotte:
Ot a Harrington ($2.4M)

Chicago:
Chris Duhon ($3.3M) or Joe Smith ($5.2M)

Denver:
JR Smith ($1.65M)

Golden State:
Mickael Pietrus ($3.5M)

Indiana:
Jeff Foster ($5.7M)

LA Clippers:
Sam Cassell ($6.1M)

Memphis:
Hakim Warrick ($1.4M)

Miami:
Alonzo Mourning ($2.8M)

Milwaukee:
Charlie Villanueva ($2.7M) or Dan Gadzuric ($5.7M)

Minnesota:
Gerald Green ($1.4M) or Micheal Doleac ($3.1M)

New Jersey:
Antoine Wright ($1.7M) or Bostjan Nachbar ($2.5M

New Orleans:
Rasual Butler ($3.3M)

New York:
Fred Jones ($3.3M)

Philadelphia:
Willie Green ($3.M) or Rodney Carney ($1.6M)

Portland:
Channing Frye ($2.4M) or Joel Przybilla ($5.7M)

Sacramento:
John Salmons ($4.8M)

Seattle:
Damien Wilkins ($2.9M) or Nick Collison ($5.75M)

Toronto:
Joey Graham ($1.6M)


I'm sure there's a few that I missed....but that should be a reasonable list to work from.

Very good list. I'd add these, too:

Detroit: Hermann, Flip Murray

Portland:Webster and Jack

Miami: Dorrell Wright

New York: Balkman and Chandler

[AFBlue]

Very good list. I'd add these, too:

Detroit: Hermann, Flip Murray

Portland:Webster and Jack

Miami: Dorrell Wright

New York: Balkman and Chandler

Not sure about Webster. I think he's played his way INTO their future plans with his strong season.

Every other one I could see under some cir stance.

[AFBlue]

Very good list. I'd add these, too:

Detroit: Hermann, Flip Murray

Portland:Webster and Jack

Miami: Dorrell Wright

New York: Balkman and Chandler

I think Webster has played his way INTO the future plans of the Blazers, but I can see a situation with anyone of those others.

[tav1]

I like Villanueva, but I don't know if he solves our need for a perimeter threat, i.e. someone who can create his own shot and not just launch 3s.

Yes, this is true. I'm near the point of thinking that we're not going to solve the wing problem this season. Our best bet is to roll with the swings we've got, especially as Udoka improves and Barry returns.

I think Pop is near conceding as much given the foray into small ball. My hope is for the Spurs to trade for a scoring 4 or point with an expiring or short term deal, and then deal with the bigger issues in the offseason.

Here's the other thing: I don't think the Spurs have the time or minutes to work in a swing at this point of the season--but the current rotation could accomadate a new big man or point.

Villanueva gives us a 4 who can spot up the perimeter, much like Bonner, but with the athleticism to put the ball on the floor and score against slower defenders. He also has a decent post game and is a good rebounder. In other words, he allows the Spurs to play small with Duncan at the 5--but at 6'11 Villanueva can play small without actually being small. Udoka at the 4 in a small ball set is a recipe for trouble.

Villanueva also helps quite a bit in terms of providing a little more scoring. There are many night when he can give 15 or 20 points.

[tav1]

Not sure about Webster. I think he's played his way INTO their future plans with his strong season.

Every other one I could see under some cir stance.

Maybe. Webster's a starter there, but often plays fewer minutes than Outlaw and about as many minutes as Jones. The Trailblazers are playing Jack at the 2, behind Roy, but Jack's minutes are way done. Steve Blake and Spanish Chocolate are receiving most of the minutes at point, with McMillian favorite Taureen Green in the wings. Add the incoming Rudy Fernandez to this and things are crowded.

My guess is that McMillian and Pritchard will try to resign Jones in the offseason and move forward with a rotation of Blake/Sergio; Roy/Fernandez; Outlaw/Jones; Aldridge/vet big; Oden/Pryzzy. That leaves Webster, Jack and Frye on the outside looking in. Plus, if they move forward like this, they'll have cap space for a big 2009 free agent season as well as money to pay Oden, Aldridge and Roy their market price when rookie deals expire. They can do this *if* they're paying rookie scales to players like Fernandez and Freeland.

In short, I see Jack, Webster and Frye being moved for a combination of expiring deals and draft picks over the next year, starting as early as this month.

[hsxvvd]

I see Jason Kidd's name is being thrown around yet again, Maybe bringing Kidd in for Parker would sure up the back-to-back, I know he doesn't have too long left, but this way we get something for Parker before he bolts to LA or starts demanding a trade, just like Pop said he's got a lot of other things on his mind. We might even be able to snare a draft pick or someone like Wright or Williams from the Nets also.

[tav1]

I see Jason Kidd's name is being thrown around yet again, Maybe bringing Kidd in for Parker would sure up the back-to-back, I know he doesn't have too long left, but this way we get something for Parker before he bolts to LA or starts demanding a trade, just like Pop said he's got a lot of other things on his mind. We might even be able to snare a draft pick or someone like Wright or Williams from the Nets also.

Are you serious?!? Kidd makes twice as much as Parker and is, using my fingers and toes, about 30 years older. We'd have to give up Parker and Barry just to make the money work...

Come on.

[Ghost Writer]

The Nets are f'ed.

They need to get rid of Kidd and Carter.

Scrap the whole thing.

We don't need and can't afford either.

[Whisky Dog]

The Spurs are weak in the frontcourt with only one true inside front court player worth a (Oberto) playing next to Duncan. The main problem right now is that Oberto isn't playing worth a , and that along with Parker's problems are the main difference between the Spurs of late 2007 and now. If Parker gets right and Oberto shows up again come playoff time then this team has a whole different look. I'd put the odds at 71% that happens given Oberto's same horrible play during the last regular season only to step it up several notches in April.

[Ghost Writer]

Older teams that have won before sometimes get complacent.

A marginal trade can shake them up, especially if we bring in a journeyman who wants a ring or a veteran that wants to get back there.

It's not just about what the new players could do for the rotation.

[Ghost Writer]

How many more you guys wanna lose before you agree that the roster is too complacent, too old and too hobbled?

Question.