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    Wow, you aren't following. I believe in the Big Bang theory. I believe that it came about by God. That before God started the Big Bang, there was Nothingness. Nothingness = The absence of anything (even dark matter).

    So when I pose the question to those who don't believe in God, I ask, how did the Universe come out of Nothing ? What existed before the Big Bang ? If ANYTHING existed at all to spark the Big Bang, how did it get there ? Who made it possible ? What were the origins ?

    Some have said, "I don't know, but eventually science will give us the answer."

    I don't agree.
    So you don't believe in what the bible literally says, you have your own personal religion, in which the christian god and the big bang that has happened some 14 billion years ago, co-exist. Gotta say that's a strange type of heresy

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    Whose "interpretation" is it if it's not yours?

    Giving to the needy is a good deed. God says he wants others to see this but then later he says he doesn't. It's a contradiction.

    If you want another alleged contradiction to try to debunk, just ask.
    Blake - you're being difficult for the sake of arguing and sorry, but I'm not biting. I explained the differences and I'm not going to qualify your "God says good deeds in one verse and in the other - they're the same" argument because I've shown that they are not. Thanks for the responses though.

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    woof woof, godmonger
    bow wow yourself mr. knowitall

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    Anyone else love the irony of posting this using technology (computer, internet, possibly wireless, etc. etc.) that represents the culmination of hundreds of years of scientific progress?

    Newsflash, you're posting on some of the "crap" that science and the scientific method has come up with using hundreds of years of the same methodology that it uses for big bang cosmology.

    You're driving (assuming you have a car or take public transportation) some of the "crap" that science has come up with using hundreds of years of the same methodology that it uses for big bang cosmology.

    You're talking (cell phone) on some of the "crap" that science has come up with using hundreds of years of the same methodology that it uses for big bang cosmology.

    It's actually quite difficult to think of an aspect of your life that isn't in some way the product of scientific progress.



    My heart pumps blood.
    I believe in science and technology the kind that can be studied here on EARTH, the problem is that these astrophysics scientists make a WHOLE lot of assumptions on something they can't entirely prove, enough to fill a book. It's all theoretical but they behave as if entirely true. I've got issue with that.. obviously, partly cause they create funding for themselves by coming out with this stuff. Illustrators are their best friends cause if it wasnt' for their pretty pictures (aka marketing) nobody would give a hoot about them. And even if these guys are mostly right, it amazes me they can figure this out from millions of light years away, but can't solve problems here at home.

    I'll believe what I feel is right, and you will do the same... fair enough?

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    I believe in science and technology the kind that can be studied here on EARTH, the problem is that these astrophysics scientists make a WHOLE lot of assumptions on something they can't entirely prove, enough to fill a book. It's all theoretical but they behave as if entirely true. I've got issue with that.. obviously, partly cause they create funding for themselves by coming out with this stuff. Illustrators are their best friends cause if it wasnt' for their pretty pictures (aka marketing) nobody would give a hoot about them. And even if these guys are mostly right, it amazes me they can figure this out from millions of light years away, but can't solve problems here at home.

    I'll believe what I feel is right, and you will do the same... fair enough?
    Quoting this, just because such extreme cases of hypocrisy have to be admired

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    Quoting this, just because such extreme cases of hypocrisy have to be admired
    Really how so?! It's no different that what you guys are saying, but somehow that makes you smarter/better than me? I think not..
    Last edited by all_heart; 03-04-2012 at 03:10 AM.

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    Blake - you're being difficult for the sake of arguing and sorry, but I'm not biting. I explained the differences and I'm not going to qualify your "God says good deeds in one verse and in the other - they're the same" argument because I've shown that they are not. Thanks for the responses though.
    Your explanation failed imo. Sorry you don't like it.

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    To put it nicely...you are being ridiculous.

    The way I see it, nobody has proof. I get a kick out of "science" and the "crap" they come up with. If these geniuses are so freakin smart in solving problems a million light years away with blips on screens or random data spewing out on a screen, then they should switch careers and solve some real problems like diseases, new energy and world economy.

    Non-believers try to rationalize with their minds, they must have empirical proof. Believers follow their hearts.. that's why it's call FAITH. The chances of atheists changing a Believers mind is moot, don't bother trying, in fact you are probably increasing their Faith as you try to ridicule them.
    Why do you have a nonbeliever as your avatar?

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    I believe in science and technology the kind that can be studied here on EARTH, the problem is that these astrophysics scientists make a WHOLE lot of assumptions on something they can't entirely prove, enough to fill a book. It's all theoretical but they behave as if entirely true. I've got issue with that.. obviously, partly cause they create funding for themselves by coming out with this stuff. Illustrators are their best friends cause if it wasnt' for their pretty pictures (aka marketing) nobody would give a hoot about them. And even if these guys are mostly right, it amazes me they can figure this out from millions of light years away, but can't solve problems here at home.

    I'll believe what I feel is right, and you will do the same... fair enough?
    The main difference is that scientists admit they could be wrong. The amazing thing about research is when you fail, it means you have to find another way to prove you're right. You may never be right, but in the pursuit you may find answers to many other questions.
    When you believe in a particular faith, everyone else is wrong & you are right. Regardless of the laws of nature & facts, your faith is the answer w/o knowing what the question is.
    It is a stacked deck.
    Last edited by E-RockWill; 03-04-2012 at 08:53 AM. Reason: your, not you're...damnit...

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    Why do you have a nonbeliever as your avatar?
    Should it matter? I don't mix b-ball with religion.... and cuz he's all_heart .. that's why!

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    The main difference is that scientists admit they could be wrong. The amazing thing about research is when you fail, it means you have to find another way to prove you're right. You may never be right, but in the pursuit you may find answers to many other questions.
    When you believe in a particular faith, everyone else is wrong & you are right. Regardless of the laws of nature & facts, your faith is the answer w/o knowing what the question is.
    It is a stacked deck.
    People who have faith can't prove their right, they can only profess what they believe is true in their hearts and souls. It's hard to argue w/people about their religion, it's just the way it is. Doing so only makes us believe more... for me anyway. Difference is we don't ridicule you the way you ridicule people of faith, it may upset us, but at the end of the day we pray for you.. like it or not. It's best to have a mutual respect and that's it. The same way no Laker fan is going to convert me!!

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    To put it nicely...you are being ridiculous.

    The way I see it, nobody has proof.
    So you agree that following orders from a dog is just as baseless (or plausible, if you prefer) as following guidance from a supposed invisible, omnipotent being?

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    To put it nicely...you are being ridiculous.

    The way I see it, nobody has proof. I get a kick out of "science" and the "crap" they come up with. If these geniuses are so freakin smart in solving problems a million light years away with blips on screens or random data spewing out on a screen, then they should switch careers and solve some real problems like diseases, new energy and world economy.

    Non-believers try to rationalize with their minds, they must have empirical proof. Believers follow their hearts.. that's why it's call FAITH. The chances of atheists changing a Believers mind is moot, don't bother trying, in fact you are probably increasing their Faith as you try to ridicule them.

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    To put it nicely...you are being ridiculous.

    The way I see it, nobody has proof. I get a kick out of "science" and the "crap" they come up with. If these geniuses are so freakin smart in solving problems a million light years away with blips on screens or random data spewing out on a screen, then they should switch careers and solve some real problems like diseases, new energy and world economy.

    Non-believers try to rationalize with their minds, they must have empirical proof. Believers follow their hearts.. that's why it's call FAITH. The chances of atheists changing a Believers mind is moot, don't bother trying, in fact you are probably increasing their Faith as you try to ridicule them.
    Those real problems ARE looked at by using the method called Science. Some people have faith in this method just like you have faith. Ask yourself what is this FAITH based on...? For Science and Religion. Maybe you will learn more about very human attempts to explain the world about us.

    Next time you go to the doctor or think about how we got to the moon, use your heart and deny any drug treatment for an illness, and tell yourself we really did not walk on the moon.

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    All you knowledge people thank you know all this science stuff. It's just a religion, admit it. You are all made at God but he still loves you.

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    Bill Maher's Religulous is great.

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    All you knowledge people thank you know all this science stuff. It's just a religion, admit it. You are all made at God but he still loves you.
    Belief in anything requires some sort of faith.

    Again, ask yourself what is your faith based upon.

    How did you come to your belief system? A bit of self-examination is a very human thing. Personally, thats all I can do.

    May Oden keep you safe from Frost Giants.

    A blessing on your head, mozzletoff.

    Continue with your own blessing...

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    So you agree that following orders from a dog is just as baseless (or plausible, if you prefer) as following guidance from a supposed invisible, omnipotent being?
    Only to a non-believer (or a computer) would that be true. Not for me. I don't think like you. You believe what you want, so will I.

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    So you agree that following orders from a dog is just as baseless (or plausible, if you prefer) as following guidance from a supposed invisible, omnipotent being?
    Nobody agrees with your dumb-ass analogy. It's insulting and filled with vitriol. You're either an idiot, an asshole or both. If you are this stupid, then let me explain the difference.

    God came to Earth through his son Jesus. Jesus' words were placed in a Bible. The Bible was divinely inspired and written by man and chronicles among other things, the words and actions of a very real man - Jesus. Christians believe Jesus' message to be equal to that of God.

    This isn't some sort of a joke. So no, the ramblings and actions of a delusional psychopath that says a Dog somehow developed speech and ordered/guided him to commit murder is not the same thing.

    Debating the existence of God often becomes heated and its usually because of insensitive and ignorant people like you who wish to somehow place themselves at a higher intellectual level than those with faith.

    You couldn't be more wrong in your assumptions about those who believe in God. Every religion has their extremists who are misguided. I don't think any form of extremism or intolerance is healthy, but when assholes like you choose to ridicule others who don't share your beliefs, you deserve every bit of the insults returned. There's nothing humorous about comparing God to the Easter Bunny, Odin, Zeus or Ferries.

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    Those real problems ARE looked at by using the method called Science. Some people have faith in this method just like you have faith. Ask yourself what is this FAITH based on...? For Science and Religion. Maybe you will learn more about very human attempts to explain the world about us.

    Next time you go to the doctor or think about how we got to the moon, use your heart and deny any drug treatment for an illness, and tell yourself we really did not walk on the moon.
    The difference is I got Faith, you got faith. I've prayed and listened to the Word and have believed in my heart that to be true. Have you ever prayed? Has anybody ever taught you about God? I've already said I believe in science there is nothing wrong with most science. I also believe God has made this possible. Have you ever studied genetics? The structure of DNA and the way it works is amazing and for me it reaffirms it was God's hand that put it all together for us to figure out. I also believe NOBODY is perfect whatever it is you believe in or don't believe. Do you believe in truly evil people? If so, then you must believe in the opposite as well.

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    Nobody agrees with your dumb-ass analogy. It's insulting and filled with vitriol. You're either an idiot, an asshole or both. If you are this stupid, then let me explain the difference.

    God came to Earth through his son Jesus. Jesus' words were placed in a Bible. The Bible was divinely inspired and written by man and chronicles among other things, the words and actions of a very real man - Jesus. Christians believe Jesus' message to be equal to that of God.

    This isn't some sort of a joke. So no, the ramblings and actions of a delusional psychopath that says a Dog somehow developed speech and ordered/guided him to commit murder is not the same thing.

    Debating the existence of God often becomes heated and its usually because of insensitive and ignorant people like you who wish to somehow place themselves at a higher intellectual level than those with faith.

    You couldn't be more wrong in your assumptions about those who believe in God. Every religion has their extremists who are misguided. I don't think any form of extremism or intolerance is healthy, but when assholes like you choose to ridicule others who don't share your beliefs, you deserve every bit of the insults returned. There's nothing humorous about comparing God to the Easter Bunny, Odin, Zeus or Ferries.
    Thanks! +10000000

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    Bill Maher's Religulous is great.
    I agree. I thought it was very insightful. Like Maher says, "I don't agree."

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    Nobody agrees with your dumb-ass analogy. It's insulting and filled with vitriol. You're either an idiot, an asshole or both. If you are this stupid, then let me explain the difference.

    God came to Earth through his son Jesus. Jesus' words were placed in a Bible. The Bible was divinely inspired and written by man and chronicles among other things, the words and actions of a very real man - Jesus. Christians believe Jesus' message to be equal to that of God.

    This isn't some sort of a joke. So no, the ramblings and actions of a delusional psychopath that says a Dog somehow developed speech and ordered/guided him to commit murder is not the same thing.

    Debating the existence of God often becomes heated and its usually because of insensitive and ignorant people like you who wish to somehow place themselves at a higher intellectual level than those with faith.

    You couldn't be more wrong in your assumptions about those who believe in God. Every religion has their extremists who are misguided. I don't think any form of extremism or intolerance is healthy, but when assholes like you choose to ridicule others who don't share your beliefs, you deserve every bit of the insults returned. There's nothing humorous about comparing God to the Easter Bunny, Odin, Zeus or Ferries.
    Neat post. You still haven't proved that the dog didnt give him orders, much like you havent proved god has given you guidelines/shown you a path.

    There's only one thing we know for sure from either story: the dog existed

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