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  1. #101
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    So would you guys have changed your mind if he stood there and blocked strikes instead of attacking and repositioning?
    Not sure that I would call it "attacking and repositioning." I'm not sure what would change my mind.

    So, if Kalib Starnes had punched Quarry a few times, or landed a few kicks while still 'eluding' Quarry, would you be a fan of his?

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    Haha...Starnes is a pussy.

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    The 2 of them have become a side show act and it is played out. o needs to dump her already.

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    Not sure that I would call it "attacking and repositioning." I'm not sure what would change my mind.

    So, if Kalib Starnes had punched Quarry a few times, or landed a few kicks while still 'eluding' Quarry, would you be a fan of his?
    Seriously....you think what Lyoto and Kalib did is even in the same ballpark?

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    Seriously....you think what Lyoto and Kalib did is even in the same ballpark?
    No -- Lyoto does come in and strike sometimes. That's why I asked, if Kalib had added some strikes in there, would you think he was good fighter?

    I mean, Lyoto showed that he could take o down. Why didn't he attack o with a take down and work some G-n-P, or use his great BJJ skills?

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    No -- Lyoto does come in and strike sometimes. That's why I asked, if Kalib had added some strikes in there, would you think he was good fighter?

    I mean, Lyoto showed that he could take o down. Why didn't he attack o with a take down and work some G-n-P, or use his great BJJ skills?
    Lyoto is a great fighter...he just dosent want to take the chance of getting countered. I cant blame him, but it dosent make for an exciting fight.

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    No -- Lyoto does come in and strike sometimes. That's why I asked, if Kalib had added some strikes in there, would you think he was good fighter?

    I mean, Lyoto showed that he could take o down. Why didn't he attack o with a take down and work some G-n-P, or use his great BJJ skills?
    When that happened and he was pounding o out, he was really saved by the bell, i knew o was through. As a fan of his it was tough to see but it was one of those, this is the end for o type of moments.

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    No -- Lyoto does come in and strike sometimes. That's why I asked, if Kalib had added some strikes in there, would you think he was good fighter?

    Simply striking doesn't make him a good fighter..Lyoto was striking and floating away like a puff of smoke. Kalib was simply running.

    Every step and attack Lyoto made he was trying to set up another move.

    I mean, Lyoto showed that he could take o down. Why didn't he attack o with a take down and work some G-n-P, or use his great BJJ skills?
    Being such an amazing technical fighter I assume his was doing exactly what his corner was telling him. Besides... o wasn't landing ...why risk it? o should absolutely zero ability to handle Lyoto.

    Look I'm not saying we had 2004 Cro Cop out there...but to me it was far from boring.
    Last edited by Evan; 05-26-2008 at 07:35 PM.

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    Lyoto is a great fighter...he just dosent want to take the chance of getting countered. I cant blame him, but it dosent make for an exciting fight.
    While I found it thrilling I can certainly understand why the masses may feel like this.

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    I give Toquihno 3 fights max until he breaks somebody's bone(s). His subs look as if not more viscous than Mir's.

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    Simply striking doesn't make him a good fighter..Lyoto was striking and floating away like a puff of smoke. Kalib was simply running.

    Every step and attack Lyoto made he was trying to set up another move.
    He didn't look to setup another move. There were plenty of opportunities where Lyoto could have done much more with his striking and combos, but simply didn't capitalize on them. He looked to land a strike and immediately move out of the way. E.g., look at his low-right, high-left combo. Before he even followed through with the RHK he was leaning back and immediately was moving out.

    Being such an amazing technical fighter I assume his was doing exactly what his corner was telling him. Besides... o wasn't landing ...why risk it? o should absolutely zero ability to handle Lyoto.

    Look I'm not saying we had 2004 Cro Cop out there...but to me it was far from boring.
    Was Quarry landing anything against Starnes?
    But that's the reason people don't like him. That's the reason he will NEVER be a big time fighter.

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    He is greatly improving with each fight and this is coming from someone who used to think he was boring.

    13-0...you can't call his career just yet. Let him at least hit his stride.

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    Sherk looked good as ...he could beat BJ in a rematch imo.

    Wandy is a beast end of story. is he dropping to 185?
    Sherk's gameplan was not a good one at all. After RD 1 when he got outstruck on the feet and went back to his corner cut under his eye, he needed to change strategies in RD 2. He never once did anything but stand and trade with Penn, that was the extent of his gameplan. He was so scared of Penn's submissions that takedowns were not something he was looking for and you are not going to beat BJ by fighting one dimensional like that. It wasn't that Sherk was not as skilled a boxer, it was the reach advantage that BJ had that was killing him.

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    You would have thought I wrote this.

    http://fightlinker.com/blog/?p=2341

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    Love this quote from some anonymous fan:

    "Lyoto is the San Antonio Spurs of MMA… they keep winning and the ratings suck no matter what."

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    Love this quote from some anonymous fan:

    "Lyoto is the San Antonio Spurs of MMA… they keep winning and the ratings suck no matter what."
    heh...fundamentals

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    It is so hard to gameplan for a guy like Lyoto, he is so awkward. I heard even Liddell didn't want to fight that guy.

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    9/11 on my picks...and I switched to Yoshida, but never changed it here..

    Great card overall...9 fights and only 1 decision...

    BJ is the man...will be interesting to see if he gets his way. GSP is already fighting Fitch in August. Too bad they can't get Gomi, Aoki, or whoever wins the DREAM LW GP in for his next fight. I'd LOVE to see him smash Florian or Huerta though...

    Wanderlei "The Roid Monkey" Silva looked great...definitely the shaved head that made the difference. Jardine has to be the most inconsistent fighter ever...

    Machida- o...eh...whatever. If o had pulled off the triangle/armbar it would've been an all-time great comeback. Machida doesn't excite me, but he's a genius in the ring. Would like to see Wanderlei vs Machida...

    Goran Reljic definitely has something...Gouveia is no joke. Great kicks, good striking overall, and smart (ie, pulling guard when hurt).

    Silva-Mendes was better than expected...props to Mendes for coming out blazing...

    Glad Sokoudjou got the win...see ya Nakamura. We'll miss your funny weigh-ins...

    Salaverry mailed it in as expected...

    Carwin got the impressive win as expected...

    and Yoshida and Kim looked GREAT...can't wait to see more of them...

    Sherk looked good as ...he could beat BJ in a rematch imo.
    WHAAAAAAAAAAA????????????????//

    Sherk isn't in BJ's class...

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    All fights...

    Main Card
    B.J. Penn vs. Sean
    avi - http://www.sendspace.com/file/5829lv

    Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva (KO of the Night)
    avi - http://www.mediafire.com/?54g0jl49b3d
    mpg - http://www.mediafire.com/?uyz4t2yxxtz

    Wilson Gouveia vs. Goran Reljic (Fight of the Night)
    avi – http://www.mediafire.com/?1z7hhetxnn3

    Lyoto Machida vs. o Ortiz
    avi - http://www.sendspace.com/file/0vs5pq

    Thiago Silva vs. Antonio Mendes
    avi - http://www.mediafire.com/?dhzseqzaxbp
    mpg - http://www.mediafire.com/?zuyb3vbajez

    Aired Prelims
    Rousimar Palhares vs. Ivan Salaverry (Submission of the Night)
    avi - http://www.mediafire.com/?m41humcvw3l

    Kazuhiro Nakamura vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
    Wmv (Korean commentary) – http://www.mediafire.com/?y21bmxmmwha

    John Koppenhaver vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida
    Wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?99xlwbci3cg

    Shane Carwin vs. Christian Wellisch
    Wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?gxzvyctnxmj

    Un-aired Prelims
    Dong-Hyun Kim vs. Jason Tan
    Wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?undjwwyv2zt

    Rich Clementi vs. Terry Etim
    wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?9pejcivtsoo

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    BJ is the man...will be interesting to see if he gets his way. GSP is already fighting Fitch in August. Too bad they can't get Gomi, Aoki, or whoever wins the DREAM LW GP in for his next fight. I'd LOVE to see him smash Florian or Huerta though...
    That is the problem when you are GSP and everyone thinks you are so great, everyone wants to fight you looking to take your place. BJ/GSP 2 likely will happen sooner rather than later, because it is a huge selling fight.

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    "Memo to Everyone: Lyoto is Not Starnes"
    http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/05/...kalib-starnes/

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    ...... Jardine has to be the most inconsistent fighter ever...
    I agree with that.

    I think he would be a perfect cross weight for a division between LHW and HW.

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    9/11 on my picks...and I switched to Yoshida, but never changed it here..

    Great card overall...9 fights and only 1 decision...

    BJ is the man...will be interesting to see if he gets his way. GSP is already fighting Fitch in August. Too bad they can't get Gomi, Aoki, or whoever wins the DREAM LW GP in for his next fight. I'd LOVE to see him smash Florian or Huerta though...

    Wanderlei "The Roid Monkey" Silva looked great...definitely the shaved head that made the difference. Jardine has to be the most inconsistent fighter ever...

    Machida- o...eh...whatever. If o had pulled off the triangle/armbar it would've been an all-time great comeback. Machida doesn't excite me, but he's a genius in the ring. Would like to see Wanderlei vs Machida...

    Goran Reljic definitely has something...Gouveia is no joke. Great kicks, good striking overall, and smart (ie, pulling guard when hurt).

    Silva-Mendes was better than expected...props to Mendes for coming out blazing...

    Glad Sokoudjou got the win...see ya Nakamura. We'll miss your funny weigh-ins...

    Salaverry mailed it in as expected...Carwin got the impressive win as expected...

    and Yoshida and Kim looked GREAT...can't wait to see more of them...



    WHAAAAAAAAAAA????????????????//

    Sherk isn't in BJ's class...
    Please give some credit to Palhares on that, and we really cant judge on Sherk because he fought BJs fight.

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    All fights...

    Main Card
    B.J. Penn vs. Sean
    avi - http://www.sendspace.com/file/5829lv

    Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva (KO of the Night)
    avi - http://www.mediafire.com/?54g0jl49b3d
    mpg - http://www.mediafire.com/?uyz4t2yxxtz

    Wilson Gouveia vs. Goran Reljic (Fight of the Night)
    avi – http://www.mediafire.com/?1z7hhetxnn3

    Lyoto Machida vs. o Ortiz
    avi - http://www.sendspace.com/file/0vs5pq

    Thiago Silva vs. Antonio Mendes
    avi - http://www.mediafire.com/?dhzseqzaxbp
    mpg - http://www.mediafire.com/?zuyb3vbajez

    Aired Prelims
    Rousimar Palhares vs. Ivan Salaverry (Submission of the Night)
    avi - http://www.mediafire.com/?m41humcvw3l

    Kazuhiro Nakamura vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
    Wmv (Korean commentary) – http://www.mediafire.com/?y21bmxmmwha

    John Koppenhaver vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida
    Wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?99xlwbci3cg

    Shane Carwin vs. Christian Wellisch
    Wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?gxzvyctnxmj

    Un-aired Prelims
    Dong-Hyun Kim vs. Jason Tan
    Wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?undjwwyv2zt

    Rich Clementi vs. Terry Etim
    wmv (Korean commentary) - http://www.mediafire.com/?9pejcivtsoo

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    Please give some credit to Palhares on that, and we really cant judge on Sherk because he fought BJs fight.
    Go back and read some Salaverry interviews...he mailed it in a while back...

    He fought BJ's fight because he and his team thought it was his best chance. They knew he'd get torched on the ground...

    Completely outclassed...

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