Stein: League acknowledges Spurs' Barry was fouled

[DarrinS]

This sucks. I was hoping to see some Spurs landing on top of Lakers jump shooters in game 5 for non-calls.

[imatroll]

Bottom line, the league is messed up when it comes to the refs. This was the ugliest officiated game I have seen all post season. And I have watched every one of them.

But let's not distract from what nobody wants to look at, and admit.

Nobody want's to look at that last play step by step. They want to look at the foul. So here it is:

1) Barry catches the ball
2) does a little pump fake
3) Fish jumps and Barry steps back with his left leg (establishing his right foot as his pivot foot) at the same time
4) Barry lifts his right foot (pivot foot)
5) Barry releases the ball and Fish fouls him at the same time
6) Barry throws up a prayer

That is called a travel. And then a foul.

Now, what nobody want's to admit, is that if you look at the game as a whole, the Lakers outplayed the Spurs from start to finish. No question about it. The refs are what kept them in it. And so many of you get bent out of shape when the refs dont bail you out yet one more time. The Spurs are the champs, and deserve that respect, but the Lakers were the better team that night.

[DarrinS]

Bottom line, the league is messed up when it comes to the refs. This was the ugliest officiated game I have seen all post season. And I have watched every one of them.

But let's not distract from what nobody wants to look at, and admit.

Nobody want's to look at that last play step by step. They want to look at the foul. So here it is:

1) Barry catches the ball
2) does a little pump fake
3) Fish jumps and Barry steps back with his left leg (establishing his right foot as his pivot foot) at the same time
4) Barrly lifts his right foot (pivot foot)
5) Barry releases the ball and Fish fouls him at the same time
6) Barry throws up a prayer

That is called a travel. And then a foul.

Now, what nobody want's to admit, is that if you look at the game as a whole, the Lakers outplayed the Spurs from start to finish. No question about it. The refs are what kept them in it. And so many of you get bent out of shape when the refs dont bail you out yet one more time. The Spurs are the champs, and deserve that respect, but the Lakers were the better team that night.

Yes, you are a troll.


NBA doesn't acknowledge that so-called travel. I wonder why?

[VinnyTestesVerde]

Bottom line, the league is messed up when it comes to the refs. This was the ugliest officiated game I have seen all post season. And I have watched every one of them.

But let's not distract from what nobody wants to look at, and admit.

Nobody want's to look at that last play step by step. They want to look at the foul. So here it is:

1) Barry catches the ball
2) does a little pump fake
3) Fish jumps and Barry steps back with his left leg (establishing his right foot as his pivot foot) at the same time
4) Barry lifts his right foot (pivot foot)
5) Barry releases the ball and Fish fouls him at the same time
6) Barry throws up a prayer

That is called a travel. And then a foul.

Now, what nobody want's to admit, is that if you look at the game as a whole, the Lakers outplayed the Spurs from start to finish. No question about it. The refs are what kept them in it. And so many of you get bent out of shape when the refs dont bail you out yet one more time. The Spurs are the champs, and deserve that respect, but the Lakers were the better team that night.

We've talked about it a ton. Yes the Lakers outplayed the Spurs the vast majority of the game. Does that mean that the Lakers don't deserve a loss because of blowing the lead, letting the Spurs back in, and committing an obvious foul at the end of the game?? NO.

"Outplaying" a team doesn't automatically mean a team deserves to win. Spurs outplayed the Lakers for the vast majority of Game 1. Did we deserve to win? NO. We pissed away the lead.

"Outplaying" is a moral victory type of term. You can outplay a team all you want, but if you piss away the lead, make mental errors, and up at the end, the team should be held accountable for it.

The Lakers were not held accountable. Congrats.

[Remycs21]

Oh Stern loves him some Spurs, doesn't he?

[Los Spurs]

League acknowledges Spurs' Barry was fouled

Therefore, they owe us game 5, 6, and 7

[imatroll]

We've talked about it a ton. Yes the Lakers outplayed the Spurs the vast majority of the game. Does that mean that the Lakers don't deserve a loss because of blowing the lead, letting the Spurs back in, and committing an obvious foul at the end of the game?? NO.

"Outplaying" a team doesn't automatically mean a team deserves to win. Spurs outplayed the Lakers for the vast majority of Game 1. Did we deserve to win? NO. We pissed away the lead.

"Outplaying" is a moral victory type of term. You can outplay a team all you want, but if you piss away the lead, make mental errors, and up at the end, the team should be held accountable for it.

The Lakers were not held accountable. Congrats.

I counted one mental error and a couple 3-pointers that went in your favor. I also counted Tim Duncan doin the "boot scootn' boogie" all the way to the rim, a shot clock that wasn't reset, which ultimatley led to a desperation shot by Kobe, and the league MVP not going to the line against the most physical perimeter defender in the NBA. I can list more if you like. I really can.

"Does that mean that the Lakers don't deserve a loss because of blowing the lead"

Blowing what lead? The Lakers were leading the entire game. Including the final seconds when your boy traveled.

"letting the Spurs back in, and committing an obvious foul at the end of the game??"

Again, it was an obvious foul. It was an obvious travel also. here it is again for you. I bolded and underlined the link for you. It's also in slow motion. So you might be able to see everything before your beloved foul.

[DarrinS]

Again, it was an obvious foul. It was an obvious travel also.

Q: Why isn't this so-called travel acknowledged by the NBA?

A: Because that is weak.

[imatroll]

Q: Why isn't this so-called travel acknowledged by the NBA?

A: Because that is weak.

Ok. See what you want to see. But the proof is in the video. Your love for your team can't change that.

Also, the league looked at the foul because that is what all the pissing and moaning from you guys is about. Nobody from the Laker side is bringing up the travel because they won. If the league had overturned the call, then you might get some return fire from the Laker side. And you better believe the league would look at it and see the travel that you guys can't.

[DarrinS]

Ok. See what you want to see. But the proof is in the video. Your love for your team can't change that.

Also, the league looked at the foul because that is what all the pissing and moaning from you guys is about. Nobody from the Laker side is bringing up the travel because they won. If the league had overturned the call, then you might get some return fire from the Laker side. And you better believe the league would look at it and see the travel that you guys can't.

The only person from the Lakers or Spurs that ed about officiating in game 4 was Phillip MyAhole Jackson.


Again, you failed to answer the question. If missing the "travel" was such an egregious error, why didn't the NBA acknowlege it?

[VinnyTestesVerde]

I counted one mental error and a couple 3-pointers that went in your favor. I also counted Tim Duncan doin the "boot scootn' boogie" all the way to the rim, a shot clock that wasn't reset, which ultimatley led to a desperation shot by Kobe, and the league MVP not going to the line against the most physical perimeter defender in the NBA. I can list more if you like. I really can.



Blowing what lead? The Lakers were leading the entire game. Including the final seconds when your boy traveled.



Again, it was an obvious foul. It was an obvious travel also. here it is again for you. I bolded and underlined the link for you. It's also in slow motion. So you might be able to see everything before your beloved foul.

I would gladly have taken a reset of the shot-clock. At least if we had that opportunity to foul, there's a chance (however slim) that whoever shooting the FTs could miss. And even if LA sunk both FTs, at least it's a legit path to victory.

Everyone understands that people get away with stuff during the course of an NBA game. I would gladly have the Spurs held accountable for whatever sort of screw-ups they got away with as long as the Lakers would be.

I think all we're asking here is for people to be accountable. If Laker fans would just understand that they got away with a big break, resulting in a series shifting win, then I don't think there would be as much of a problem.

BTW...watching the gif again of Barry. Talk about hanging on to a thread. Trust me, Laker fans don't want refs to start calling travel on moves like that. Prolly should stay mum about that stuff.

[VinnyTestesVerde]

and btw imatroll...the "lead" ya'll blew started with kobe trying to be the hero, missing that runner which led to us cutting the lead to 2. Cutting the lead from 6 to 2 in the span of less than 1 minute = blowing it. what game were you watching?

[jaysmooth422]

NBA Admits the Spurs Got Screwed Out of a Chance to Tie Game 4
Posted May 29th 2008 5:25AM by Matt Watson
Filed under: Lakers, Spurs, Western, NBA Playoffs, Los Angeles

So you know that controversial ending in Game 4 of the Western Conference Finals? My colleague Brett Edwards argued there not a foul; last night, the NBA respectfully disagreed.

Trailing 93-91 on Tuesday night, the Spurs inbounded the ball with 2.1 seconds left to Brent Barry, who was bumped by Los Angeles Lakers guard Derek Fisher on the floor. No foul was called, and Barry missed badly on a 3-pointer before time expired.

[...] "With the benefit of instant replay, it appears a foul should have been called," NBA spokesman Tim Frank said.

I'm glad the league stepped up and did the right thing. I mean, this all the Spurs really wanted, right? A little apologizing goes a long way. In fact, I'm sure it makes the sting of being down 3-1 instead of all tied up actually quite bearable ... right?

Of course not! The Spurs got screwed, plain and simple. The fact the league is sheepishly hanging its head saying "my bad" doesn't change a thing. Sure, chalk one up for transparency, but only if you chalk another one up for bad officiating dictating the outcome of a game -- and possibly the entire series. This apology is too little, too late.

[sa_butta]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97359.

[hater]

[1Parker1]

[AztecPrincss]

Its not the first time sumthing like this happens..They always making their stupid mistakes and then they say sorry ! sounds kinda unprofessional..-_-

[SouthernFried]

How about the GASOL foul on Duncan that gave LA back the ball, instead of 2 FT's for SA?

Both in last minute of game...both affected the outcome...and BOTH were wrong.

Apologize for both right now...and get the 2'fer discount

[mrspurs]

with all do respect....its our players, mostly manu and fab that should say sorry for not even showing up to the game to the NBA...............hopefully tonight they will decide to show up and play basketball for 48 mins.........go spurs go

[Dim Tuncan]

How about the GASOL foul on Duncan that gave LA back the ball, instead of 2 FT's for SA?

Both in last minute of game...both affected the outcome...and BOTH were wrong.

Apologize for both right now...and get the 2'fer discount

Go blow it out yer ass, wad

How about the Duncan travel?

How about Odom's clean block that was called a goaltend?

How about the shotclock not resetting?

How about Kobe having 0 free throws despite being guarded by the most physical perimeter defender on the planet?

[Anti.Hero]

Just stfu about the call. THe Spurs blew too many opportunities and did not deserve to win that game. Jesus Christ. Get over it.

[SouthernFried]

YEah...the SPURS didn't play so great, and shoulda won it MUCH sooner...so its THEIR fault the no calls happened. They shouldn't have let it be so damned close a game.

What the were they thinking not blowing out this team sooner?

The no calls serves 'em right. The refs giving those 2 games to LA is the Spurs own damned fault. Spurs shouldn't have let this game be close. It's their own damn fault LA is also a good team, and your gonna get close games...

It's not about the refs actually affecting outcomes of games...its about the SPURS not blowing out another damned good team.

With all due respect...your a moron.

[Fake Dynasty]

How about the GASOL foul on Duncan that gave LA back the ball, instead of 2 FT's for SA?

Both in last minute of game...both affected the outcome...and BOTH were wrong.

Apologize for both right now...and get the 2'fer discount

How about the Odom block that was called a goal tend? How about the Manu Tres that was actually a Deuce? How about the Fisher shot hitting the rim but being called an airball?

All three of those happened in the last minute or the Spurs are no closer than 5 points in the final seconds.

happens, I guess.

[Anti.Hero]

YEah...the SPURS didn't play so great, and shoulda won it MUCH sooner...so its THEIR fault the no calls happened. They shouldn't have let it be so damned close a game.

What the were they thinking not blowing out this team sooner?

The no calls serves 'em right. The refs giving those 2 games to LA is the Spurs own damned fault. Spurs shouldn't have let this game be close. It's their own damn fault LA is also a good team, and your gonna get close games...

It's not about the refs actually affecting outcomes of games...its about the SPURS not blowing out another damned good team.

With all due respect...your a moron.

you're*

It's just like a fight. You are a MORON if you leave it up to the judges at the end.

The Spurs blew a 20 ing point lead in game 1. The refs did not help the Lakers back in that game.

In game 4, the Spurs go in yet ANOTHER scoring drought. Big surprise. They had numerous chances to hit a big shot and get the lead/momentum and they missed ALL OF THEM. Tough .

ing homers. Only a weak minded person can blame this loss on the refs.

[Mj23foreva]

Duncan did not travel. He took two giant steps. It's an awkward play that you never see and so it may have seemed like a walk. But Look at it a second time. You are misinterpreting the play.

As for the Lebron play - no similarity between that and this. You're blind if you're confusing the two. The fact that you are tells me I shouldn't even be havingthis debate with you - you're eyesight is clearly impaired.

You are as ignorant as they come. I know all fans sometimes turn the other way when their team gets away with something or does something wrong, but Spurs fans just seem to be extremely ignorant.