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    We're not in that bad a situation guys, think about it, the solutions could come from the inside, namely Mahinmi and DerMarr, if Mahinmi is able to play decent 20 mn and Dermarr to be a 10 point shooting threat , we would be okay

    Sure it's quite a big leap for them, but not an impossible one

    Unlike most of you, i like what pop said about the offseason and 'im glad he's running the things inside instead of some other one who would panick and just follow something in the air

    Pop in a no nonsense guy who will do the best possible thing with what he have, most of the time, it is sufficient and the best at ude possible

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    Regardless of how close we might have been, were stil going to have to get younger. Signing either JR Smith or Azubuike to the MLE for 2 years would be the way to go, and throw Mahinmi out there and let him develop so hes ready to give the team something toward the end of the season.

    This wont hurt out 2010 plan.

    Get rid of Horry. And if were keeping Barry, then we should get rid of Finley (expecially if we sign one of the above). Bonner is basically worthless at this point.

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    We need to put some faith in Mahinmi.

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    Finley walks, DerMarr is in. The only thing slowing down DerMarr is opportunity. He'll got an opportunity to learn the Spurs system in Austin, and also practicing and playing with the Spurs. He should get a spot on our summer league team, and I think will be partially guaranteed for training camp.

    If we look elsewhere, look for Pietrus, Azibuke, Gomes, Barnes, or some type of player like that. Those guys won't demand a ton of money.

    JR Smith is someone the Spurs need to stay away from. I liked the idea a few years ago, but once he went to Denver he turned into the kind of guy we don't need. He's not that great of a shooter, he's just streaky.

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    amazing how everyone forelorned the loss of Washington, but other teams in the NBA never picked him up.
    It's not simply the loss of Washington, it's the signals coming from the Spurs that he had promise. They ridded themselves of Beno, presumably in favor of this kid Washington. Then he gets released a couple of weeks later, leaving them with only Jacque Vaughn.

    It's like this organization doesn't have or will not commit toward identifying and sticking to suitable backup players. Even one that needs to develop. They simply seem to have no patience for it.

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    Chump, seriously dude, your posts are making no sense anymore. I don't know what your timezone is, but it's time to log off for a while. Your responses are barely in the same zip code of what I've just said.
    Your posts have never made sense, so I guess you have something in common with him.

    Actually, you don't, his posts make a uva lot more sense than your empty ing about a guy in Javtokas who couldn't even get off the pine for his own team in Europe, yet you insist would be a 35 minute a night starter next to Tim if he were here in SA.

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    It's not simply the loss of Washington, it's the signals coming from the Spurs that he had promise. They ridded themselves of Beno, presumably in favor of this kid Washington. Then he gets released a couple of weeks later, leaving them with only Jacque Vaughn.

    It's like this organization doesn't have or will not commit toward identifying and sticking to suitable backup players. Even one that needs to develop. They simply seem to have no patience for it.
    He did have promise, until he went to total .

    It happens. I don't know why you think its exclusive to the Spurs.

    Heres the thing though, you can't have development of players, AND win now.

    You guys want both at the same time, when its not really possible.

    BTW, Washington was in the organization alot longer than "a couple weeks"

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    washington sucked in with toras

    why would you want him on spurs

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    we most get Ryan Gomes, he our perfect guy, he can play the 3 or the 4 in a shorter lineup, he can shot the 3, he can rebound, he can give us another offence.
    i really think he is our perfect guy, we MUST have him!! if it's depend on me i give him the entire MLE.

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    Ryan Gomes is not a good player.

    He isn't even worth the LLE.

    Guys like Delfino, Azubuike and JR Smith are worth the full MLE.

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    Ryan Gomes is very underrated player

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    Heres the thing though, you can't have development of players, AND win now.
    That would seem to be the case. You just can't use a rotation spot on a young guy if he doesn't fit a role in the hopes of developing him for the future.

    Lakers/Jazz/Bulls/Rockets - None of these groups successfully developed young players to take over when their cores aged.

    That doesn't mean that you can't add some youth and hope to reload. But it's extremely difficult to do and there's a track record against developing young guys during a championship run.

    Maybe the best example of that actually happening was the '03 Spurs. We were able to develop a few unproven (at least at an NBA championship level) players that year. However, IMHO, the NBA (and especially the west) was nowhere near as deep with le contenders in that season as it is currently.

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    he can shot the 3, he can rebound
    Unfortunately, he doesn't do either of those things particularly well.

    He's not the worst option that the Spurs could chase - but there is no "MUST HAVE HIM" involved here at all either.

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    Ryan Gomes is not a good player.

    He isn't even worth the LLE.

    Guys like Delfino, Azubuike and JR Smith are worth the full MLE.
    Gomes could step in and contribute right now. Is he the right player for us? No. But if we could get him with what we need then we'll be better off. You don't know him to well,

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    Ryan Gomes is not a good player.

    He isn't even worth the LLE.

    Guys like Delfino, Azubuike and JR Smith are worth the full MLE.
    I think Delfino and Smith are a step ahead of Azubuike.

    Kelena isn't worth the full MLE, but definitely worth some of it.

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    Don't sign Delfino!

    He has the mental toughness of a crystal cup, and an at ude that can't be backed up by his in-court performance. Under Pop he'll be Beno part II.

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    Don't sign Delfino!

    He has the mental toughness of a crystal cup, and an at ude that can't be backed up by his in-court performance. Under Pop he'll be Beno part II.
    Del is soft and will fold under pressure like Oragami. No D, but he can put the ball in the hoop. J.R is a better scorer if that's what you want.

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    The Spurs need help at the 2 for sure. Even if they can pick up a decent FA, it would be nice to draft someone who will actually see some minutes for them. They've had, and still have their share of projects already.

    They're not going to get a lottery pick, obviously. So they are going to have to try to find a sleeper. They might have to trade up a couple of spots to get him, but Chris Douglas-Roberts looks like one of those. He's mature enough to start playing right away, and he's a character guy who would fit right into the Spurs's organization. He's also a good defender.

    And he's got skills. This was from an article in April: The numbers are pretty staggering when you look at them and compare what he’s doing with his peers in this draft class. On a per-40 minute pace adjusted basis, Douglas-Roberts ranks in the top five in scoring amongst realistic shooting guard prospects, as well as #1 by a large margin in FG%, top five in 3-point percentage, top 5 in free throw attempts, top 5 in PER, top 5 in points per possession, top 5 in true shooting percentage, top 5 in effective field goal percentage, and 8th best in turnovers per possession.

    Derrick Rose is an incredible player. But this guy had a lot to do with Memphis' success too. I don't think there is another player that the Spurs could legitimately get to that could do as much for them right away.

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    The Spurs need help at the 2 for sure. Even if they can pick up a decent FA, it would be nice to draft someone who will actually see some minutes for them. They've had, and still have their share of projects already.

    They're not going to get a lottery pick, obviously. So they are going to have to try to find a sleeper. They might have to trade up a couple of spots to get him, but Chris Douglas-Roberts looks like one of those. He's mature enough to start playing right away, and he's a character guy who would fit right into the Spurs's organization. He's also a good defender.

    And he's got skills. This was from an article in April: The numbers are pretty staggering when you look at them and compare what he’s doing with his peers in this draft class. On a per-40 minute pace adjusted basis, Douglas-Roberts ranks in the top five in scoring amongst realistic shooting guard prospects, as well as #1 by a large margin in FG%, top five in 3-point percentage, top 5 in free throw attempts, top 5 in PER, top 5 in points per possession, top 5 in true shooting percentage, top 5 in effective field goal percentage, and 8th best in turnovers per possession.

    Derrick Rose is an incredible player. But this guy had a lot to do with Memphis' success too. I don't think there is another player that the Spurs could legitimately get to that could do as much for them right away.
    When evaluating all of these stats you have to take in account the system he played in. An uptempo, pressing style of game that suited him. We on the other hand do not play that way mostly. But, we do need easy buckets and he would fit well with Tony in the running aspect. My only concern is when the game breaks down, will he be adequate enough to get a good shot on a consistent basis in the top league in the world. I'm not sure to be honest, but his speed says yes.

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    I'll tell you what to do: We find or plant a Spurs alumni at the highes level at any of the other 29 teams in the NBA and get him to trade their best player to us for crap and expiring contracts.

    This is what A) Kevin Mchale did when he sent Garnett from the Timberwolves (where Mchale is currently Vice President of Basketball Operations) to the Celtics (where he made his living) and B) Jerry West did when he sent Gasol from the Grizzlies (where West is currently President of Basketball Operations) to the Lakers (where he made his living).

    There you have two trades from the current season, involving the teams who are going head-to-head for the NBA Championship this year.

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    Buy NBA League Pass.

    Root for the Lakers.

    Championship solved.

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    in az I can watch kcla which is the lakers station
    however they have big homers that announce the game

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    How can the Spurs get better in the off-season? Here is a start - sign JOSH CHILDRESS this summer. He is young, athletic, and best of all smart. Stanford boy would would fit in well and be able to learn our system faster than most.

    Other than that, we can't spend too much money this summer or we will miss out on the free agent frenzy that will be next summer. But overall I think our core (minus Horry, Vaughn, Fin, and maybe Bonner) is still good enough to compete for the next few years.

    More importantly, we can't pull a Luis Scola move with Tiago Splitter (let him go b/c we are to cheap to pay his buyout) which was a huge mistake on our part - we should have brought over Scola 2 or 3 years ago, and the talk that he wasn't/isn't an "NBA-level forward" can definitely be dismissed after this year.

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    After the Celtics dispatch of the Lakers, we won't have to worry about Laker trolls coming around Spurs message boards. They all talk pretty big for a team that hasn't even started their Finals series. The Celtics will bring them down to earth and all will be good once again. It'll be very interesting to see if the Laker trolls will be man enough to come into these forums after getting destroyed in the Finals.

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    Ryan Gomes is not a good player.

    He isn't even worth the LLE.

    Guys like Delfino, Azubuike and JR Smith are worth the full MLE.
    Gomes is a geat glue guy that can get you double digit rebounds night in and night out.

    But I don't think he's a FA.

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