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don't get me wrong, i think the guy is a good basketball player, but to me he's soft, and he's way too slow to compete in today's NBA game.
Yeh i understand where you are coming from. Its easier said than done. I think we both agree that we need a solid back up PG,and a center that can grab boards and block shots and Manu needs to start. In a few years time i hope those areas are adressed.
don't get me wrong, i think the guy is a good basketball player, but to me he's soft, and he's way too slow to compete in today's NBA game.
yeah, but Hibbert is not the answer.
Not worth starting a thread about that for the moment but some Greek reports are saying that Olympiakos is trying to sign Michael Finley.
You are an idiot.
trade TP? wow...
and we own the rights to about 5 players who we will never see, a complete waste of draft picks...
we shouldve just trade the 2 clowns we just drafted for more 09 2nd round picks.....then use it to move in the first round for 09.....rebuildin plan
the key is to get rid of
oberto- too soft... not good enough for the 3.5 mil he gets
horry- worthless, old, waste of 3.6 mil we give him
vaughn- getting old... turnover machine... hill can replace him
stoudamire- 34?? too old for spurs... horrible player
bonner- great player... but if you arent gonna play him the trade him
questionable keeps
thomas- awesome defnder, can shoot... sign him for a year
barry- still has a year... good perimeter player, perfect for spurs
finley- awesome mid range... still has a few good years
needs:
BIG MEN!!!
we have plenty of small guys... not a good backup point but we have plenty of small guys... we have no real big men... we have oberto(garbage), elson(garbage), thomas(old), and duncan(two big men positions and he is only one big man)
get biedrins!!
diaw!!
bulls have plenty of big men are trying to change things around!!
go for brand!!
make a move spurs... im tired of everyone making changes and we're sitting and drafting ppl from indiana university purdue university at indiana???? wth??
the draft is for teams that are rebuilding... western conference qualifiers dont need rebuilding... they need improving... quit wasting your time getting multiple 2nd round draft picks that might be good... go get a player that has already proved himself
how, pray tell?
my opinion is that almost everyone on the team sucks besides the big 3, but here is my analysis of our current team
Parker: Just fine (KEEP)
Ginobili: has had health issues but nothing serious, he will be just fine (KEEP)
Duncan: Beast (KEEP)
vaughn: horrible, but hopefully george hill will take his spot (LET GO)
stoudamire: disappeared last season after his signing came with hopes of a contribution. good shooter, but no place on the team especially now that we drafted hill (LET GO)
finley: pretty much a spot up shooter at this point in his career, worth keeping around but we need to find his replacement soon (JR Smith anyone?)(KEEP)
demarr johnson: will probably never get a chance although I think he has the potential to be a good role player, but 28 is kind of old to be a "potential" guy. He has been a good role player on other teams (Atlanta and Denver), averaging around 8 ppg in the span of about three years with those teams. great size and length for a sg/sf but I don't think he will ever contribute too much. (KEEP)
bruce bowen: getting old, but still valuable as a spot-up shooter and lockdown defender. He is losing speed but his desire keeps his defense on point. (KEEP)
ime udoka: I had no idea that he was as old as he is (31), but bruce bowen didn't even make a contribution to the spurs until about that age. He is a strong defender who can spot up for three (the young bowen nickname is appropriate). A very limited offensive player, but potential to be a great defensive player under bowen's tutelage. (KEEP)
Kurt Thomas: Another old player but was solid in the playoffs for the most part. Solid role player who can hit the mid-range jumper and defend. Far better defender than oberto. (KEEP)
Ian Mahinmi: Young foreign draftee who has actually played for us. Very athletic and has potential. Young potential players are something we should keep around (KEEP)
Robert Horry: Just decided today that he wants to play another season. I am torn on this one because he has contributed quite a bit to us (Game 5 of the 2005 finals was historic. His performance went way beyond that last shot. He continually brought us back throughout the 4th quarter and OT). However, he may not have anything left in the tank. This postseason he was a liability on the court, and some of this may have been due to his injury. It would be nice to have him in somewhat of a groove by the time the playoffs come around so I will say (KEEP) barring injury
Matt Bonner: I could write a book on how much I hate his game, but I will keep it short. He is 6-10 "shooting" PF that is one of the worst players in the NBA. How he is in the NBA simply boggles my mind. He is a decent shooter, but misses shots in every form, even dunks. I have seen him single handedly lose us two games this past season and I did not even watch all of our games. He is unathletic, a defensive liability, and his offense does not make up for his lack of a basketball IQ or defense. (GET RID OF BONNER NOW!!!!)
Fabricio Oberto: Another guy I could write a book about. Not a positive one. Every time I watch the rockets and luis scola I want to cry because we traded away a player that is better and younger than Oberto. I think he and bonner have a bet in which the guy who gets scored on the most wins the bet. He is an atrocious defender. Watching West, Chandler, Odom and Gasol continually dominate him was hard for me. Especially considering that Kurt Thomas was on the bench. Oberto is terrible on both ends of the floor, and Duncan needs help at center because Oberto is completely inept of taking any pressure off him in the middle. (GET RID OF OBERTO NOW!!!!)
Brent Barry: If we sign any kind of SG help we should probably release barry. He is a great shooter but is very old and not much of a defender anymore. (KEEP unless SG is signed( O JR SMITH??))
Darius Washington: Another young potential player but his chances on the team are greatly reduced because we drafted hill. I would rather have him as a 3rd pg than vaughn (KEEP)
As for the rookies, I cannot judge but only hope that they will contribute. I am sure Hill will be a decent player, but if Vaughn beats him out for the backup pg job I will be very worried about whether Hill can be a successful NBA player.
Last edited by rondoistimmyspenis; 06-28-2008 at 12:37 AM.
Darius Washington signed with a european team back in January and is not even in America.Darius Washington: Another young potential player but his chances on the team are greatly reduced because we drafted hill. I would rather have him as a 3rd pg than vaughn (KEEP)
Bonner is not a 'great player' and Finley's 'awesome mid range' sucks. Both must go, Bonner via trade and Finley via FA.
The roster at the moment:
PG: Parker, Hill, vaughn
SG: Ginobili, Barry
SF: Bowen, Udoka
PF: Duncan, Bonner
C: Mahinmi, Oberto
So there is 4 open spot, Kurt Thomas should be one of them, and maybe one of the second round pick will make the roster, and it's possible that Finley and horry will resign.
This is how i think our roster should look for next season:
PG: Parker, Hill, vaughn
SG: Ginobili, Barry, Siskauskas
SF: Bowen, Udoka
PF: Duncan, Garbajosa, Bonner,
C: Mahinmi, Oberto, Horry
The only problem with signing Ramunas Siskauskas and Jorge Garbajosa is that it might take up most if not all our money. Thats why i resulted in signing horry back instead of thomas. horry has stated that he would play for the league minimum. So hopefully, we would still be under the cap... Just a suggestion.
I would switch Garbajosa with Thomas.
I'm really curious to know what it is you've seen to make you want to keep both Finley and Horry into next season? If Finley is nothing more than a spot-up shooter at this point (and you're right), that means he's a liability if his shot isn't falling. Which doesn't happen consistently from game to game. , we can bring in another younger shooter (JR Smith or James Jones) and get better production from that position.
As for Horry, I totally understand the sentiment. I have the same emotional tie with him. Yet that was 3 years ago. Didn't last season truly reveal where Horry is now? He has declined to the point where he is now a defensive liabiltiy because he can't react fast enough to get loose balls or rebounds and he can no longer slide his feet quick enough to stay in front of anyone. He virtually has nothing left in his tank. Furthermore, players tend to be more injury-prone as they age. Can we not find another big that can spread the floor (Najera, perhaps)
We got hurt badly in the Fakers series because we couldn't match their quickness and athleticism. Our big three carried us courageously through fatigue and injury, yet the bench play (outside of Barry) was non-existent.
All that said, why would you expect any type of upsurge in performance from either going into next year? I feel safe in declaring that what we all saw last year only the beginning of the decline for both Finley and Barry. Therefore, I fail to see the point in bringing back either.
I hope you meant to type Ho instead.
The year before last, I really liked Garbajosa-- thought he was an intelligent, hard-working player-- but that injury he suffered was horrific. It was on youtube for a while but last I looked had been removed... I wonder if he'll be the same player again. Also, there are a few reports of Euro teams making him offers. He wants to play in the Olympics for Spain so we'll see how he looks at that point. I wouldn't be opposed if he looks like he's back in '06 form, and other options are gone by then.
Ryan Gomes is a similar but younger player in that mold-- combo Forward. He might be a little more expensive, but that's the route I would prefer.
Also agree with Mr Bottomtooth on K Thomas.
great formula aint it. but it happened one time. look at how many teams are always in the lottery and get the #1 or in the top 3 and look at what there team is still at bottom of the league. its all about when you get the chance to pick the #1 pick in the draft. do your homework and make the right decision for example: DAVID ROBINSON and TIM DUNCAN. 10 YEARS APART BABY.
List of #1 overall picks since Tim Duncan was drafted:
2007 Portland Greg Oden Ohio State
2006 Toronto Andrea Bargnani Italy
2005 Milwaukee Andrew Bogut Utah
2004 Orlando Dwight Howard SW Atlanta Christian Academy
2003 Cleveland LeBron James St Vincent-St Marys
2002 Houston Yao Ming China
2001 Washington Kwame Brown Glynn Academy
2000 New Jersey Kenyon Martin Cincinnati
1999 Chicago Elton Brand Duke
1998 Clippers Micheal Olowokandi Pacific
Just looking at that list can tell you that just because you have the number one pick doesn't mean you can't it up. I'd say by looking at the list that it's a 50/50 shot. Don't hate the Spurs because their best player got hurt in 96 and they won the lottery.
The Spurs got off on the right foot for refueling, by selecting George Hill.
I guess you didn't hear about Garbajosa?
Hey TGH, welcome to spurstalk. You go to his college, live near his hometown, or what? Just wondering. Trust me, I want him to make JV as expendable in 08-09 as Damon+Horry+Finley were in 07-08.
With free agency fast approaching, we need to address our need for an athletic wing...we need Corey Maggette...he's going to opt out of his contract so he knows that the only type of contract he can get without a S&T would be a full MLE deal....he is exactly what we need..
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