Get Refuel: How To Rebuild For 2008-09

[Marcus Bryant]

I'd be all for trying to bring in Matt Barnes or Pietrus.

Use the MLE and LLE to land some combo of Barnes, Herrmann, and Pargo.

[cherylsteele]

how about:

Devin Brown
Ron Artest

Do you all think the Bobcats would let Okafor walk? He is unrestricted.

[nil.ball]

Mike Harris+2nd Rounder+Cash for the right to talk to Tiago Splitter!

[E20]

Any prospects for Summer League? I'm assuming Ian will be playing, if possible I hope the NBA allows online streaming of the games, I'd like to see how he's developed while with the Toros.

[T Park]

Use the MLE and LLE to land some combo of Barnes, Herrmann, and Pargo.

Bring that, with Mahinmi, Splitter, and a couple draft picks, and I would consider that a good offseason.

[Kori Ellis]

No, I just saw what we all saw -- an old, slow, less-skilled team getting owned by a young, fast, very-skilled squad. Manu's a big fish in this little pond, but put him on the Lakers and he plays 5 min. a night.

I don't know if you need a break from the forum or what. But your idiocy in the last week is tiring.

Yesterday you tried to convince people that Fisher's 6 and 1 was better than Parker's 19 and 6.

Today, you are trying to say that Manu wouldn't play 5 minutes on the Lakers?

You aren't even a Spurs fan. You are just ing delusional.

[timvp]

*threads merged*

I haven't even looked at the free agent list yet. Sucks to have to break it out in May.

[E20]

Use the MLE and LLE to land some combo of Barnes, Herrmann, and Pargo.

How old is Pargo, I remember he was on the 2003 Laker squad that the Spurs dispatched.

Atlanta is a hot spot for 6'8 SF's. I know some are FA's this year and I wonder if the Spurs can pry one out.

[T Park]

*threads merged*

I haven't even looked at the free agent list yet. Sucks to have to break it out in May.

Eh, were a couple days from June.

, before the playoffs started, we would've been happy to make the WCFs

[Marcus Bryant]

If Azubuike opts out, maybe take a shot at him with a strong MLE offer. GS has Monta Ellis as a free agent this summer to take care of and they have a fair amount of $ tied up in their perimeter players.

[K-State Spur]

At our draft slot (unless we move up) - there are a few guys who may have lower ceilings than some of the other names, but could be immediate contributors (or at least by the playoffs next year).

At least one of Courtney Lee, Brandon Rush, or Chris Douglas-Roberts would figure to be available at our slot.

Lee is probably the most polished offensive player, Rush is a standout defender when he wants to be (but Pop could likely get that out of him more often), and CDR is very intriguing as a legit 6'6 slasher who has the length to be an effective defender if properly coached.

[Marcus Bryant]

How old is Pargo, I remember he was on the 2003 Laker squad that the Spurs dispatched.

Atlanta is a hot spot for 6'8 SF's. I know some are FA's this year and I wonder if the Spurs can pry one out.

Childress is a RFA, but I doubt Atlanta lets him go, especially for a MLE offer.

[johngateswhiteley]

I wouldn't rebuild. There are a lot of Sky Is Falling posts and Spurs fans worried that the run is over. However, I truly believe that the Spurs were one healthy Manu Ginobili away from championship number five. You need health to win championships. Going into this season, I thought the Spurs would have another great shot if the Big Three remained healthy throughout the playoffs. Didn't happen. Didn't win. Not a huge shock.

I know this isn't going to be a sexy opinion and I'm sure there will be those who will be hugely against my stance but this team has most of the pieces. Only thing this team needs, besides healthy, is one more scorer. And I'm not even talking a prolific scorer. I'm talking eight to ten points per game. Basically, replace the scoring Finley provided in 2007. Add in some youth at the end of the bench and I love the Spurs' chances.

Some Spurs fans want a complete overhaul ... and that just doesn't make sense to me. The window is only open for two to four years. That's not really enough time to rebuild a totally new supporting cast. What you do is you get a couple young pieces and you work those players into the rotation. The transition to the new supporting cast should be seamless ... not a house cleaning project that turns next season into a rebuilding one.

To do list:

1) Find a young, athletic bigman who can play in the rotation. Whether than be Ian Mahinmi, Tiago Splitter or someone else.

2) Find a young, scoring point guard. I want someone in the Rodney Stuckey combo guard mold who just wants to score. The NBA is becoming a slashers league and the easiest position to find bench scoring is at point guard.

3) Find a swingman who can score. Someone who can average ten points per game. Preferably a shooter.

That's it. Bring everyone else back, hope the Big Three is healthy next year and the Spurs will have a great chance.

Finding the three stars to build around is the hard part. That has been accomplished. Subtle changes to the role players to adjust to more athleticism oriented Western Conference is all that's needed.

sensible post...unlike so many others. the Spurs weren't that far away from making this a long series or even winning it. and its quite clear why, they ran out of gas b/c TD, Manu and Parker were tired and need a bit of help. i'm not completely sold there needs to be this crazy youth movement with the bench...sometimes you make shots and sometimes you don't. adding quality youth is never a bad idea but there isn't a magic button...its not easy.

furthermore, all this bashing of pop and r.c....seriously? they have done a phenomenal job with the Spurs...nobody bats 1.000. consider the spurs fortunate to even have 4 les in 9 years. all this crap about the spurs could/should have won more les...fisher's shot, TD's injury, etc. what about Horry's shot that didn't drop (2003) and Horry's insane play in the 2005 finals against detroit?

...how about some ing perspective you ungrateful s. off.

p.s. there is no chance TD retires without winning at least 1 more ring, imo.

[Marcus Bryant]

At our draft slot (unless we move up) - there are a few guys who may have lower ceilings than some of the other names, but could be immediate contributors (or at least by the playoffs next year).

At least one of Courtney Lee, Brandon Rush, or Chris Douglas-Roberts would figure to be available at our slot.

Lee is probably the most polished offensive player, Rush is a standout defender when he wants to be (but Pop could likely get that out of him more often), and CDR is very intriguing as a legit 6'6 slasher who has the length to be an effective defender if properly coached.

There's enough talent in the draft these days that the Spurs could find themselves a contributor with pick #26.

[SequSpur]

Only blind homer spurs fans can't see that Ginobili actually showed up to 20 games this year. I would start with him. Bowen is old. Dude is 37+..COME ON!!! I don't need to see him play another game...

The Spurs lost because LA is better and younger. Ginobili couldn't have done . they shut his ass down.

The Spurs need to change. Alot.

Wake up.

[T Park]

I didn't watch enough college ball to know if Courtney Lee, Brandon Rush, or CDR is the best. Or if they help

The Spurs are so bad at drafting domestically I don't know what to think.

[baseline bum]

Manu having to carry the team in February was part of the reason why they're fishing right now.

Took the words right out of my mouth. I was just getting ready to type that we prob lost the le when Tony went down early in the year.

[Streakyshooter08]

To me, the most important thing is a 4th scoring option. With Manu playing this summer they will have to rest him even more in the regular season. It sould be somebody who is able to get to the rim and can create his own shot. The main problem I see is that they have to do it via trade/draft. They have no money and there are no really interesting unrestricted free agents.

My choice would be J.R. Smith. He can get to the rim and shoot the three. The problem is that the Spurs can't offer any money to him.

Here are some names I would like (I leave out the obvious ones like Brand, Arenas, Iverson if they opt out, which I doubt):

Childress (restricted)- very unlikely
Azubuike- (restricted)- haven't figured out a way to get him maybe MLE would be enough)
Pietrus (unresticted)- only if you run out of options
Corey Maggette- pipe dream
Artest- pipe dream but he said he would take less to play for a championship
Ricky Davis- might be a cancer but at least can score
Ramunas Siskauskas- was linked with the Spurs in rumors

I would also try to bring back Thomas for the minumum.
Fin/Horry/ Damon should be gone.

The you have:

Oberto/Thomas
Duncan/ Bonner/ Mahinmi
Bowen/ Udoka
a scoring guard/ Manu/ Barry
Parker/ Vaughn

I am not too high on Mahinmi. I really doubt he comes in and produces right away. Getting Splitter would be really good. I don't know what is going on with Spanoulis maybe he could come over as well, who knows. I don't expect any help via draft unless the Spurs move up.

[Marcus Bryant]

Vagisil Spanilllououous is not Spurs property.

[Kori Ellis]

A capology question - For the players that are ETO (not regular player options), when do they have to say whether they are opting out?

[T Park]

Took the words right out of my mouth. I was just getting ready to type that we prob lost the le when Tony went down early in the year.

Parker goes down, Spurs lose close games to Memphis and Seattle, two games that would've given them home court against New Orleans and LA...


Domino effect like a mutha a...

[Don Quixote]

I don't know if you need a break from the forum or what. But your idiocy in the last week is tiring.

Yesterday you tried to convince people that Fisher's 6 and 1 was better than Parker's 19 and 6.

Today, you are trying to say that Manu wouldn't play 5 minutes on the Lakers?

Yeah, I probably do need a break. I'm seasonal anyway. I'll be back in February with my sanity intact.

As far a Fisher over Parker goes, Fisher is steadier, less turnover-prone, and a much better shooter. His numbers are low because he doesn't touch the ball much in L.A.'s system. But put him in Parker's role and I bet you he gets us 15 and 7 a night.

And I stand by what I said about Manu. He's a great man, and used to be a great player. Maybe he will be again. But right now, he's not even as good as the Lakers' 10th man, whoever he is. Walton?

[SequSpur]

Bonner, Vaughn and Mahinmi?

lottery bound.

[T Park]

Yeah, I probably do need a break. I'm seasonal anyway. I'll be back in February with my sanity intact.

As far a Fisher over Parker goes, Fisher is steadier, less turnover-prone, and a much better shooter. His numbers are low because he doesn't touch the ball much in L.A.'s system. But put him in Parker's role and I bet you he gets us 15 and 7 a night.

And I stand by what I said about Manu. He's a great man, and used to be a great player. Maybe he will be again. But right now, he's not even as good as the Lakers' 10th man, whoever he is. Walton?

God, shoot yourself or drink draino, you'r a complete tool.

[Kori Ellis]

Yeah, I probably do need a break. I'm seasonal anyway. I'll be back in February with my sanity intact.

Cool. Good luck.