Not to say that your first line is irrelevant because Manu will be expiring in 2 years from now so the Spurs donīt need to care for what he will became in 3 to 4 years.
I think maybe itīs time to start the Big 3 for a whole season and start giving Tony some of Manuīs jobs, change a little the rotations so that Tony plays a lot more with the scrubs and Manu can play a lil more with TD to avoid having to be 5 on 1 for many minutes. Tony can handle that, and he is also younger and will not play in the Olympics so he will also be in much more better physical form.
Maybe we can pull off a trade where we trade a bunch of expiring contracts for a pretty good european pf/c or sg/sf, hahaha. That way we wont have to toy with this notion of trading manu. You never know, just a yr ago the lakers were poised to lose their best player. A crybaby fit and a "broken pinky"(probably to coax the lakers execs to make a deal or else) later and here comes pau gasol for all but a happy meal and sum change
Manu still has two more years on his contract and I think he has at least enough in him to play at a good level and I do think we need to at least get someone to back him up more. Why not wait until he comes off the books when his contract is up in two years to be able to go out and get a big FA.
You've got to ride Manu till the wheels fall off. You'll never get anything close to equal value, and the Spurs have no shot at another le if you're going to try and make Parker our 4th quarter closer.
For the next 3 years??
I'm sorry, but Tim's already past his prime. Did you not watch the playoffs this year?
Tim is declining but he still had double-doubles every night w/ a triple-double in the last game. Ginobili has had some harder miles than TD has, though.
I think Duncan is still in his prime. He's still a force the defense has to address. He still anchors our defense. His numbers might be down slightly, but his basketball IQ is as sharp as ever and he is still the foundation of this team. He's got more les in him, don't be so quick to write him off.
So past his prime he's still pretty ing awesome.
I think Duncan showed clearly he is great but past his prime in a very important matter which is stamina, TD constantly bricked a lot of shots due to him being tired midway the third quarter of almost every game.
He actually ended almost all games saying how tired he was, this is why i think the Spurs really, REALLY screwed up with the Scola trade, Scola might not be all-star not borderline all-start but he is a capable Scorer and is a player we could have used to maintain the scheme with Duncan out, back to the basket scorer with good midrange game. Scola was to me the perfect fit with the Spurs because his mins would have been increased during the season and giving more and more time to rest to TD, eventually he might be able to give us 20 solid mins off the bench and help TD more and more as he continues growing and TD continues loosing stamina.
Spurs have passed on a very capable backup PF they could afford for 3 millions a year to sign a player they will never use.
Holt was exposed as a really selfish owner in not trying his best as Less Alexander did.
They chose to spend Scola's money on Bonner. I don't see that as selfish or cheap. They just made a different decision. They thought they'd be signing Splitter this summer, so decided they didn't need Scola here. You can argue it was the wrong decision, but I don't see how it was selfish.
I don't understand why they needed to sign Bonner. He can't even get any playing time he is so bad. That was a big screw up signing him.
OK, if you insist we will take the Manu for Ariza deal someone proposed in this thread.
We'll even throw in Luke Walton as a sign of good faith!
I don't think being tired means you're past your prime. It just mean he played more than he should have and now he's tired. The thing with this past season is that we couldn't get the 2 or 3 weeks off we normally get between regular season and playoffs, because the seedings in the west were still up in the air.
So next year we need to stop with the whole coasting the regular season thing, and get ourselves in the playoffs early so we have time to rest.
OMG!!
Duncan was played a lot of minutes, more minutes than what he's used to play because there were at time where the spurs couldn't buy a shot and they were murdered on the boards and on pick and rolls. So taking TD out of the game was = to lose the game. Pop had no choice.
You can see Duncan's priority was getting boards against the lakers and then score if it was possible as their D on him was very weak.
I just can't understand why the play on a series can determine the outcome of a entire team in your mind and that of others.. man I keep reading stupid .
The Spurs had 3 very bad breaks, first the Suns, then the Hornets - at the end of the road they didn't have anything left. The main problem with getting yourself in such a big hole is the fact your role players can't deliver. The only role player who deliver something was Barry at the end of the last series. The rest couldn't buy a shot or play good D. You can't win like that. You can't have that. And the consequences are among others that your core players get really tired and injured.
Not past his prime, but in the past averaging 39 ppg was something very common for TD, in this PO he went back to that kind of mpg and shown he cannot do that anymore, he is still in his prime in the matters of game (showed by how he constantly abused gasol at the beginning of games) but not in the matter of stamina, if you donīt see this you just cant open your eyes.
He was incredible in the Suns series. He got sick as the Hornets series started, played the first 2 games with a 103 degree fever. I don't think he ever had time to completely recover. The Hornets series went 7, they turned around into the Lakers series without any time to rest. Then the schedule was every other day.
If Duncan had time to recover I don't think we would have seen "stamina" issues.
A different and less intelligent decision.
Who thinks Spurs will look to resign Manu in 2010?
And how much of a pay-cut would he be forced to deal with to stay? Would he be worth the money and is his decline just overrated?
Unfortunately, I wish Manu could stay a Spur for life, just like David, and hopefully Tim and Tony. But it just doesn't look like it's going to make fiscal sense, unless he quits playing after this contract. And Manu is far too much of a compe or for that.
I love Manu and hope he stays a Spur but I think the Spurs might just let him go once his contract is up and I know Manu has said that he wants to play for a few more years.
I'd sooner wish to have the team sold and moved to Vegas! No thanks.
so trading manu would be worse then sa losing the spurs
Manu has still a championship in him
Or two!
I say trade him... send Manu to Houston and see Scola and him win a championship....so trading manu would be worse then sa losing the spurs
Ummm, 39 ppg isn't very common for anyone outside of a young Wilt Chamberlain.Not past his prime, but in the past averaging 39 ppg was something very common for TD
Kobe and MJ never averaged more than 36 and 37 respectively at their best. Perhaps ppg was a typo for mpg?
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