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Future > Past
Ginobili has certainly done a lot for the Spurs. Our team wont have 2 additional rings (2005 and 2007) without Ginobili and that is a FACT we all must admit.
I really like Manu, and he's one of my best players in the NBA. And I'm sorry to say so, but he should be traded.
Mavs will trade Josh Howard for Manu...lets get it done
Count me in as one who agrees the Spurs shouldn't (and will not) be exploring ways to trade Ginobili. They should, however, be looking at ways to accomodate his workload and replace his contributions.
I'm still troubled that the wing position has been and continues to be the "achilles heel" for this team. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Despite winning two les since his departure in '03, the FO has not been able to find an adequate replacement for SJAX. Barry and Finley have been serviceable players and consummate pros. However it's been 5 years and this position screams for a younger, more talented player and frankly it's a disappointment that such a player is still missing from this roster.
Obviously, developing such a player takes time. At the very least, the FO should have had a pipeline of at least 2-3 possible, up-and-coming wing players in either D-league or overseas. For whatever reason, it hasn't happened.
50 Cent makes valid points about what Manu will be like in a few years, but that's the point - he's not there yet. He'll play this contract out, comes off the books in 2010, and that's when we get a new 3rd piece in free-agency. That is clearly the plan. If Manu then re-signs for a decent price, all the better.
Like timvp, I think he has to play limited minutes this year - I'd say 24 minutes. Use him when you need him, and in blowouts let him rest.
Don't trade him now though. As T Park said, he is the heart and soul of the team, and the Big Four deserve another shot together. And as others said, you won't get equal value for him now anyway.
Manu is still in the top 5 clutch players in the NBA, so save him for the clutch and watch him tear people to pieces.
Pity we don't have more depth at the swing to absorb his minutes! Finley... man, what are they thinking?Time for Ime and Mason to step up.
Cant see manu playing for anyone else. That said it would be very unlikely to get equal value back in a trade due to his age and low salary.
Keep in mind this guy is the second best sg in the NBA. He puts up numbers per 48mins equalled only by Kobe.
I agree with you that they need to watch his minutes, but obviously that could cost them precious games and perhaps HCA in one or more series.
Moreso than almost any other team, SA is a team that thrives on the HCA.....without it I think you are asking a lot to expect to get through the Western Conference from say a 7 or 8 seed position.
It is sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. One thing I would do now if I was SA is completely shut him down until the ankle is 100% or as close to 100% as it is going to get....even if that means he doesn't play until mid-November, December or even January.
When he does come back, it is critical for you guys that he be able to do the things that have made him famous. With as much doom and gloom as I am seeing on this board about your team, I still rate them absolutely as the Lakers biggest obstacle towards getting back to the Finals. That of course assumes your Big 3 are relatively healthy going into the playoffs.
Question: Would you trade Manu for SJax straight up right now?
I would in a heartbeat.
I totally disagree. In the past 5 years the Spurs have played 4 series without HCA and won 3 of them. This core has won les from the 1,2, and 3 seed, so homecourt isn't a huge deal for them.
Without Manu for an extended stretch, it might be hard to ensure a top-3 seed.
I am talking about if they try and rest him and it costs them critical regular season games and they fall down to 6th, 7th or 8th seed. I think it is asking a lot for any team to win from the 6-8 seeds in the West, but it would probably be better have one of those seeds and have your Big 3 healthy than to push hard for a higher seed and not have them healthy for the playoffs.
Stephen Jackson Feels Underappreciated
Posted Aug 23rd 2008 9:45AM by Tom Ziller (author feed)
Filed under: Warriors
There's never a dull moment in the life cycle of an NBA franchise (unless you're the Bucks). Golden State has remade its roster this summer, letting Baron Davis spread his wings elsewhere while poaching Southlanders Corey Maggette and Ronny Turiaf. Andris Biedrins and Monta Ellis received weighty extensions. Things seem settled for now.
But here's Stephen Jackson, in the middle of August, posting in Port Arthur talking about needing a contract extension to remain happy with the direction of the time. Take it away, Marcus Thompson III of the Contra Costa Times:
"It's something I always think about," Jackson said from his basketball camp. "It's definitely something that has to be addressed because of what I do for this team and what I've done since I've been here, bringing this team from one of the bottom teams in the league to a playoff team, to a team that won 49 games. It's not what I want, it's what I deserve. "... I won't be comfortable going into this season knowing I have to play this whole season being the fifth highest-paid and not get an extension. I would not be happy."Jackson's a fine player on the right team, and his contract is a bit underpriced. But it's not like GSW's scrubs are making more than him. Ellis and Biedrins are stars in the making, 22-year-olds with immediate production value and potential for excellence. Maggs is one of the best scorers in the league. Al Harrington is ... well okay, Al Harrington is overpaid. But that's not the fault of Chris Mullin, who had to take Harrington to get rid of Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy. (It's the fault of Chris Mullin, who signed Funleavy and Murph to those insane contracts in the first place.)
Jack hasn't been paying much attention to the Warriors of late if he thinks he -- a 30-year-old bottle rocket who has been great on winning teams and disastrous on losing, stagnant teams -- is getting an extension. Mullin snubbed Baron, Monta and Andris last summer! If there's no gun to his head (as there definitely was with Monta and Biedrins this summer), Mullin's not flinching. So if Jackson isn't getting an extension, and he acts as "uncomfortable" as he says he will be, there's only one other solution: trade him. Maybe it will work out for the best (the Ron Artest booby prize?) but I can't see how it results in making Jack more money next year.
chill on the cussing. You don't have to call me an idiot just because I'm not in love with Manu like you are. And you are the homer. Ginobili has definitly helped Tim Duncan and the Spurs win championships. He could be probably the best SG ever to play for the Spurs, but some might disagree because of Gervin. It is a matter of opinion. I love Manu, but come on he is not above the Spurs organization. They gave him an oppurtunity by drafting him, by signing him, by playing. He is not the one who chose to play for them. Spurs chose him and helped him just as much as he helped them. But I shouldn't argue with a person who obviously puts a player above a team. I am Spurs fan, not just a Ginobili fan. If trading him meant we would be better than go for it. However I do not want to trade him at all, and hope he plays like he is capable of playing. Only player I would never trade is Tim Duncan. He is the Spurs right now
ArgSpursfan is a moron ignore him.
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Please!
Truth.
Bump.
I told you guys he was going to be a china doll the rest of his career.
The rest of you were too blind to see the truth.
nothing I can think of lowlier than a prick who can't wait to say "I told you so"
Jesus ing christ! wait 'till the news is official at least
50 Cent is Manu's creator, apparently.
What kind of takes credit for predicting someone's injury?
good timing, asshole
manu does not need to be traded even if he is really hurt or not hes not going to be hurt forever....with plenty of rest he will be ready for the the play-offs....its not the end of the world
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