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Yeah, they could have been paying Odom $9 million to shoot 35%.
"OMG, GREAT trade for the Clips" - Killa after every piece of news that comes out. It was a great trade for the Clips. It was also a great trade for NO. They are not mutually exclusive.
Yeah, they could have been paying Odom $9 million to shoot 35%.
Also, Walton's dead money is on the books ANOTHER year after this one. Kaman is gone with no ramifications and NO needed him to make money match and to at least meet min requirements. With Kaman, NO is still under the luxury tax and has one of the lowest payrolls on the league. LA with Walton, ya, not so much.
The deal will look better for NOLA after the 2012 draft. They will have two lottery picks (even though the Minny is not as appealing as it was before), cap space and a young team ready to develop.
If they had got the HOU deal they would be better but they would be stuck in mediocrity for years. No good picks and still not a playoff team. They would be just like Houston is now.
They did the right thing, even though Laker fans don't accept it.
I already conceded that my bias towards Kaman and Aminu bugs me, I get the cap space is valuable ...more for trades than free agents, because hey won't get much.Why would you force a team to flip Kaman for a talent when you can hand pick the guy you want with cap space. Killa is severely underestimating the value of cap space going forward with the new CBA.
He keeps trying to find ways to back up what he said about the trade when he's dead wrong
I wa just focusing on Kaman ... I love how you like to make EVERYTHING about YOU. Even when i say I maybe wrong, you cant help but follow me
I said Let's not go here Im tabling our debate for now. But if it helps your bruised ego then ...for now, you won DPG. You were right against me, national media David thorpe all the ESPN guys ...DPG is the man!!
9 million is less than $14 ... and I agree Odom sucking makes the Lakers deal look less appealing even though Scola and Martin have played well. But again Im putting the Lakers deal to rest, not arguing that anyway. Again, just saying thought they could do better.
Walton was just mentioned because I hate "dead money" ...Mavs have expiring deals for example, but those guys can play. Kaman is being paid to stay home. I get that NOLA is tanking ... but you can tank with multiple young scrubs just as easily as one expensive scrub.
My point of this thread was not to talk about Lakers or even to bait DPG. My point was why not hold a bit longer and force the CLips to get more young pieces? why not make the Clips find more pieces to make the deal work?
Lakers deal is water under the bridge. If I feel validated about this trade later on, it won't be about the Lakers trade being better, it will be more about the Hornets did not get enough for CP3 ... that is what DPG doesnt get. But for now we cant judge it. Just making points.
So the assumption is Gordon is sticking with Hornets (any offer will be matched?)
I agree if they dont want to compete this year, they went in th right direction. Again I just think they did not get enough ...Lakers could NOT get enough to staisfy the CLippers anyway so there is no point in bringing them up. Look at the threads back in Decemember, I was a Lakers fan AGAINST the Paul deal. Paul has never been my favorite PG and I felt we gave up too much. Now that Odom is sucking in Dallas the trade would of been good for us. But you guys that keep bring up "laker fan" ...need to exclude me, because I did not want the trade in the first place.
I doubt it, especially if rumors are true Pacers will throw big money at him. (he is from the area or at least he played college there)
Maybe they just wanted to tank completely and start over while getting a potential All-Star in Gordon in the process. I think you expected them get a Nuggets type of deal which wasn't happening because CP3 wasn't going anywhere except LA or NY. I'm not sure why you're having a hard time with this. He turned down Boston as well. Do you have any suggestions for what they could have done?
If the Hornets want to keep Gordon they will. They offered him 4 years 50 million, he wanted 4 years 55 million. Pacers or Boston may offer him more, but if he doesn't play then he might not get a good offer.
Cap is seriously overrated especially when you operate the NOH. No perennial All Star player would sign there. All the top FA are locked up to sign with the better and bigger market. Stern's plan backfired plain and simple. No one would take Kaman in exchange for draft picks and younger prospects.
The Lakers deal was better. Lamar Odom is a cheaper expiring and he's much more easier to move than Kaman and at this point of his career, I think Odom would accept a buyout, you can;t say the same for Kaman. That guy is determined to get his full payment this year. Good luck finding a trade partner NOH.
Scola and Martin are also better pieces than Eric Gordon and Aminu. Aminu will probably get waived next year and Gordon while being a better talent is not a long term franchise player. At least Scola and Martin can net you some picks this offseason. Scola especially is an active big body. You will never find a shortage of suitors for that guy. And Martin at least is healthy unlike Gordon who looks like he mentally checked out this year.
You make great points ...I agree with most of what you say ...but again the Lakers deal is irrelevant, to me. I doubt we will be able to prove definitively the Hornets could of done better ...I just BELIEVE they could have. I don't have a hard time getting that they may have wanted to tank, but I just prefer the Utah and Denver deals better than what Hornets got. Denver wanted to remain contenders so that is probably apples to oranges. But if Paul is better than Dwill or close I still believe their deal was better. Utah got a younger prospect who was a big, a lottery pick and Devin Harris who has regressed a whole bunch but at least he is playing.
But whatever. But for whomever said 99.9 are cool with the deal, I have 2 Hornets fans in my fantasy football league and they both think you guys didnt get enough. They didnt love the Lakers deal either ... neither plan to attend any Hornets games in NOLA they are undecided if they will attend a game here in DFW at the AAC ...
The only thing they are excited about with the Hornets they both love Landry's toughness ...
at saying the Lakers deal was better. Even the idiots who said the Laker deal was good (it never was) all said the Clips deal was better for NO.
The Lakers Hornets deal would have been better for the Hornets,
No.
clippers lost both gordon and the pick. paul is a god player but he ain't worthy of such a big gamble and when the lil nig ends up walking come the end of the season, the clippers are ed
He can't walk for at least one more season after this one, LM.
That was CR, not me. If they wanted to win now it was better but that was not the objective so Clips deal was better for what they wanted to do ...tank. Not arguing that just saying they shoulda been able to do better.
Like I said DPG, I concede to ya on this one for now. Not much can be discussed until we see what happens with Gordon, picks or how they use cap space.
ROFL @ fake Heat fans that are actually Laker fans
Was talking to CR, sorry bout that.
No apologies needed between us, DPG. As long as there is mutual respect I got ya back ... no matter what we disagree on.
Laka fan apologize to the spur fans. Please.
Sometimes I just don't get Killa. Deads too.
At the end of the day NOH got screwed here. This was a plan that backfired for Stern. Kaman will not net them younger talents and picks. He will most likely stay in NOH and they have no choice but to eat that salary. Odom is at least cheaper.
Gordon is not even guaranteed to resign with NOH.
New Orleans Hornets shooting guard Eric Gordon said Friday morning it was a mutual decision between him and the franchise to put off trying to get an extension agreement finalized before Wednesday’s deadline. Gordon will become a restricted free agent on July 1, and the Hornets General Manager Dell Demps said they will make a push to re-sign him.
.It wasn’t that I turned down anything, it works both ways,’’ Gordon said. ``Yes, I’ll be restricted, but I am just a basketball player right now and the future is unclear.
Gordon also wants that max deal. NOH at this time doesn't want to commit to a max contract and I don't blame them. Gordon is injury prone. He already missed 56 games the last 3 years. There is a lot of teams out there with a sound foundation that will make a run for Gordon though, Boston, Dallas and New Jersey for example. All are much more lucrative than staying in NOH.
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