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    Must have missed this comment.

    Even if the 480x2 isn't stronger than the 1080... does it need to be at $199? For $400 you're getting a setup that might go h2h with the 1080 and will almost certainly be stronger than the 1070 which is going to start at $450.

    That's a huge win for AMD. I guess they could have presented it better, but does it matter if the specs that are being shown prove true? They have a monster on their hands right now.

    If the 480x2 is within even 10% of the $600 1080, it's going to be by far the best deal on the market. Near elite echelon GPU performance for $400. That's insane.
    They showed benches for one lousy game. Also, have you been paying any attention to DX12? Ashes is literally the only DX12 game that can make use of a second gpu. Here, every other big DX12 game out there right now:



    So it makes sense why they only gave a single dual card bench, because there is only one game that can do it in their beloved DX12. You don't see any red flags from them not giving a single benchmark for single card, which probably 99.95% of gamers run? You yourself said you wouldn't do dual card again.

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    Cry Havoc man, why no dual card benches in DX11 games if two of these can compete with a 1080?

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    They cherry picked one game where AMD hardware wrecks Nvidia hardware and used it to try to make it sound like two 480s are as good as a 1080. That's almost certainly just a boldfaced lie or they would have backed it up.

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    What games are actually worth playing these days that need this kind of gtx1080 power?
    You only need GTX 1080 power at 1440p or 4k. Otherwise a GTX 1070 is a much better buy (and a GTX 1070 is plenty for 1440p also).

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    RandomGuy, I would steer clear completely of multiple graphics card configurations. Even in the best cases you're usually only getting 70% more performance from two cards versus one, and multi-gpu support has been anemic to say the least for 2016 games. When you use multiple graphics cards you also get frame pacing issues many times, leading to annoying microstutter that doesn't show up in benchmarks that average out framerates. It's very frustrating to play a game that's jumping between 58 fps and 62 fps with vsync enabled on a 60 Hz screen, it feels stuttery. Multi gpu setups really only make sense if you're trying to drive a high resolution that can't be handled by any single card. For instance, if you wanted to play in 4k it would make the most sense to buy two GTX 1080s and a GSync monitor to smooth out those frame pacing problems with multiple cards. But those cards and monitor would cost you at least $2100. Of course that's also assuming game studios get their together and start supporting multiple gpu configs again in 2016, they really haven't so far and we're halfway into the year now.
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    RandomGuy, I would steer clear completely of multiple graphics card configurations. Even in the best cases you're usually only getting 70% more performance from two cards versus one, and multi-gpu support has been anemic to say the least for 2016 games. When you use multiple graphics cards you also get frame pacing issues many times, leading to annoying microstutter that doesn't show up in benchmarks that average out framerates. It's very frustrating to play a game that's jumping between 58 fps and 62 fps with vsync enabled on a 60 Hz screen, it feels stuttery. Multi gpu setups really only make sense if you're trying to drive a high resolution that can't be handled by any single card. For instance, if you wanted to play in 4k it would make the most sense to buy two GTX 1080s and a GSync monitor to smooth out those frame pacing problems with multiple cards. But those cards and monitor would cost you at least $2100. Of course that's also assuming game studios get their together and start supporting multiple gpu configs again in 2016, they really haven't so far and we're halfway into the year now.
    Heh, no worries.

    As long as the card has the capacity for me to plug two monitors in that is all I need.

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    Heh, no worries.

    As long as the card has the capacity for me to plug two monitors in that is all I need.
    No sweat, any modern card will support that. If you want a 1070 though, you gotta pull the trigger when you see them in stock. They will very likely be hard to find the first month just like the 970 was. Even the $700 GTX 1080 Founders Edition is a pain to find in stock almost two weeks after it went on sale. I expect a lot more 1070s to be sold at launch though. The GDDR5X memory is probably the bottleneck in having 1080 supply not able to meet demand (it's a brand new memory being introduced with the 1080) while the 1070 uses very mature GDDR5 memory. But the demand will be way higher for the 1070 than was the demand for the 1080, so I suspect it'll be even harder to find. That's why I would try to get on the auto-notify list with EVGA, newegg, or amazon. I know you have been waiting forever to get this system built.

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    Cry Havoc man, why no dual card benches in DX11 games if two of these can compete with a 1080?
    I don't know, I'm not AMD. Why don't we wait for the benchmarks to come out and see?

    Speaking of:



    I guess we know which card is the best for angry birds.

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    I don't know, I'm not AMD. Why don't we wait for the benchmarks to come out and see?

    Speaking of:



    I guess we know which card is the best for angry birds.
    Huh? You were calling it a huge win for AMD based on one game.

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    Man the overclocking on the 1080 is really disappointing according to these reviews for the MSI Gaming X and Gigabyte G1 cards. It looks like there is no reason whatsoever to pay for the highend pcbs.




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    From what I've been reading, the 1070 won't overclock to near 1080 levels though, so that's less of an option this time around.

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    From what I've been reading, the 1070 won't overclock to near 1080 levels though, so that's less of an option this time around.
    Yeah 1070 is far and away the most cut down 70 series card Nvidia has ever released. It's about 25% weaker than 1080 while 970 was only 13% or so weaker than 980 and 670 was only about 8% weaker than 680. Even 770 and 780 were completely different chips (770 was a rebranded 680 while 780 was an extremely cut down an), and the difference was only 15% there. The card really should have been called 1060 Ti and there should be a 1070 halfway between the current 1070 and the current 1080. Like I keep saying, we're seeing tremendous inflation in GPU prices. That MSI Gaming X 1080 whose review I posted above is $720 on newegg!

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    Polaris 10 8GB at $230 is at least more in line with previous node shrinks, getting a previous highend card for midrange prices (as it sounds like it'll be on par with R9 390). Though it's not a tremendous gain either considering it only looks cheap because AMD rebranded the 290/290x as 390/390x and added $100 to what they were selling for.

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    Heh, no worries.

    As long as the card has the capacity for me to plug two monitors in that is all I need.
    Sorry, I already gave away my GT 720.

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    Huh? You were calling it a huge win for AMD based on one game.
    Look at the scale.

    80 vs. 79... That only a little more than a 1% improvement.

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    RandomGuy, another 1070 benchmark in eight of the toughest to run games: The Division, Witcher 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Ashes of the Singularity, Far Cry Primal, Project Cars, Assassins Creed Unity, Crysis 3. I'm especially impressed that it kept Assassins Creed Unity over 60 fps the entire time, that was a beautiful but horribly optimized game that chewed gpus up like crazy at launch a couple of years ago. This is a pretty unbelievable card for $380-$400.

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    Look at the scale.

    80 vs. 79... That only a little more than a 1% improvement.

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    RandomGuy, DJR210, the 1070 Founders Edition is in stock at EVGA's store. It's not the card I'd buy since it's $450 and I hate reference coolers (they're hot and loud), but here it is and in stock if you want one.

    http://www.evga.com/Products/Product...08G-P4-6170-KR

    The EVGA prices suck for the 1070. The ACX 3.0 is $40 over MSRP at $420 whereas it was only $20 over MSRP (at $620) for the 1080. The Superclocked card is $440.

    http://www.evga.com/Products/Product...08G-P4-6171-KR

    http://www.evga.com/Products/Product...08G-P4-6173-KR
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    Here is their 1070 lineup.

    http://www.evga.com/Products/Product...ipset=GTX+1070

    I'm not seeing the cards on newegg yet though.

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    All three of those EVGA 1070s might be limited by the 4+1 phase VRM though, I know my 970 SC was. It might be worth waiting to see what Gigabyte and MSI have to offer, especially with the EVGA 1070s so expensive. The reference 5+1 phase doesn't seem to be limiting the 1080 by the results you see in the two videos I posted previously where the cards with the nice PCBs were actually losing to the reference card. But I wonder if 4+1 is enough for the 1070.

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    This is the one I bought:
    http://www.amazon.com/wireless-Gamin.../dp/B00BV72X1U

    Working great on Windows 10, tbh...
    Alright man, I ordered the receiver. I hope this works right so I don't have to pull out the RF module from my 360 and then solder on a USB cable for a DIY adapter, I'd like to keep my 360 working (though I don't think I have played it since 2014).

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    Alright man, I ordered the receiver. I hope this works right so I don't have to pull out the RF module from my 360 and then solder on a USB cable for a DIY adapter, I'd like to keep my 360 working (though I don't think I have played it since 2014).
    I ordered the official MS one back when I moved last year for $15. ing got me back into PC gaming tbh.

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    I ordered the official MS one back when I moved last year for $15. ing got me back into PC gaming tbh.
    You had to get it with a controller, right? I got my adapter initially in like 2009 from some contest MS was having when they launched Bing but Microsoft hasn't officially sold it by itself in a long time. Every one I saw labeled as Microsoft at newegg and amazon turned out to be a knockoff.

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    You had to get it with a controller, right? I got my adapter initially in like 2009 from some contest MS was having when they launched Bing but Microsoft hasn't officially sold it by itself in a long time. Every one I saw labeled as Microsoft at newegg and amazon turned out to be a knockoff.
    Negative negro:

    https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Xbo...=xbox+receiver

    I got the one for $15 last August.

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    Dude, the very first review on the page says it was fake .

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