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America sterilized 1000s of women for many decades, up to the 1970s.
I mean, forced sterilization? I know Godwin's Law is a no-no, but that is literally something the Nazis did.
America sterilized 1000s of women for many decades, up to the 1970s.
The headline is a little melodramatic for my taste, but the rest of it is fair.
What the Planned Parenthood hoax really proves: Right-wing extremists have no qualms about destroying peoples’ lives
They say a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth gets its pants on. That’s certainly the case with a new and highly deceptive anti-choice propaganda video that claims to show a Planned Parenthood official caught on a hidden camera while allegedly discussing how the women’s health clinics are involved with the harvesting and selling of aborted fetus organs via a sordid underground black market.
In the video, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood’s senior director of medical services, is seen eating salad and drinking a glass of red wine as she discusses what the selectively edited video would lead us to believe is the process of acquiring intact organs from aborted fetuses and then selling them to buyers. Nucatola describes the most desirable organs, as well as the admittedly disturbing manner by which the fetuses are aborted in a way that doesn’t damage the organs that are to be harvested. She also appears to discuss the prices that buyers pay for a particular fetal organ.
As we’ve seen with similar “gotcha!” videos, this one completely misrepresents what Nucatola was discussing, and numerous sites have almost too-easily debunked just about every claim. (Full debunkery here, here, here and here.) It turns out, Nucatola wasn’t discussing the illegal black market sale of fetal organs, but instead the perfectly legal donation of the organs to biomedical research laboratories that use the organs to help save lives. The price range of the organs described by Nucatola is, in reality, the reimbursed expenses accrued in the delivery of the specimens. (Which makes sense: $30 to $100 is hilariously below the going rate for human organs.) Furthermore, the video was produced by an anti-choice pop-up outfit called the Center for Medical Progress, which not only claimed that this one video required three years of research, but which also has ties to known video fraudster James O’Keefe.
Yet as rapidly as the video was resoundingly debunked as a fraud, it wasn’t fast enough to catch up with the zealous haste of the lies.
As soon as the video hit The Daily Caller and The Drudge Report, it was pretty much game over for the already beleaguered Planned Parenthood. Social media immediately erupted with garment rending and all varieties of unhinged screeching over what too many gullible viewers perceived as the ultimate smoking gun indictment of the organization. Anyone pointing out the obviously deceptive editing and the false claims made by the video were attacked as ghouls, Nazis and baby-killers.
The intensity of the outrage closely matched the degree of the flimflam. Anti-choice activists wanted desperately to believe the video was an accurate representation of what Planned Parenthood is up to behind the scenes, so they overlooked the obvious scare-edits and manipulative soundtrack. Clinically speaking, the video is cleverly produced, even though it’s really easy to make abortion sound creepy. That said, it flagrantly exploits the worst and most ignorant aspects of social media: the utter lack of critical viewing, the impulse to rapidly retweet clickbait without reading, and especially the internet’s torch-and-pitchfork mob justice.
On the Tuesday edition of my podcast, I predicted that in addition to the radical far-right mob, the video would also be accepted at face value by A-list Republicans and especially the congressional GOP. And why not? It’s happened before. Congress buried ACORN based on a provably fake video. Planned Parenthood has been relentlessly de-funded due to previously fraudulent videos. Indeed, members of the most powerful governing body in the world spoke on-the-record from the floor of both the House and Senate and permanently attached their names to more than one egregiously fake smear video. Legislation was passed and livelihoods were ruined because congressional Republicans were repeatedly duped by James O’Keefe and his acolytes.
Sadly, my prediction came true on Wednesday when Republican members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee announced they’d hold hearings on the video.
“This video is abhorrent and rips at the heart. The committee will get to the bottom of this appalling situation,” the press release quotes Republican lawmakers Fred Upton, Marsha Blackburn, Tim Murphy, and Joe Pitts as saying.
Again, taxpayer money will be wasted on an investigation into Planned Parenthood based on a video that was debunked within 24 hours of dropping. Even anti-choice Americans ought to be outraged by this total waste of resources. But they won’t be because now the “respected” members of an elite governing body of 535 powerful Americans have announced that this mendacious video is, in fact, “abhorrent” and “appalling.” So, now, the video is endowed with the legitimacy of a congressional committee.
Meanwhile, several GOP presidential hopefuls have condemned Planned Parenthood for the (misleading) content of the video.
“The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life,” said former Texas Gov. Rick Perry.
“Today’s video of a Planned Parenthood official discussing the systematic harvesting and trafficking of human body parts is shocking and gruesome,” said Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal. [...]
“This latest news is tragic and outrageous,” said businesswoman Carly Fiorina. “This isn’t about ‘choice.’ It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment.”
We seriously have to question whether any of these Republicans have given their bank account information to Nigerian princes with dubious Hotmail email accounts. I hate to be a Debbie Downer, Republicans, but guess what? Professional wrestling is fake and the Easter bunny isn’t real. Sorry.
Arguably the worst aspect of this scam video, beyond the harm it will do to reproductive rights and Planned Parenthood, is the reality that Dr. Nucatela’s life is all but ruined for the foreseeable future. At this moment, anti-choice extremists are likely fanning out around the internet, collecting damaging information about her; finding out her home address and contact information; discovering whether she has children and where they go to school; planning rallies outside her house; or worse. Based on wrongful charges, she now represents Enemy Number One for googly-eyed radicals, fueled by visions of aborted fetuses and the false impression of Planned Parenthood as the Walmart of black market fetus organs.
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/16/what...peoples_lives/
anti-women wingnuts WILL "destroy" Nucatela's life, some less asshole may shoot her. It's happened several times before.
OK, I'm confused.
Question 1: Is this "reimbursement for expenses" price list true or not?
Question 2: Did or did not planned parenthood get "reimbursed for expenses" to "donate" organs for research?
Question 3: Chump claims it was just "fluids" True or False?
No.
Yes, your snarky quotes notwithstanding.Question 2: Did or did not planned parenthood get "reimbursed for expenses" to "donate" organs for research?
Your snarky quote here isn't even accurate. The advertisement was for maternal blood samples, which I stated explicitly and you could actually quote without snark.Question 3: Chump claims it was just "fluids" True or False?
The advertisement is linked in its entirety on page two of this thread. Feel free to read it and tell us what you conclude it was talking about.
Shocker! Republicans were only pretending to be shocked by 'shocking' Planned Parenthood video
House Republicans professed to be shocked, thoroughly shocked by the heavily edited footage released by a sketchy anti-abortion group intended to suggest Planned Parenthood was "selling" fetal organs.
(They're not, but they will donate tissue to medical researchers with a woman's permission and if the researchers reimburse them for the very minor expenses involved—a perfectly standard and commonplace medical practice.)
Now, however, it turns out that the anti-abortion group or their intermediaries had given the tape to at least two House Republicans two weeks ago—and those Republicans didn't find it fit to mention that they have apparently been orchestrating their con uous public outrage with the video's producers.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...28Daily+Kos%29
Repugs LYING again, and you rightwingnuts fall for it EVERY TIME!
What conditions of a viable pregnancy threaten a woman's life at 11 weeks that cannot be medically treated, what is the rate of occurrence of these conditions? Be specific.
"..... They learned that their unborn daughter had 69 chromosomes instead of the normal 46, an abnormality that also resulted in Dandy Walker Syndrome. The fetus also had a diaphragmatic hernia and severely stunted growth, weighing 8oz when she should have weighed just over a pound.These major health issues also meant there were risks for the mother. The fetus was so small that it could have died in the womb without the woman knowing, which could have resulted in an infection. The mother was also at a higher risk for preeclampsia, a blood pressure-related pregnancy complication*that can be fatal. She also noted that her placenta could have ruptured, leaving her to 'bleed out in my bathtub faster than anyone could help me'....."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ng-defect.html
I don't find rate of occurrence to be relevant to my question. One fetal murder is enough to pose my question to wild cobrawhat is the rate of occurrence of these conditions? Be specific.
Dandy Walker Syndrome doesn't threaten the mothers life. What else you got?
Fair enough. Still in order for your question to be valid you need to come up with a situation in which the life of the mother is threatened at 11 weeks by a condition which cannot be treated.
Your example doesn't fit the bill. The hypothetical situations in your article are the baby dying in the womb (not a viable pregnancy) and preeclampsia (doesn't occur at 11 weeks).
You didn't read the whole article I guess, but that's fine....your troll job is blatantly bad tbh.
whatever it was, it was life threatening enough to abort at 23 weeks.....which means an even more developed fetus than at 11
It wasn't life threatening to the mother dumbass.
It's ok for you to say you don't know of any scenario in which your question would be valid if you are unable to google the correct answer.
You're either being disingenuous or very stupid.Cecily Kellogg, 44, a writer who lives near Philadelphia, says that was the situation she faced when she was nearly six months pregnant with twin boys in 2004 and developed severe preeclampsia. One fetus had already died and "my liver had shut down, my kidneys had shut down and they were expecting me to start seizing at any minute," she says. The doctors said they had to quickly dilate her cervix and perform an abortion to save her. "I fought it," she says. "But they told me I would die — that it was either me and my son or just my son."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...walsh/1644839/
I'll take either one for the lol.
lol calling me stupid
I'm asking you about 11 weeks into a pregnancy. That was YOUR hypothetical situation so give us a scenario in which it is possible.Cecily Kellogg, 44, a writer who lives near Philadelphia, says that was the situation she faced when she was nearly six months pregnant with twin boys in 2004 and developed severe preeclampsia. One fetus had already died and "my liver had shut down, my kidneys had shut down and they were expecting me to start seizing at any minute," she says. The doctors said they had to quickly dilate her cervix and perform an abortion to save her. "I fought it," she says. "But they told me I would die — that it was either me and my son or just my son."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...walsh/1644839/
The moral implication of that being 11 weeks or past, since the further along the baby is, the more murderous it seems.
yes, you're stupid, dumb .
Lol.
lol can't answer the question tries to move the goalpost
I guess what I am saying is secular society's morality will suffer a slippery slope.
I think what you're trying to say is that a secular society civil code won't align/will depart from a religious moral code. Makes sense.
If you're a religious person from the denomination whose moral code is being applied, I can see when you could have a sense of a "loss", but if you're a secular person or a religious person from a different denomination than the status-quo moral code, then that's probably good news.
No not a sense of loss. A sense of completely understanding that without a basis of morality, society won't function. Without a moral code, every "nono" (get it? sorry) is up for question.
Not true.
I had a vasectomy 15 years ago or so.
Nonsense. The US is the longest and oldest democracy in the world, and it was founded specifically as a secular government, with implicit separation of church and state, and the freedom of every person to have a moral code or no code at all, just as long as they all abide by the societal code of laws. Heck, implicitly legislating a religious moral code is strictly forbidden by the Cons ution.
On the other hand, it's not hard at all to find ed up societies run by religious moral codes... unless stoning women is your thing, tbh...
Plus, constant questioning and revisiting is a good thing, it means you're keeping up with the times. We invent new things, make new discoveries all the time... why wouldn't we want to adopt that knowledge?
Now, I think it's great that religion works for some people. It's undeniable that, historically speaking, it has been a great tool for societal control and influence. But it's definitely not the only tool, or the only way.
too much information
you talk about mandating women who abort to get their tubes tied... but haven't mentioned a mandate to give the father of an aborted child a vasectomy
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