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And after I do that, this is where you start into your childish "why game" mode.
Am I correct?
Sorry. I'm not playing your game.
Explain what you mean and how you think they could be used to cast fraudulent votes.
And after I do that, this is where you start into your childish "why game" mode.
Am I correct?
Sorry. I'm not playing your game.
No, you are incorrect.
I seriously want to know how you think this massive vote fraud conspiracy worked.
This is about the point where everyone starts whining and bails out, so don't feel alone if you choose to. Plenty of fail to go around with you guys.
You're an ass talker.
And a fool.
Same people are also suppressed from buying a gun.
Wow. Darrin found a new way to fail again!
Voter Purges in Florida and Colorado Find Almost ‘No Confirmed Noncitizens’
Colorado, which along with Florida was initially denied access to the database, says that an automated check of more than 1,400 names has flagged 177 people as possible noncitizens. Colorado has asked the Department of Homeland Security, which maintains the database, to assign a person to verify their status.
“For the moment, we have no confirmed noncitizens, but I would expect that most of those people would come back as noncitizens,” says Andrew Cole, a spokesman for Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler.
Both states are planning new purges before November. Voter purges are currently ongoing dozen states, all of which have Republican election officials.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...d-noncitizens/
Ohio Secretary Of State Backs Down, Allows Local Officials To Set Early Voting Hours
yes on Sep 7, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted (R)
After previously trying to restrict early voting, Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted (R) today reversed course on his decision to block county boards of elections from setting their own early voting hours in the days leading up to the November election.
Last month, Husted and Ohio Republicans led an effort to limit early voting hours in Democratic counties, including those with major cities like Columbus and Cleveland, while expanding early voting in Republican counties. After the ensuing uproar, Husted moved to restrict voting hours across the state, only to have his cuts to early voting restored by a federal court.
Husted responded to the ruling by refusing to comply with the court order. Expanding voting hours, he claimed in Directive 2012-40, will “only serve to confuse voters.” Therefore, the directive read, he was “prohibit[ing] county boards of elections from determining hours for the Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or Monday before the election.” The move led Judge Peter Economus to set a hearing for September 13: “The Court ORDERS that Defendant Secretary of State Jon Husted personally attend the hearing,” his release read.
Facing a direct court order, Husted has chosen instead to back down. This afternoon, Husted’s office released Directive 2012-42 with a brief message: “Directive 2012-40 is hereby rescinded.” As a result, county boards of elections will now be allowed to set their own hours, pending Husted’s appeal of the Obama for America v. Husted decision.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...ed-backs-down/
The big question in "dynamic, modern" America, why isn't ALL voting moved to Sat + Sun, rather than Tuesday, to enable the maximum citizen voting participation with the minimum of obstacles like trying to vote on a workday?
Is America so scared of change it can't move away from Tue?
3 Ways the GOP Has Already Disenfranchised Thousands of Swing-State Voters
1. Criminalize Voter Registration Drives
This strategy can best be seen in—surprise—Florida. According to a new report [4] by Project Vote, at least 23 states have new rules for groups that conduct voter registration drives. The strictest of these require volunteers to undergo state trainings, set tight timetables for turning in registration applications and ban paying field workers based on the number of registrations filed. These kinds of new rules target groups like Project Vote [5], which once assisted low-income advocates such as ACORN in its drives.
Florida’s voter registration restrictions, which went into effect July 2011 and stayed in effect until this June (when they were thrown out by a federal court) also had big fines for any mistakes made with registration forms. A recent New York Times report [6] noted that groups that previously registered voters in Florida, such as the League of Women Voters, Rock the Vote and Florida Public Interest Research Group (PIRG), stopped while the law was in effect. Compared to this period a year before the 2008 election, Florida has 250,000 fewer new Democratic registrants, the Times said.
A just-released paper [7] by Dartmouth College’s Michael Herron and the University of Florida’s Daniel Smith traces the disproportionate impact of Florida’s suppression laws on likely Democrats. It noted that Rock the Vote registered 140,000 people in 2008, “primarily college students,” but did not resume registering voters once the new law took effect in July 2011. It found there were 79,000 fewer new voter registration applications between 2007 and 2011, of which 15,000 fewer applications were from people under 21. While Florida’s 2011 election law reforms affected voters across all ethnic groups, the political scientists found it was “more pronounced for Democratic registrants.”
While voter registration groups have been busy in Florida since early June’s federal court ruling, they still lost a year—thanks to the GOP. Floridians who are eligible to vote must register 29 days before the November election, so there is still time left. But the GOP didn’t stop there. If you moved from one county to another in Florida since the last election, you have to file a change of address form, or else you will be given a provisional ballot on Election Day.
Academics expect Florida will issue 300,000 provisional ballots on Election Day, a large number that will slow down polling place voting. Moreover, Florida’s November ballot will be the longest ever—also because of legislative changes—and that too will mean polling place delays. None of these complicating steps needed to happen. They were adopted by Republicans who want to erect barriers.
In Wisconsin, the GOP-controlled Legislature passed a law that requires anyone registering voters to be certified by the local election office where that new voter is a resident. Before the law, those working on registration drives could get a statewide certification. This new local requirement "is a real pain," said Andrea Kaminski of the Wisconsin's League of Women Voters, because the state has 1,750 local election jurisdictions. "I can tell you the numbers, but I can tell you it has hurt our efforts."
2. Disenfranchise Felons—Again
Florida’s shady reputation extends to its shameful treatment of former felons, of whom an estimated 200,000 lost their right to vote in 2012 because the state’s GOP Tea Party Governor Rick Scott and legislature reversed a voting rights reform from the previous governor, moderate Republican Charlie Crist. In 2011, Scott and the GOP passed a law that requires nonviolent offenders who have completed their sentence to wait five years before applying for a clemency board hearing to regain voting rights. All other former offenders must wait seven years.
According to the Sentencing Project’s latest numbers, as of 2010 there were 1.3 million ex-felons living in Florida—almost one out of every 10 voting-age adults. A recent report [8] in the Nation estimated that 200,000 former felons would have been eligible to vote this fall were it not for the state’s new disenfranchisement policy. “Blacks are 13 percent of registered voters in Florida, but 23 percent of disenfranchised felons,” it said.
Florida is not alone [9] in its treatment of former felons when it comes to voting rights. In Virginia, another 2012 swing state, there are about 350,000 ex-felons [9] who have not regained their voting rights. And in Iowa, another swing state, there are at least 12,000 [10] parolees and federal probationers, according to the Sentencing Project, many of whom just lost their voting rights. Last year, Iowa’s new Republican Governor, Terry Branstad, rescinded an executive order that had returned voting rights to ex-felons.
Nationally, there are 5.85 million disenfranchised felons, the Sentencing Project reports [10], with three-quarters living outside prisons and jails. Curiously, ex-felons are not a monolithic Democratic voting block, said Michael McDonald of George Mason University, a nationally known expert on voter turnout. Many who regain their voting rights are white-collar criminals who support Republicans. However, in states such as Florida, a disproportionate number come from communities of color where voting histories typically are pro-Democrat.
3. Spread Propaganda That Voters Will Be Policed
Every war has a propaganda component and the GOP’s war on Democratic voters is no exception. In Florida, Colorado, Michigan, Kansas and New Mexico, top state election officials have decried the alleged presence of tens of thousands of non-citizens on their voting rolls, which would be illegal. (The reality is the numbers are very small.) They have said the state must take steps to police the rolls and polls. This deliberate posturing has already had a negative impact on voters, according to Florida’s Ion Sancho, who is the supervisor of elections in Leon County, where the state capital is located.
In Florida, Scott and his handpicked secretary of state this summer claimed that there were more than 180,000 non-citizens on voter rolls and a massive purge was needed. They later took back that assertion, walking back from the poised purge and saying they’d study the issue after November. But the Florida GOP knew exactly what it was doing by making the false claims and preying on people’s fears. Sancho said his office keeps getting calls from would-be voters who think they lack the proper identifying do ents to get a ballot in November.
“The newspapers talked about a purge—there wasn’t a purge,” he said. “And Florida did not change its voter ID law. But all this information is confusing young voters, confusing minorities, and nothing has changed [with voter ID requirements]. Nothing.”
Worse, where there have been changes in voting procedures, such as with moved or consolidated polling places after state and congressional redistricting, new requirements for filing change-of-address forms, and shortened early voting periods and new weekend voting hours, the state has yet to launch any public education efforts to avoid chaos this fall.
“Where are the public education efforts by the secretary of state,” Sancho asks. “Where are the public service ads in the state of Florida?” The answer is they are not on the air—not yet. And that is largely true in other swing states like Pennsylvania, where the state is now unrolling a new voter ID program that may affect hundreds of thousands of urban voters who do not have driver’s licenses.
http://www.alternet.org/print/3-ways...g-state-voters
It's The (Repug Anti-) American Way
So why do we need a new law and new beaurocracy to solve a problem we have no information on, other than it will likely disenfranshise a lot of legimitate voters?
The fraud this is supposed to prevent is already criminalized, as noted.
More fact and explanation fail.
The longer Republicans fail to produce actual instances and real, MATERIAL fraud, the more it looks like a cynical bull ploy to supress hostile voting blocks by a political party, which is what *I* think it is.
But, if you Republicans think that this will be effective, you are underestimating how much this is really pissing people on the left off.
Here is a fair example, and I wouldn't ask anyone to read the whole thing, or even agree with it, but what you should note is the tone and, more importantly, the results.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...a-field-report
As I said, take the slant with a grain of salt, but keep in mind GOP efforts at voter supression have consequences.
I will, as a Democrat find it funny when Republicans start losing elections in states where they are actively seeking to supress Democratic blocs, for the simple reason that these blocs have the capacity to self-organize and are getting really mad about the obvious bull .
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
How much of that fraud is covered by existing laws, and how much will be prevented by the proposed voter ID law?It isn't "weak sauce" to ask for some decent evidence before changing public policy.
now that's some weak sauce .
That is how governments should work. Identify real problems, gather information abou them, and impliment effective, balanced solutions.
Pretty much.
After they have exhaused their emailed talkiing points, it becomes of alot of hand-waving.
LOL "randompropaganda" from the "I got it from an email" crowd.
Describes you perfectly.Pretty much.
After they have exhaused their emailed talkiing points, it becomes of alot of hand-waving.
LOL "randompropaganda" from the "I got it from an email" crowd.
Is John Roberts Coming for Your Vote?
Watching the almost uniform sea of white faces in attendance at the 2012 Republican National Convention called to mind one of the defining hallmarks of all reactionary movements of the modern era: Whatever their particular social and historical contexts, they seek not a new future free of past injustices but a return to mythologized past glories.
For today’s tea-party-dominated Republicans, the glorified past is steeped in racial- and gender-based nostalgia. It is a vision of America drawn from simplistic and distorted allusions to the wisdom of the Founding Fathers, the infantile hyper-individualism of Ayn Rand and, on a more mundane level, patriarchal 1950s sitcoms like “Leave It to Beaver.” It is a vision in which clean-cut, white, Christian men hold all positions of responsibility and lead prosperous suburban lives with dutiful and well-coiffed spouses like June Cleaver at their sides. It is a vision in which racial minorities, to the extent that they are ever seen, happily accept their second-class citizenship.
The catalog of suppression techniques included the poll tax, first enacted in Georgia in 1871 and, by 1904, adopted throughout the former Confederacy; the literacy test, first imposed by South Carolina in 1882; white-only primaries; and state laws and local ordinances that made it difficult for black voters to establish residency and register. And where all else failed, the old South was never above outright intimidation of black voters and African-Americans seeking elective office.
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The net effect on the franchise was devastating. The Georgia poll tax alone, estimates California Ins ute of Technology historian J. Morgan Kousser, resulted in a 50 percent drop in black voter turnout. The turnout of poor whites also plummeted, decreasing, according to Kousser, between 16 and 28 percent.
The Supreme Court was a willing participant in the suppression regime, unanimously rejecting a cons utional challenge brought by a 28-year-old impoverished white man to the Georgia poll tax in 1937 (Breedlove v. Suttles). It was not until 1966, after ratification of the 24th Amendment (prohibiting poll taxes in federal elections) and the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, that the high court declared all poll taxes illegal under the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment (Harper v. Virginia State Board of Elections).
There are already pe ions from North Carolina and Alabama pending before the Supreme Court of Chief Justice John Roberts that seek to invalidate Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act—the all-important provision that requires states and localities with a legacy of electoral discrimination to obtain “preclearance” from the Justice Department or the courts before implementing new laws. The Roberts court is already on record, in a 2009 case from Texas, questioning the continued viability of Section 5 (Northwest Austin Municipal Utility District No. 1 v. Holder). The Roberts court has also approved photo ID statutes, having upheld in 2008 Indiana’s highly restrictive ID law (Crawford v. Marion County Election Board).
Whether or not Obama is re-elected, and no matter how creative the formal legal challenges to suppression are, overcoming the entrenched bias of the Roberts court is doubtful at best. However, this is not 1937 or 1957.
Compare the abundance of white faces at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla., with the multicultural, multiracial faces at the Democratic Party’s meeting in Charlotte, N.C. Whatever we may think of the current policy shortcomings of the Democrats—and there are many—that multicultural, multiracial base is the nation’s authentic present and its certain future. Sooner or later, that base will lay the tea party’s corrosive nostalgia—and voter suppression along with it—to rest. It’s only a question of time.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...vote_20120905/
All done by Democrats. It was Republicans that freed the slaves, Bot.
I love when dumbass neocons take credit for civil rights, while conveniently leaving out the fact that the GOP's shift towards neocon Bible-thumping bigotry started when the Dixiecrats switched parties in 1964 because of the Civil Rights Act.... do you really think we're that gullible, B?
It's the Repugs who stuffed the SCOTUS with extreme right-wing, pro-ins ution/anti-citizen JINOs
The Repugs who freed the slaves don't exist anymore, , even the Eisenhauer Repugs are gone, and and St Ronnie wouldn't have a chance in today's Repug extremism.
But keep dishonestly claiming emancipation for your side, which is more honestly characterized by the Repug racist Southern Strategy.
St. Ronnie will be winning the Repug nomination in 2016.... Ron bless
Florida Voter Purge Caught Just One Non-Citizen Voter
Months after Florida first began its purge of the state’s voter rolls, officials now have something to show for it: a single prosecutable case of voter fraud by an immigrant from Canada. Josef Sever, 52, is the only person found to have been falsely presenting himself as a US citizen in Florida, and voted in the last two presidential elections despite being a Canadian citizen. Earlier this month, a spokesman for Florida’s Secretary of State Ken Detzner told NPR that the state was investigating “several” possible cases of voter fraud. That number now appears to be down to just six other outstanding investigations into possible cases of voter fraud, in a state where 8.3 million people voted in 2008.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...citizen-voter/
FYI, 21 Democrats voted against it in the senate vs. 6 Republicans voting against it.
91 Democrats in the House voted against it vs. 35 Republicans voting against it.
"I'm rubber and you're glue..."?
Seriously?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
Republican and Democrat had less to do with it than region.
One could note that Republicans in any region voted less for it than their Democratic counterparts, percentage wise.
Simple fact is a lot more Democrats voted against the 1964 voting rights act than Republicans.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
Republican and Democrat had less to do with it than region.
One could note that Republicans in any region voted less for it than their Democratic counterparts, percentage wise.
You can spin and spin and spin but that is an irrefutable fact.
That's odd. I swear that's not the first time I've heard that question asked.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201988
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