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    I think it's dumb.

    San Antonio has no business creating a new bureaucracy for "education" when we already have the school districts to do this.

    At a proposed cost of $10,000 PLUS per student to provide K4 services to 2000 kids it seems to be an awful boondoggle to me.

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    I think it's dumb.

    San Antonio has no business creating a new bureaucracy for "education" when we already have the school districts to do this.

    At a proposed cost of $10,000 PLUS per student to provide K4 services to 2000 kids it seems to be an awful boondoggle to me.
    I think Pre-K education has been proven to have a significant positive impact on students.

    I also think this should be something the school districts fund (through property taxes), not the city.

    I would argue that Pre-K is too important to be kept "outside" of the public education system (you have to pay extra to send your kid to Pre-K).

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    I think Pre-K education has been proven to have a significant positive impact on students.

    I also think this should be something the school districts fund (through property taxes), not the city.

    I would argue that Pre-K is too important to be kept "outside" of the public education system (you have to pay extra to send your kid to Pre-K).
    Agreed.

    It is important but not a function the city should attempt to provide. And if we create this new city bureaucracy it will NEVER go away, as no politician would vote against "education".

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    Pre-K is ridiculously expensive as it is. I got a 10% discount through work, but it was still $720/mo at Children's Courtyard.

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    Agreed.

    It is important but not a function the city should attempt to provide. And if we create this new city bureaucracy it will NEVER go away, as no politician would vote against "education".
    Concurred

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    Pre-K is ridiculously expensive as it is. I got a 10% discount through work, but it was still $720/mo at Children's Courtyard.
    Damn, I send my daughter to St. Matthews and last year (pre-k) was only 5600ish dollars.

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    Damn, I send my daughter to St. Matthews and last year (pre-k) was only 5600ish dollars.
    Yeah my ex and I needed a place that would also be able to keep her till 6:30 if needed. We roughly split the cost, but it was still a burden.

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    Hmmm...my kids schools offer Pre-K at the school.

    Not daycare tho. When you combo the two, that's when it gets expensive.

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    And I remember well the costs of daycare for my two kids. Almost neutered myself over that.

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    And I remember well the costs of daycare for my two kids. Almost neutered myself over that.
    you can rent a nice house for day care costs, even in Austin.

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    but is daycare a role of city government?

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    do the school districts have the scratch to cover it?
    Sure. It's only a tax hike away.

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    Do you really need a teacher with a masters degree to herd 4 year olds?

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    but is daycare a role of city government?
    That's up to the citizens. If the citizens want their city to be in the day care business, I don't see why anyone should have a problem with it. If the citizens don't want their city to be in the day care business, then nobody should have a problem with that either.

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    Yeah my ex and I needed a place that would also be able to keep her till 6:30 if needed. We roughly split the cost, but it was still a burden.
    I am right there with you. their after school program was until 6:30 and it was 70 a month. I guess with that included it came out to nearly 6500. We used a babysitter though who charged us 150 a week for our newborn son and our daughter's after school care.

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    So NOBODY thinks this is a good idea? My position is that we already have school districts and school boards in place to deal with education. They already have their bureaucracies and funding mechanisms in place. These school districts have school boards that we VOTE ON. If we don't like what they are doing we can vote them out.

    Let the CITY set up an education branch and it will be un-elected bureaucrats running it and once voted in it will NEVER go away and will continue to grow and gobble tax revenue. Lets stop this before it starts.

    City council votes tomorrow on whether to put this on the ballot this fall. I urge you to write your councilman right now and try to get this thing killed before it ever starts...

    It's not about voting against education, it's about voting for the proper role of City Government.

    Don't let Mayor Castro's political ambitions create a new black hole city bureaucracy that become an albatross that we can never get rid of.

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    "funding mechanisms in place."

    Didn't RickyBobby cut k12 funding by about $5B recently?

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    That's up to the citizens. If the citizens want their city to be in the day care business, I don't see why anyone should have a problem with it. If the citizens don't want their city to be in the day care business, then nobody should have a problem with that either.
    this

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    So NOBODY thinks this is a good idea? My position is that we already have school districts and school boards in place to deal with education. They already have their bureaucracies and funding mechanisms in place. These school districts have school boards that we VOTE ON. If we don't like what they are doing we can vote them out.

    Let the CITY set up an education branch and it will be un-elected bureaucrats running it and once voted in it will NEVER go away and will continue to grow and gobble tax revenue. Lets stop this before it starts.

    City council votes tomorrow on whether to put this on the ballot this fall. I urge you to write your councilman right now and try to get this thing killed before it ever starts...

    It's not about voting against education, it's about voting for the proper role of City Government.

    Don't let Mayor Castro's political ambitions create a new black hole city bureaucracy that become an albatross that we can never get rid of.
    Thanks for the thread.

    I just got off the phone with the District 8 council person's office asking to please vote it down.

    fwiw, the secretary/aide said she has been taking calls all day on it and is keeping a running tab, so if you want to save time, I'd suggest taking the phone route over the writing route, imo.

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    Thanks for the thread.

    I just got off the phone with the District 8 council person's office asking to please vote it down.

    fwiw, the secretary/aide said she has been taking calls all day on it and is keeping a running tab, so if you want to save time, I'd suggest taking the phone route over the writing route, imo.
    Why bother? San Antonio is ed and un able!

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    Why bother? San Antonio is ed and un able!
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    .....maybe Bobby is on to something.....

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    the irony of course is that we had a fine way to pay for our school system, then the rich people ed cause poorer schools were getting cash. And now we can't pay for our school system.

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    I just read a bit about the policy on the mayor's .gov page. This thing doesn't even offer prek for everyone! Only those who qualify for pre k through the state by virtue of their income, their parents’ military status, time spent in the foster care system and their home language, but are "for one reason or another" not served. Becoming less of a fan of this by the minute.
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    It's education. What branch of government is it fit for? if it needs to be done then what level of government?

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