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    https://www.google.com/search?num=10...w=800&bih=1280

    This is especially bad for all these Boomer Republicans who have a bubble on the population distribution curve and who need as many citizens as possible to pay in first their social security and Medicare which Trump promised a thousand times during his campaign not to cut

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    Numbers just going to keep going up and these people refuse to take ss and Medicare cuts. So if young people having and the workforce population is going down..
    Also just forgetting even the Social Security and Medicare part of it it's good to have a growing Workforce duh

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    He's talking about how American born citizens especially millennials are having less than replacement levels of kids I would think. So you need immigration to prevent declining population numbers which is bad for the economy
    The issue is not replacing the population - it's WHO we replace them with. Why should immigration be based on family ties (I'm not talking about immediate family - your spouse or own kids but all the other relatives)? Why not on a merit-based system to get immigrants who are a plus to our society, who don't need to be taught English, who have education and skills we need - who aren't a drain on our society. How about thinking about what's good for this country instead of allowing in every Tom, and Harry- regardless of whether they will benefit us? That's what Canada and I think Australia do (please notice how Australia protects their country - refusing to take those refugees and palming them off on Obama and the US).

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    The issue is not replacing the population - it's WHO we replace them with. Why should immigration be based on family ties (I'm not talking about immediate family - your spouse or own kids but all the other relatives)? Why not on a merit-based system to get immigrants who are a plus to our society, who don't need to be taught English, who have education and skills we need - who aren't a drain on our society. How about thinking about what's good for this country instead of allowing in every Tom, and Harry- regardless of whether they will benefit us? That's what Canada and I think Australia do (please notice how Australia protects their country - refusing to take those refugees and palming them off on Obama and the US).
    Oh, well to proportionately match the Syrian refugees that Canada took in, we'd have to take in over 400,000.

    160,000 to match protective Australia (they didn't separate Iraqi and Syrian refugees in the sources I found)

    Ready to do that?
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    The issue is not replacing the population - it's WHO we replace them with. Why should immigration be based on family ties (I'm not talking about immediate family - your spouse or own kids but all the other relatives)? Why not on a merit-based system to get immigrants who are a plus to our society, who don't need to be taught English, who have education and skills we need - who aren't a drain on our society. How about thinking about what's good for this country instead of allowing in every Tom, and Harry- regardless of whether they will benefit us? That's what Canada and I think Australia do (please notice how Australia protects their country - refusing to take those refugees and palming them off on Obama and the US).
    Trump wants to drastically cut all kinds of immigration though and he's said this a trillion times

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    Trump wants to drastically cut all kinds of immigration though and he's said this a trillion times
    I would limit family migration to immediate family, cut all immigration from questionable terrorist/ISIS countries and vastly increase immigration based on a merit-based system - that is what he probably wants too.

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    I would limit family migration to immediate family, cut all immigration from questionable terrorist/ISIS countries and vastly increase immigration based on a merit-based system - that is what he probably wants too.
    No he wants to cut it in half: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a4fc58903c1c

    most economists think it's horrible idea.

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    In the GOP tax bill, only the rich can afford grad school

    Thus begs the question, how would the congressmen with degrees have fared if they lost their tuition waivers?

    , it would also dramatically increase the tax burden for graduate student workers by counting their tuition waivers—which they receive in exchange for their labor as teaching and research assistants—as taxable income.

    eliminating student loan interest rate deductions and the Lifetime Learning Credit, the House bill effectively makes graduate school financially out of reach for all but the wealthy.

    https://www.salon.com/2017/12/03/in-the-gop-tax-bill-only-the-rich-can-afford-grad-school_partner/

    Repugs and conservatives have always been anti-intellectual, anti-education that doesn't propagandize for their bull "philosophy"



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    The issue is not replacing the population - it's WHO we replace them with. Why should immigration be based on family ties (I'm not talking about immediate family - your spouse or own kids but all the other relatives)? Why not on a merit-based system to get immigrants who are a plus to our society, who don't need to be taught English, who have education and skills we need - who aren't a drain on our society. How about thinking about what's good for this country instead of allowing in every Tom, and Harry- regardless of whether they will benefit us? That's what Canada and I think Australia do (please notice how Australia protects their country - refusing to take those refugees and palming them off on Obama and the US).
    Bring me your wealthy, your English speakers, your fortunate of 1st world countries...

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    ing Poland...

    In Japan, 6 total.

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    goddam, IOWA and all its racist Repugs and the assholes they elect

    Grassley: Tax Bill Favors ‘Savers,’ Not Those Spending On ‘Booze Or Women’

    Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) defended his support for the Republican tax bill in an interview published Saturday by arguing that

    the legislation favors those who invest their money

    over those who spend their money on things like “booze” and “women.”


    “I think not having the estate tax recognizes the people that are investing,” he told the Des Moines Register,

    “as opposed to those that are just spending every darn penny they have, whether it’s on booze or women or movies.”

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/grassley-tax-bill-savers-over-spenders?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm _campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29



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    Bring me your wealthy, your English speakers, your fortunate of 1st world countries...

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    More likely, a lot of Indians and Chinese - like Canada:

    In 2016, the target for the economic class – the category most used by Indian immigrants – was at 160,600. This has now been upped to 172,500. The family reunification class has been increased by 4,000 to 84,000.

    In his statement introducing the immigration plan, McCallum said, “In 2017, economic immigration programs will see an overall increase of 7% over 2016. Immigrants with skills and experience are able to quickly contribute to the Canadian economy and society, improving life for the middle class as they help create jobs, spur innovation and strengthen communities.”

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-...oBAGfR9KO.html

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    Republicans Sought to Undercut an Unfavorable Analysis of the Tax Plan

    A Republican requirement that Congress consider the full cost of major legislation threatened to derail the party’s $1.5 trillion tax rewrite last week.

    So lawmakers went on the offensive to discredit the agency performing the analysis.


    In 2015, Republicans changed the budget rules in Congress so that official scorekeepers would be required to analyze the potential economic impact of major legislation when determining how it would affect federal revenues.

    But on Thursday, hours before they were set to vote on the largest tax cut Congress has considered in years,

    Senate Republicans opened an assault on that scorekeeper, the Joint Committee on Taxation, and its analysis,

    which showed the Senate plan would not, as lawmakers contended, pay for itself but would add $1 trillion to the federal budget deficit.

    Public statements and messaging do ents obtained by The New York Times show a concerted push by Republican lawmakers to discredit a nonpartisan agency they had long praised.

    Party leaders circulated two pages of “response points” that declared “the substance, timing and growth assumptions of J.C.T.’s ‘dynamic’ score are suspect.”

    Among their arguments was that

    the joint committee was using “consistently wrong” growth models

    to assess the effect the tax cuts would have on hiring, wages and investment.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/u...rref=undefined

    After the Repugs' 2001 enormous tax cut (for the wealthy of course), job creation through 2008 was the lowest of any 8 year period since WWII.

    Same with the Repugs' "tax holiday" of repatriation of $200b+ at 5%. BigPharma got their $Bs and then laid off 40K people.





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    Guess we'll see how important those concessions were to Flake and Collins when the bill comes back to the Senate.

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    And why should the US not do a merit-based system like Canada - why not allow people who will contribute economically to our country - who have college degrees, who speak our language (like English/French for Canada)?

    People were not dying in the streets from lack of health care before Obamacare. And please explain how this tax change will raise the death rate.
    Smart people wont want to be paid pennies on the dollar

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    California Today: The Tax Bill’s ‘Spiraling Consequences’

    economists and tax specialists on the West Coast are adding up the ways that the changes could hurt California.

    Among the most publicized is the capping of the mortgage interest deduction, which could make buying a home in California even less affordable than it is now.

    The abolishing of deductions for state and local taxes, which could sharply raise Californians’ tax bill, is another.

    “I’ve never seen anything like this,” said Gonzalo Freixes, a tax expert at the U.C.L.A. Anderson School of Management.

    “It could have spiraling consequences — the economy, the real estate market, revenues to local governments — it goes further and further into things where it could have a negative impact.”

    The House bill called for the elimination of the tax credit for electric vehicles, a potentially big blow for Tesla, which has large manufacturing facilities in California.

    Under the Senate bill, single filers earning $160,000 to around $200,000, of whom there are many in coastal California, would see their top marginal tax rate increase to 32 percent from 28 percent.

    Research universities like Stanford, Berkeley, U.C.L.A. and Caltech would likely be hit by the repeal of deductions for graduate students and a new tax on endowment income.

    Executives wanting to pursue a midcareer M.B.A. might reconsider; the House bill removes deductions for professional education courses.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/u...er=rss&emc=rss



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    Student Loan Debt Is Now As Big as the U.S. Junk Market

    U.S. student loan debt now equals the size of the $1.3 trillion U.S. high-yield corporate bond market, presenting investors with a whole different range of risks.

    “Delinquency rates on student loans are much higher than those on auto loans or mortgages,

    due to loose student loan underwriting standards,

    the unsecured nature of student debt, and

    the inability to charge off non-performing student loans in bankruptcy,”

    Goldman Sachs Group Inc. analysts Marty Young and Lotfi Karoui wrote in a note Tuesday.

    “The substantial majority of student loan default risk is borne by the U.S. Treasury.”



    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-s-junk-market



    Assuming an avg student loan interest rate of 6%, $1.3T x 0.06 = $78B interest ...

    ... that the Repug tax cut will now deny as deductible from gross income. iow, that's a HUGE raise in taxes
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    Lol reasoning with ducks
    Not really possible.

    Fun to rub his nose in the poop his favorite puppy left on the floor though.

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