George Hill is a waste of time

[SequSpur]

0 for 10 in a got damn summer league game? This guy should be tearing shit up and he hasn't done jack.

Give me a freaking BREAK ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All I can say is


What the fuck is going on here??????

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Wah, wah wah.

Grow up.

[anakha]

This thread has really raised the bar.

[Jlowd21]

0 for 10 in a got damn summer league game? This guy should be tearing shit up and he hasn't done jack.

Give me a freaking BREAK ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All I can say is


What the fuck is going on here??????

It's summer league! This is why you shouldn't be freaking out and crying.
:downspin:

[timvp]

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[Solid D]

http://dsorecords.com/wp-content/uploads/pics/Jump_The_Shark.jpg

:rollin MpraJYnbVtE

[ss1986v2]

0 for 10 in a got damn summer league game? This guy should be tearing shit up and he hasn't done jack.

Give me a freaking BREAK ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and beasley went 1-13 in his 2nd summer league game. guess hes shit too...

its summer league for gods sake! seriously, go be short and angry somewhere else...

[Indazone]

George Hill is a rookie from the Summit League playing less than the best in Division I NCAA. What did you expect? He's good but he's NBDL good right now. He needs to adjust to the speed and size of NBA players.

[SequSpur]

George Hill is a rookie from the Summit League playing less than the best in Division I NCAA. What did you expect? He's good but he's NBDL good right now. He needs to adjust to the speed and size of NBA players.

He sucks.

0 for 10 in summer league? somebody needs to own up to this pick and admit they were wrong.... shit, I'm sure hill is a great guy... but got damn... :lol this is about winning, filling needs, the spurs fucked up....

AGAIN.

[SequSpur]

The Spurs should send George Hill back home and wait for camp... shit, his trade value is now worse than the coyotes.

[SequSpur]

As a sidenote, my short 5 2 ass, couldn't go 0 for 10 in any game.... I don't give a shit if I jack it up 10 feet passed the 3 line, I could still make 3 of them....

give me a break already...

[mistwiya]

Whos the guy on this forum with the sig of an olympic dude failing at jumping with the pole and then crashes down, can anyone send me that pic???

[Solid D]

As a sidenote, my short 5 2 a**, couldn't go 0 for 10 in any game.... I don't give a s*** if I jack it up 10 feet passed the 3 line, I could still make 3 of them....

give me a break already...

Yeah and what's worse, he let's Whitney Houston's ex, Bobby Brown, score 15 points on him. Dude is old.

[2centsworth]

It's just the summer league, he'll do much better in the NBA. LOL

btw, i still think the jury is still out on this kid.

[SequSpur]

Yeah and what's worse, he let's Whitney Houston's ex, Bobby Brown, score 15 points on him. Dude is old.

:lmao

[nil.ball]

i mean at least you didn't draft nicolas batum, i mean it could be worse

[Guajalote]

During TP's first few years in the league, the deeper into the playoffs and specifically the closer to the end of clutch playoff games, he tended to end up on the bench due to ineffective play, watching another point guard playing in his place. And after time and a boatload of patience on Pop's part, TP ended up Finals MVP last year.

I've just got a feeling about Hill and I know it's restating the obvious, but I think he can be successful and just needs time to hone his skills. I think spending a lot of time with TP and Vaughn will help him establish himself in the league. Even a stint or two in the NBDL for a few months would be helpful. (Now watch him go for a quadruple double in his next game and make me eat my hat :lol)

[Spurtacus]

I can't imagine being on this forum every time Spurs lose a regular season game. Must be chaos. Entire roster would need to be traded to make someone happy for five minutes before they start bitching about the new players.

[SequSpur]

During TP's first few years in the league, the deeper into the playoffs and specifically the closer to the end of clutch playoff games, he tended to end up on the bench due to ineffective play, watching another point guard playing in his place. And after time and a boatload of patience on Pop's part, TP ended up Finals MVP last year.

I've just got a feeling about Hill and I know it's restating the obvious, but I think he can be successful and just needs time to hone his skills. I think spending a lot of time with TP and Vaughn will help him establish himself in the league. Even a stint or two in the NBDL for a few months would be helpful. (Now watch him go for a quadruple double in his next game and make me eat my hat :lol)

TP owned the summer league, is on nbalive 09 and is currently the best player in the NBA. George Hill will never sniff any of that much less be worthy enough to own nbalive 09.

[anakha]

I can't imagine being on this forum every time Spurs lose a regular season game. Must be chaos. Entire roster would need to be traded to make someone happy for five minutes before they start bitching about the new players.

Just wait until around January, when the Spurs go into their 'regular season, wgaf' mode. :lol

[Guajalote]

TP owned the summer league, is on nbalive 09 and is currently the best player in the NBA. George Hill will never sniff any of that much less be worthy enough to own nbalive 09.

TP has come a long way. That's what I'm hoping for Hill. Even though he doesn't seem to have the same knack for penetrating and scoring at the rim, they both are the "quick type" point guards.

If this pick can work out and Hill ends up being a solid NBA caliber point guard, imagine our opponents never getting a rest while TP is on the bench.

I know, if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his butt hopping. But I really think that Hill's got raw potential and TP, Vaughn, and Manu to some extent could really be helpful to him developing like we hope he will. I think that was the FO's plan all along. They spotted the same diamond in the rough that they saw in TP.

[tlongII]

I'm sure George Hill is a nice person, but he just isn't an NBA player. The Spurs had an opportunity to draft someone that could play, but they screwed up. And Popovich got promoted to President. :rolleyes

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I'm sure George Hill is a nice person, but he just isn't an NBA player.

Sure he is. He's on the Spurs.

[Marcus Bryant]

With all of the usual forum suspects knocking Hill, he's destined to be a vital contributor next season.

[SequSpur]

With all of the usual forum suspects knocking Hill, he's destined to be a vital contributor next season.


2 for 19

[Marcus Bryant]

2 for 19

Still better than the record for your drivel.

[SequSpur]

Still better than the record for your drivel.

0 for 10

[Marcus Bryant]

0 for 10

0'10"

[SequSpur]

0'10"

exactly... I win.

:loser

[Marcus Bryant]

I was generous.

Go punch one out if the summerleagues agitate you so.

[jjktkk]

As a sidenote, my short 5 2 ass, couldn't go 0 for 10 in any game.... I don't give a shit if I jack it up 10 feet passed the 3 line, I could still make 3 of them....

give me a break already...

Why aren't you on the Spurs summer squad then?:rolleyes

[coopdogg3]

Hill's Night To Forget

Whenever my kids act up and I have to discipline them, I usually start off my lecture with something they did right before I hit them with the list of things they did wrong.

I'm going to take a similar approach to describe George Hill's performance against the Hornets.

What went right: The guard had seven rebounds, four assists and for the most part, did a good job directing the Spurs' offensive attack.

What went wrong: He had six fouls, five turnovers, scored just three points and was 0-for-10 from the field. He missed his shots in a variety of ways. He had them blocked, he had layups rim out, he had jumpers hit the back of the rim.

And just when it looked like his night couldn't get much worse, he ran into a Hilton Armstrong screen in the fourth quarter that left him crumpled on the court in pain for about two or three minutes. Ouch.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-33-54/NBA-Summer-League--Liveblogging-Day-5.html

For what it's worth

[jayc23]

go stuff yourself minime, you fail at life.. will you please agree to leave any never come back when Hill develops into a solid NBA player... Please can you go to a Laker forum or go to bandwagon.com... It sometimes makes my day when I get to read things posted by ignorant degenerates who have never stepped on a basketball court, judging people, your a fool, a shadow of a person... seriously stop reading box scores and reading blogs and pretending to be a talent expert.. stop pretending you know what a person is capable of based on 2 games... I've seen Hill play 100's of games, hes a scorer, hes a defender, hes a slasher, I've seen him be flagrantly fouled and thrown out of bounds and maintain control of his body and make the shot, I've seen him split Josh Smith and take it to the rim against diwight Howard and convert, I've seen him hold all 6'11 All-americans to 6 points, he was born to play this game from a small homicide ridden area in Indianapolis nick named "murder mile" and be praised for his character, not a street hardened thug like artest..what have you done with your life lately segu.. can you please just STFU and watch the game of basketball with out making a thread about hill every night.. what does it gain you to watch a player on your supposed team struggle and then mock is downfall..

you want to know why you do it .. because it makes you feel better... to make up for all your insecurities... being a pessimist ... mabe you were abused.. who knows.

[Gino2882]

Hopefully he can forget. He plays hard and genuinely looks like he wants to help this team win.

My biggest concerns was the lack of awareness on double teams.

[rj215]

a rookie plays horribly in his second summer league game???? let's cut him now and trade for summer league superstar nate robinson!!! and then let's fire rc and pop for drafting hill in the first place....:rolleyes

[debo]

do you ever just shut the fuck up

[angelbelow]

geez change teams already.

[DPG21920]

To be honest, I am more "worried" about Ian's play. I mean, he looks good, but has not really grasped how to get good position or how to best use his athleticism on the defensive end. I think enough of this D league for him, he has to be thrown into the mix in order to learn a la Tony P. He should not get a ton of minutes, but should see the floor. I wonder what the rotation will look like when it is all said and done, and how deep our bench will be.

[DPG21920]

Out of all of our youngsters, Ian is the one who can provide the most for the future imo. He is the one that needs to work out. I like his attitude and Hill's so I think they have it in them. Like I said, even when they did not play well, they looked better than most out there. They definitely belong.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess trainers wrap elbows for fun.

[DPG21920]

Are you implying serious injury

[Spur-Addict]

The Spurs should send George Hill back home and wait for camp... shit, his trade value is now worse than the coyotes.

You may very well be the biggest loser on planet earth. Go fuck a donkey.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you implying serious injuryNot serious, but there was tape.

[mystargtr34]

Can we hire Isiah for drafting purposes

[DPG21920]

It looks like Hill has pretty "free-rein" out there. Like I said, he does not look bad. Except for the finishing at the rim, everything else looks really good. He is super quick, nice handles, good d, good looking shot (even though they have not fallen) and he gets in the lane very effortlessly. An elbow injury might explain the shooting, but he does not seem to be working on any one thing. You can tell they are trying to get Ian in the low block, Gist is trying to be active, but Hill is doing everything. He looks better than most out there even when playing bad.

[DespЏrado]

The only thing clear from these two SL games is that Hill, Gist, and Ian all have the tools to make it in the NBA, and even the potential to develop into very nice players.

Hill looked like he had a great feel for the game out there even today. His handle is excellent and he sets things up with efficiency and crisp passes. The bad part of his game is that he looks horrible in the paint. He seems to force it way too much when he is driving, and can't seem to find the open man when he is collapsed on.

But a huge part of that is not knowing where your teammates are supposed to be, and not having the structure of a set offense and defense which everyone knows. Trying to play like a true point guard in Summer league is probably the most difficult task of any, all you have is a street ball style game in which everyone is trying to pad their own stats, and no one knows shit about the set plays or rotations.

Parker could excel in that situation given the type of shoot first guard he really is. George Hill looks very solid if he can have a system in which he knows where to pick his shots and where to find his team mates.

If he works at it he will be an excellent backup that in a few years might even push into Tony's PT.

So far I have no worries about Hill having the goods to make it as an NBA point guard, the thing I am most worried about is that Ian still doesn't seem like much of an improvement over Elson. Ian just isn't skilled enough to be a low energy player, and even though he looks all the world like he could be a superstar in the NBA, he neither imposes his will on a game nor go balls to the wall with hustle. I just don't see him taking his game to the next level.

[T Park]

He had a bad game and on top of it, he seems to be a tad injured.

Summer League games are the equivalent of scrimmages at the end of February against community colleges for MLB teams.

[AusSpursFan]

2 for 19

STFU you snivelling little twerp. It's his second game of summer league, like that is a record to judge him off.

[Mr. Body]

Hopes for Hill have rapidly declined to "hope he turns out decent" from earlier thoughts he was the steal of the draft. Turns out the steals might have come after the Spurs pick.

[ceperez]

Hill's Night To Forget

Whenever my kids act up and I have to discipline them, I usually start off my lecture with something they did right before I hit them with the list of things they did wrong.

I'm going to take a similar approach to describe George Hill's performance against the Hornets.

What went right: The guard had seven rebounds, four assists and for the most part, did a good job directing the Spurs' offensive attack.

What went wrong: He had six fouls, five turnovers, scored just three points and was 0-for-10 from the field. He missed his shots in a variety of ways. He had them blocked, he had layups rim out, he had jumpers hit the back of the rim.

And just when it looked like his night couldn't get much worse, he ran into a Hilton Armstrong screen in the fourth quarter that left him crumpled on the court in pain for about two or three minutes. Ouch.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-33-54/NBA-Summer-League--Liveblogging-Day-5.html

For what it's worth

You just never know if the Spurs coaching staff told him to work on the weak part of his game. You can't tell a player to stop rebounding, so he instinctively got 7 rebounds. But, you could perhaps tell a player not to take jump shots, wait to be trapped, play point or penetrate in traffic. So far, I have yet to see an impressive offensive move by Hill this summer league. You see that he's got quickness and seems to have a great nose for the ball in rebounds but you just wonder if he's being told to limit his offensive repertoire.

[Mr. Body]

you just wonder if he's being told to limit his offensive repertoire.

You've got to be kidding.

[TJastal]

Well, lucky for the spurs they picked up Roger Mason, if Hill isn't NBA ready yet, they are gonna need a ballhandler, since Barry is gone

[Mr. Body]

Well, lucky for the spurs they picked up Roger Mason, if Hill isn't NBA ready yet, they are gonna need a ballhandler, since Barry is gone

If Mason is all-fired good, they should have drafted a position of need.

[Sissiborgo]

Chill on it give him antoher chance haha i would like to see you play your summer league game haha

[mrspurs]

hill, still out rebounded fab and bonner put together....im telling ya, he's playing the wrong position...he should be next to ian, those guys are monsters on the boards....

[mrspurs]

i thought dropping beno in the middle of the season, and bringing in mighty mouse was a waste of time...no matter fact im sure of it......why isnt mighty mouse playing in the SL helping hill learn the system is my question?

[Marcus Bryant]

Hopes for Hill have rapidly declined to "hope he turns out decent" from earlier thoughts he was the steal of the draft. Turns out the steals might have come after the Spurs pick.

Perhaps in the dank recesses of your mind.

[ICE3000]

0 for 10 in a got damn summer league game? This guy should be tearing shit up and he hasn't done jack.

Give me a freaking BREAK ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All I can say is


What the fuck is going on here??????

YOU HAVE TO BE THE BIGGEST PUSSY ON THE NET

[ICE3000]

0 for 10 in a got damn summer league game? This guy should be tearing shit up and he hasn't done jack.

Give me a freaking BREAK ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All I can say is


What the fuck is going on here??????

AND ARENT YOU THE SAME GUY WHO WAS TALKING SHIT ABOUT THE US OLYMPIC SQUAD AFTER ARGENTINA WON THE GOLD.... YEAH THAT WAS YOU, WELL ITS 08' AND WERE GONNA KICK ARGENTINAS ASS!!!!!

[timaios]

George Hill was a SG in college. He need to learn the PG position and you can't do that in 2 games !!!
He needs to calm down and learn to play with NEW teammates.
It takes time !

He was a scorer in college, for me it's not the problem.
The problem is his new position.
He will be fine.

[Mr. Body]

George Hill was a SG in college. He need to learn the PG position and you can't do that in 2 games !!!

Why did they draft a small SG for a back-up point guard position? That's a transformation very, very few players make. If you want to try it, don't waste a first round pick on it. That's what the second round is for.

[urunobili]

WERE GONNA KICK ARGENTINAS ASS!!!!! that is yet to be seen my friend... :toast

[jacobdrj]

Who names their kid George after 1980? Isn't it like a banned name, with exclusive rights belonging to baby boomers? I thought we were talking about a coach when I clicked on the thread.

[SAGambler]

0 for 10 in a got damn summer league game? This guy should be tearing shit up and he hasn't done jack.

Give me a freaking BREAK ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All I can say is


What the fuck is going on here??????

SL is going on here. You expect a guy to come in, straight out of college, trying to learn a relatively new position to him, and burn up the court against guys that already have a year or so of NBA experience?

What dream world do you live in?

[VaSpursFan]

why are we going insane over out back up PG having a shitty game. at least he has talent...the kid isn't Jacque Vaughn for pete's sake.

pop likes the kid and will develop him. he'll realize his full potential under pop. take a deep breath....and exhale. the spurs b-ball universe will unfold as it should.

[lotr1trekkie]

Objectively speaking, Hill looked lost playing point on a team that was disorganized most of the time. He'd bring the ball down slowly and then just stop and wait for anyone to set a decent pick which rarely came. He was never open for a jumper. Everytime he got to the rim he got fouled or there was a no-call. Instant analysis tells me that Vaughn will be getting the majority of the backup minutes until Hill learns the system. Mahimni also never got the ball in a position to show any moves. Real schoolyard basketball.

[hater]

this thread should be an embarrassment to all spur fans. crying like a bitch for a summer league performance from the 26th pick in the draft. :lmao

[Marcus Bryant]

If Mason is all-fired good, they should have drafted a position of need.

Uh, they did.

[Solid D]

Who names their kid George after 1980? Isn't it like a banned name, with exclusive rights belonging to baby boomers? I thought we were talking about a coach when I clicked on the thread.

It's been used since at least the 3rd Century AD. Although the popularity of certain names rises and ebbs over time, the Social Security Administration statistics show that in the US, George continues to be a standard name (Top 150 or so).

As people born since 1980 might say, you just inflicted yourself with self-pwnage.

http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/

Popularity of a Name
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George 147
Joe 403
Joel 123
Joey 542
Jorge 128
Jose 35

Popularity of the male name George
Year of birth - Rank
2007 147
2006 152
2005 139
2004 146
2003 138
2002 131
2001 129
2000 130
1999 123
1998 125
1997 121
1996 118
1995 115
1994 110
1993 104
1992 95
1991 87
1990 79
1989 79
1988 78
1987 76
1986 74
1985 72
1984 68
1983 65
1982 63
1981 61
1980 60
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[Mr. Body]

Uh, they did.

They signed Roger Mason, ergo back-up point was not a position of need.

[hater]

spurs needed a scorer. Mason is suppossed to be a scorer

[Spuradicator]

I was dissapointed to see how bad Hill did, but Im not ready to throw the guy under the bus either.

[SenorSpur]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA.071608.1C_BKN_spurs_story.en.451f2e3.html

NBA: Spurs' Hill experience low after starting high


“If we’re true to our colors, at the end of the day, it’s defense that we think is most important,” Budenholzer said. “So the fact he has a lot of defensive skill is going to give him a lot of rope.

“That’s what summer league is for. You have to learn from games like he had tonight. Not every pro has been good in every summer league game he’s played, so this is a great chance for him to learn.”


Folks, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's give the kid a break here.

If the coaching staff sees enough in this kid to exude patience and give him some leeway, then we fans should do the same. It's only his second summer league game. The kid is not going to become Tony Parker over a matter of a few months.

[Marcus Bryant]

They signed Roger Mason, ergo back-up point was not a position of need.

ROFL. When did they sign him and when did the draft occur? Further, Mason is not going to be a backup point in SA.

[Anti.Hero]

Who names their kid George after 1980? Isn't it like a banned name, with exclusive rights belonging to baby boomers? I thought we were talking about a coach when I clicked on the thread.

beats Gilbert.

[anakha]

beats Gilbert.

Or Clarence.

[Brutalis]

It's been used since at least the 3rd Century AD. Although the popularity of certain names rises and ebbs over time, the Social Security Administration statistics show that in the US, George continues to be a standard name (Top 150 or so).

As people born since 1980 might say, you just inflicted yourself with self-pwnage.

http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/

Popularity of a Name
July 16, 2008
Background information

Similar male names for births in 2007 Name Rank
George 147
Joe 403
Joel 123
Joey 542
Jorge 128
Jose 35

Popularity of the male name George
Year of birth - Rank
2007 147
2006 152
2005 139
2004 146
2003 138
2002 131
2001 129
2000 130
1999 123
1998 125
1997 121
1996 118
1995 115
1994 110
1993 104
1992 95
1991 87
1990 79
1989 79
1988 78
1987 76
1986 74
1985 72
1984 68
1983 65
1982 63
1981 61
1980 60
Note: Rank 1 is the most popular, rank 2 is the next most popular, and so forth. Name data are from Social Security card applications for births that occurred in the United States.

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Then there's a lot of idiots out there. You don't name a baby now days George. That's just wrong. :lol

[nkdlunch]

hey Sequ. Parker had a couple 0-10 nights in 2001. did you have an aneurism back then as well? :lol

[Brutalis]

Hill has a lot to prove and it will be no news if he flops on his little face. Personally, we made a mistake drafting him so early. Only bias long time Spur fan will ride that coattail and by GOD he will too. There were better players left on the board and being so, Hill gets another load of pressure on his back to perform.

However the jury is still out. He has plenty of time to show me he isn't some scrub from some cupcake bitch school.

[2centsworth]

There is absolutely no way to say there were better players than hill because the jury is still out on him. My only beef with the pick is it seemed liked he could have been picked up with one of our 2nd round picks. I was probably wrong about that, so lets give the kid a fair chance.

[manufor3]

I can't imagine being on this forum every time Spurs lose a regular season game. Must be chaos. Entire roster would need to be traded to make someone happy for five minutes before they start bitching about the new players.

that is what happens.

[Marcus Bryant]

If you believe being a fan of a team entails being a negative bitch all of the time, well, you are not alone on here.

[picnroll]

Why did they draft a small SG for a back-up point guard position? That's a transformation very, very few players make. If you want to try it, don't waste a first round pick on it. That's what the second round is for.

Because natural a title contending team should expect to fill any postion of need immediately with a 26th pick in the draft. Any fool knows that. Or maybe it's any fool thinks that.

[2centsworth]

Because natural a title contending team should expect to fill any postion of need immediately with a 26th pick in the draft. Any fool knows that. Or maybe it's any fool thinks that.

spurs need to focus on just adding young talent regardless of position. George Hill could still be that talent, who knows.

[SenorSpur]

There is absolutely no way to say there were better players than hill because the jury is still out on him. My only beef with the pick is it seemed liked he could have been picked up with one of our 2nd round picks. I was probably wrong about that, so lets give the kid a fair chance.

Agreed.

I admit that I was hopeful that Batum would've been the Spurs selection. @ #26. When he wasn't available, I assumed the Spurs would've picked either Chalmers, CDR, Greene or Arthur.

I also admit that I was shocked by the Hill pick because I'd never heard of him. My gut reaction was that he probably could've been had in the second round. At this point, we'll never know. After reading up on him, examining his bio, and watching some of his highlights, I certainly understand why the Spurs were high on him.

It's waaaay to early to know what kind of player he will be - and for that matter, any of the players which the Spurs passed on. Time will tell if this was the correct pick. Believe me, there will be plenty of time for a critique of this draft.

For now, I'm content to watch the kid develop - along with the other two 2nd rounders. For the record, Batum hasn't exactly been burning up the SL either. That said, it's not a good idea to get too high or too low regarding summer league performances.

[Killakobe81]

he's raw cut him some slack again the Lakers and others were looking at him end of teh 1st and early 2nd he could be good down the road ...

[2centsworth]

Agreed.

I admit that I was hopeful that Batum would've been the Spurs selection. @ #26. When he wasn't available, I assumed the Spurs would've picked either Chalmers, CDR, Greene or Arthur.

I also admit that I was shocked by the Hill pick because I'd never heard of him. My gut reaction was that he probably could've been had in the second round. At this point, we'll never know. After reading up on him, examining his bio, and watching some of his highlights, I certainly understand why the Spurs were high on him.

It's waaaay to early to know what kind of player he will be - and for that matter, any of the players which the Spurs passed on. Time will tell if this was the correct pick. Believe me, there will be plenty of time for a critique of this draft.

For now, I'm content to watch the kid develop - along with the other two 2nd rouinders.
:tu

[ChumpDumper]

:lol It's a sad day when lakerfan has the most realistic take on a spur draft pick.

[jayc23]

ARe YOU GUYS CLUELESS.... the LAKERS were trying to trade into a first round pick to get him... the CELTICS were honing in on him... and the PACERS WITH OUT ANY SHADOW of a reasonable DOUBT would have picked him at 41 if by any of gods grace shined on them to let him stay in that long... if you think he would have lasted to 46.. your a fool and did no draft homework.... obviously you didn't because you didn't have a fucking clue who he was until the name was called and half the NBA teams did.

[2centsworth]

ARe YOU GUYS CLUELESS.... the LAKERS were trying to trade into a first round pick to get him... the CELTICS were honing in on him... and the PACERS WITH OUT ANY SHADOW of a reasonable DOUBT would have picked him at 41 if by any of gods grace shined on them to let him stay in that long... if you think he would have lasted to 46.. your a fool and did no draft homework.... obviously you didn't because you didn't have a fucking clue who he was until the name was called and half the NBA teams did.

you're obviously drunk or can't read.

[Killakobe81]

Plus give the Spurs FO credit parker, Manu signing bowen ... they have made moves to keep you guys in the title hunt consistently if Mason and hill pan out those are 2 huge pieces in keping you in the top 3 in the West ...that and a healthy Manu and i still respect your team more than any other ...just hate the (some not all) obnoxious spur fans i meet around town here in SA who bash Kobe or the Lakers with ridicuous statement like Kobe sucks or Lakers are lucky ...but you guys do have a 1st class organization.

[2centsworth]

Plus give the Spurs FO credit parker, Manu signing bowen ... they have made moves to keep you guys in the title hunt consistently if Mason and hill pan out those are 2 huge pieces in keping you in the top 3 in the West ...that and a healthy Manu and i still respect your team more than any other ...just hate the (some not all) obnoxious spur fans i meet around town here in SA who bash Kobe or the Lakers with ridicuous statement like Kobe sucks or Lakers are lucky ...but you guys do have a 1st class organization.

Spurs have lost a ton of FO personnel since those days. Pop's been able to coach losing staff, but RC seems to be lost. As far as the Lakers, I hate that team and most of their fans, but I do like Kobe.

[weebo]

Hill has a lot to prove and it will be no news if he flops on his little face. Personally, we made a mistake drafting him so early. Only bias long time Spur fan will ride that coattail and by GOD he will too. There were better players left on the board and being so, Hill gets another load of pressure on his back to perform.

However the jury is still out. He has plenty of time to show me he isn't some scrub from some cupcake bitch school.

...and who are you that he has to PROVE TO YOU anything!?! Seriously, some of you need to get over it. Give the guy a chance to adjust and develop. If some of you are such great talent evaluators, what the hell are you doing posting on a message board? :rolleyes

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs have lost a ton of FO personnel since those days.

Name them.

[Taking it to the Hole]

Expecting a rookie to play like an All-Star in summer league is not only unrealistic, it is dumb. Summer league is so they can learn about the system of a team before they get put in the regular season fire. If people want to be ripping on anyone, they should be looking at Ian. He has had more than enough time to adjust to the league and the Spurs system, so if he isn't dominating summer league scrubs, then he isn't going to help us much in the regular season.

[DMX7]

This guy hasn't proved anything against real competition. If I were to go 0-10 with 5 turnovers a night after going 2-9, then would you really just say I'll be better once I start playing NBA competition? NO! What he did in college doesn't mean jack... playing against rec league caliber players.

George Hill is a simple case of the Spurs trying to find a diamond in the rough when they could have played in smart and taken a more proven and better athlete in Chalmers.


If Spurs hadn't already wasted their first round pick on him, Hill probably wouldn't be making this team.

[ChumpDumper]

If he's not perfect, you give up on him.

Understood.

[Marcus Bryant]

This guy hasn't proved anything against real competition. If I were to go 0-10 with 5 turnovers a night after going 2-9, then would you really just say I'll be better once I start playing NBA competition? NO! What he did in college doesn't mean jack... playing against rec league caliber players.

George Hill is a simple case of the Spurs trying to find a diamond in the rough when they could have played in smart and taken a more proven and better athlete in Chalmers.


If Spurs hadn't already wasted their first round pick on him, Hill probably wouldn't be making this team.


eh, you're wrong.

[oligarchy]

This guy hasn't proved anything against real competition. If I were to go 0-10 with 5 turnovers a night after going 2-9, then would you really just say I'll be better once I start playing NBA competition? NO! What he did in college doesn't mean jack... playing against rec league caliber players.

George Hill is a simple case of the Spurs trying to find a diamond in the rough when they could have played in smart and taken a more proven and better athlete in Chalmers.


If Spurs hadn't already wasted their first round pick on him, Hill probably wouldn't be making this team.

Because Hill is huge bust and Chalmers is NBA-proven.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs fans bitch about everything. If the Spurs go with older, experienced vets in the supporting cast, then the lack of young talent is a major issue, one which must be accompanied by daily rounds of bitching.

If the Spurs bring in young talent, then daily rounds of bitching will be devoted to the matter of the young talent not playing like older, experienced vets.

And then of course we have the 20/20 hindsight internets GMs.

[DMX7]

Because Hill is huge bust and Chalmers is NBA-proven.

"Because Hill is huge bust"

Yes.

"and Chalmers is NBA-proven."

I said more proven. Winning a Division I National Championship on a team with just one first round pick is just one of many facts that makes him more proven.



And then of course we have the 20/20 hindsight internets GMs.

WHAT?! More than one person has said that this pick was a stretch and to go with someone else the second it was made... Not using hindsight.

[Marcus Bryant]

WHAQHTHT?!!

I was speaking in general. Specifically, regarding Hill, Spurs fans are being their premature bitchy selves.

[oligarchy]

"Because Hill is huge bust"
Yes.

Wow. What a huge proclamation to make after 2 summer league games. His shot is off, but apparently his elbow isn't quite right. He has shown he can get the rim. He may also be having a hard time finishing, but he is at least drawing fouls. He shows he is an adequate defender and above average rebounder for his position.

He is also trying to transition from SG to PG, so I think it's going to take more than two games to develop or even the whole summer league.

[DPG21920]

The one thing I love about Hill so far, is that he seems to be even keel. He has that quiet confidence and drive factor. We will see.

[jayc23]

ummm Hilll turned down Florida who won 2 national championships after that... and should have been an All-American in High school was leading scorer in the nation

[tav1]

Hill is getting killed by more than just a few on here: in today's chat David Thorpe said that only Joe Alexander was having a worse summer league, draft express described his play as "decent at best" and TrueHoop awarded him with the single worst performance of the SL, so far, for yesterday's stinker.

I think it's all overblown. Hill looks pretty good to me, and should be a rotation guy in time. His inability to finish around the rim is my only major concern. Whether or not he was the correct selection (Greene, Arthur, Chalmers and CDR) at 26 is something we won't know for awhile. But he's definately gonna stick in the NBA.

[jayc23]

This guy hasn't proved anything against real competition. If I were to go 0-10 with 5 turnovers a night after going 2-9, then would you really just say I'll be better once I start playing NBA competition? NO! What he did in college doesn't mean jack... playing against rec league caliber players.

George Hill is a simple case of the Spurs trying to find a diamond in the rough when they could have played in smart and taken a more proven and better athlete in Chalmers.


If Spurs hadn't already wasted their first round pick on him, Hill probably wouldn't be making this team.

YOU STUPID, ILLITERATE TRICK , Hill has shredded lottery picks in camps and in AAU back in high school.. he put himself on the map at pre-draft camp... WHAT DID THEY DO AT PRE DRAFT CAMP? SCRIM... WHAT DO THEY DO IN SUMMER LEAGUE... SCRIM... IF YOU THINK THE ONLY COMPETITION HILL HAS EVER FACED IS IUPUI... you really are the most ignorant POS on the planet.. do a little research if you wanna be a E-GM talent evaluater

[SenorSpur]

Why did they draft a small SG for a back-up point guard position? That's a transformation very, very few players make. If you want to try it, don't waste a first round pick on it. That's what the second round is for.

It is a fact that converting a college-level SG to a PG is indeed a risky proposition. Devin Harris is an example that readily comes to mind and he's faring well - though he struggled his first couple of seasons.

While it does take time for most, this kid Hill, seemingly has the right attitude and aptitude to get it done. On top of that, Hill will have the benefit of an established, structured offense, good coaching and great players around him.

[Solid D]

http://i14.ebayimg.com/03/c/05/a8/e3/d4_7.JPG

[The Franchise]

YOU STUPID, ILLITERATE TRICK , Hill has shredded lottery picks in camps and in AAU back in high school.. he put himself on the map at pre-draft camp... WHAT DID THEY DO AT PRE DRAFT CAMP? SCRIM... WHAT DO THEY DO IN SUMMER LEAGUE... SCRIM... IF YOU THINK THE ONLY COMPETITION HILL HAS EVER FACED IS IUPUI... you really are the most ignorant fuck on the planet.. do a little research if you wanna be a E-GM talent evaluater:wow

[hater]

Hill is on the cover or NBA.com right now. any thoughts sequ? :lol

[tlongII]

YOU STUPID, ILLITERATE TRICK , Hill has shredded lottery picks in camps and in AAU back in high school.. he put himself on the map at pre-draft camp... WHAT DID THEY DO AT PRE DRAFT CAMP? SCRIM... WHAT DO THEY DO IN SUMMER LEAGUE... SCRIM... IF YOU THINK THE ONLY COMPETITION HILL HAS EVER FACED IS IUPUI... you really are the most ignorant POS on the planet.. do a little research if you wanna be a E-GM talent evaluater

Actually they do very little scrimmaging at pre-draft camp. It's mostly drills.

[spurman20]

Hill is getting killed by more than just a few on here: in today's chat David Thorpe said that only Joe Alexander was having a worse summer league, draft express described his play as "decent at best" and TrueHoop awarded him with the single worst performance of the SL, so far, for yesterday's stinker.

I think it's all overblown. Hill looks pretty good to me, and should be a rotation guy in time. His inability to finish around the rim is my only major concern. Whether or not he was the correct selection (Greene, Arthur, Chalmers and CDR) at 26 is something we won't know for awhile. But he's definately gonna stick in the NBA.

Lets hope he is a quick study, the hardest thing to do is trans for a college SG to Pg in pros. He is not looking for his shot unless he is left wide open and is tryn to force things to prove he can be a PG.

Given time I think he will be Ok, I think he comes out tonight and lights it up. Be his D has been very good, Im sure that was a major consideration in drafting him. He could be that seals guy we have lacked.

[VaSpursFan]

Actually they do very little scrimmaging at pre-draft camp. It's mostly drills.

they scrimmage too. that's how players drive their stock up. george's stock went up because he had solid scrimmages.

[oligarchy]

Actually they do very little scrimmaging at pre-draft camp. It's mostly drills.

Oh, they don't?

2008 NBA PRE-DRAFT CAMP SCHEDULE

Tuesday, May 27: 6:00 PM Drills

Wednesday, May 28: 9:00 AM Drills, 11:00 AM Games, 5:00 PM Games, 6:30 PM Games

Thursday, May 29: 9:00 AM Drills, 11:00 AM Games, 5:00 PM Games, 6:30 PM Games

Friday, May 30: 9:15 AM Games, 11:15 AM Games, 1:15 PM Games

[Ocotillo]

Folks, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's give the kid a break here.

If the coaching staff sees enough in this kid to exude patience and give him some leeway, then we fans should do the same. It's only his second summer league game. The kid is not going to become Tony Parker over a matter of a few months.


I agree but was laughing to myself thinking about what if Coach Bud actually had been quoted as saying:

"This guy has bust written all over him. What was Pop thinking? Is he out of his friggin' mind? Damn if we had someone in the front office with half of Sequ's ability to evaluate talent we'd be winning in the even years too."

[jimo2305]

smh.. and we coulda had chalmers..

[Marco]

Chalmers is so good they didn't make him a first round pick.

[The Franchise]

Lets hope he is a quick study, the hardest thing to do is trans for a college SG to Pg in pros. He is not looking for his shot unless he is left wide open and is tryn to force things to prove he can be a PG.

Given time I think he will be Ok, I think he comes out tonight and lights it up. Be his D has been very good, Im sure that was a major consideration in drafting him. He could be that seals guy we have lacked.

Couldn't have been put any better. The kid is making a transition to the most difficult position to learn in basketball, and taking the lumps he is supposed to take in order to learn, and get better.

[jacobdrj]

It's been used since at least the 3rd Century AD. Although the popularity of certain names rises and ebbs over time, the Social Security Administration statistics show that in the US, George continues to be a standard name (Top 150 or so).

As people born since 1980 might say, you just inflicted yourself with self-pwnage.

http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/

Popularity of a Name
July 16, 2008
Background information

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George 147
Joe 403
Joel 123
Joey 542
Jorge 128
Jose 35

Popularity of the male name George
Year of birth - Rank
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It ebbs over time. Yet, I have no contemporaries (nobody in my classes, no people from my neighborhood my age) with that name. I am aware of its historical significance, but notice how it has been falling so steadily...
I just don't hear that name on the under-25 crowd much, not until this post...

[honestfool84]

sequspur, you really are one son of a bitch.



what an asshole.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/08/olymQual/men/stat/fe_stat_playLead.asp?competitioncode=&currentpagetodisplay=&eventid=4508&fixeddate=&langid=&langlc=en&lid_34499_cp=&season=&roundID=4508&StatisticsPosition=ALL&StatisticsSection=AS&StatisticsRoundID=ALL


Don't worry one day soon he will save Spurs.

[objective]

lol

KBP is my favorite poster!

[The Franchise]

The Greek T-mac will put the Spurs on his back. Hey that rhymes!!!!:lol

[DMX7]

At least George Hill is rebounding the ball nicely. Of course there should be a few "extra" opportunities when you're shooting 8% from the field.

George Hill:
http://media1.youshare.com/uploads/Guest/d0026285760a9adb.jpg?1240780744

[MarHill]

It is a fact that converting a college-level SG to a PG is indeed a risky proposition. Devin Harris is an example that readily comes to mind and he's faring well - though he struggled his first couple of seasons.

While it does take time for most, this kid Hill, seemingly has the right attitude and aptitude to get it done. On top of that, Hill will have the benefit of an established, structured offense, good coaching and great players around him.

Some common sense in the Spurs Talk forum!

There is hope....I was beginning to think that irrational Spurs fans were taking over!!

Thanks SenorSpur!!:flag:

[benefactor]

Some common sense in the Spurs Talk forum!

There is hope....I was beginning to think that irrational Spurs fans were taking over!!

Thanks SenorSpur!!:flag:
This trick is that you actually have to possess the ability to process information in a objective, logical manner before your fingers start moving up and down on the keyboard. Not all are capable and we should feel sorry for them and show tolerance as we do for all mentally handicapped people.

[John_C]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA.071608.1C_BKN_spurs_story.en.451f2e3.html

“Coming from a mid-major (college), and not really playing a lot of point guard, it’s going to be a learning experience,” Hill said. “My job in summer league was to come here and feel the vibe of the point guard position and learn from my mistakes.”

There were lessons aplenty in Tuesday’s game, which was choppy for both teams, start to finish.

“The toughest part is just when to pass and when to score, because I was mostly a scorer in college,” he said. “Sometimes I try to get into the defense, rather than let the game come to me. It’s going to be a learning point, and I’m ready to step up and take that challenge.”


Hill is playing out of his comfort zone, and is trying to address his weaknesses through the summer league. He is trying to make the roster of the Spurs through a position that he has not been really known to be quite exceptional at. For a scorer to give up what he does best in order just to fill up the needs of a team, speaks well of the team mentality of the person.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA.071608.1C_BKN_spurs_story.en.451f2e3.html

“Coming from a mid-major (college), and not really playing a lot of point guard, it’s going to be a learning experience,” Hill said. “My job in summer league was to come here and feel the vibe of the point guard position and learn from my mistakes.”

There were lessons aplenty in Tuesday’s game, which was choppy for both teams, start to finish.

“The toughest part is just when to pass and when to score, because I was mostly a scorer in college,” he said. “Sometimes I try to get into the defense, rather than let the game come to me. It’s going to be a learning point, and I’m ready to step up and take that challenge.”


Hill is playing out of his comfort zone, and is trying to address his weaknesses through the summer league. He is trying to make the roster of the Spurs through a position that he has not been really known to be quite exceptional at. For a scorer to give up what he does best in order just to fill up the needs of a team, speaks well of the team mentality of the person.


Wait a minute!!! We drafted a 6'2" two-guard with the 26th pick of the first round?!! Sonofabiscuit.


George who?



What the......











Where'd I park my car? What day is this?

[John_C]

Wait a minute!!! We drafted a 6'2" two-guard with the 26th pick of the first round?!! Sonofabiscuit.


George who?



What the......











Where'd I park my car? What day is this?

Lol, if you've had your car for years already, and you still get lost finding it, then what more for Hill who is playing a position he is not used to. Understand that we have prejudged Hill already with the statistics and early reports about him, and fail to understand that what he achieved in College is basically because of the SG position he is comfortable with.

Now, if Pop asks him to play SG and then he fails, then we maybe wrong to expect much from him. But if you continue asking the guy to work on his PG capabilities, and does a decent job at it, then he is not a failure by any standard.

[Sway]

ARe YOU GUYS CLUELESS.... the LAKERS were trying to trade into a first round pick to get him... the CELTICS were honing in on him... and the PACERS WITH OUT ANY SHADOW of a reasonable DOUBT would have picked him at 41 if by any of gods grace shined on them to let him stay in that long... if you think he would have lasted to 46.. your a fool and did no draft homework.... obviously you didn't because you didn't have a fucking clue who he was until the name was called and half the NBA teams did.

Link?

[Spurtacus]

I have to admit my confidence in him after three games has diminished. We'll see about tomorrow. But remember that this guy is playing 30+ minutes a game consecutively.

[underdawg]

Link?

Don't have the link, but the Boston Globe had an article that stated that the Celtics had contacted Hill and said they would take him at #30 - according to Hill's agent. Take that for what it's worth.

[MarHill]

[QUOTE=SequSpur;2666659]He sucks.

0 for 10 in summer league? somebody needs to own up to this pick and admit they were wrong.... shit, I'm sure hill is a great guy... but got damn... :lol this is about winning, filling needs, the spurs fucked up....
[SIZE="7"][COLOR="Red"]

SequSpur,


In the day of prosperity be happy
But in the day of adversity consider
God has made the one as well as the other
So that man will not discover
anything that will be after him
{Ecclesiastes 7:14 NASB}

It is an old biblical truth....and one of my favorite scriptures!

It is perfect for extreme Spurs fans!!:lol

[SPURSGOAT]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA.071608.1C_BKN_spurs_story.en.451f2e3.html

“Coming from a mid-major (college), and not really playing a lot of point guard, it’s going to be a learning experience,” Hill said. “My job in summer league was to come here and feel the vibe of the point guard position and learn from my mistakes.”

There were lessons aplenty in Tuesday’s game, which was choppy for both teams, start to finish.

“The toughest part is just when to pass and when to score, because I was mostly a scorer in college,” he said. “Sometimes I try to get into the defense, rather than let the game come to me. It’s going to be a learning point, and I’m ready to step up and take that challenge.”


Hill is playing out of his comfort zone, and is trying to address his weaknesses through the summer league. He is trying to make the roster of the Spurs through a position that he has not been really known to be quite exceptional at. For a scorer to give up what he does best in order just to fill up the needs of a team, speaks well of the team mentality of the person.

:tu

[tlongII]

Oh, they don't?

2008 NBA PRE-DRAFT CAMP SCHEDULE

Tuesday, May 27: 6:00 PM Drills

Wednesday, May 28: 9:00 AM Drills, 11:00 AM Games, 5:00 PM Games, 6:30 PM Games

Thursday, May 29: 9:00 AM Drills, 11:00 AM Games, 5:00 PM Games, 6:30 PM Games

Friday, May 30: 9:15 AM Games, 11:15 AM Games, 1:15 PM Games


So I lied. Big deal.

[AFBlue]

One thing is for sure...it's going to be a longer road to backup PG than the Spurs FO and most posters on here envisioned. I wouldn't be surprised to see him spend most, if not all of this year with the Toros.

Having said that, I don't think you can surmise anything more than "he's not ready yet" from his first two games. You do have to wonder if he's ever going to get it, but there's no way you close the door on him after 2 summer league games.

[Gino2882]

This makes the pick even more puzzling right now. Hill played little PG and really doesn't have great decision making. The give him time shit only goes so far. He played in a shit conference and played the 2 guard, and the Spurs want him to backup Tony Parker and play meaningful minutes. It is a lot to ask.

I just don't see this as a great fit.

[AFBlue]

It is a fact that converting a college-level SG to a PG is indeed a risky proposition. Devin Harris is an example that readily comes to mind and he's faring well - though he struggled his first couple of seasons.

While it does take time for most, this kid Hill, seemingly has the right attitude and aptitude to get it done. On top of that, Hill will have the benefit of an established, structured offense, good coaching and great players around him.

Well said on his attitude and aptitude, but I'm honestly not sure the ability is there.

I like the Devin Harris comparison very much...good defensive ability, length, and speed. Harris is probably his ceiling from a scoring perspective, but you can tell that the Spurs are trying push him beyond the scoring aspect by focusing his game as a distributor/playmaker. If he can work in that direction, he might actually have more success than Devin.

Still, it's a long way from Hill to Harris at this point and Spurs fans are going to need to be patient....and they've got plenty of time with his multi-year guaranteed contract a virtual certainty.

It will be interesting to see him develop, and I really hope he can make the successful transition....though I still remain skeptical.

[Gino2882]

The three games I have seen of Hill shows me ABSOLUTELY nothing close to Devin Harris. Harris has tremendous speed and out of this world quickness. Hill is having trouble getting by summer leaguers right now.

Devin Harris is on Tony's level in terms of end to end speed and quickness.

[Tmac&Luther]

I never heard about George Hill before the Spurs grabbed him.

[SenorSpur]

The three games I have seen of Hill shows me ABSOLUTELY nothing close to Devin Harris. Harris has tremendous speed and out of this world quickness. Hill is having trouble getting by summer leaguers right now.

Devin Harris is on Tony's level in terms of end to end speed and quickness.

You missed the point. It wasn't a comparison to Devin Harris. I merely brought up the example to illustrate how the conversion process takes time. If I recall correctly, Devin was in his 3rd or 4th year before he began to show promise. Of course, his stunted development can be attributed to the maniacal coaching stranglehold of Avery.

[SequSpur]

this guy is 2 for 26 now? WTF?

[knee-knee-3]

It does look bleak, but let's wait till midseason to start jumping off bridges.

[Indazone]

I don't understand why the Spurs are forcefeeding him into the PG position when he's natural at the 2 guard. Why not play him at the 2 guard for the next 2-3 games and see what he can really do.

[Budkin]

You can't really argue the point. The guy is not good. Period.

[knee-knee-3]

I don't understand why the Spurs are forcefeeding him into the PG position when he's natural at the 2 guard. Why not play him at the 2 guard for the next 2-3 games and see what he can really do.

Because the FO's long term plans conflict with your short term paranoia.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs fans never learn.

[Gino2882]

I don't understand why the Spurs are forcefeeding him into the PG position when he's natural at the 2 guard. Why not play him at the 2 guard for the next 2-3 games and see what he can really do.

Because he was drafted with the hopes of being the backup PG. I think he will get time there throughout the season, but he needs to work on his PG skills during summer league and preseason. If he plays a role this season with the Spurs it will be as the backup PG.

[I. Hustle]

As long as Hill defends he will end up as TP's backup. If he can't get that down he won't get any minutes. F the summer league I want to see these guys in preseason action. Play some real comp.

[SequSpur]

Spurs fans never learn.

nice take... you want to expand? you want to declare george hill...mr. 2 for 100 a good player?

[knee-knee-3]

nice take... you want to expand? you want to declare george hill...mr. 2 for 100 a good player?

Fair enough, but let's turn it around. I challenge you to comb through these summer league games and find some steals and busts. And so you know, I'm hoping for Hill's success (despite his obviously dismal performance thus far), but I'm also gonna reserve final judgement until AT LEAST next year's All-Star break.

[DPG21920]

The last LV SL game is tomorrow right? When does the RMR start?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

If Kirk Heinrich can become an NBA point guard, then Hill has a chance. Hopefully he can slough off this funk and start hooking up Ian and James with easy monster jams :smokin

[DPG21920]

You really want a 6'2 shooting guard?

[AC#21_TD ERA]

Fukin hell, we should of drafted Mario Chalmers instead. There's talk he might be the starting PG for Miami that's how good he is. It looks like we have to deal with the fukin http://blogs.cars.com/photos/uncategorized/epagarbagetruk.jpg Vaughn again. :bang

THE SPURS FRONT OFFICE IS A FUKIN JOKE AND ITS TIME THEY GET HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THERE FUKIN ACTIONS!

[venitian navigator]

I think the project is to have four players listed as guards all capable to play the point...and to defend. Parker, Manu, Mason and Hill are, obviously, the four I'm talking about...all good (o.k., not exceptional) ball handlers and decent or more than decent defenders.

[KidCongo]

true that

[SenorSpur]

You really want a 6'2 shooting guard?

Exactly. What would be the point in that? He's too small to play that position.

[benefactor]

In the spirit of the title of the thread....

"All who don't actually read and consider all the information about a player before speaking are a waste of time."

[AFBlue]

You missed the point. It wasn't a comparison to Devin Harris. I merely brought up the example to illustrate how the conversion process takes time. If I recall correctly, Devin was in his 3rd or 4th year before he began to show promise. Of course, his stunted development can be attributed to the maniacal coaching stranglehold of Avery.

In fairness, I expanded on your Harris comparison so it was probably more a criticism of my take.

[MarHill]

You can't really argue the point. The guy is not good. Period.

How can you say he's not good? After 2 summer league games?


When did the summer league become so important? This is the time where the guy gets the chance to play PG and learn the Spurs system.

I could see if Hill had already played one regular season in the NBA before the spoiled Spurs fans started judging him.

Oh no!!!! Not spoiled Spurs fans!! Let's give him two summer league games and write he's a bust. He sucks! The Spurs shouldn't have drafted him!

Absolutely Amazing!!

Also, for those who think he is going to the Toros next season. That ain't happening!!! Pop has pretty much given him the back PG position. Even if Vaughn gets more minutes early in the regular season.

Can we give this guy a chance....when he plays in the regular season with the team (Tim, Tony, & Manu) and against regular NBA competition.

I know that might be too much to ask from spoiled Spurs fans. But one can always hope!!

Yikes!!

[johnnyblues]

If Jacque Vaughn made it to the NBA, I'm sure he will.:lol

[VaSpursFan]

If Jacque Vaughn made it to the NBA, I'm sure he will.:lol

no shit!!! and we all know that JV couldn't shoot when he came into the league.

we should all reserve judgment until Hill goes through training camp. i think he'll be fine in the spurs system because pop believes in him. playing in the summer league which is akin to a glorified playground game doesn't really tell anyone much. but i can see that he is working on the things that Pop wants him to work on. he's thinking too much about what he needs to do that he struggles with the things he's good at like scoring. he'll come around. once he figures it all out, i see him being a decent player. hell, his rebounding alone is impressive!

it's mind boggling that many Spurs fans are putting the gun to the temple over someone who is going to be a back-up PG...WTF??? he's still an upgrade over JV. The kid has solid handles and he gets after it on D. and once he rediscovers his knack for scoring, he will be fine.

[tlongII]

You really want a 6'2 shooting guard?

You really want a 6'2" shooting guard to be your point guard?

[Marcus Bryant]

You really want a 6'2" shooting guard to be your point guard?

It's worked out rather well the last seven seasons.

[tlongII]

no shit!!! and we all know that JV couldn't shoot when he came into the league.

we should all reserve judgment until Hill goes through training camp. i think he'll be fine in the spurs system because pop believes in him. playing in the summer league which is akin to a glorified playground game doesn't really tell anyone much. but i can see that he is working on the things that Pop wants him to work on. he's thinking too much about what he needs to do that he struggles with the things he's good at like scoring. he'll come around. once he figures it all out, i see him being a decent player. hell, his rebounding alone is impressive!

it's mind boggling that many Spurs fans are putting the gun to the temple over someone who is going to be a back-up PG...WTF??? he's still an upgrade over JV. The kid has solid handles and he gets after it on D. and once he rediscovers his knack for scoring, he will be fine.


Newsflash! : Jacque Vaughn still can't shoot! Although Vaughn sucks he at least played against top-notch talent at KU.

[tlongII]

It's worked out rather well the last seven seasons.

Tony Parker is a point guard. No question about that. He's a scoring point guard, but a point guard nonetheless.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Fukin hell, we should of drafted Mario Chalmers instead. There's talk he might be the starting PG for Miami that's how good he is. It looks like we have to deal with the fukin http://blogs.cars.com/photos/uncategorized/epagarbagetruk.jpg Vaughn again. :bang

THE SPURS FRONT OFFICE IS A FUKIN JOKE AND ITS TIME THEY GET HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THERE FUKIN ACTIONS!

Oh look who came back. Have fun slitting your wrists over yesterday's game?

[TheMadHatter]

Tony Parker is not a SG. He's a scoring point guard and with pretty decent playmaking skills.

[Budkin]

How can you say he's not good? After 2 summer league games?


When did the summer league become so important? This is the time where the guy gets the chance to play PG and learn the Spurs system.

I could see if Hill had already played one regular season in the NBA before the spoiled Spurs fans started judging him.

Oh no!!!! Not spoiled Spurs fans!! Let's give him two summer league games and write he's a bust. He sucks! The Spurs shouldn't have drafted him!

Absolutely Amazing!!

Also, for those who think he is going to the Toros next season. That ain't happening!!! Pop has pretty much given him the back PG position. Even if Vaughn gets more minutes early in the regular season.

Can we give this guy a chance....when he plays in the regular season with the team (Tim, Tony, & Manu) and against regular NBA competition.

I know that might be too much to ask from spoiled Spurs fans. But one can always hope!!

Yikes!!

He sucked hard in a summer league game. Summer league does not even come close to the intensity and talent level involved in an actual NBA game. It's not a good sign and can't really be spun to look like it either. Unless he was injured or sick or something and we didn't know.

[VaSpursFan]

Newsflash! : Jacque Vaughn still can't shoot! Although Vaughn sucks he at least played against top-notch talent at KU.

the point you're trying to make is?????

[VaSpursFan]

He sucked hard in a summer league game. Summer league does not even come close to the intensity and talent level involved in an actual NBA game. It's not a good sign and can't really be spun to look like it either. Unless he was injured or sick or something and we didn't know.

summer league is nothing but an nba pick-up game. the true test of a players talent is when they are put into a system. there really isn't much structure to the summer league games offensively so it's hard to guage a player's performance, especially as they transition into a new role. let the kid get through training camp and see what he does in the pre-season. even though he has confidence issues with his shot now, he's doing other things like rebounding and getting after it on d, and trying to get to the free throw line. that's refreshing to see because he understands his capabilities and limitations at this point in time.

[remingtonbo2001]

Everything is there for Hill except his shot.

Seriously, RELAX.

Hill will start knocking down his shot come training camp.

[hater]

If Hill does not find his shot he will not bring much more than what Vaughn already brings. So it will be hard for him to become backup PG.

I am ok with Vaughn, he is not the reason why we lost in the playoffs. If I remember correctly Vaughn made most of his open shots in the playoffs.

[MarHill]

He sucked hard in a summer league game. Summer league does not even come close to the intensity and talent level involved in an actual NBA game. It's not a good sign and can't really be spun to look like it either. Unless he was injured or sick or something and we didn't know.



So you have already decided on what George Hill's career is going to be?

Boy, I would like you to predict what's going to happen in the stock market tomorrow? Can you tell me what is the winning lottery ticket is going to be?

He's a rookie and he is going to struggle (what a shock) and he will have growing pains even in the regular season.

This guy....has only played three summer league games and you (along with other spoiled Spurs fans) have already judged what his career is going to be.

That's my problem....with spoiled Spurs fans!

At least have some perspective....Yikes!!!!

[spurman20]

Worked for Ben Gordon, Iverson, Terry, Barbosa, M Ellis, BOOBIE GIBSON....Not ideal but it can work. He will be a pg who may give min at SG at times.

[Gino2882]

If Hill does not find his shot he will not bring much more than what Vaughn already brings. So it will be hard for him to become backup PG.

I am ok with Vaughn, he is not the reason why we lost in the playoffs. If I remember correctly Vaughn made most of his open shots in the playoffs.

Exactly. He has to be able to bring a consistent shot. Especially from 3 point range. If he can bring a 3pt shot to the PG spot consistently he will be a threat. Remember Tony rarely shoots the three (even when open) and Hill should be able to do that.

[Indazone]

at this rate he'll be in the NBDL before you can say V-SPAN :D

[Spurtacus]

Hill is learning to play the point. He's done a good job setting plays and finding the open shooter. Needs to work on getting out of traps though. His shot will come back to him. He seems like a very confident person. Why isn't anyone talking about his defense? The Spurs big 3 have done a great job on the defensive side of the ball.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Why isn't anyone talking about his defense? The Spurs big 3 have done a great job on the defensive side of the ball.


Maybe because they can hit a shot.




Perhaps Pop sees that Hill might be able to run the offense when Tim and Manu are in the game to either run the offense through the post or let Manu be Manu.

If Hill can get the ball past midcourt and feed it in to Timmy, and then get back on D perhaps that's enough for a backup point these days in the Spurs system.

[ChumpDumper]

He has hit shots before.

He can do it again.

He's ahead of where I thought he would be when it comes to running an offense.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I think he'll be fine. Summer league is summer league. It's like watching someone play pickup and trying to determine how good they'd play on a real team. No ultimate conclusions can be drawn from SL games.

[Gino2882]

He has hit shots before.

He can do it again.

He's ahead of where I thought he would be when it comes to running an offense.

I don't see him to far ahead of expectations. He is struggling with the trap and has made some questionable passes. He has however got the offense going from the set half court.

[jayc23]

gino give the guy a break on the trap.. he just needs a little guidance and practice when it comes to getting trapped by NBA quick players, hes done very well in the past and usually he doesn't even get in the position to be trapped because hes usually already to the basket or drained a 3 by the time they could think of trapping... hes busy setting up a offense then getting trapped one big thing hes not used to because of his combo guard experience, and the league he played in... he is handicapped by the league he played in .. but that doesn't change the fact hes an NBA player and probably would have been drafted a year or 2 after going to Florida if he had went that route.. he made his decision for honorable reasons.. and hes done well for himself through hard work... being a close friend of his I want him to make it more than anybody .. but he does have to be more productive shooting the ball. which I've never seen him go this cold.. hes a natural scorer though Summit or ACC, he would have put up big numbers

[ChumpDumper]

He only had TO trouble in one game. I'm not that worried.

[mexicanjunior]

He has hit shots before.

He can do it again.



This sounds like the rationale people were using to support Finley keeping his spot in the rotation. If the guy is missing shots against lower level competition, I don't see how him averaging 20 in the Summit League is an indication that he will improve going forward.

[jayc23]

This sounds like the rationale people were using to support Finley keeping his spot in the rotation. If the guy is missing shots against lower level competition, I don't see how him averaging 20 in the Summit League is an indication that he will improve going forward.

ummm hill was noted in college for being one of the most unselfish person on the court.. he took over games at will.. he hit shots at will... i dont give a shit if its summit league or Summer league... constested jump shots are contested jump shots.. Hill faced tougher perimeter Defense at times in college than he has in summer league... hes playing his role.. hes cold... hes an extremely talented shooter... and if you had a fucking clue .. being a talented shooter is being a talented shooter... have you ever hit 9 three pointers in a quarter double teamed by a state championship caliber team in Indiana...and dont give me its "High School" how many NBA players have gone to the NBA out of High school... how many of them averaged 37 points a game being double and triple teamed with the most difficult schedule in the State of Indiana...

how many of them scored 27 points in a quarter with Mcdonalds all americans guarding them... Hes PLAYING out of his comfort zone... HE IS NOT trying to score... and he is also not shooting well.. which HAS happened to the best of the best.. when hill arrives.. you will know when hill arrives... and you will know why some little known guard from IUPUI was drafted in the first round by one of the greatest athletic organizations in history.. until then.. DMX, Segu, gino, go stuff yourself.. and figure out what it takes to become a rounded basketball player besides your NBA FAN bubble of scoring 25 ppg makes the player.. Lock down defense and teamwork wins :lobt: , Hill does both..

you fail

[Sway]

ummm hill was noted in college for being one of the most unselfish person on the court.. he took over games at will.. he hit shots at will... i dont give a shit if its summit league or Summer league... constested jump shots are contested jump shots.. Hill faced tougher perimeter Defense at times in college than he has in summer league... hes playing his role.. hes cold... hes an extremely talented shooter... and if you had a fucking clue .. being a talented shooter is being a talented shooter... have you ever hit 9 three pointers in a quarter double teamed by a state championship caliber team in Indiana...and dont give me its "High School" how many NBA players have gone to the NBA out of High school... how many of them averaged 37 points a game being double and triple teamed with the most difficult schedule in the State of Indiana...

how many of them scored 27 points in a quarter with Mcdonalds all americans guarding them... Hes PLAYING out of his comfort zone... HE IS NOT trying to score... and he is also not shooting well.. which HAS happened to the best of the best.. when hill arrives.. you will know when hill arrives... and you will know why some little known guard from IUPUI was drafted in the first round by one of the greatest athletic organizations in history.. until then.. DMX, Segu, gino, go stuff yourself.. and figure out what it takes to become a rounded basketball player besides your NBA FAN bubble of scoring 25 ppg makes the player.. Lock down defense and teamwork wins :lobt: , Hill does both..

you fail


Dude try to be objective. Hill is sucking it up and that is something to be concerned about. Does that mean he is a bust, no not at all, but it does raise some doubt on his ability to play at the next level.

[jayc23]

im not happy at all the way george has been shooting.. it sucks balls... but shit happens.. I know hes going to get his shot back together.. I mainly just wish he had been able to put spurs fans minds to rest on day 1.. I'm sure he wished his shots went down so segu wouldnt kill himself.. but hes going to adjust and become the anti Jaq V.

[Spurtacus]

Sequ and others should be happy...Hill isn't wasting their time tonight.

[ChumpDumper]

This sounds like the rationale people were using to support Finley keeping his spot in the rotation. If the guy is missing shots against lower level competition, I don't see how him averaging 20 in the Summit League is an indication that he will improve going forward.You don't see a lot of things.

[timvp]

For comparison sake, Rajon Rondo averaged 9.3 points, 4.0 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 3.3 turnovers on 40% shooting last year in summer league. And that was his second time playing in Vegas. Outside of the shooting percentage, Hill has much better numbers.

Step away from the ledge.

[SequSpur]

ummm hill was noted in college for being one of the most unselfish person on the court.. he took over games at will.. he hit shots at will... i dont give a shit if its summit league or Summer league... constested jump shots are contested jump shots.. Hill faced tougher perimeter Defense at times in college than he has in summer league... hes playing his role.. hes cold... hes an extremely talented shooter... and if you had a fucking clue .. being a talented shooter is being a talented shooter... have you ever hit 9 three pointers in a quarter double teamed by a state championship caliber team in Indiana...and dont give me its "High School" how many NBA players have gone to the NBA out of High school... how many of them averaged 37 points a game being double and triple teamed with the most difficult schedule in the State of Indiana...

how many of them scored 27 points in a quarter with Mcdonalds all americans guarding them... Hes PLAYING out of his comfort zone... HE IS NOT trying to score... and he is also not shooting well.. which HAS happened to the best of the best.. when hill arrives.. you will know when hill arrives... and you will know why some little known guard from IUPUI was drafted in the first round by one of the greatest athletic organizations in history.. until then.. DMX, Segu, gino, go stuff yourself.. and figure out what it takes to become a rounded basketball player besides your NBA FAN bubble of scoring 25 ppg makes the player.. Lock down defense and teamwork wins :lobt: , Hill does both..

you fail

watch a got damn game....

:loser

[duncan228]

Step away from the ledge.

Can Slomo put this on the top of the board? :lol

[Gino2882]

Sequ and others should be happy...Hill isn't wasting their time tonight.

I think he should of played. Especially with the slumping.

[anakha]

Step away from the ledge.

Nah, watching people completely overreact and flood the board with either praise or criticism is infinitely more fun.

Keeps this offseason from being boring as hell, at the very least. :lol

[mexicanjunior]

You don't see a lot of things.

Sorry, I'll be sure to wear your silver and black colored glasses next time. They seem to put a great spin on anyone carrying a Spurs jersey, no matter how poorly they are playing...

[ChumpDumper]

His shooting sucked.

So what?

Three summer league games <> NBA career

If you want to write off his entire basketball future right now, you don't need to say anything else. I'll keep watching.

[mexicanjunior]

ummm hill was noted in college for being one of the most unselfish person on the court.. he took over games at will.. he hit shots at will... i dont give a shit if its summit league or Summer league... constested jump shots are contested jump shots.. Hill faced tougher perimeter Defense at times in college than he has in summer league... hes playing his role.. hes cold... hes an extremely talented shooter... and if you had a fucking clue .. being a talented shooter is being a talented shooter... have you ever hit 9 three pointers in a quarter double teamed by a state championship caliber team in Indiana...and dont give me its "High School" how many NBA players have gone to the NBA out of High school... how many of them averaged 37 points a game being double and triple teamed with the most difficult schedule in the State of Indiana...

how many of them scored 27 points in a quarter with Mcdonalds all americans guarding them... Hes PLAYING out of his comfort zone... HE IS NOT trying to score... and he is also not shooting well.. which HAS happened to the best of the best.. when hill arrives.. you will know when hill arrives... and you will know why some little known guard from IUPUI was drafted in the first round by one of the greatest athletic organizations in history.. until then.. DMX, Segu, gino, go stuff yourself.. and figure out what it takes to become a rounded basketball player besides your NBA FAN bubble of scoring 25 ppg makes the player.. Lock down defense and teamwork wins :lobt: , Hill does both..

you fail

Your homerism is comical, I'm sure you are waiting for Greg Sutton and Cory Alexander to make a successful comebacks in the NBA. I mean, after all, they were drafted by the Spurs, that is automatic success... :rolleyes

[mexicanjunior]

His shooting sucked.

So what?

Three summer league games <> NBA career

All I said was your Hill rationale sounded like the case for Finley staying in the rotation and it seemed like a weak argument for him to, out of nowhere, get his shooting touch back. I didn't come in this thread bashing Hill...so why so defensive?

[underdawg]

im not happy at all the way george has been shooting.. it sucks balls... but shit happens.. I know hes going to get his shot back together.. I mainly just wish he had been able to put spurs fans minds to rest on day 1.. I'm sure he wished his shots went down so segu wouldnt kill himself.. but hes going to adjust and become the anti Jaq V.

All he needed was a dunk in one of the games and his 0 for 16 would be less of a problem. That's what we're really looking for somebody that can dunk -who cares if he can control the offense, play good defense and fit a need that the Spurs have. It's all about the dunks and stats too. He was 0-6 in game 3 - how pathetic. I don't care if he only shot one open shot, was fouled on 3 of the shots and double teamed on the other two. 0 for 6 - the guys a bust. Sure he looked a lot better bringing up the ball, avoiding traps, had just two turnovers (at least one wasn't his fault,) and looked pretty comfortable against the p-n-r, but 0 for 6? This guy will never make it - we should have drafted Rose or Beasley

[ChumpDumper]

All I said was your Hill rationale sounded like the case for Finley staying in the rotation and it seemed like a weak argument for him to, out of nowhere, get his shooting touch back. I didn't come in this thread bashing Hill...so why so defensive?So why are you comparing him to Finley?

Is Hill in his late thirties with no legs under him?

Please explain fully why Hill is just like Finley.

[tlongII]

For comparison sake, Rajon Rondo averaged 9.3 points, 4.0 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 3.3 turnovers on 40% shooting last year in summer league. And that was his second time playing in Vegas. Outside of the shooting percentage, Hill has much better numbers.

Step away from the ledge.

LOL at your "outside the shooting percentage" comment! :lmao

Vegas Summer League is a guard's game! If you're a guard and you don't score here you basically suck!

[mexicanjunior]

So why are you comparing him to Finley?

Is Hill in his late thirties with no legs under him?

Please explain fully why Hill is just like Finley.

I was comparing your qoute of "he hit shots before...he will hit them again" to what other posters used as a rationale to keep feeding Finley minutes, eventhough he wasn't showing any signs of recovering from a dreadful shooting slump. I never said they were the same player although, I would say 10+ years of being an all star caliber NBA SG would buy him more leeway than 4 years of decent stats at a small college. I really don't understand how some of you people can be so blinded by the name on the jersey that you cant even admit that a player is struggling to the point of questioning if he can contribute to, what should be, a championship caliber team. I'm fully aware this is Summer League and the games do not count but can posters be allowed to voice an opinion of dissatisfaction with his play without being hammered for it? Jeez...

[jayc23]

if you wanna tell the whole story and not part of it sure... i must say your opinion has alot more basis than sagu-tard... everybody on the boards understands Hill over penetrated, got himself in trouble, forced some shots on drives.. missed a couple open jumpers.. the point is hes capable of doing the exact opposite and hes showed to have the tools to play and contribute at the highest level as a back up... and it could take all summer for him to polish alot of areas.. it wont take him all summer to finish on drives or hit jump shots.. Hill was overwhelmed with the jump in level of play and responsiblity and expectation layed on him as a SG going to PG... I believe it waylayed his scoring mentality.. hes just plain cold and he has to break out and relax and take control of the game.. even if it means being a little selfish here and there.. sometimes passing too much can be problematic.. he shouldn't shoot that bad.. the % are embarrassing .. but he will get on track.. hes a disciplined shooter.. and a talented shooter.. you may haven't seen it yet.. but you will.

[anakha]

I'm fully aware this is Summer League and the games do not count but can posters be allowed to voice an opinion of dissatisfaction with his play without being hammered for it? Jeez...

Criticizing the guy's play so far is fine.

Projecting how the guy will play for the rest of the season based on the (scant) evidence so far would be as silly as all those ESPN 'analysts' who predicted that the Suns would beat the Spurs these past playoffs.

[mystargtr34]

LOL at your "outside the shooting percentage" comment! :lmao

Vegas Summer League is a guard's game! If you're a guard and you don't score here you basically suck!

So Rajon Rondo sucks

Maybe the Celts should sign Marcus Banks again to replace him.

[jayc23]

Segu labeling Hill a bust in the first quarter of the first summer league game ... the guy who made this thread .. the guy is a complete waste of breath... he was dropped on his head as a child... reguardless of if Hills play... STFU... nobody wants to hear your multiple threads with your childish, insulting, immature, trash analysis... im actually in a sick and twisted way happy for Hill's poor shooting because. when it ends. im going to quote your bullshit back you .. every time you make a post.. every time you make an opinion you will have no credibility , because as soon as the spurs didn't pick chalmers you started throwing a fit... then when people said wait this could be a good pick.. you agreed.. then hill missed a shot and you started throwing a fit again... why dont you STFU and watch the game of basketball.. oh wait you dont watch the games.. you just look at the box score...

[jayc23]

So Rajon Rondo sucks

Maybe the Celts should sign Marcus Banks again to replace him.


the boston globe said they were going to pick Hill to replace him ROFL..

[Blackjack]

For comparison sake, Rajon Rondo averaged 9.3 points, 4.0 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 3.3 turnovers on 40% shooting last year in summer league. And that was his second time playing in Vegas. Outside of the shooting percentage, Hill has much better numbers.

Step away from the ledge.

:tu

I've yet to see Hill play so I checked out his shooting %'s from college, and liked what I saw.

All 4 years he shot above 50% from the field and finished his senior year shooting the three at 45%. Granted, his competition was less than stellar, but to be a 6'2" guard and the focal point of every teams defensive schemes? I'm guessing the kid can shoot.

His inability to finish around the basket could have alot to do with some indecision. Transitioning to point probably has him second guessing whether he should be driving to dish, or driving to score. Finding that balance will be key to his success. Whether he can find that balance is another matter.

I'm sure Pop's goals for Hill in summer league were to have him get some experience running the point and focus on his defense. He's having to process alot of information (both off. and def.) which probably prevents him from playing naturally/instinctively. For now I'm going to choose to believe that's the reason for his shooting woes.

I know it's crazy Spurs Talk, but it might me wise to reserve judgment on Hill untill.... I don't know, maybe he's played in more than 3 or 4 summer league games? :lol You've at least got to like the kids knack for getting to the free-throw line, his rebounding, and (from what I hear) defense. It's not all doom and gloom.

Hopefully as he gets more comfortable with the team and terminology, we'll begin to see the player the Spurs saw on draft night.:toast

[rascal]

Hill will be good enough as a backup, just what the spurs drafted him for. His shooting will come around.

[anakha]

Hill will be good enough as a backup, just what the spurs drafted him for. His shooting will come around.

:wow

[TJastal]

If by chance Hill cannot hack it in the NBA, anyone know the status of Carlos Arroyo? I know he is the odd man out in Orlando since they signed Anthony Johnson, perhaps he may be available for the LLE? He is a good ballhandling PG that can drive and dish from what I've seen of him. Would be a solid backup to TP

[rlballin1]

It's hilarious how spurs fans lose sight of what the SPURS are all about. We are firm believers that strong defense brings about good offense.

We drafted George Hill to be a back up point guard to Tony Parker; not to come in and drop 17+ a game. He already plays better defense than JVaughn, and he seems to be able to run an offense. His Rebounding is also better than JVaugn.

Sooooooooo obviously the Spurs have gotten what they were looking for already out of George Hill. A solid point guard who can create better offense through his defense.

The scoring that he did in college is just an added bonus. He has a strong chance of turning his shooting percentage around (due to his solid mechanics and past history) and in the future he may be more of an offensive threat.

But to call him a waste of time and not believe he can better the team is foolish. Just because it is offseason doesnt mean we should forget what makes the spurs the spurs. Too many of our fans want to see Denver like offensive production when things like that has not gotten us championships. Be a fuckin adult, appreciate the game of basketball how the SPURS play it. You say this is your team, act like it is

[rascal]

It's hilarious how spurs fans lose sight of what the SPURS are all about. We are firm believers that strong defense brings about good offense.

We drafted George Hill to be a back up point guard to Tony Parker; not to come in and drop 17+ a game. He already plays better defense than JVaughn, and he seems to be able to run an offense. His Rebounding is also better than JVaugn.

Sooooooooo obviously the Spurs have gotten what they were looking for already out of George Hill. A solid point guard who can create better offense through his defense.

The scoring that he did in college is just an added bonus. He has a strong chance of turning his shooting percentage around (due to his solid mechanics and past history) and in the future he may be more of an offensive threat.

But to call him a waste of time and not believe he can better the team is foolish. Just because it is offseason doesnt mean we should forget what makes the spurs the spurs. Too many of our fans want to see Denver like offensive production when things like that has not gotten us championships. Be a fuckin adult, appreciate the game of basketball how the SPURS play it. You say this is your team, act like it is



Strong defense does not bring good offense. The spurs look too much on the defensive end and neglect the offensive end, thats why the team is non athletic and boring offensively and often can't hold leads in big playoff games

They rely too much on guys standing around on the perimeter shooting bricks.
They need to add some players with offensive game who can break down defenses by creating their own shots and players who can score easy points with high % shots (dunks and layups) in transition.

[rlballin1]

Strong defense does not bring good offense. The spurs look too much on the defensive end and neglect the offensive end, thats why the team is non athletic and boring offensively and often can't hold leads in big playoff games

They rely too much on guys standing around on the perimeter shooting bricks.
They need to add some players with offensive game who can break down defenses by creating their own shots and players who can score easy points with high % shots (dunks and layups) in transition.

I can honestly say, if this is your opinion of how the Spurs should play then you should def disappear until Pop goes away. What you just described is the Phoenix Suns. It seems to me if you want that kind of basketball you should not like the SPurs.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything but if you honestly feel that the spurs should focus on that kind of game, then is seems you like the Spurs just because they are a winning team. We have a slasher in Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker.

Relying on someone to knock down an open jumper seems pretty reasonable to me. Pop believed in it and we got 4 rings. Now because we lose in the WCF we should change the philosophy which brought us to those four rings? Negative

And also a good defense always equals a better offense. Just based off the fact that you are going to Get more chances to score without them scoring. that formula equals victories in the POST SEASON

The formula you are describing equals regular season wins
(i.e Pistons, Suns)

[TheMadHatter]

The Spurs don't really need more defense. They held the Lakers to 10-15 pts below their scoring average, which is pretty damn good. Their problem was offensively, way too many scoring droughts and a lack of guys who can come in and knock down open shots.

[ceperez]

It's hilarious how spurs fans lose sight of what the SPURS are all about. We are firm believers that strong defense brings about good offense.

We drafted George Hill to be a back up point guard to Tony Parker; not to come in and drop 17+ a game. He already plays better defense than JVaughn, and he seems to be able to run an offense. His Rebounding is also better than JVaugn.


That's a great conclusion. If all we expect out of George Hill is a better Jacque Vaughn then it appears we have our man! He without a smidgen of a doubt has better defense (by virtue of his 6'9" wingspan) and seems to have a quickness to the rebounds. Which coincidentally, these two skills are a weakness of Tony Parker.

We haven't yet seen his offense, but without a doubt, it must be superior to Vaughn. What that means is that he can make the open shot... or rather make the open 3 point shot. Vaughn could never make the 3point shot with any sense of consistency.

Question then about Mason, who is he an upgrade of?

[rlballin1]

That's a great conclusion. If all we expect out of George Hill is a better Jacque Vaughn then it appears we have our man! He without a smidgen of a doubt has better defense (by virtue of his 6'9" wingspan) and seems to have a quickness to the rebounds. Which coincidentally, these two skills are a weakness of Tony Parker.

We haven't yet seen his offense, but without a doubt, it must be superior to Vaughn. What that means is that he can make the open shot... or rather make the open 3 point shot. Vaughn could never make the 3point shot with any sense of consistency.

Question then about Mason, who is he an upgrade of?

Mason would be an upgrade of Finley and Barry of course. Here you have a much more athletic 2/1 guard. Unlike MAson's predecessors, Mason can put the ball on the floor and be a legitimate threat. Mason is def an upgrade at the 2 than our previous alternatives

So so far, in the draft we have upgraded our 1 and 2 position, and suprisingly we may have found a 3 guy in James Gist.

From what I see we have had a small and very productive off season. We have virtually got better in every position. The only bad thing was Splitter.

We need 2 remember that we held huge leads on the Lakers during our games. And we let them come back and beat us. This means our offense AND DEFENSE needs work.

Defense may be boring, but it's wat made us who we are!! Spurs, Celtics, Pistons won with their defense.......think people

[K-State Spur]

Strong defense does not bring good offense. The spurs look too much on the defensive end and neglect the offensive end, thats why the team is non athletic and boring offensively and often can't hold leads in big playoff games

They rely too much on guys standing around on the perimeter shooting bricks.
They need to add some players with offensive game who can break down defenses by creating their own shots and players who can score easy points with high % shots (dunks and layups) in transition.

which is different from any of the championship teams in what way?

i'd like to add another offensive weapon as much as anybody, but the truth is that the Spurs have always only had a couple of guys willing to drive the lane and surrounded them with jumpshooters. An excellent defensive team can cover up for the other deficiencies.

With few exceptions, the Spurs weren't winning meaningful games 120-108, they were doing so 86-78. And they weren't only scoring 86 points because they were such an offensive juggernaught.

[ceperez]

Mason would be an upgrade of Finley and Barry of course. Here you have a much more athletic 2/1 guard. Unlike MAson's predecessors, Mason can put the ball on the floor and be a legitimate threat. Mason is def an upgrade at the 2 than our previous alternatives

So so far, in the draft we have upgraded our 1 and 2 position, and suprisingly we may have found a 3 guy in James Gist.


What we lost when Barry left was someone who could *really* stretch the floor. Barry would take his shots with at least two feet away from the 3pt line. I doubt Mason can do this with consistency.

Mason also doesn't replace Finley at the 3 spot. That's an empty hole and hope that Gist can occupy that space.

The upgrade I seen in Mason over both Finley and Barry is that he can hit the shot off the dribble and hopefully has more youth to agressively take it to the hole. Finley and Barry the entire season never took it to the hole in a half court set. Both of them would stand around the perimeter the entire time, and if the defender was able to chase them when they got the ball, they had no other option but to pass it. We definitely need players who will aggresively take the shot or drive the ball.

[ducks]

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[SequSpur]

Dude... Hill can dribble, he can defend, he can do alot of things.....

Hill can't play against upper tier talent. Period. It shows. He is a product from a shitty college in a weak ass competitive division. In the first game, he did decent... but in crunch time...the no namers took over the game and he got out of the way.

Not a first rounder in my opinion... He would've been fine around the 40th pick, but not 26th....:lmao

[benefactor]

Hill can't play against upper tier talent. Period. It shows.
Really? What upper tier talent has he played against? Are you looking into your crystal ball 2 months into the season and giving us this information ahead of time?

Your statements are premature...and your continued lack of objectivity makes you look unintelligent. Do yourself a favor and at least attempt to be reasonable.

[ducks]

hill would have been picked up by the 35 pick
if spurs did not select him



boston won this year because of their d not because of their o
d has always won titles latetly in the nba not the o rascal the sun lover

[K-State Spur]

Dude... Hill can dribble, he can defend, he can do alot of things.....

Hill can't play against upper tier talent.

In a very small sample, Hill performed as well against upper echelon collegiate opponents as Chalmers or CDR did.

[jayc23]

Dude... Hill can dribble, he can defend, he can do alot of things.....

Hill can't play against upper tier talent. Period. It shows. He is a product from a shitty college in a weak ass competitive division. In the first game, he did decent... but in crunch time...the no namers took over the game and he got out of the way.

Not a first rounder in my opinion... He would've been fine around the 40th pick, but not 26th....:lmao


Sir, are you saying you know more about basketball talent than Celtics, Lakers, and SA. if you make this statement.. that is what your saying...

[mardigan]

Sir, are you saying you know more about basketball talent than Celtics, Lakers, and SA. if you make this statement.. that is what your saying...

None of his statments are based on facts or observations. Its all comes from his midget rage.

[anakha]

None of his statments are based on facts or observations. Its all comes from his midget rage.

rage much?

[SequSpur]

Really? What upper tier talent has he played against? Are you looking into your crystal ball 2 months into the season and giving us this information ahead of time?

Your statements are premature...and your continued lack of objectivity makes you look unintelligent. Do yourself a favor and at least attempt to be reasonable.

Objectivity = 2 for 29 = Sequspur

Subjectivity = a ray of sunshine and a hope that Hill can pick up the NBA game and actually contribute = the rest of you Poplickers.

Now who is objective?

Blow me.

[T Park]

I Still have no clue whats going on. I'm just a height envious prick who's pontificating wildly.

[SequSpur]

Poplicking Poster Child to the Rescue.

[jayc23]

Poplicking Poster Child to the Rescue.

you really are the biggest degenerate on the boards aren't you ... please go cheer for the suns.

[SequSpur]

you really are the biggest degenerate on the boards aren't you ... please go cheer for the suns.

:lol

[Spurtacus]

This thread continues to waste our time.

[The Franchise]

This thread continues to waste our time.

But everyone keeps coming back!!!:p:

[jayc23]

George Hill is a rookie from the Summit League playing less than the best in Division I NCAA. What did you expect? He's good but he's NBDL good right now. He needs to adjust to the speed and size of NBA players.

Hi... he torched your ass .. thanks

[Hemotivo]

:reading

[SequSpur]

lmao....

:lmao

[usckk]

With all of the usual forum suspects knocking Hill, he's destined to be a vital contributor next season.

+1 lol

[Tully365]

I'm sure George Hill is a nice person, but he just isn't an NBA player. The Spurs had an opportunity to draft someone that could play, but they screwed up. And Popovich got promoted to President. :rolleyes

[jayc23]

so true

[AusSpursFan]

I must admit I had a few question marks early on, but I am now loving watching this kid take it to the haters. Bring on the ROY top 10

[SequSpur]

I must admit I had a few question marks early on, but I am now loving watching this kid take it to the haters. Bring on the ROY top 10

exactly.

[myhc]

lmao....

:lmao

indeed you degenerate little punk.

[DespЏrado]

bump.

[Cry Havoc]

bump.

Are you really attempting to bump a thread? You? Really? :lol

[DespЏrado]

Are you really attempting to bump a thread? You? Really? :lol

Yup I am and read who on page 2 or 3 of this thread predicted great things for this kid.

[FalleNxWiZarDx]

geez...

SequSpur (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=38) is really annoying and stupid