can we win with this roster?

[mrspurs]

# PLAYER POS HT WT FROM YRS
16 Matt Bonner F 6-10 240 Florida 3
12 Bruce Bowen F-G 6-7 200 Cal St Fullerton 11
21 Tim Duncan F-C 6-11 260 Wake Forest 10
20 Manu Ginobili G 6-6 210 Argentina 5
James Gist F 6-9 235 Maryland R
Malik Hairston G 6-6 220 Oregon R
George Hill G 6-2 180 IUPUI R
28 Ian Mahinmi C 6-11 230 France R
7 Fabricio Oberto C 6-10 245 Argentina 2?
9 Tony Parker G 6-2 180 France 6
5 Ime Udoka G/F 6-5 220 Portland State 3
11 Jacque Vaughn G 6-1 190 Kansas 10 still early i know, but if the season starts today is this the team we want going into next season? and is this the team that will beat out the rest of the west top tiers? sure are alot of R's

[urunobili]

get rid of Bonner for a black slasher and we may..

[Kori Ellis]

No, but it's July. Who knows if half of those "R's" will even be on the Spurs roster in October. The second round picks aren't even signed. The Spurs will probably pick up two more FA's (or sign Finley and pick up one). Trades could be coming. So, I'll wait til October to care how they stack up against the West.

[Indazone]

# PLAYER POS HT WT FROM YRS
16 Matt Bonner F 6-10 240 Florida 3
12 Bruce Bowen F-G 6-7 200 Cal St Fullerton 11
21 Tim Duncan F-C 6-11 260 Wake Forest 10
20 Manu Ginobili G 6-6 210 Argentina 5
James Gist F 6-9 235 Maryland R
Malik Hairston G 6-6 220 Oregon R
George Hill G 6-2 180 IUPUI R
28 Ian Mahinmi C 6-11 230 France R
7 Fabricio Oberto C 6-10 245 Argentina 2?
9 Tony Parker G 6-2 180 France 6
5 Ime Udoka G/F 6-5 220 Portland State 3
11 Jacque Vaughn G 6-1 190 Kansas 10 still early i know, but if the season starts today is this the team we want going into next season? and is this the team that will beat out the rest of the west top tiers? sure are alot of R's

I count 12 guys.. there is room for 3 more on a roster to make 15. Course 3 will be inactive. I think that there are too many rookies on this squad. Some of these Rookies are going to be NBDL. If the Spurs bring in some more veteran help and make a few trades, yeah they can be competitive. I just don't think this lineup gives much depth. Need to trade Bonner because if he's just sitting on the bench he's not doing much good.

Not sure about Hairston and Hill. Mahinmi and Gist can probably play.

[spursjustice]

Assuming no trades occur during the season, whether we win depends on the performance of our rookies. At very least we will be competitive. Any team with TD, TP, Manu and Bruce will be.

[manufor3]

# PLAYER POS HT WT FROM YRS
16 Matt Bonner F 6-10 240 Florida 3
12 Bruce Bowen F-G 6-7 200 Cal St Fullerton 11
21 Tim Duncan F-C 6-11 260 Wake Forest 10
20 Manu Ginobili G 6-6 210 Argentina 5
James Gist F 6-9 235 Maryland R
Malik Hairston G 6-6 220 Oregon R
George Hill G 6-2 180 IUPUI R
28 Ian Mahinmi C 6-11 230 France 1
7 Fabricio Oberto C 6-10 245 Argentina 2?
9 Tony Parker G 6-2 180 France 6
5 Ime Udoka G/F 6-5 220 Portland State 3
11 Jacque Vaughn G 6-1 190 Kansas 10 still early i know, but if the season starts today is this the team we want going into next season? and is this the team that will beat out the rest of the west top tiers? sure are alot of R's

Well no, but Mahimini isn't a rookie, so i fixed it for you

[hater]

where is Kurt Thomas. add KT and yes, we can win

[MavDynasty]

Get a shooter then yes

[Mr. Body]

They'll be at least in the middle of the pack. They could make a run, definitely.

Those rookies make the team, I think. There's little else out there, it seems, and not much money to get more talent. We'll see.

[purist]

where's mason?

[mrspurs]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs i didnt make this roster(ian=R)...this is how they showed it on the front page

[mrspurs]

no joke where is mason? so much for drinking my coffee this monan and not paying attention...i swear you cant even believe your own reliable source.... express news...with mason on the roster it does look a little better. ill make sure and have two cups of coffee before i post something i assumed was correct......(mrspurs stands corrected)

[tlongII]

# PLAYER POS HT WT FROM YRS
16 Matt Bonner F 6-10 240 Florida 3
12 Bruce Bowen F-G 6-7 200 Cal St Fullerton 11
21 Tim Duncan F-C 6-11 260 Wake Forest 10
20 Manu Ginobili G 6-6 210 Argentina 5
James Gist F 6-9 235 Maryland R
Malik Hairston G 6-6 220 Oregon R
George Hill G 6-2 180 IUPUI R
28 Ian Mahinmi C 6-11 230 France R
7 Fabricio Oberto C 6-10 245 Argentina 2?
9 Tony Parker G 6-2 180 France 6
5 Ime Udoka G/F 6-5 220 Portland State 3
11 Jacque Vaughn G 6-1 190 Kansas 10 still early i know, but if the season starts today is this the team we want going into next season? and is this the team that will beat out the rest of the west top tiers? sure are alot of R's


I see about 46-48 wins there.

[Man of Steel]

With the roster above--we'd make the play-offs but probably would not get very far.

Hopefully the roster is far from being finalized. I think Hill and Gist will make the team. I think we will re-sign KT.

Who knows--we made it to the WCF essentially with only a Big Two since Manu was hurt. If the Big Three stay healthy through the playoffs, we might have a shot assuming we re-sign KT

[lefty]

We will win with this roster.

Because we win every 2 seasons

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

If everyone manages to stay in perfect health, maybe. For the first time in a while depth is a serious concern for the Spurs.

[Anti.Hero]

Out in 2nd round this year.

[rascal]

No the spurs will not win with the current roster.

[2centsworth]

you left off Roger Mason

Tony Parker/JV/GHill
RogerMason/Manu/Finley
Bruce/Udoka/Gist
Tim/Bonner
KThomas/Fabrico/Ian

that roster when healthy can win it all. Problem it's unlikely they will remain healthy.

[T Park]

I don't see why not.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

No. Expecially if we don't bring back Kurt Thomas. Bring in Thomas, sign another shooter/slasher like a Maurice Evans type player, and re-sign Finley (or if we don't than sign another FA that shoot like a Giricek), than there's probably a 50/50 chance we win against NO to make it to the WCF. However, I don't see us beating LA. They're going to be almost unstoppable with that team. We actually have a really good team and any other year a true contender, but LA's size is going to bother us tremendously, and I see no realistic chance of us, or anyone, beating them next year. We probably will have a 20/80 chance of beating them.

[Spurtacus]

We were a Manu ankle away from the Finals last season.

I think this will be the roster. 15th spot is still open for a free agent. We lose Stoudamire, Barry, and Horry. They are replaced by Hill, Mason, and Mahinmi. Add Gist too. Did I miss anyone?

PG-Parker, Hill, Vaughn
SG-Ginobili, Mason, Finley
SF-Bowen, Udoka, Gist
PF-Duncan, Mahinmi, Bonner
C-Thomas, Oberto

[mrspurs]

well in a matter of hours....... look what happens.......you can now count kurt thomas on that roster...i had a feeling somewhere soon the FO was gonna have to make a quick decision...imo, ians SL play is what prompted the speed of getting kurt back in uniform, still feel we need another big....

[ArgSpursFan.]

we need a 3 pts shooter and another PF for the playoffs,otherwise we're done
we'll be fine for the reg Season though.
I predict the spurs will get the 5th seed in the west.

[silk]

the spurs have very good chances to win it all next year even with this roster, it is well balanced and improved from last year


Spurs are still an elite team, I don't quite understand all the doom and gloom of some fans

[mexicanjunior]

I think this roster has a winning record and competes for the division title...I don't think it will get past the 2nd round though. We are 1 athletic scorer away IMO...

[Indazone]

That roster needs one more big man that is better than Oberto and...you still need a shooter.

[Rummpd]

Its 2008-2009 Book the Riverwalk Parade oh ye of little faith.

[degenerate_gambler]

No, but it's July. Who knows if half of those "R's" will even be on the Spurs roster in October.



there's no way anymore than 2 and probably only just one guy with an "R" after their name will be on the 15 man roster come Oct.

[Texas_Ranger]

No!

[kobyz]

Anthony Marlow is very impressive in summer league, spurs should sign him!!

[DROB4EVER]

If Hill and Ian play well this year, yes we can. Still think the spurs need to add a young big man via trade or a wing with some springs who can draw fouls.

[ducks]

If Hill and Ian play well this year, yes we can. Still think the spurs need to add a young big man via trade or a wing with some springs who can draw fouls.

sounds like you would want jr smith

[DROB4EVER]

sounds like you would want jr smith

Im not a Smith guy. If he could be controlled and mature a bit yes, to me he will end up peaking very young because he doesnt respect the game.

He claims no one has contacted him right after he just bitch slapped some woman and wonders why.

Hope he gets a clue but I doubt he will. I wouldnt mind Ariza from L.A. they will not use him much most likely and will not be able to afford to keep him next year so I wouldnt mind trading for him or picking him up next summer.

I just think we need a bit more youth on the wings and dont like the fact we are holding out spending or making deals....drafting players...for 2010 when there is no telling if we will even be able to sign anyone of the top 5 guys.

I hope Pops has something up his sleves this offseason but to me it looks like we are gonna sit tight and be happy with Mason.

[underdawg]

What about Gomes?

[DROB4EVER]

What about Gomes?

I like him but word is he wants 5yr MLE or he will play out his restricted status and test the waters next year so he wound be a spur without a trade.

I think in a year or two this guy is a 17ppg 8rpg guy.

[itzsoweezee]

Have we addressed the biggest concern coming into the offseason - a guy that can score buckets and create his own shot? Nope. Did we lose our best outside shooter? Yes. The only logical conclusion --> the Spurs are worse off than they were last year. Fifth seed possibly, maybe sixth. I wouldn't be surprised at a first round exit. Lakers, Rockets, Hornets are definitely better than the Spurs. The Suns and possibly the Mavs also have a good shot at beating the Spurs in a playoff series.

It was fun while it lasted. Imagine if the Spurs had a decent owner. They'd probably have 6 championships by now, going on 7.

[DROB4EVER]

Spurs improved this summer by adding Mason, Ian and Hill. Barry and Fin play no D and Fins shot is here today gone tomorrow. Mason is a good shooter and I believe hill will be a better shooter than what we have seen in summer leauge. His legs are gone and the first thing to go when you lose your lift is your shot.

Im sure Fin will be brought back after the market is set for him.

Im not sure the spurs are done adding yet, I can see a trade happening were we pick up another big or a wing.

Rockets and Hornets are not better by a long shot. The west will adjust to the Lakers and Hornets and they wont sneak up on anyone like they did last year. Its harder to win when everyone is gunning for you.

The Spur will play to win Home Court this year, no more resting players.

They will make a serious run at the title as long as not major injury occures.

[NewJerSpur]

The Lakers won't need to sneak up on anyone next season.

[DROB4EVER]

Lakers are being overplayed. They were exposed in the finals. They had a fairly easy time in the west bracket because they match up well with Denver and Uth who play no D and caught the spur tired and Manu with a bad foot.

Next year moving guys around is gonna take away from Gasols strong points as well as Odoms. If Bynum plays a lot, they will not be scoring 108ppg.

They Lakers and Spurs are close and Home Court as of now will be the main factor I believe in who comes out of the West. Hornets match up well with LA so I dont put them far behind. This is why the Lakers are doing all they can to get Artest. They know they got lucky last year. Phil even admits it.

I see the spurs winning 62-64games LA 60 NO 59 Houst 57 Uth 57 Phx 55 and in a shocker portland with the 7th seed 51.

[NewJerSpur]

I repeat: The Lakers won't need to sneak up on anyone next season.

[4everSpurFan]

During the season maybe but in the playoffs...NO!!!

Spurs need another penetrator who can help out TP and MG... Also we are small in the big positions and like the past season we will get murdered in the paint and rebounds

[wisnub]

I hope so...but I think our chance is not that great. Im afraid our Big 3 will got tired in playoffs if we got tough schedules like last season which I assume its going to be repeated. I really hope we got favorable schedule,coz we dont get extra upgrades considering Bonnes leave us..hopefully Mason,Udoka,Mahinmi step up. Somehow I dont think Hill is ready.

Even Clippers now is a legitimate contender: BD, Camby, Mobley, Kaman, Al Thorton..I heard they got good guard too at 7th pick...DAMNNN. Hornets adding Posey.... damn

[Spurtacus]

I see the spurs winning 62-64games LA 60 NO 59 Houst 57 Uth 57 Phx 55 and in a shocker portland with the 7th seed 51.

Maybe if we had Maggette and Splitter. With the current projected roster we will not win 60 games nor finish #1 in the West. I'm being realistic.

[Dex]

# PLAYER POS HT WT FROM YRS
16 Matt Bonner F 6-10 240 Florida 3
12 Bruce Bowen F-G 6-7 200 Cal St Fullerton 11
21 Tim Duncan F-C 6-11 260 Wake Forest 10
20 Manu Ginobili G 6-6 210 Argentina 5
James Gist F 6-9 235 Maryland R
Malik Hairston G 6-6 220 Oregon R
George Hill G 6-2 180 IUPUI R
28 Ian Mahinmi C 6-11 230 France R
7 Fabricio Oberto C 6-10 245 Argentina 2?
9 Tony Parker G 6-2 180 France 6
5 Ime Udoka G/F 6-5 220 Portland State 3
11 Jacque Vaughn G 6-1 190 Kansas 10 still early i know, but if the season starts today is this the team we want going into next season? and is this the team that will beat out the rest of the west top tiers? sure are alot of R's

I think we'll be OK.

[Sissiborgo]

Yeah it might change a bit

[DROB4EVER]

Maybe if we had Maggette and Splitter. With the current projected roster we will not win 60 games nor finish #1 in the West. I'm being realistic.

Have faith, are your forgetting that the spurs rest players in the reg season which leads to more loses than we should have. This year we will be deeper and Pops has said they will not look to rest players over getting wins.

If we stay away from injury we will win 60 games I have no doubt.

Everyone forgets how close we were with an old team not bench, no young legs and an injured manu. We are deeper now and younger. We should be a better rebounding team with Ian and Hill as well as Thomas now onboard for his first full year.

We only missed the one seed by a game this year, when we lost to the lakers while resting Manu for the playoffs.

[DROB4EVER]

I hope so...but I think our chance is not that great. Im afraid our Big 3 will got tired in playoffs if we got tough schedules like last season which I assume its going to be repeated. I really hope we got favorable schedule,coz we dont get extra upgrades considering Bonnes leave us..hopefully Mason,Udoka,Mahinmi step up. Somehow I dont think Hill is ready.

Even Clippers now is a legitimate contender: BD, Camby, Mobley, Kaman, Al Thorton..I heard they got good guard too at 7th pick...DAMNNN. Hornets adding Posey.... damn

They may make the playoffs but not a title contender

[sa_butta]

Im not completely sold on Vaughn or Hill as the backup PG, I still feel like we need a more solid Veteran capable of hitting the outside shot. Vaughn showed that when left open he was not able to knock it down consistently and Hill is just unproven. Am I the only one who thinks that Vaughn and Hill are not the answer to that role?? Im not here to start an argument about Hill, but I just think he may need a year or two to be a solid back up. If we are going to make a serious run would you be content with Vaughn or Hill as the back up??

[Tully365]

This team can win, because of defense. Mason is a defensive upgrade over an aging Finley, and Hill will be an upgrade over Barry and Vaughn. A young and springy Gist will help. Tolliver might be an upgrade over Bonner. The Spurs are sticking to their Defense First philosophy. With Mahinmi, Gist, and Hill, they also have the potential to be a better rebounding team.

[DROB4EVER]

Im not completely sold on Vaughn or Hill as the backup PG, I still feel like we need a more solid Veteran capable of hitting the outside shot. Vaughn showed that when left open he was not able to knock it down consistently and Hill is just unproven. Am I the only one who thinks that Vaughn and Hill are not the answer to that role?? Im not here to start an argument about Hill, but I just think he may need a year or two to be a solid back up. If we are going to make a serious run would you be content with Vaughn or Hill as the back up??

That is the good thing about signing Mason, if Hill cant get it done at first Mason will eat up some point mins. Im sure Hill will be Ok so dont worry.

I do think we need a true SF on our roster, one who can get to the basket. I am hoping we trade for one or go after someone like Ricky Davis or Green from summer league.

I think the spurs are gonna make a trade for someone this offseason, might not be a major move but something that will add youth and depth to the bench. Ariza maybe cause I dont think hes gonna get the run in LA anyway.
Or a big man like Williams or Boone from NJ.

[NewJerSpur]

Im not completely sold on Vaughn or Hill as the backup PG, I still feel like we need a more solid Veteran capable of hitting the outside shot. Vaughn showed that when left open he was not able to knock it down consistently and Hill is just unproven. Am I the only one who thinks that Vaughn and Hill are not the answer to that role?? Im not here to start an argument about Hill, but I just think he may need a year or two to be a solid back up. If we are going to make a serious run would you be content with Vaughn or Hill as the back up??

No one truly knows what Hill can do at the NBA level on a consistant basis at this point. Right now it's anyone's guess and there are equal arguments for and against him blossoming into a star....or at least a guy who can run the offense well enough to give Parker and Manu a rest. We'll just have to wait and see. I would hope he would be able to shave major minutes off of Vaughn's PT, as he seems to have the potential to, and prevent the Spurs from having to search for a 3rd PG when the main focus should be SF and up if anything.

[Marcus Bryant]

Oh God. It's all over. I worry about this so much every day.

[Solid D]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/sci_nat_visions_of_science_/img/3.jpg

No sense in getting all up in arms, Spurs fans.

[Tully365]

Im not completely sold on Vaughn or Hill as the backup PG, I still feel like we need a more solid Veteran capable of hitting the outside shot. Vaughn showed that when left open he was not able to knock it down consistently and Hill is just unproven. Am I the only one who thinks that Vaughn and Hill are not the answer to that role?? Im not here to start an argument about Hill, but I just think he may need a year or two to be a solid back up. If we are going to make a serious run would you be content with Vaughn or Hill as the back up??

I think the point guard position is completely set: Parker is entering his prime and capable of playing many minutes if needed. Hill has already shown himself to be a good defender, a good rebounder, and a low TO guy. Vaughn is steady and unspectacular. Mason can play some point. Manu can play some point. The worse case scenario is Hill has early season trouble adjusting and doesn't get many minutes, which could result in something like this:

Hill: 3 mpg at point
Vaughn: 5 mpg
Mason: 4 mpg
Manu: 4 mpg

That still leaves Parker to play only 32 mpg.

[DPG21920]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/sci_nat_visions_of_science_/img/3.jpg

No sense in getting all up in arms, Spurs fans.

Wow, lol

[peskypesky]

Once we pull off that mid-season trade (Bonner for LeBron) we'll be good. Don't worry, people.

[mrspurs]

Im not completely sold on Vaughn or Hill as the backup PG, I still feel like we need a more solid Veteran capable of hitting the outside shot. Vaughn showed that when left open he was not able to knock it down consistently and Hill is just unproven. Am I the only one who thinks that Vaughn and Hill are not the answer to that role?? Im not here to start an argument about Hill, but I just think he may need a year or two to be a solid back up. If we are going to make a serious run would you be content with Vaughn or Hill as the back up??

during the season yes, they might help tony get some rest, but come PO time, vaughn will get benched and so will hill(if he makes the team) manu will be tonys back up again(meaning we live and die in the hands of manu again) and sometimes thats not a good thing.......

[mrspurs]

Oh God. It's all over. I worry about this so much every day.

you shouldnt its not healthy......and it sounds like a habit the spurs learned this past season in the PO's......we are down by 20, time to give up

[spurster]

The previous title years had role players who came up big during the playoffs (e.g., Jaren Jackson, SJax, Kerr, Horry). I just don't see who that would be this time around.

[MavDynasty]

The previous title years had role players who came up big during the playoffs (e.g., Jaren Jackson, SJax, Kerr, Horry). I just don't see who that would be this time around.

damnit kerr 2003 West finals.

[wisnub]

Extremely hard to win with this roster...but we might get lucky or new bloods stepping up....if new guys kick as then we barely need luck. All hail to King James....Gist =P

[wisnub]

Wait..maybe we just sign Fin just in case we need more players as a trade bait combined with pick,Bonner or whoever......or he can just hang around and share his wisdom, whatever that is...

[ChumpDumper]

The previous title years had role players who came up big during the playoffs (e.g., Jaren Jackson, SJax, Kerr, Horry). I just don't see who that would be this time around.Who really predicted Jack and Jaren would come up that big in the playoffs? Even Kerr after his first go-round?

[ceperez]

No. Expecially if we don't bring back Kurt Thomas. Bring in Thomas, sign another shooter/slasher like a Maurice Evans type player, and re-sign Finley (or if we don't than sign another FA that shoot like a Giricek), than there's probably a 50/50 chance we win against NO to make it to the WCF. However, I don't see us beating LA. They're going to be almost unstoppable with that team. We actually have a really good team and any other year a true contender, but LA's size is going to bother us tremendously, and I see no realistic chance of us, or anyone, beating them next year. We probably will have a 20/80 chance of beating them.

Maybe if we steal Vujacic from the Lakers, that would even the chances. They already lost Turiaf, although they may just gain Bynum.

I think our odds are better than 20/80 with the inclusion of a lot of youth, athleticism and length.

Hill - good give both Fisher and Farmar fits on both ends.
Mahinmi - lengthy enough to guard Odom, Gasol or Bynum.
Gist - should plug defensive hole in SF. Will guard likes of Radmanovic,Ariza
Toliver - should be able to guard Radmanovic or Odom
Mason - more offense when Manu isn't around.

[41times]

Man unless the Big 3 have just a tremendous season and stay healthy the whole time, I think the Spurs will be lucky to win more than 50 games.

If the Big 3 don't stay healthy it will be more like 45 games max.

[Flux451]

I can hear cries of babies echoing down the corridor of doubt.

Man, this team is gonna be awesome to watch this year. I like the direction where we are going. We have had a great decade, and remember where the team was before? Lighten up, it could be worse.

[Galileo]

The Spurs have won at least 2/3 of their games every season but one, since Duncan arrived, that's 10 out of 11. They fell just short in 2000, winning 53 of 82.

Any team that can win 2/3 of their regular season games can win the NBA title.