Ron Artest set for deal to Rockets

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Ron Artest set for deal to Rockets


In what had been a quiet offseason, the Rockets are about to make a lot of noise.

In a stunning move designed to push the Rockets from solid playoff team toward legitimate NBA contenders, the Rockets reached agreement Tuesday with the Sacramento Kings to acquire gifted but controversial forward Ron Artest, according to an NBA executive with knowledge of the deal.

The Rockets will give up guard Bobby Jackson, a No. 1 draft pick next season and another player that the individual with knowledge of the trade could not name. Rockets general manager Daryl Morey could not be immediately reached for comment.

Because of contract considerations, the trade will not be announced until Aug. 14, though that would indicate the deal could include Rockets’ first round draft pick Donte’ Greene. Greene is not permitted to be traded until then, one month from when he signed with the Rockets.

There could also be other players involved to make the money match but none that the Rockets would plan to keep. The Rockets will also send the Kings cash in excess of $1 million.

Artest, 28, is considered one of the NBA’s most unpredictable characters and was the central figure in a 2004-05 brawl with fans in Auburn Hills, Mich. He is also considered among the league’s toughest lock-down defenders and sometimes, an unstoppable offensive force.

The 39 points he scored against the Rockets in 2006-07 season are his career high.

A 6-7, 248 pound forward, he had publicly lamented his decision last month not to opt out of the last season of his contract to become a free agent, renewing the Kings’ efforts to move him.

Artest played 40 games for Rockets coach Rick Adelman after he was traded by the Indiana Pacers to the Kings in the 2005-06 season, averaging 16.9 points, 5.2 rebounds and a career-high 4.2 assists. He was also a first-team NBA All-Defensive team selection. He offered to donate his salary if the Kings were willing to retain Adelman after that season.

In nine NBA seasons out of St. John’s, where he was a third-team All-American, Artest has averaged 16 points and 5.1 rebounds. He was the 2003-04 NBA Defensive Player of the Year. He averaged 20.5 points per game last season.

Artest, however, has been unable to stay clear from trouble. He was arrested in March 2007 and charged with domestic abuse and eventually sentenced to 20 days in jail and community service. That sentence was reduced to 10 days in a work release program. He had also been charged with animal neglect, though charges were not filed and Artest has since worked with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals on several campaigns.

In addition to his 73-game suspension after going into the stands in the Nov. 19, 2004 brawl (the longest suspension in NBA history other than for drug policy violations or gambling), he has been suspended for destroying a television camera in New York, for an altercation with then Heat coach Pat Riley in Miami and for numerous flagrant fouls.

Drafted by the Chicago Bulls in 1999, he was traded in 2002 to the Pacers, having some of his best seasons, including his one All Star season in 2003-04. Prior to the fight in 2004, he was suspended for two games for asking for a month off to promote an R&B album by a group on his production label.

After his return to the Pacers the season after the fight, he asked for a trade and was placed on the inactive roster.

Though Artest has been best used as a small forward, Rockets forward Shane Battier is also considered among the league’s best players at defending small forwards and shooting guards. But because Artest can defend players from small guards to power forwards, the Rockets could finish games with Artest and Battier on the court together, either with Tracy McGrady sliding over to point guard or with Artest matching up with power forwards.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5914062.html

[jag]

Was wondering why no threads were up yet.

This is disturbing...the Rockets are now a defensive juggernaut.

The great part about all of this is that I'd say there's still a 80%-95% chance the rockets don't make it out of the first round.

[WildcardManu]

Could this deal be just what the rockets need to finally make it out of the first round other than Yao and Tmac being healthy?

[BruceLeeBowen]

As a laker fan all i can say is: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[kupogrey]

The great part about all of this is that I'd say there's still a 80%-95% chance the rockets don't make it out of the first round.



sucks when your big move is resigning kurt thomas?



morey the wizard strikes again

[spursfan09]

sucks when your big move is resigning kurt thomas?



morey the wizard strikes again

We already have our 3 big names that have already made it out of the first round plenty of times. maybe now with 2 big names and a semi big name in ron artest you should finally get out.

[objective]

Barry's chances for another ring look better now.

[completely deck]

Barry's chances for another ring look better now.

lol you can't be serious

[T Park]

sucks when your big move is resigning kurt thomas?



morey the wizard strikes again

Sucks when your franchise players are more fragile than china.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Sucks when your superstar can't get you out of the first round.


fify.

[kupogrey]

We already have our 3 big names that have already made it out of the first round plenty of times. maybe now with 2 big names and a semi big name in ron artest you should finally get out.



funny that only on spurstalk is that tony parker considered a super talent on the same level as both manu and duncan.

[outmap]

AI for Battier, Alston, and expiring contracts is the rumor making its round for the last few days in Houston and Denver.

Wow!

PG - AI/Head
SG - T-Mac/Barry
SF - Artest/Hayes
PF - Scola/Landry
C - Yao/Mutombo

[fredm]

We already have our 3 big names

Herman Munster, pepe le pugh, and the Fonz?

[T Park]

Barry's chances for another ring look better now.


:lol

Genius :tu

[bostonguy]

Was wondering why no threads were up yet.

This is disturbing...the Rockets are now a defensive juggernaut.

The great part about all of this is that I'd say there's still a 80%-95% chance the rockets don't make it out of the first round.

If they cant stay healthy, that is a legit comment. If they are healthy/hungry and gelled, no way they go out in round 1. Too talented.

[024]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102193

[T Park]

Wow!

PG - AI/Head
SG - T-Mac/Barry
SF - Artest/Hayes
PF - Scola/Landry
C - Yao/Mutombo


AI?

Uh, wanna clue me in on that one sport?

[timvp]

Typical Rocket move. Bring in a fallen star at the end of their rope. It is scary each time the Rockets do this but thankfully it rarely works out.

Alston, TMac, Battier, Artest and Yao is one hell of a team on paper. Barry and Scola off the bench. Possibly Landry. If that group gels and stays healthy ... watch out. Luckily that's a pretty gigantic 'if'.

The west just got a whole lot tougher.

[DROB4EVER]

If thats all they are giving up for Ron why the hell arent we in on a deal like this? Looks like the Rockets are gonna be real tuff next year. Yao, Mac, Scola, Artest, wow, Pops and RC better get off their ass and do something to make us better.

[ShoogarBear]

On the one hand, this makes the Rockets scary, since they're giving up nothing that matters to them.

On the other hand, when Yao and T-Mac get injured again, Ron-Ron is going to be jacking up 25 shots a game.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

But I will say that is garbage to be sending to get a guy like Artest. If true it's disappointing the Spurs couldn't come up with marginally better trash for Artest.

[exstatic]

Wow!

PG - AI/Head
SG - T-Mac/Barry
SF - Artest/Hayes
PF - Scola/Landry
C - Yao/Mutombo

AI and Psycho? OMG, the meltdown should be stupendous...

[T Park]

If thats all they are giving up for Ron why the hell arent we in on a deal like this? Looks like the Rockets are gonna be real tuff next year. Yao, Mac, Scola, Artest, wow, Pops and RC better get off their ass and do something to make us better.


Maybe because Pop doesn't want to deal with a psycho?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

funny that only on spurstalk is that tony parker considered a super talent on the same level as both manu and duncan.

Funny that a dumbass Houston fan would overlook the fact Tony has a Finals MVP trophy on his mantle.

[T Park]

But I will say that is garbage to be sending to get a guy like Artest. If true it's disappointing the Spurs couldn't come up with marginally better trash for Artest.

Yeah lets blow the team up for that nutcase.

[ShoogarBear]

Yeah lets blow the team up for that nutcase.
Obviously, blowing up the team wasn't a requirement.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Wow!

PG - AI/Head
SG - T-Mac/Barry
SF - Artest/Hayes
PF - Scola/Landry
C - Yao/Mutombo

Yes, Denver, in cap hell, is going to trade for more money on the books for more years than AI has left.

Dumbass.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

On the one hand, this makes the Rockets scary, since they're giving up nothing that matters to them.

On the other hand, when Yao and T-Mac get injured again, Ron-Ron is going to be jacking up 25 shots a game.

Of course, we're back to the fact that we signed Roger Mason and brought in 3 rookies and are resorting to keeping our fingers crossed that they all work out and both Bynum and some combination of Rockettes gets hurt for us to feel good about our playoff chances...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yeah lets blow the team up for that nutcase.

Bobby Jackson, Donte Greene, and a future first ain't blowing up the team.

Pop and Tim have proven they can keep a nutcase in check. See Jackson, Stephen.

[Kobe24Forever]

nothing more than a T-mac insurance deal.

[DROB4EVER]

Maybe because Pop doesn't want to deal with a psycho?

Well then I hope he enjoys finishing 3 or fouth and out in round 2. Houston already plays us tuff without Artest, but with him, and adding some players to the bench from the draft, I gotta say they look better than us on paper, and they have good team cemestry so we need to add someone.

Look at the trash they sent for him, if he acts up they can buy him out and be out almost nothing. Artest is no more a loon than Steve Jackson was when pops took him.

[ShoogarBear]

Of course, we're back to the fact that we signed Roger Mason and brought in 3 rookies and are resorting to keeping our fingers crossed that they all work out and both Bynum and some combination of Rockettes gets hurt for us to feel good about our playoff chances...

True, but injuries happening/not happening and rookies panning out, etc. are all things with varying degrees of uncertainty.

Ron Artest with at least one epic meltdown this year is an absolute certainty.

[ShoogarBear]

Spurs are going to be lucky to score 85 on the Rockets now, though.

[T Park]

Bobby Jackson, Donte Greene, and a future first ain't blowing up the team.

Pop and Tim have proven they can keep a nutcase in check. See Jackson, Stephen.

Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest are two different levels of crazy get real you know that.

[timvp]

I already want the Rockets to play the Lakers in the playoffs. Artest and Battier to throw at Kobe is a pretty nice combo ... even though Battier's a vastly overrated defender.

[T Park]

Well then I hope he enjoys finishing 3 or fouth and out in round 2. Houston already plays us tuff without Artest, but with him, and adding some players to the bench from the draft, I gotta say they look better than us on paper, and they have good team cemestry so we need to add someone.

Look at the trash they sent for him, if he acts up they can buy him out and be out almost nothing. Artest is no more a loon than Steve Jackson was when pops took him.


Once again two different levels of nuts.

Splash some cold water on your face kiddo.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

True, but injuries happening/not happening and rookies panning out, etc. are all things with varying degrees of uncertainty.

Ron Artest with at least one epic meltdown this year is an absolute certainty.

Oh I agree with you. Just I hate that we're having to count on the stars aligning while other teams are trading ancient vets and summer league wonders for a guy like Artest...

Think about when we play Houston now... TMac and Artest vs. Manu and Bowen. Houston gets a mismatch at offense on the one end, and on defense they can sit TMac on Bowen and let Artest do his thing vs. Manu. Not a good matchup there.

And of course the Scola trade looks even fucking dumber now.

[ShoogarBear]

And of course the Scola trade looks even fucking dumber now.

:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang :bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest are two different levels of crazy get real you know that.

Damnit Tpark, how hard are you going to suck the nuts of our front office?

This is a bad trade for the Spurs. Manu and Bowen vs. TMac and Artest. Bad matchups for us at both ends of the floor now.

When Artest is motivated he's the meanest, most focused mofo on the court. But like I said, this is what it's come to - we have to cross our fingers and hope for a fucking meltdown to feel good about our chances.

What exactly were RC and Pop doing this summer? Limping into FA for Mason while Houston goes out and trades shit for Artest.

[kupogrey]

Funny that a dumbass Houston fan would overlook the fact Tony has a Finals MVP trophy on his mantle.


against the cavs. nuff said :lol

[tav1]

A simple "shit!" should suffice.

On paper, the Rockets are now one of the league best 4 teams. But as solace we have their history as the prototypical paper tigers.

[T Park]

Damnit Tpark, how hard are you going to suck the nuts of our front office?

This is a bad trade for the Spurs. Manu and Bowen vs. TMac and Artest. Bad matchups for us at both ends of the floor now.

When Artest is motivated he's the meanest, most focused mofo on the court. But like I said, this is what it's come to - we have to cross our fingers and hope for a fucking meltdown to feel good about our chances.

What exactly were RC and Pop doing this summer? Limping into FA for Mason while Houston goes out and trades shit for Artest.



How is thinking Artest and Jackson are two different nuts suck on the front office?

Grow up.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Once again two different levels of nuts.

Splash some cold water on your face kiddo.

I think you need to splash some on your silver and black front office blinders.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Stupid Spurs managers :bang

Rockets is best team of NBA now.

[jag]

funny that only on spurstalk is that tony parker considered a super talent on the same level as both manu and duncan.

Ya...only on spurstalk :rolleyes


You should get out more.

[sribb43]

sucks when your big move is resigning kurt thomas?



morey the wizard strikes again

not as bad as signing Diop to the full MLE

[robbie380]

True, but injuries happening/not happening and rookies panning out, etc. are all things with varying degrees of uncertainty.

Ron Artest with at least one epic meltdown this year is an absolute certainty.

FWIW artest does love adelman. hell the guy was willing to give part of his salary if the kings could have retained adelman. so you have to think artest will be able to maintain some sort of control since he is with his coach and in a contract year. i am still amazed...this deal is pretty ridiculous if it is just bjax, greene, and a 1st. the rockets won't be able to retain artest after this year but who cares they didn't give up shit to get him. i like greene but it was pretty clear his game needed a couple years of work.

btw rox fans quit fucking trolling. it's not like our team has done shit for a decade so :stfu if you can't post without being a troll. we still need a ton of stuff to fall in place aka yao and tracy's health. but :toast to morey!

[T Park]

I have no idea what its like to watch basketball in June


its ok kid, maybe one day.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

How is thinking Artest and Jackson are two different nuts suck on the front office?

Grow up.

You need to fucking grow up. This is a bad trade for S.A. Period. You want to know what's immature? Counting on a guy to be psycho to overcome the fact they now have an awesome team put together personnel wise.

But I wouldn't expect anything different from you. The Spurs could have signed Uwe Blab and Shawn Bradley this summer and you'd still be kissing the front office's ass.

[T Park]

Stupid Spurs managers :bang

Rockets is best team of NBA now.


Hey great non trade for the Spurs if Dumbo the greek clown endorses this.

[timvp]

Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest are two different levels of crazy get real you know that.

If the Spurs would have traded Matt Bonner, George Hill and a future first rounder for Ron Artest, T Park would be claiming championship numbers five, six and seven.

[jag]

btw rox fans quit fucking trolling. it's not like our team has done shit for a decade so :stfu if you can't post without being a troll.

look at this guy...:toast

[T Park]

You need to fucking grow up. This is a bad trade for S.A. Period. You want to know what's immature? Counting on a guy to be psycho to overcome the fact they now have an awesome team put together personnel wise.

But I wouldn't expect anything different from you. The Spurs could have signed Uwe Blab and Shawn Bradley this summer and you'd still be kissing the front office's ass.



Yes, continue the all intelligent come backs.

Front office sucker, kiss ass blah blah blah.

More of the same 14 year old humor.

[DROB4EVER]

Once again two different levels of nuts.

Splash some cold water on your face kiddo.

If I recall Jackson was in the stands with Artest, and Artest has never opened up with gun fire at moving cars.

Artest comes to play, and when he is winning he stays in control. Plus he will not be asked to be a leader in houston.

Teams in the west are getting better trading trash while we wait and hope someone will come to us in 2010 when manu will be gone and duncan will be 34.

Even the Clippers have gotten much better. As it stands I think Houston passed us, Lakers are better right now, and the Jazz and Hornets are close.

[mommaDONEraisedaTHUG]

How is thinking Artest and Jackson are two different nuts suck on the front office?

Grow up.

tpark

you need to take off your silver and black shaded glasses and see things for what they really are.

the spurs made NEARLY ZERO progress this offseason while other teams made moves to improve their team.

bad offseason. bad management.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Hey great non trade for the Spurs if Dumbo the greek clown endorses this.

You is idiot.

Spurs is 3rd best team now in just west conference and since they is getting old maybe 4th best team in west next year. Spurs managers need do something.

[ShoogarBear]

If the Spurs would have traded Matt Bonner, George Hill and a future first rounder for Ron Artest, T Park would be claiming championship numbers five, six and seven.

Wait till the story comes out that the Kings wanted that, but the Spurs turned them down.

[rj215]

The knee jerk reaction would be to say the Spurs FO sucks for not trying to package some scrub off the bench and a draft pick to get Ron Ron.

Well TMac and Yao NEVER stay healthy. Ron Ron hasn't seen a shot he didn't like. And anyone that would trust Adelman to outsmart Pop needs to get off the crack pipe.

The FO knows what it's doing and if they feel we need to make a move they'll do it but not at the expense of the team first, no crazies culture.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yes, continue the all intelligent come backs.

Front office sucker, kiss ass blah blah blah.

More of the same 14 year old humor.

Sorry, I am attempting to speak at your level.

Oh, and I don't see you calling out timvp about this one, he appears to think it's a pretty shitty trade for us as well.

But what do we know? You're a psychiatrist, I forgot... Artest played well and behaved for Adelman back in the day in Sacramento. Maybe you need to figure out who's coaching the Rockets these days. It ain't Van Gundy.

[completely deck]

Is it just me or are teams trying to get bigger and bigger for an answer to our offense?

And if that is so, do you see our transactions this off season to counteract these teams strategies?

[jag]

Is it just me or are teams trying to get bigger and bigger for an answer to our offense?

And if that is so, do you see our transactions this off season to counteract these teams strategies?

I think you're flattering yourself. This isn't 2005 anymore.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The knee jerk reaction would be to say the Spurs FO sucks for not trying to package some scrub off the bench and a draft pick to get Ron Ron.

Well TMac and Yao NEVER stay healthy.


That has nothing to do with being (apparently) able to get Artest for table scraps.



Ron Ron hasn't seen a shot he didn't like.

Spurs needed scoring and signed a wing with the hope he could approach anything near the 17 PPG he averaged as a starter in Washington. And Manu's coming off an Olympic trip.



And anyone that would trust Adelman to outsmart Pop needs to get off the crack pipe.

Adelman went 2-2 against Pop last year, and held us to below 90 points in 3 out of the 4 games starting Luther Head, Rafer Alston, and Dikembe Mutombo.

[completely deck]

I think you're flattering yourself. This isn't 2005 anymore.

Well, after I posted it I realized I meant to say the west in general looks like it's trying to out big each other

[T Park]

Sorry, I am attempting to speak at your level.

Oh, and I don't see you calling out timvp about this one, he appears to think it's a pretty shitty trade for us as well.

But what do we know? You're a psychiatrist, I forgot... Artest played well and behaved for Adelman back in the day in Sacramento. Maybe you need to figure out who's coaching the Rockets these days. It ain't Van Gundy.




God what are you 12?

Your the most pouty jerk I've ever seen.

Do us a favor and go away kid.

[ShoogarBear]

Boy, the Rockets sure miss Dennis Lindsey, don't they?

[timvp]

In the regular season, the Spurs shouldn't even play Manu against the Rockets. He'd take a couple years off of his life trying to score on both Artest and Battier at the same time. Those should be some automatic vacation games for Manu.

Damn the Rockets look like they've won their 12th paper championship. Luckily they only have two real championships to show for it. But WTF, how do they always end up with the fallen stars . . .

[exstatic]

against the cavs. nuff said :lol

You play who you play, and he didn't just perform well, he raped them.

[NewJerSpur]

The Rockets still have to prove that health won't be a major issue for the larger pieces of their puzzle.

[T Park]

If the Spurs would have traded Matt Bonner, George Hill and a future first rounder for Ron Artest, T Park would be claiming championship numbers five, six and seven.

hahaha i see what you did there!!!!!

No.

I would never support a trade for a shit head like Artest.

If the Spurs traded for Artest, my season tickets would be someone elses.

I wil NEVER root for a team that has Ron Artest on it, period.

[1Parker1]

That's all it takes to get Ron Artest these days?? Kings would be idiots to take this trade...

This smells fishy...I think Dennis Lindsay strikes again. I knew he was still working for the Rockets somehow...:lol

[T Park]

Wait till the story comes out that the Kings wanted that, but the Spurs turned them down.


I'd still be fine with that.

Once again, I would NEVER root for a team that has Ron Artest on its team.

[Fabbs]

Originally Posted by T Park
Yeah lets blow the team up for that nutcase.


Bobby Jackson, Donte Greene, and a future first ain't blowing up the team.

Pop and Tim have proven they can keep a nutcase in check. See Jackson, Stephen.
yeah we would have had to "blow up" the Spurs by giving:
Findawg
2009 #1
a player to be named later.

:bang :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

God what are you 12?

Your the most pouty jerk I've ever seen.

Do us a favor and go away kid.

Gimme a break Tpark. Are we back to this shit again? You're getting your ass owned in the discussion so you're back to petty insults?

I don't see you calling LJ out for being 12, and he made the same freakin' point. If the Spurs had traded for Artest, you'd be sucking the FO's nuts right now.

We just watched a division rival significantly upgrade in exchange for sending out something marginally better than HITA and you're still sucking the FO's nuts.

You've gone from Popapologist to front office spin doctor. Lame.

And no one who swore not to post for a year after the Spurs lost a playoff game that didn't end the season but came back 24 hours later should ever talk shit about someone being a pouty kid.

Go sell some cotton candy or something, carny.

[IronMexican]

Why do Lakers' never get steals like this?:lol

[ChumpDumper]

yeah we would have had to "blow up" the Spurs by giving:
Findawg
2009 #1
a player to be named later.

:bang :lolNot possible.

[DROB4EVER]

Is it just me or are teams trying to get bigger and bigger for an answer to our offense?

And if that is so, do you see our transactions this off season to counteract these teams strategies?

Teams are looking to match up with the spurs and lakers. But I dont think we have done enough to make us a true contender. Teams keep getting better while we wait for what??

We could have had AK from GS for 3 mill per. Instead we got Mason for 3.75 pr yr. R Davis is getting less than 2.5 pr for 1yr with an option for the second. Houston gets Artest and has a great draft. LA gets Bynum back. The hornets sign posey giving them a very big starting 5 excluding paul.

Clips are better, GS looks like they will be Ok, Portland should be very good,

Im all for the 2010 plan but not at the expense of pissing away Tim and Manus prime waiting till then and hope we can win another title.

I think the FO has done a suck ass job this summer. We should be a good team, but on paper I see us no better than 3rd unless Ian and Hill come out and really give us starter type play......like 20ppg 12rpg combined between the both of them.:bang

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

hahaha i see what you did there!!!!!

No.

I would never support a trade for a shit head like Artest.

If the Spurs traded for Artest, my season tickets would be someone elses.

I wil NEVER root for a team that has Ron Artest on it, period.

But you'd cream in your pants if we got Buckets back, and he's done more shitheaded stuff than Artest.

[jag]

Well, after I posted it I realized I meant to say the west in general looks like it's trying to out big each other

I think a lot of teams are getting tired of mediocrity...keep in mind that the last 10 years have been dominated by about 2 or 3 teams, everyone else has been on the outside looking in. Teams saw what the Celtics did and now they think they might be able to make a move to either put them over the top, or completely turn around their franchise.

This move speaks more towards the Rockets defense...they've got got shut-down guys all over the floor now. The big question is whether or not they have the leadership to put it all together once playoff time rolls around.

[rj215]

That has nothing to do with being (apparently) able to get Artest for table scraps.



Spurs needed scoring and signed a wing with the hope he could approach anything near the 17 PPG he averaged as a starter in Washington. And Manu's coming off an Olympic trip.



Adelman went 2-2 against Pop last year, and held us to below 90 points in 3 out of the 4 games starting Luther Head, Rafer Alston, and Dikembe Mutombo.

Pop has a strict no assholes policy. SJax was crazy but he wasn't an asshole like Artest that tries to get himself traded from every place he's been.

Spurs need scoring but at what expense? Ron wouldn't be happy with ~10 shots a game like Mason.

Yeah Adelman was great in the regular season against Pop but it's a different story in the playoffs. Pop doesn't usually show his hand against teams and then destroys them during money time (see 07 Cavs, 08 Hornets, 08 Suns).

[kupogrey]

You play who you play, and he didn't just perform well, he raped them.



I understand that, as well as how he is a great talent and picked apart the cavs.


But my point was he isn't on the talent level of manu or duncan.


So why is that so wrong to say here?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

TPark is happy with the job our front office is doing. Let's see, here's what we're now up against:

Hornets get Posey
Lakers get Bynum back
Rockets add Artest
Spurs get Roger Mason.

One of these does not belong.

(and I'm cautiously optimistic about Mason).

[timvp]

Someone needs to alert the Kings that summer league is in fact not actual NBA competition. And that Donte Green's averages ended up being pretty bad, anyways.

It's interesting that this trade came out now when it can't be completed for more than two weeks. Wonder if another team will try to swoop in and offer more.

[jag]

And to any Spurs fan who thinks that Ron Artest would be a detriment to the Spurs: You're being a blind homer.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Someone needs to alert the Kings that summer league is in fact not actual NBA competition. And that Donte Green's averages ended up being pretty bad, anyways.

It's interesting that this trade came out now when it can't be completed for more than two weeks. Wonder if another team will try to swoop in and offer more.

Agreed. They wanted Howard from the Mavs for Artest. Hard to believe they've gone from Howard to Bobby freakin' Jackson, a summer league wonder, and a future draft pick.

[completely deck]

The big question is whether or not they have the leadership to put it all together once playoff time rolls around.

Good points, but I think health has a lot to do with it as well.

[objective]

Artest is an old fogey, 10 months older than Roger Mason. Spurs get younger, Rockets get older.
:lol

[jag]

I understand that, as well as how he is a great talent and picked apart the cavs.


But my point was he isn't on the talent level of manu or duncan.


So why is that so wrong to say here?

It's not "wrong" to say, it's inaccurate. He doesn't have the same role as either Duncan or Manu, so how exactly are you quantifying "talent level"?

He doesn't have the quickness of manu? wrong
He doesn't have the ability to penetrate like manu? wrong
He doesn't have the low post moves like Tim?
He doesn't have the free throw shooting ability of either?
He doesn't have the 3-point shooting ability of manu? true

He plays a different role than both, and as a pg he's one of the top 3-5 in the league, so i'm not exactly sure what you're trying to prove.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's not "wrong" to say, it's inaccurate. He doesn't have the same role as either Duncan or Manu, so how exactly are you quantifying "talent level"?

He doesn't have the quickness of manu? wrong
He doesn't have the ability to penetrate like manu? wrong
He doesn't have the low post moves like Tim?
He doesn't have the free throw shooting ability of either?
He doesn't have the 3-point shooting ability of manu? true

He plays a different role than both, and as a pg he's one of the top 3-5 in the league, so i'm not exactly sure what you're trying to prove.

I think he already proved it... that he's an idiot Rockets fan.

[kupogrey]

It's not "wrong" to say, it's inaccurate. He doesn't have the same role as either Duncan or Manu, so how exactly are you quantifying "talent level"?

He doesn't have the quickness of manu? wrong
He doesn't have the ability to penetrate like manu? wrong
He doesn't have the low post moves like Tim?
He doesn't have the free throw shooting ability of either?
He doesn't have the 3-point shooting ability of manu? true

He plays a different role than both, and as a pg he's one of the top 3-5 in the league, so i'm not exactly sure what you're trying to prove.



alright

im just going to leave it alone before i get accused of being a troll again. :rolleyes

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

alright

im just going to leave it alone before i get accused of being a troll again. :rolleyes

Too late. Troll.

[meestahmeestah]

For what it's worth I listen to Denver sports talk pretty much all day long, and I've not heard a peep about the AI for Battier/Alston/filler. They've pretty much stuck to talking about how allsome the Broncos are going to be this year. :lol

Also, a quick peek at the salaries shows me that without a 3rd team involved, the Rockets would need at least $6M more in filler to get close to AI's money, and they can't really hit that without trading Scola which I don't think they'd do.

Having said all that....wow. This Artest thing sucks for the Spurs.

[kupogrey]

Too late. Troll.


ANNNNNNNNNYTHING IS POSSSSSSSSSSSIBLE!!! :toast

[angelbelow]

wow..

[jag]

alright

im just going to leave it alone before i get accused of being a troll again. :rolleyes

I'm not accusing you of being a troll, I just expect some type of an explanation when someone makes a ridiculous statement of fact that has no basis.

You obviously can't give that explanation.

[xtremesteven33]

PG-Alston
SG-McGrady
SF-Artest
PF-Scola
C-Yao


thats very scary.......way too big of a lineup. Spurs better do something quick to convince spurs fans that we can still be contenders this year.

[DROB4EVER]

PG-Alston
SG-McGrady
SF-Artest
PF-Scola
C-Yao


thats very scary.......way too big of a lineup. Spurs better do something quick to convince spurs fans that we can still be contenders this year.

Whats even woarse is when they bring in barry, and move artest to the 4. They will have 4 great shooters on the wings and Yao in the lane. Anyone doubles on him and they will pay dearly.

Pops needs to dig deep in that crappy white beard of his and find another player!!:ihit

[xtremesteven33]

im convinced if manu can stay 100% healthy thru out the season then i know we can still come out on top.

its just a very slim chance that will happen.

[BOHOLANO#21]

alright

im just going to leave it alone before i get accused of being a troll again. :rolleyes
YOU'RE NOT a troll. you're a moron.

[Banzai]

Why do Lakers' never get steals like this?:lol

:rollin:lol

[Marcus Bryant]

The 3rd best team in Texas makes a strong push to move past the 1st round.

[TheMadHatter]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if another team tries to swoop in with a better deal. It's no secret this got leaked out today, the Kings want maximum value.

Bobby Jackson, 1st rounder, and Donta Greene really isn't much of an offer for Artest.

[KidCongo]

Danny Ferry is waiting too because he is a Spurs FO clone...

[Fabbs]

Pop has a strict no assholes policy. SJax was crazy but he wasn't an asshole like Artest that tries to get himself traded from every place he's been.

Spurs need scoring but at what expense? Ron wouldn't be happy with ~10 shots a game like Mason.

Yeah Adelman was great in the regular season against Pop but it's a different story in the playoffs. Pop doesn't usually show his hand against teams and then destroys them during money time (see 07 Cavs, 08 Hornets, 08 Suns).
The guy aka as Phils Bitch could learn a policy thing or two from PJ during "money time". Rodman was traded a few times before ringing with Phil, MJ and the networks.

Who is to say Artest would not be fine with 10 shots a game on the Spurs.

[The Truth #6]

But I will say that is garbage to be sending to get a guy like Artest. If true it's disappointing the Spurs couldn't come up with marginally better trash for Artest.


Signing Tolliver wiped out all their energy. Besides, making moves right now would be way too predictable considering all the players that could potentially be signed or traded. That CIA Pop!

[NewJerSpur]

This question may have an obvious answer to some on here, and for that I may draw some sarcasm, but now who takes the final shot for the win: T-Mac or Ronnie?

[benefactor]

Well this sucks. I know that we were not going to touch Artest with a 10ft pole with all his drama queen issues, but man, Houston getting him? If they can stay healthy they are going to be hard to handle. Their shooting/defensive depth is now incredible. I don't know that there is much more our FO can do this offseason. Lets hope this is a signal to let Finley go and find a way to bring someone in that can give us some depth off the bench to counter...but who that person might be is a question mark. Its not like there were a lot of good options at the swingman spot anyway.

So its on the youngsters...them and the health of our big three will have to be the deciding factors in our ability to remain competitive.

[benefactor]

This question may have an obvious answer to some on here, and for that I may draw some sarcasm, but now who takes the final shot for the win: T-Mac or Ronnie?
Barry....

[Matchman]

This question may have an obvious answer to some on here, and for that I may draw some sarcasm, but now who takes the final shot for the win: T-Mac or Ronnie?

we will take the best available shot. our chemistry is great and our players trust each other, from rafer alston to shane battier.

[Indazone]

You know what is funny. How everybody was saying that in order to get Artest you'd have to trade Battier and another player like Luther Head just to get him. Last year the Kings wanted Aaron Brooks but the Rockets refused. This year they send of BJAX who sucked last year in the playoffs and also send a rookie over. This is incredible.

[Brutalis]

Shit.

[NewJerSpur]

we will take the best available shot. our chemistry is great and our players trust each other, from rafer alston to shane battier.

The Rockets did display great chemistry with the roster they had last season for periods (particularly during the winning streak), but I was referring more to a situation where the Spurs decide to stay home on the perimeter guys to avoid giving up open shots from long-distance (especially knowing that to be a strength of Houston's)...who's the man down the stretch to take the big shor one-on-one?

[iggypop123]

last season it was us with gasol. now it was rockets with the rape of kings and getting artest for trash. nice deal.

[Spurtacus]

Fucking hell.

[TheMadHatter]

There's a reason why nobody offered any good players for Artest. He's a huge risk. For HOU, if they don't make it deep in the playoffs this year they will probably blow up the team anyways so Artest potentially walking next off-season isn't that big of a deal.

If it pays off, kudos to the Rockets. If not, it's not like you didn't know what you were getting into beforehand.

[MannyIsGod]

WTF? This has to be bullshit, right?

[Matchman]

The Rockets did display great chemistry with the roster they had last season for periods (particularly during the winning streak), but I was referring more to a situation where the Spurs decide to stay home on the perimeter guys to avoid giving up open shots from long-distance (especially knowing that to be a strength of Houston's)...who's the man down the stretch to take the big shor one-on-one?

in that case, we will trust yao ming to go one on one against oberto

[icem]

does anyone get the feeling that our time is truly coming to a close now ???

i mean, struggled with the hornets, and now they add posey who will be able to knock down the open clutch 3s that mo pete and peja could not.

we got our asses beat by the lakers, and now bynum is back healthy.

and now the rockets add artest. the rockets always played us tough even when they only had yao and tmac....now they are downright beastly with artest and brent barry to spread the floor.

those are 3 teams i feel we are simply not better than right now. then just think, even if we somehow made it out of the west, we might have to face a team like boston.... man we need to make some moves or we're done.

[NewJerSpur]

in that case, we will trust yao ming to go one on one against oberto

Oberto wouldn't be anywhere NEAR Yao in that instance, LOL....not laughing at you but rather the idea.

[I. Hustle]

They are moving the Rockettes to Vegas Anyway. Celine Dione is going to be the new owner

[fredm]

Oberto wouldn't be anywhere NEAR Yao in that instance, LOL....not laughing at you but rather the idea.

yeah don't want to get dunk on I guess.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Now it's our turn to get a lopsided deal. I demand one by training camp.

[spursfan09]

funny that only on spurstalk is that tony parker considered a super talent on the same level as both manu and duncan.

When you are named a finals MVP yeah you are not just like any other player.

[NewJerSpur]

does anyone get the feeling that our time is truly coming to a close now ???

i mean, struggled with the hornets, and now they add posey who will be able to knock down the open clutch 3s that mo pete and peja could not.

we got our asses beat by the lakers, and now bynum is back healthy.

and now the rockets add artest. the rockets always played us tough even when they only had yao and tmac....now they are downright beastly with artest and brent barry to spread the floor.



Neither Bynum or the core of the Rockets in guaranteed a healthy season. There is a strong possibility that might factor into the outcome of LA and HOU's respective seasons in some way or another.

[anakha]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if another team tries to swoop in with a better deal. It's no secret this got leaked out today, the Kings want maximum value.

Bobby Jackson, 1st rounder, and Donta Greene really isn't much of an offer for Artest.

I wouldn't put it past the Kings to try this.

[NewJerSpur]

yeah don't want to get dunk on I guess.

Yeah, that would be a crappy way to end a game, though it sure would be funny to see. :lol

[iggypop123]

Now it's our turn to get a lopsided deal. I demand one by training camp.

there are usually only 2 per year. remember isiah thomas is gone from the knicks. no more easy rape deals

[DespЏrado]

Man this is going to be a tough couple of years to continue being competitive. The Spurs have made it even worse by giving players like Scola away and not getting Splitter on board.

I don't see how anyone can argue that this makes Houston a very legitimate threat in the West.

Damn-
Posey goes to the Hornets
Bynum is coming back
and now this?

I don't think the Spurs are going to ever win a b2b during the Duncan years, which is the only accomplishment that he is missing.

[anakha]

I predict a gloating Louis appearance in the next hour or so.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

there are usually only 2 per year. remember isiah thomas is gone from the knicks. no more easy rape deals

Well today is 1, it's our turn now.
I'm currently using the trade machine to it's fullest.

[duncan228]

The Mavs beat writers are all over it.

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/reports-ron-artest-coming-to-texas.html

Welcome to Texas, Ron Artest!!!
Tim MacMahon

No, Ron Artest is not reuniting with Rick Carlisle. He's reportedly headed to Houston.

The Houston Chronicle reported that the Kings would receive Bobby Jackson, a No. 1 draft pick in 2009 and another player that the newspaper's source could not identify. KRIV television in Houston reported that the Kings will also receive cash.

"Yes, it has been tentatively agreed upon," said Artest's agent, Mark Stevens, according to KRIV. "Now it has to be confirmed by the league office and until that is done, it's not official.

This doesn't sound like good news to the Mavs. Unless the unidentified player is Rafer Alston or Shane Battier (guarantee it's not Tracy McGrady or Yao Ming), the Rockets just got a lot better.

The Mavs believe that Dirk/Jason Kidd/Josh Howard can be the NBA's best trio. It's not even the best in Texas now with Artest joining Yao and T-Mac.

(Spurs fans would say it wasn't anyway, with Tim Duncan/Manu Ginobili/Tony Parker together in San Antonio.)

UPDATE: Superstar columnist/blogger Jean-Jacques Taylor took it a bit further, declaring that the Mavs are now the No. 4 team in the Southwest Division.

http://jacquestaylorblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/ron-artest-is-coming-to-texas.html

Ron Artest is coming to Texas
Jean-Jacques Taylor

But he ain't coming to the Mavs.

He's going to Houston.

The Mavs tried to get a deal done last week, but wouldn't part with Josh Howard. They did offer Brandon Bass and Jerry Stackhouse.

I understand that, but it's hard to believe all the Rockets had to give up was Bobby Jackson and a couple of gift cards. The Mavs just became the fourth best team in their division behind New Orleans, San Antonio and Houston.

[Fabbs]

This question may have an obvious answer to some on here, and for that I may draw some sarcasm, but now who takes the final shot for the win: T-Mac or Ronnie?
I wonder now where Big Shot Rob is going.

[iggypop123]

Well today is 1, it's our turn now.
I'm currently using the trade machine to it's fullest.

deng is going to resign with bulls so i dont see your guys options for a trade.

[Spuradicator]

Im just still not that impressed with Houston. I still think we are the best in the West when healthy.

[DaDakota]

This is amazing, and a cheap pickup for Houston......

Still though it is a risk....we have 4 guys at the SG/SF position in Tmac, Artest, Battier and Barry....

There has to be another trade in the works.

DD

[SenorSpur]

In the regular season, the Spurs shouldn't even play Manu against the Rockets. He'd take a couple years off of his life trying to score on both Artest and Battier at the same time. Those should be some automatic vacation games for Manu.

Damn the Rockets look like they've won their 12th paper championship. Luckily they only have two real championships to show for it. But WTF, how do they always end up with the fallen stars . . .

Nice projected lineup, but the Rockets don't scare me - yet.

First thing is this Rockets team hasn't proved it can stay healthy. Second, they've not proved they have the mental toughness needed to go deep in the playoffs. Artest helps them ascend to yet another level on the defensive end. However on the offensive side, he doesn't get shots within the flow of the offense. Doesn't make others better.

With Yao playing in the Olympics, expect him to spend some time on the sideline next seasons. McGrady will have another one of his classic playoff meltdowns. Expect chemistry issues with this team. As long as the Rockets have Tracy McGrady as their lead dog, they'll never get out of the first round.

[mystargtr34]

This really sux. We had our own expiring deals with Bonner and Udoka totalling about 6 mil, and could have given George Hill and a future first.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

deng is going to resign with bulls so i dont see your guys options for a trade.

Unless of course it's a sign and trade... :hat

[icem]

Neither Bynum or the core of the Rockets in guaranteed a healthy season. There is a strong possibility that might factor into the outcome of LA and HOU's respective seasons in some way or another.

but c'mon man, that is the same garbage people said about boston last year. just sounds like wishful thinking to me, cuz we know our only chance to beat any of them is if they are injured. and what about us ? are we guaranteed to be healthy or something ?

[SenorSpur]

This question may have an obvious answer to some on here, and for that I may draw some sarcasm, but now who takes the final shot for the win: T-Mac or Ronnie?

You bring up a valid point. As tenacious a defender as Artest he, he is just as brutal at taking offensive opportunities away from teammates. At times, he's just as likely to get into his own personal mano-y-mano offensive battles with the opposition's top scorer - and will not back down.

I remember reading a blurb last season that Artest constantly frustrated his teammates because he often "broke off" plays that were signaled in from the sideline. He did so that he could command the ball in the post, while looking for his own opportunities.

[TheMadHatter]

How much of an improvement is Artest over Battier defensively? Not much IMHO. Even offensively Battier is the better 3pt shooter.

This is a good move since the Rockets gave up no major pieces to get Artest. If McGrady ever goes down then Artest can pickup the slack. Not sold on how they will all mesh together, Artest and McGrady both need the ball to be effective. This isn't a perfect fit like the Big 3 in BOS.

[icem]

Im just still not that impressed with Houston. I still think we are the best in the West when healthy.

yea, and you probably still think we lost in 5 games to the lakers because manu was "hurting".

get real man....we're just not that good at this point.

[NewJerSpur]

but c'mon man, that is the same garbage people said about boston last year. just sounds like wishful thinking to me, cuz we know our only chance to beat any of them is if they are injured. and what about us ? are we guaranteed to be healthy or something ?

Health is a risk for any and every team in every team spor, especially the more physically demanding the activity. However, when you have teams whose anchors have either negging injuries that keep them out for long stretches (as opposed to fluke injuries) or a serious injury that could set back a player's progress as it takes time to fully recover it plays an even larger role in their future and CANNOT be discounted. The proof will be in the pudding as always.

[rj215]

The guy aka as Phils Bitch could learn a policy thing or two from PJ during "money time". Rodman was traded a few times before ringing with Phil, MJ and the networks.

Who is to say Artest would not be fine with 10 shots a game on the Spurs.

Jordan, Pippen, Rodman > Me-Grady, Yao, Artest

Big Chief Triangle > Adelman

Adelman is a retread coach who'll find a way to lose rather than find a way to win with Artest especially in the playoffs.

You're right I don't if Artest will be happy with ~10 shots a game. But he wasn't happy being a role player on the Bulls. He wasn't happy being second fiddle to O'Neal in Indy. And he wasn't happy with Bibby and Martin in Sac-town. What makes anyone think he'll be happy being the third banana to T-Wak and Yao.

[NewJerSpur]

You bring up a valid point. As tenacious a defender as Artest he, he is just as brutal at taking offensive opportunities away from teammates. At times, he's just as likely to get into his own personal mano-y-mano offensive battles with the opposition's top scorer - and will not back down.

I remember reading a blurb last season that Artest constantly frustrated his teammates because he often "broke off" plays that were signaled in from the sideline. He did so that he could command the ball in the post, while looking for his own opportunities.

:tu

My thinking exactly, which is one reason I brought the issue up.

[angelbelow]

ron artest is too unpredictable, one day hes about winning a championship, the next day hes team chemistry, the next day hes wanting to prove hes a superstar, and it just doesnt end.

[ceperez]

Adds insult to injury.

Rockets steal Scola for us for a European player that doesn't want to play in the NBA.

They steal Batum, to trade him for Donte Greene to get Artest in this trade.

They steal Barry because we waited too long for Maggette to decide.

What's next? Robert Horry signs with thoe Rockets?

So what do we keep in return for all this, guys like Bonner, Finley and Vaughn.

Very depressing in my opinion.

[SenorSpur]

ron artest is too unpredictable, one day hes about winning a championship, the next day hes team chemistry, the next day hes wanting to prove hes a superstar, and it just doesnt end.

Hopefully his net benefit to the Rockets will be yet another postseason implosion.

[Mr. Body]

Why so worried? We drafted George Hill and signed Roger Mason. If that doesn't fix everything, I don't know what will.

[iggypop123]

Unless of course it's a sign and trade... :hat

no espn says he is close to resigning for a 6 year deal

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

no espn says he is close to resigning for a 6 year deal

The Spurs are known for keeping stuff under the radar.

[024]

This really sux. We had our own expiring deals with Bonner and Udoka totalling about 6 mil, and could have given George Hill and a future first.

bonner doesn't have an expiring contract. that's why he's so hard to get rid of. spurs have nothing to offer the kings. only vaughn and udoka's contract are ending and that totals to about 2.2 million. the only way the spurs could have gotten artest was if he had opted out and decided to take the mle.

good news about this is that the lakers don't get artest. lakers landing artest would have been devastating. they would have added a 3pt shooter and improved their defense. artest won't improve the rockets as much because he'll be replacing battier, who's just as good of a defensive player and decent 3pt shooter. artest would be insurance more than anything else.

[Joe Schmoogins]

threads like this are so lame. The rockets made a good trade. Thumbs up to them. They will be better, and closer to a contender. Fortunately, Ron Artest is not capable of taking a perennial one and done team to the promised land. However, he is capable of destroying a team. But some on this board seem a bit confused. Allow me to remind those who have forgotten...

the title of this thread is: Ron Artest set for deal to Rockets

the title of this thread is not: open forum to bash spurs fo because of something they couldn't control.

spurstalk poster is such a spoiled whiny baby.

[mystargtr34]

^ Whoops...

I think thatl do me for the day then.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

This is the biggest fucking load of bull shit I have ever fucking heard. Why is it so commonplace for other teams to acquire steals every other season and the spurs get Scola'ed, Splitter'ed, and acquire a Roger fucking Mason.

I'm sick of this shit, just once, ONCE, can we ever be on the beneficial end of a bull shit trade deal? JUST ONCE.....god damnit.

[NewJerSpur]

We dont need Bynum to beat the Spurs. And I cant believe that there are some fools that think this isnt a steal for ther Rockets. This puts them right at the top with the Lakers, Celtics, Pistons, and Spurs. I hope they stay healthy too, infact, I hope all the teams stay healthy for a great playoffs next year.

The issue with Bynum being brought up in this thread wasn't a question of whether the Lakers needed him to beat the Spurs per se, it was about the Lakers being a better overall team with him healthy...especially with Turiaf leaving for the Bay Area and thinning out the front court.

Oh, and you never know WHO the Lakers might need to show up against the Spurs the next time around to produce a win when it counts. They won't be putting the exact same team out onto the floor that dragged its feet against LA in last season's WCF and the new guys they'll be bringing back (Udoka, Thomas) will have more time to get comfortable in the system which can only make the team better. Nothing is guaranteed for next season based upon the results of last season.

[Joe Schmoogins]

^... exhibit A

[Mr. Body]

This is the biggest fucking load of bull shit I have ever fucking heard. Why is it so commonplace for other teams to acquire steals every other season and the spurs get Scola'ed, Splitter'ed, and acquire a Roger fucking Mason.

Well, there's your answer. I doubt the Spurs look for these deals. They have few available assets at all times. They sign character guys above talent, so if a Bonner doesn't work out, they're crap up a creek. They gave away Scola out of hubris or something (and supplied one of those lopsided trades you wish the Spurs did), and Splitter blindsided them. Roger Mason seems to have been their idea of a strong offseason from the start (other than a brief dalliance with Maggette).

This is not an aggressive front office. It's a good one that lately has outsmarted itself at every turn.

[NewJerSpur]

^... exhibit A

What?

[SequSpur]

What the fuck.... again, the spurs haven't done dick to get better and they continue to hold on to has beens like bowen instead of thinking about the future...

shit...bowen is the best, he is all san antonio, but shit, i can't take seeing him shoot another side 3 pointer and then gettin lit up by Kobe for fucking 40 a game in a playoff series....

shit, that's a given..;

it's time to retool this fucking team and they constantly have their heads up their asses.

[ceperez]

It'll be just unbelievable if the trade consisted only of Bobby Jackson, a first round pick and Donte Greene. Didn't the Mav's offer Stackhouse and Bass earlier only to be rejected.

Though I can't believe that the Rockets would have traded Battier. He's the heart and soul of the Rocket's defense. If they did that, then the trade would have been a big mistake.

[Shank]

Is it even possible for another team to swoop in with a better offer? Or are those kind of things usually scoffed at?

[Buddy Holly]

Sequ the Hobbit thinks if he codes his pms school girl fueled rambling words in red it might actually mean something. lol

Nope. You're still short, bald and fucking ugly. Deal with life troll.

[SequSpur]

Sequ the Hobbit thinks if he codes his pms school girl fueled rambling text in red it might actually mean something. lol

Nope. You're still short, bald and fucking ugly. Deal with life troll.

You're still the cell out of my dick. Tell your mom check's in the mail. :toast

[The Truth #6]

What?

I guess Joe Schmo thinks that a Spurs board shouldn't discuss how this move relates to our team...or we shouldn't be negative...or something

[Buddy Holly]

You're still the cell out of my dick. Tell your mom check's in the mail. :toast

LOL. I might not want to go into your Mama disses with you. I might get threatening PM's from a "teenager" who wants to kick my ass.

Oh, the SpursReport days... When Sequ pretended to be a teenager. :lol

[SequSpur]

LOL. I might not want to go into your Mama disses with you. I might get threatening PM's from a "teenager" who wants to kick my ass.

Oh, the SpursReport days... When Sequ pretended to be a teenager. :lol

you're gay.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

If roger mason was a legitimate 6 foot 7, I would be jacking off all the way to the bank over whatever any other team did this offseason, but the fact is we definitely are in an even weaker position than we were last season to start off this new campaign.

[SequSpur]

If roger mason was a legitimate 6 foot 7, I would be jacking off all the way to the bank over whatever any other team did this offseason, but the fact is we definitely are in an even weaker position than we were last season to start off this new campaign.

Robert Mason is a nobody.

[NewJerSpur]

Gotcha'.

The funny thing was, I was commenting on something a Laker fan said regarding the Spurs/Lakers and then I got hit with that, LOL. Oh well, back to the topic at hand....

[Joe Schmoogins]

What?

my fault... it was meant for CBF's post right before yours.

[Mr. Body]

If roger mason was a legitimate 6 foot 7, I would be jacking off all the way to the bank over whatever any other team did this offseason, but the fact is we definitely are in an even weaker position than we were last season to start off this new campaign.

It's a weaker team. Perhaps significantly so.

[Buddy Holly]

you're gay.

Wow, you're coming out swinging.

http://images.dawgsports.com/images/admin/midget_batting.jpg

[NewJerSpur]

my fault... it was meant for CBF's post right before yours.

Cool. Clarification.
:tu

[underdawg]

threads like this are so lame. The rockets made a good trade. Thumbs up to them. They will be better, and closer to a contender. Fortunately, Ron Artest is not capable of taking a perennial one and done team to the promised land. However, he is capable of destroying a team. But some on this board seem a bit confused. Allow me to remind those who have forgotten...

the title of this thread is: Ron Artest set for deal to Rockets

the title of this thread is not: open forum to bash spurs fo because of something they couldn't control.

spurstalk poster is such a spoiled whiny baby.

Hey - you need to quit with the common sense crap! We need to be hysterical and think about what could have been. I'm just glad that our FO isn't as stupid and desperate as some of our fans. If you would want a player that asked for regular season time off to debut his rap album, you are NOT a Spurs fan. That goes against every single thing that the Spurs stand for. Don't buy into the hype that he could be controlled - he is and will always be a nut and our team is a contender without him. Why risk screwing up this team just to make a big name trade that very well could work out, but then it again it could end up wasting the remaining productive years of our Big 3?

Houston is desperate - they have to take this risk and we would too if we had problems getting out of the first round.

[your_pimp]

Another team that gets a lot better than the overrated Spurs..LOL

The Rockets with this trade become automatic contenders for the title..

The Spurs on the other hand waiting for their "master plan" in 2010 LOL :rollin

Losers!!!

[urunobili]

the dark side clouds everything.. impossible to see the future is...

[underdawg]

Another team that gets a lot better than the overrated Spurs..LOL

The Rockets with this trade become automatic contenders for the title..

The Spurs on the other hand waiting for their "master plan" in 2010 LOL :rollin

Losers!!!

Aren't you supposed to be practicing on your smack - go get back in front of that mirror and try again! You can do it - just stay focused this time.

[Joe Schmoogins]

Hey - you need to quit with the common sense crap! We need to be hysterical and think about what could have been. I'm just glad that our FO isn't as stupid and desperate as some of our fans. If you would want a player that asked for regular season time off to debut his rap album, you are NOT a Spurs fan. That goes against every single thing that the Spurs stand for. Don't buy into the hype that he could be controlled - he is and will always be a nut and our team is a contender without him. Why risk screwing up this team just to make a big name trade that very well could work out, but then it again it could end up wasting the remaining productive years of our Big 3?

Houston is desperate - they have to take this risk and we would too if we had problems getting out of the first round.

:toast

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Neither Bynum or the core of the Rockets in guaranteed a healthy season. There is a strong possibility that might factor into the outcome of LA and HOU's respective seasons in some way or another.

I hate that people bring up the health issue. In case you hadn't noticed, we have to hope for Manu to be healthy come playoff time...

[Joe Schmoogins]

It's a weaker team. Perhaps significantly so.

it's a stronger team. Perhaps significantly so.

[your_pimp]

Aren't you supposed to be practicing on your smack - go get back in front of that mirror and try again! You can do it - just stay focused this time.The truth hurts isn't it bitch? thIs not smack, but reality...

You team sucks

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Adds insult to injury.

Rockets steal Scola for us for a European player that doesn't want to play in the NBA.

They steal Batum, to trade him for Donte Greene to get Artest in this trade.

They steal Barry because we waited too long for Maggette to decide.

What's next? Robert Horry signs with thoe Rockets?

So what do we keep in return for all this, guys like Bonner, Finley and Vaughn.

Very depressing in my opinion.

Um, they didn't steal Barry from us, the Spurs front office let him go.

[Buddy Holly]

The truth hurts isn't it bitch? thIs not smack, but reality...

You team sucks

Wow.

The only true definition of loser. You.

[underdawg]

The truth hurts isn't it bitch? thIs not smack, but reality...

You team sucks

still not relevant, funny or entertaining - keep practicing

[NewJerSpur]

I hate that people bring up the health issue. In case you hadn't noticed, we have to hope for Manu to be healthy come playoff time...

"Hate" is such a strong word, but don't worry, I won't take it personally. The point I was bringing up regarding health, again, is that the Rockets have had and still have larger concers to the players that are supposed to anchor their team than the Spurs. Manu has a gimpy ankle he will be playing on this summer, but Yao and Tracy have had injuries that have ranged between nagging-severe in their most recent history....and Yao will be playing in the Olympics as well.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

threads like this are so lame. The rockets made a good trade. Thumbs up to them. They will be better, and closer to a contender. Fortunately, Ron Artest is not capable of taking a perennial one and done team to the promised land. However, he is capable of destroying a team. But some on this board seem a bit confused. Allow me to remind those who have forgotten...

the title of this thread is: Ron Artest set for deal to Rockets

the title of this thread is not: open forum to bash spurs fo because of something they couldn't control.

spurstalk poster is such a spoiled whiny baby.

Leave this place. If you don't like it, scroll.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The truth hurts isn't it bitch? thIs not smack, but reality...

You team sucks

:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

[ss1986v2]

The truth hurts isn't it bitch? thIs not smack, but reality...

You team sucks
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3739/120pxenglishmotherfuckeow6.gif

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"Hate" is such a strong word, but don't worry, I won't take it personally. The point I was bringing up regarding health, again, is that the Rockets have had and still have larger concers to the players that are supposed to anchor their team than the Spurs. Manu has a gimpy ankle he will be playing on this summer, but Yao and Tracy have had injuries that have ranged between nagging-severe in their most recent history....and Yao will be playing in the Olympics as well.

It wasn't a personal hatred of you.

It's a hatred of the several posts on this thread that state to the effect of 'well, can Bynum stay healthy. Well, can TMac and/or Yao stay healthy.'

Damn, we have had one playoff run essentially ended by a gimpy Manu (who is playing on said gimpy ankle this summer - wondering about the various Rocket china dolls rings a bit hollow, don't you think?), another by an injury to Tim Duncan.

Given our recent history with injuries to Tim and Manu, it's pretty ignorant to be pinning our hopes for the rest of the Tim Duncan era on the health of TMac, Yao, and Bynum. And that's not even touching on the Hornets.

Teams in the West are making notable and obvious moves to improve their team. And we'll probably re-sign that ancient piece of shit Michael Finley.

[ducks]

then maybe spurs should trade for players that stay healthy

[SequSpur]

then maybe spurs should trade for players that stay healthy

yeah good idea ducks.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

then maybe spurs should trade for players that stay healthy

:rolleyes Great, I wonder what we can get for Tim Duncan.

Didn't Tony miss some time due to injury? Trade your boy too!

Somehow, I'm not surprised you missed the point. But good job as usual with the hate. The Church of Manu has nothing on the resident French Fowl.

[NewJerSpur]

It wasn't a personal hatred of you.

It's a hatred of the several posts on this thread that state to the effect of 'well, can Bynum stay healthy. Well, can TMac and/or Yao stay healthy.'

Damn, we have had one playoff run essentially ended by a gimpy Manu (who is playing on said gimpy ankle this summer - wondering about the various Rocket china dolls rings a bit hollow, don't you think?), another by an injury to Tim Duncan.

Given our recent history with injuries to Tim and Manu, it's pretty ignorant to be pinning our hopes for the rest of the Tim Duncan era on the health of TMac, Yao, and Bynum. And that's not even touching on the Hornets.

Teams in the West are making notable and obvious moves to improve their team. And we'll probably re-sign that ancient piece of shit Michael Finley.

As I mentioned in another post (possibly in another thread), regardless of what happened to this point of Free Agency, the Spurs' most recent acquisitions have to contribute so the burden doesn't fall solely on the Big 3. I wasn't really trying to pin the team's hopes on injuries, just mentioning a very realistic possibility for the coming season which might have a say in how different moves work out for the teams in question.

As far as injuries go, for all of his talents, T-Mac is about as gimpy as they come. Between his nagging injuries and Yao's more severe one (that he continues to play on) it can have a impact on their team that might neutralize the effects to a degree of their offseason moves.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

i too hate all the talk about 'staying healthy'. Newsflash!! NBA PLAYERS GET HURT ALOT..... :lol

Id Nene was healthy the Nuggets would be much better but he hasn't been fully healthy for a full season yet, and probably won't be this season. It will be the same with Yao, Tmac, Bynum etc......... It is just something to accept instead of assuming they will suddenly have a fully healthy season.

[Ice009]

In the regular season, the Spurs shouldn't even play Manu against the Rockets. He'd take a couple years off of his life trying to score on both Artest and Battier at the same time. Those should be some automatic vacation games for Manu.

Damn the Rockets look like they've won their 12th paper championship. Luckily they only have two real championships to show for it. But WTF, how do they always end up with the fallen stars . . .

Man the Rockets are going to be freaking TOUGH. Who is going to score against them? Tim usually has bad games against Houston and so does TP. If I recall correctly usually Manu is the one for us that puts up the big numbers against the Rockets. Manu usually struggles against Ron unless he is 100%. When he's 100% he can do some stuff against him, but if he's even banged up a little he finds it real tough. This trade freaking sucks for what they had to give up to get him. If they gave up more I wouldn't be too worried about it, but it seems like they gave up peanuts.

[Buddy Holly]

Asking if Houston can remain healthy is a legitimate question, just from the stand point that their two best players are the poster boys for being injury prone. A year of age won't help them in that regard either.

[Ice009]

The Rockets still have to prove that health won't be a major issue for the larger pieces of their puzzle.

Well this is a Houston team that won 22 games in a row last season and this was with Ming out for over half those wins. Now add Ming and Artest to that. This Rockets team could be lethal. I don't know why people seem to think it's no big deal.

[NewJerSpur]

i too hate all the talk about 'staying healthy'. Newsflash!! NBA PLAYERS GET HURT ALOT..... :lol

Id Nene was healthy the Nuggets would be much better but he hasn't been fully healthy for a full season yet, and probably won't be this season. It will be the same with Yao, Tmac, Bynum etc......... It is just something to accept instead of assuming they will suddenly have a fully healthy season.

You hate the talk about staying healthy, but then you give an example of how you believe it can affect the outcome of a team's season? Not trying to jump on you, just trying to be clear.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

You hate the talk about staying healthy, but then you give an example of how you believe it can affect the outcome of a team's season? Not trying to jump on you, just trying to be clear.

what i'm trying to say is that i hate people saying 'if we were healthy we would have won, or will win, the NBA championship (or comments to that effect).

I used the Nene comment as an example. Of course he would make the nuggets better but i won't say 'if Nene is healthy' coz i know he may never be.

I'll accept the team's results as they happen and won't put any blame on injuries like so many people do. Most teams deal with the same thing and some are lucky to not have to

[NewJerSpur]

Well this is a Houston team that won 22 games in a row last season and this was with Ming out for over half those wins. Now add Ming and Artest to that. This Rockets team could be lethal. I don't know why people seem to think it's no big deal.

Didn't say the deal wouldn't be a good one if Artest turned out to be a good fit, but needs to prove that it can remain healthy IMO during critical stretches of the season and in the postseason. They might have been an even tougher out last year if Yao were playing and Raefer were ready to go when the playoffs started.

[NewJerSpur]

what i'm trying to say is that i hate people saying 'if we were healthy we would have won, or will win, the NBA championship (or comments to that effect).

I used the Nene comment as an example. Of course he would make the nuggets better but i won't say 'if Nene is healthy' coz i know he may never be.

I'll accept the team's results as they happen and won't put any blame on injuries like so many people do. Most teams deal with the same thing and some are lucky to not have to

I see where you are coming from, I just think what's being discussed is a different point of view. I'm not making excuses for Houston myself, I'm saying that injury is something that has a real possibility of altering their season if it rears its head again with regard to the team's leaders.

[nil.ball]

:lollol i am so happy you can trash my rockets anyway you want.

Let me see

Rockets 57-25, 1st round losing in game 6

Before

PG Rafer Alston / Bobby Jackson
SG Tracy McGrady / Luther Head
SF Shane Battier / Carl Landry
PF Luis Scola / Chuck Hayes
C Dikembe Mutombo / Steve Novak

After

PG Rafer Alston / Aaron Brooks
SG Tracy McGrady / Brent Barry
SF Ron Artest / Shane Battier / Maarty Leunen
PF Luis Scola / (Carl Landry) Chuck Hayes
C Yao Ming / Dekembe Mutombo / Joey Dorsey


Please trash the rockets all you want, you are not going to mess up my mood today.

[Buddy Holly]

:lollol i am so happy you can trash my rockets anyway you want.

Let me see

Rockets 57-25, 1st round losing in game 6

Before

PG Rafer Alston / Bobby Jackson
SG Tracy McGrady / Luther Head
SF Shane Battier / Carl Landry
PF Luis Scola / Chuck Hayes
C Dikembe Mutombo / Steve Novak

After

PG Rafer Alston / Aaron Brooks
SG Tracy McGrady / Brent Barry
SF Ron Artest / Shane Battier / Matt Lunent
PF Luis Scola / (Carl Landry) Chuck Hayes
C Yao Ming / Dekembe Mutombo / Joey Doresey


Please trash the rockets all you want, you are not going to mess up my mood today.

You should feel good now and for the next few weeks. But eventually reality will set in and the NBA season will start.

[nil.ball]

You should feel good now and for the next few weeks. But eventually reality will set in and the NBA season will start.

Cool
my 55 wins team + artest + brent barry + joey dorsey - bobby jackson, I don't know about you buddy. My reality looks pretty good, what about yours? Maybe you should stop being a homer and really looking at things in a more impartial manner?

[Indazone]

What the Spurs should do is fix their achilles heel at Center position and add a mobile shooter.

Make a trade and send Bonner and Oberto out. Bring in LaMarcus Aldridge or Pryzbilla or both. Not that Portland would go for that but for crying out loud. You can get a better center than Oberto. Shooters are easy to find. Mobile shooters really tough. But maybe you could go get yourself JJ Reddick who is still cheap after making the blockbuster trade for a good center. If you got Nene, you'd be better off but then Nene would cost ya 8-10 million a year. Wait come to think of it, Bonner and Oberto might just be able to get you a Nene.

[Banzai]

:lollol i am so happy you can trash my rockets anyway you want.

Let me see

Rockets 57-25, 1st round losing in game 6

Before

PG Rafer Alston / Bobby Jackson
SG Tracy McGrady / Luther Head
SF Shane Battier / Carl Landry
PF Luis Scola / Chuck Hayes
C Dikembe Mutombo / Steve Novak

After

PG Rafer Alston / Aaron Brooks
SG Tracy McGrady / Brent Barry
SF Ron Artest / Shane Battier / Maarty Leunen
PF Luis Scola / (Carl Landry) Chuck Hayes
C Yao Ming / Dekembe Mutombo / Joey Dorsey


Please trash the rockets all you want, you are not going to mess up my mood today.

Of course not....would be great to see T-Mac finally make it out of the first round.

[Buddy Holly]

Cool
my 55 wins team + artest + brent barry + joey dorsey - bobby jackson, I don't know about you buddy. My reality looks pretty good, what about yours? Maybe you should stop being a homer and really looking at things in a more impartial manner?

Your 55 win team? lol

When did you buy the Rockets?

You're almost forgetting some fluke winning steak that saved "your" team from missing the playoffs.

So let's put aside said fluke streak.

Adding Barry is no big whoop. You'll come to see that.

Joey Dorsey.. really, you're reduced to pimping him?

Artest, now that's something to hype.

Though again, reality will set in. He may either be a good thing for the Rockets or a bad thing. Can McGrady stay healthy? Can Yao, especially after playing in the Olympics, stay healthy?

[nil.ball]

Of course not....:lol I'd be happy to of having the chance of getting out of the first round.

Out of first round sounds really good honestly, I mean look at those rankings currently posted on this forum, we should be lucky to be a #5 seeds. I mean winning the first round as underdog? I mean I will take that anyday of the week!
:lol

[Kai]

When you are named a finals MVP yeah you are not just like any other player.

Truly agree

Signed,
Deion "Big Star" Branch

JK JK. Tony Parker is truly a big time player who is a top 5 player at his position, but is the consensus around here that Tony Parker is of the same echelon as Tim and Manu? I personally wouldn't think so, but I haven't watched him over the years like you spurs fans.

[nil.ball]

Your 55 win team? lol

When did you buy the Rockets?

You're almost forgetting some fluke winning steak that saved "your" team from missing the playoffs.

So let's put aside said fluke streak.

Adding Barry is no big whoop. You'll come to see that.

Joey Dorsey.. really, you're reduced to pimping him?

Artest, now that's something to hype.

Though again, reality will set in. He may either be a good thing for the Rockets or a bad thing. Can McGrady stay healthy? Can Yao, especially after playing in the Olympics, stay healthy?

Man, what do you have? Mason>Artest? Hill>Dorsey+Barry? I mean are we talking about Grant Hill? I don't know dude, we are adding yao+artest+dorsey+barry to a team that lost the game 6 in the first round. I think we ought to be pretty happy ain't we?

Maybe you should quit being a hater? Can Duncan stay healthy can manu be healthy can tp be healthy is pop going to have skin cancer? give me a break.

[leemajors]

Cool
my 55 wins team + artest + brent barry + joey dorsey - bobby jackson, I don't know about you buddy. My reality looks pretty good, what about yours? Maybe you should stop being a homer and really looking at things in a more impartial manner?

your pgs still suck, and your frontcourt is thin. but the artest trade is a good one for the rock-ettes.

[nil.ball]

your pgs still suck, and your frontcourt is thin. but the artest trade is a good one for the rock-ettes.

might you please enlighten me and compare your frontcourt to our frontcourt?

[Indazone]

Agree that our guards still suck. We are set at shooting guard. Could use a CP3 type player and then we'd be all set.

[leemajors]

might you please enlighten me and compare your frontcourt to our frontcourt?

ours is thin too?

[nil.ball]

Which stage are you in? (http://changingminds.org/disciplines/change_management/kubler_ross/denial_stage.htm)

[Indazone]

Although with Adleman's offense, the PG might not be all that important. Just that first initial pass.

[nil.ball]

ours is thin too?

so your point is? we can win 4 championships in the next 9 years with a thin frontcourt? Okay.. i ll take it

[ducks]

I wonder what ron's new contract will look like

[ducks]

you know ron will want a contract extension to feel wanted

[Buddy Holly]

Man, what do you have? Mason>Artest? Hill>Dorsey+Barry? I mean are we talking about Grant Hill? I don't know dude, we are adding yao+artest+dorsey+barry to a team that lost the game 6 in the first round. I think we ought to be pretty happy ain't we?

Fuck, what's with your grammar man?

Artest is better than Mason. Where did you get the impression I thought otherwise? And where the fuck did I make any comparison with the Spurs?

Spurs don't need big blockbuster trades to improve their team. They have Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker.

That'd be like the Rockets having Yao, TMac and Artest and then making a trade for a Artest like player.

Also, Joey fucking Dorsey has yet to plan an NBA game and is a second round pick who's only noticeable accomplishment so far is getting ejected from a summer league game while in street clothes and costing his team the game.



Maybe you should quit being a hater? Can Duncan stay healthy can manu be healthy can tp be healthy is pop going to have skin cancer? give me a break.

A hater, fuck off rookie. This is a trade that will make the west tougher. But don't come over here on some fantasy cloud gloating and not expect to get kicked the fuck back down to planet earth.

[Tmac&Luther]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if another team tries to swoop in with a better deal. It's no secret this got leaked out today, the Kings want maximum value.

Bobby Jackson, 1st rounder, and Donta Greene really isn't much of an offer for Artest.

WRONG, the leak came from the Houston Chronicle, not Sactown. It's pretty much a done deal, both teams have signed off and agreed (The kings are VERY high on Donte, they want him), all they are waiting for is for the 30 day limit to pass on Donte's signing date, because it is against the CBA for him to be moved before that.

[leemajors]

so your point is? we can win 4 championships in the next 9 years with a thin frontcourt? Okay.. i ll take it

check yourself, scrub. i wasn't comparing frontcourts, but you asked. yours is thin. so is ours. it's not rocket science.

[Buddy Holly]

might you please enlighten me and compare your frontcourt to our frontcourt?

I'll assume you have no idea what a front court is. Well, it's your 3/4/5.

Rockets have:

Yao/Cookie Monster
Scola/Hayes
Artest/Battier


Spurs have:

Thomas/Oberto
Duncan/Ian/Bonner
Bowen/Udoka/Gist

[Tmac&Luther]

The 3rd best team in Texas makes a strong push to move past the 1st round.

Third best team in Texas? :rolleyes Houston wasn't even the worst team in Texas, before they added Artest. This moves gives them a realistic shot at being the best team in Texas.........and that's saying something.

[DaDakota]

Rockets have:

Yao/Dorsey
Scola/Landry/Hayes

Spurs:

Thomas/Oberto
Duncan/Ian/Bonner

Looks about even to me.

DD

[Buddy Holly]

Looks about even to me.

DD

Recheck that.

[knee-knee-3]

If the Artest trade doesn't pan out, will Rockets fans finally concede that the T-Mac/Yao duo was an absolute bust?

[rj215]

1. The Rockets will be unbelievable next season....for the 30 games that Yao, TMac and Artest are healthy.

2. They'll probably win 55 games....and then lose in the playoffs to a team with a better coach (Spurs, Lakers, Hornets, Jazz).

3. They'll keep Artest happy.....until he realizes that they'll never give him the money he thinks he's worth.

4. The Suns and their fans suck....just thought I'd throw that in there.

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:

[Kai]

you know ron will want a contract extension to feel wanted

Yes, but that probably wont happen until next offseason. We have his bird rights, so if we don't want to re-sign him, we can do a S&T.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Asking if Houston can remain healthy is a legitimate question, just from the stand point that their two best players are the poster boys for being injury prone. A year of age won't help them in that regard either.

Stick to housing developments. Spurs have the same questions, and less proven depth at this point than Houston.

[anakha]

I predict a gloating Louis appearance in the next hour or so.


Another team that gets a lot better than the overrated Spurs..LOL

The Rockets with this trade become automatic contenders for the title..

The Spurs on the other hand waiting for their "master plan" in 2010 LOL :rollin

Losers!!!

:hat

[Roxsfan]

splash,

the only thing haters can do is hope someone gets hurt on the rox, b/c that's the only thing that can stop them.

[rj215]

splash,

the only thing haters can do is hope someone gets hurt on the rox, b/c that's the only thing that can stop them.

Don't forget Adelman.....he's stupid.

[Buddy Holly]

Stick to housing developments. Spurs have the same questions, and less proven depth at this point than Houston.

You read post and then decided to respond with that? Wow.

Where do I even mention the Spurs?

I simply said to people crying about bringing up Health and Rockets in the same sentence that there's a valid reason.

When your two best players average in the 50's and 60's respectively the last three seasons, well guess what, no matter your profession, whether that be in real estate or as a lonely internet forum poster (cough-ahf-cough), bringing that up is appropriate.

[knee-knee-3]

splash,

the only thing haters can do is hope someone gets hurt on the rox, b/c that's the only thing that can stop them.

You do seem pretty daunting. Just pray that you don't land the Utah Jazz in next year's first round! :rollin

[Buddy Holly]

splash,

the only thing haters can do is hope someone gets hurt on the rox, b/c that's the only thing that can stop them.

That or having McGrady on your tea.... oops.

[JBIIRockets]

The great part about all of this is that I'd say there's still a 80%-95% chance the rockets don't make it out of the first round.

Puhleeze. All TMAC has to do is breathe and the Rockets will get out.

[Buddy Holly]

So TMAC has not taken a breath in 4 years?

[Tmac&Luther]

Don't forget Adelman.....he's stupid.

How the hell is Adelman stupid? It's fcuking stupid to say something like that....he's a excellent coach and has coached some great teams. (if it wasn't for the worst officiated game in league history he would also already have his ring).

[Tmac&Luther]

Recheck that.

Recheck what, right now our front courts are pretty much even, if Landry resigns Houston would have the better front court and one of the best front courts in the league. Scola was a fantastic addition.

[Buddy Holly]

Recheck what, right now our front courts are pretty much even, if Landry resigns Houston would have the better front court and one of the best front courts in the league. Scola was a fantastic addition.

Recheck the post because I wasn't finished. I had yet to add the threes.

[knee-knee-3]

So TMAC has not taken a breath in 4 years?

Come to think of it, he did seem to need CPR in the fourth quarters of last year's series against the Jazz.

[robbie380]

Recheck that.

maybe you can explain why it should be rechecked....

just saw the edit....now it looks pretty biased in the rockets favor when healthy :pctoss

[Tmac&Luther]

Recheck the post because I wasn't finished. I had yet to add the threes.

Artest/Battier/Barry is pretty stacked also, especially since McGrady can also play the 3.

[Kai]

You do seem pretty daunting. Just pray that you don't land the Utah Jazz in next year's first round! :rollin

Actually, I'm praying that we do land the Utah Jazz in next year's first round.

[Buddy Holly]

Artest/Battier/Barry is pretty stacked also, especially since McGrady can also play the 3.

You're seriously putting Barry at the three? :lol

He's not a three, never been a three. He's a 2 who can play the 1.

[DaDakota]

Actually, I'm praying that we do land the Utah Jazz in next year's first round.

Nah,

Utah won't finish 8th in the conference.

:D

DD

[robbie380]

Come to think of it, he did seem to need CPR in the fourth quarters of last year's series against the Jazz.

i know t-mac totally sucked last year's playoffs. 27 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 6.8 apg, 1.5 spg, and .8 bpg really sucks. :rolleyes i know his percentages were terrible 42% fg%, 62% ft%, and 21% 3pt% but the guy busted his ass that series. and being the leading scorer, assist man, and rebounder really showed how hard he choked in game 6:rolleyes

[knee-knee-3]

Nah,

Utah won't finish 8th in the conference.

:D

DD

Love the optimism. Are you my stockbroker?

[nil.ball]

Mavs in the first round, Jazz in the second and Spurs in the 3rd round.