Spurs May Sign Pargo...

[Spur-Addict]

He changed avatars?

Look up

[DPG21920]

It was a joke!

[Spur-Addict]

It was a joke!

My bad, I didn't catch the sarcasm.

[DPG21920]

Doesn't translate in text sometimes

[AFBlue]

If this deal goes down I think it signals two things....

1) Hill is not ready - I doubt they let Hill go or don't sign him, but he'll likely spend the entire year in Austin, barring injury in the backcourt.

2) Vaughn is gone - No way the Spurs keep that many diminutive guards on the roster. And if they do, I don't think Vaughn will see the court unless there's a 30 point blowout either way.

All in all, I'd be very pleased with the signing. It should provide the scoring punch that's been lacking from the backup PG spot for a couple seasons and give time for George Hill to get comfortable. In fact, I think it might help George Hill to watch how Pargo operates in the Spurs offense because his role in the future is likely to be the same.

I wonder how the money issue is going to work out, because it's clear Pargo is looking for more money than he left on the table to re-sign with the Hornets. However it happens, I hope it happens.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I agree with the above, about Jacque Vaughn all but gone if Pargo comes. I kinda feel bad for Jacque, he really grew on me during his time here, becoming a favorite of mine. Hopefully he stays on the roster, but more as a player-coach like Lindsey Hunter with the Pistons.

[DPG21920]

If this deal goes down I think it signals two things....

1) Hill is not ready - I doubt they let Hill go or don't sign him, but he'll likely spend the entire year in Austin, barring injury in the backcourt.

2) Vaughn is gone - No way the Spurs keep that many diminutive guards on the roster. And if they do, I don't think Vaughn will see the court unless there's a 30 point blowout either way.

All in all, I'd be very pleased with the signing. It should provide the scoring punch that's been lacking from the backup PG spot for a couple seasons and give time for George Hill to get comfortable. In fact, I think it might help George Hill to watch how Pargo operates in the Spurs offense because his role in the future is likely to be the same.

I wonder how the money issue is going to work out, because it's clear Pargo is looking for more money than he left on the table to re-sign with the Hornets. However it happens, I hope it happens.
Currently signed with a contract onto the Spurs roster:

PG: Parker/Vaughn/
SG: Ginobili/Mason/
SF: Bowen/Udoka/
PF: Duncan/Bonner/Tolliver/
C: Oberto/Thomas/Mahinmi

Is this correct? If so, are you happy with it or what would you like to see changed? Please keep the irrational "trade Ginobili" or "trade Duncan" crap out of here.


Well then the question you have to ask is:

Is Parker/Vaughn/Pargo or Parker/Pargo/Hill much better than Parker/Vaughn/Hill? Especially when considering you could use the money from Pargo to add to the SF/PF spot where there is seemingly more need.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Especially when considering you could use the money from Pargo to add to the SF/PF spot where there is seemingly more need.

Not saying you're wrong or anything, but don't forget that whatever we sign Pargo to, we'll have that same amount still left from either the MLE or LLE, whichever they don't sign Pargo with. If they're looking at stabilizing the small forward or bigman spot, they'll have another chance at it.

[AFBlue]

Is Parker/Vaughn/Pargo or Parker/Pargo/Hill much better than Parker/Vaughn/Hill? Especially when considering you could use the money from Pargo to add to the SF/PF spot where there is seemingly more need.

IMO, Pargo is better than any SF/PF option the Spurs have a shot at with the same money.

He has the chance to come in and play some meaningful minutes behind Parker. I think if he plays well enough he might also be able to steal some minutes at SG.

So yes, I think the roster with Pargo is much stronger than the roster without....regardless of whether that buys you a SF/PF. BTW, do you have a SF/PF in mind that could be had for $2M? Just curious...

[DPG21920]

True, but assuming they sign Pargo and Hill that would leave us with only one roster spot to: find someone who can score at the 3 because we only have Bowen/Udoka outside of small ball line-ups and find someone besides an unproven Tolliver, dog house Bonner and rookie Ian to back up Tim.

For the amount of money the Spurs have (LLE and MLE) Pargo is about as good as you can expect to get, so maybe they are just going on value at this point. It just creates a log jam of sorts if they do not rid themselves of Vaughn or Hill in some way, shape or form.

[DPG21920]

IMO, Pargo is better than any SF/PF option the Spurs have a shot at with the same money.

He has the chance to come in and play some meaningful minutes behind Parker. I think if he plays well enough he might also be able to steal some minutes at SG.

So yes, I think the roster with Pargo is much stronger than the roster without....regardless of whether that buys you a SF/PF. BTW, do you have a SF/PF in mind that could be had for $2M? Just curious...

I was thinking more along the lines of acquiring through a trade.

[AFBlue]

I agree with the above, about Jacque Vaughn all but gone if Pargo comes. I kinda feel bad for Jacque, he really grew on me during his time here, becoming a favorite of mine. Hopefully he stays on the roster, but more as a player-coach like Lindsey Hunter with the Pistons.

I like Jacque as a professional and think he improved as much as a 30+ year old veteran could....

Having said that, if he's not going to be playing except in very limited minutes I would rather the Spurs use his roster spot to sign and develop a young talent.

[AFBlue]

I was thinking more along the lines of acquiring through a trade.

If it's through trade then I don't see how a Pargo signing impacts, with his spot or his contract $$.

The assumption there is that an inbound player means one or more is likely to be outbound...whether via the trade itself, a seperate trade, or waiving.

[Spooky]

I Think Gist has the potential our third SF. He can be put in against big SF's this year. He showed nice shooting touch in the SL. I like his athletesim.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Just Say No to Jannero
by Matthew Powell on Aug 5, 2008 7:09 PM CDT

(Thanks to PtR member znimrod for the heads up on this.)

That is unequivocally the lamest title I've ever blogged.

I do not want Jannero Pargo on the Spurs. Why, you ask? Because he sucks. The less sucky players, the better. That's what I think. Call me crazy.

Why does he suck? He averages less assists per 48 minutes than Tony Parker. He's a career 39.5% shooter from the field. He's a career 36.5% shooter from 3. You know how many players shot better than 36.5% from 3 last year?

65. They're not hard to find.

His TS% last year was 46.8%. That is absolutely pathetic. You know who posted better numbers last year?

Jacque Vaughn.

No, I'm not making that up.

Jannero Pargo is going to get paid millions a year for multiple years. You can shake a NBDL team a couple Jannero Pargos will fall out. He's a replacement level talent, and the fact the Spurs are even thinking about him makes me sad and frustrated.

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2008/8/5/587518/just-say-no-to-jannero

[Bruno]

It's quite a strange rumor.
Spurs also haven't sign Hill, you add to include that in an analysis of this.
You can come with some theory :
- Spurs didn't like what they saw from Hill in SL and want another backup PG.
- Spurs have received a good offer for Hill. They want to get anotehr backup PG before trading him.

Given that Hill has been less than stellar in SL, I guess that the correct answer is that Spurs didn't think that Hill can be a good backup PG. It doens't look good for him and Spurs' scouting ability.

[T Park]

Spurs have received a good offer for Hill. They want to get anotehr backup PG before trading him.



Eh, I find it hard to believe after his showing at the Summer League.

[Biggems]

How about keep all 4.

Parker, Pargo, Vaughn

Send Hill to the DLeague for the year to get lots of playing time and seasoning as PG in the Spurs system. Then when Pargo and Vaughn are gone next season, bring Hill in to backup Tony.

[peacemaker885]

How about keep all 4.

Parker, Pargo, Vaughn

Send Hill to the DLeague for the year to get lots of playing time and seasoning as PG in the Spurs system. Then when Pargo and Vaughn are gone next season, bring Hill in to backup Tony.

As somebody already posted, we would probably one of the shortest teams in the league. GO MICROBALL!!

[timvp]

Ya, but as mentioned before, what does that mean for Hill or Vaughn and what about the other positions where the Spurs lack depth (3/4)?If the Spurs are going after Pargo, that means they think he is better than Hill and Vaughn. If you can improve for less than $2M/year, you do it. And like others have said, signing Pargo doesn't really affect the ability to add a 3/4 if one becomes available that could help.


If we can somehow trade Vaughn and end up with a Parker/Pargo/Hill 1 spot, then that is nice.Trading Vaughn is one option. But the Spurs could always just release him and eat his minimum contract. No biggie.

Bottomline is that Pargo can help bring the scoring the Spurs lack. In this situation, it's add him and then worry about the consequences later.

[AFBlue]

It's quite a strange rumor.
Spurs also haven't sign Hill, you add to include that in an analysis of this.
You can come with some theory :
- Spurs didn't like what they saw from Hill in SL and want another backup PG.
- Spurs have received a good offer for Hill. They want to get anotehr backup PG before trading him.

Given that Hill has been less than stellar in SL, I guess that the correct answer is that Spurs didn't think that Hill can be a good backup PG. It doens't look good for him and Spurs' scouting ability.

It's simple...

They needed more offensive production from their backup PG and Vaughn couldn't deliver for them. Spurs were so unhappy with this lack of production that they went for Barry and Ginobili as backup PGs in the playoffs.

They were looking to upgrade this summer and had high hopes that George Hill could be that guy. Unfortunately, George Hill proved in the summer leage that he wasn't up to the task...at least not yet.

So the Spurs are searching for another guy (not named Vaughn) who can give them offensive production at the backup PG.

Pargo is that guy.

[edgar]

Uh anyone got any news on pargo as of late?

Its been quite a while since we last heard from him...


Oh and im a newbie..just exited to post my first post and im looking forward to the experience and challenges that this forum will bring on to me!!! :bang

[urunobili]

Uh anyone got any news on pargo as of late?

Its been quite a while since we last heard from him...


Oh and im a newbie..just exited to post my first post and im looking forward to the experience and challenges that this forum will bring on to me!!! :bang

welcome to the board!

[edgar]

welcome to the board!

Thank You!!! Im exited :wakeup

[AFBlue]

Uh anyone got any news on pargo as of late?

Its been quite a while since we last heard from him...


Oh and im a newbie..just exited to post my first post and im looking forward to the experience and challenges that this forum will bring on to me!!! :bang

Probably won't be any news for a while...but your best bet is to Google "Jannero Pargo", go to the "News" tab, and select "Sort by Date". That should give you the latest and greatest.

Things tend to go slow in the off-season and I doubt there's any credibility to the rumor that there is already a contract in place or workings of a contract.

They've had discussions with his agent, so we should take that as a positive sign that there's mutual interest. If no other team swoops in with a big offer (would likely have done so already), the Spurs have a good shot at retaining Pargo's services for the next year or two....but it'll likely take some time.

[Brutalis]

Thank You!!! Im exited :wakeup

Welcome.

[Bruno]

It's simple...

They needed more offensive production from their backup PG and Vaughn couldn't deliver for them. Spurs were so unhappy with this lack of production that they went for Barry and Ginobili as backup PGs in the playoffs.

They were looking to upgrade this summer and had high hopes that George Hill could be that guy. Unfortunately, George Hill proved in the summer leage that he wasn't up to the task...at least not yet.



It' not that simple.

Spurs have drafted a PG, said that they were thrilled to get one and that he could help them as soon as his rookie year.
If one month after, they come to the conclusion that he sucked, Spurs have a serious trouble in the scouting area.

Pargo is 28 years old. We will see what kind of contract he gets with Spurs (if he signs here).
If it's a short term contract, it could make sense as a stop gap waiting that Hill mature.
If it isn't the case, I will be really puzzled about Spurs' FO level.

[AFBlue]

It' not that simple.

Spurs have drafted a PG, said that they were thrilled to get one and that he could help them as soon as his rookie year.
If one month after, they come to the conclusion that he sucked, Spurs have a serious trouble in the scouting area.

Pargo is 28 years old. We will see what kind of contract he gets with Spurs (if he signs here).
If it's a short term contract, it could make sense as a stop gap waiting that Hill mature.
If it isn't the case, I will be really puzzled about Spurs' FO level.

I don't think they came to the conclusion that he sucks.

I think they came to the conclusion that he was a work-in-progress and they needed to find a more immediate solution, because they weren't going to go through another year with Vaughn as the primary backup.

[T Park]

hopefully this isn't another maggette Using another team to up the money from someone else.

[edgar]

Probably won't be any news for a while...but your best bet is to Google "Jannero Pargo", go to the "News" tab, and select "Sort by Date". That should give you the latest and greatest.

Things tend to go slow in the off-season and I doubt there's any credibility to the rumor that there is already a contract in place or workings of a contract.

They've had discussions with his agent, so we should take that as a positive sign that there's mutual interest. If no other team swoops in with a big offer (would likely have done so already), the Spurs have a good shot at retaining Pargo's services for the next year or two....but it'll likely take some time.

I remember getting this exited about aquiring the servies of Correy Maggette..hopefully this time timmy's words of wisdom to Correy have really hit hard on any other free agents that may want to cock tease us... :depressed

[duncan228]

..hopefully this time timmy's words of wisdom to Correy have really hit hard on any other free agents that may want to cock tease us... :depressed

These words?

"Tim Duncan wished me well, and told me not to take my whippin' personally," Maggette said.

[AFBlue]

hopefully this isn't another maggette Using another team to up the money from someone else.

Thing is, Pargo has been on the market for a while now and no team has come out with a big-time offer.

This appears to be similar to the Udoka situation where Spurs show interest but don't have the resources and/or aren't willing to overpay.

So they wait it out and eventually the FA agrees to sign with them. The only issue I see is that the Spurs can't offer substantially more than NO without a sign-and-trade, so Pargo may just opt to do the "loyal" thing and stick with the Hornets.

Bottom Line: At this point it appears the Hornets are the Spurs only real competition for his services.

[timvp]

It' not that simple.

Spurs have drafted a PG, said that they were thrilled to get one and that he could help them as soon as his rookie year.
If one month after, they come to the conclusion that he sucked, Spurs have a serious trouble in the scouting area.

Pargo is 28 years old. We will see what kind of contract he gets with Spurs (if he signs here).
If it's a short term contract, it could make sense as a stop gap waiting that Hill mature.
If it isn't the case, I will be really puzzled about Spurs' FO level.Yeah, it is pretty damn puzzling. When the Spurs drafted Hill, they thought he'd be a shoot-first type scoring point. Turns out he's not a scorer at all. He's more like a longer version of Vaughn.

The Spurs have been linked to enough backup point guards that I think that they actually have turned the page on the idea that Hill will be able to step in and play backup point right away. I guess its not horrible if it just means Hill will spend a year in Austin and eventually turn into a player. But if he is a Marcus Williams level bust, the Spurs better consider bringing in a domestic scout that knows what he's doing .... someone like Isaiah Thomas.

:hat

[AFBlue]

I remember getting this exited about aquiring the servies of Correy Maggette..hopefully this time timmy's words of wisdom to Correy have really hit hard on any other free agents that may want to cock tease us... :depressed

Don't get yourself all spun up....it's still just "interest" and anything beyond that is rumor.

Besides, he's not going to get some high-dollar, multi-year deal this off-season. If he were going to get one it would've happened already.

[ShoogarBear]

Jannero Pargo does not give me a warm fuzzy.

And the Spurs chasing him is a tacit admission that drafting Hill was a mistake.

[hater]

Pargo is coming to the Spurs.

so let's see...
Guards:
TP, Manu, Mason, Pargo, Finley?, Vaughn
Forwards:
Duncan, Bowen, Udoka, Gist?
Centers:
Thomas, Oberto, Mahinnmi, Tolliver?

I think it's pretty decent start of next season. Let's see what happens after that.

[AFBlue]

Yeah, it is pretty damn puzzling. When the Spurs drafted Hill, they thought he'd be a shoot-first type scoring point. Turns out he's not a scorer at all. He's more like a longer version of Vaughn.

:hat

Just my opinion...but I don't think Hill could get out of his own damn way during the Summer League games.

I think he was all out of sorts over how he should play and what his role should be that it got him all twisted.

I've said it before....if the Spurs bring in Pargo and he plays his game, it should serve as a good baseline for what the Spurs want from Hill and hopefully he's able to get it.

Now whether he can deliver once he understands his role and executes...that's another story.

[baseline bum]

Jannero Pargo does not give me a warm fuzzy.

And the Spurs chasing him is a tacit admission that drafting Hill was a mistake.

Better late than never. In the last 10 drafts we've drafted two rotation players: Tony and Manu.... and those were 8 and 10 drafts ago. :(

[AFBlue]

Jannero Pargo does not give me a warm fuzzy.

And the Spurs chasing him is a tacit admission that drafting Hill was a mistake.

The mistake may have been thinking that he could come in and immediately contribute, but I don't think it's an admission that the pick was a failure.

And I'm not saying that you're calling it a failure, just giving my opinion.

[ShoogarBear]

The mistake may have been thinking that he could come in and immediately contribute, but I don't think it's an admission that the pick was a failure.

And I'm not saying that you're calling it a failure, just giving my opinion.

Yep, it may work out in the long run, but they clearly why they drafted him where they did.

[Biggems]

Yeah, it is pretty damn puzzling. When the Spurs drafted Hill, they thought he'd be a shoot-first type scoring point. Turns out he's not a scorer at all. He's more like a longer version of Vaughn.

The Spurs have been linked to enough backup point guards that I think that they actually have turned the page on the idea that Hill will be able to step in and play backup point right away. I guess its not horrible if it just means Hill will spend a year in Austin and eventually turn into a player. But if he is a Marcus Williams level bust, the Spurs better consider bringing in a domestic scout that knows what he's doing .... someone like Isaiah Thomas.

:hat

I would love to have Thomas in our scouting dept. He may be a horrible GM, but he is excellent at evaluating talent.

[ShoogarBear]

Hill has to be a better scorer than he showed in the Summer League, so I wouldn't put him down as a longer version of Vaughn (I know you were kidding). My biggest concern was that he wasn't a point guard in college, and you can't just tell a guy "you're too short to be a 2, so now you're the point". On the positive side, he actually did show some potential at being a guy who could be a reasonable backup PG, though not a great playmaker.

[NewJerSpur]

I like Pargo...I like him a lot. I'll like him even more if he doesn't re-sign with New Orleans. He was on my FA wishlist along with KT and Matt Barnes and on my radar back when he played in LA. Should be very interesting to see how this thing plays out.

[Russ]

Drive for show, put for dough.

Every year in June fans focus on the draft and 2-3 free agents and then fall asleep.

But these last few moves are where the bargains come. When championship rosters are pieced together, under the radar like always. :)

[AC#21_TD ERA]

If this signing means i dont see the Garbage Truck Vaughn on the court again then pull the trigger. Pargo is an agressive scoring PG that we need and that we've been lacking this type of a back up PG for years. GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, FUCK HEAD GARBAGE VAUGHN!

[xtremesteven33]

if we can get Pargo we will be set for another championship run for sure.

additions of Mason Jr,Pargo, Mahimni and Gist definitely helps us this next coming year.

not that Pargo is great or anything but we know the kid can score and defend very well.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, FUCK HEAD GARBAGE VAUGHN!
We all know you're not talking to Vaughn, so why try?

[wisnub]

Sign him....at least he's better than JV. Sign both him and Finley,coz we got no one else to sign......only garbage players

[AC#21_TD ERA]

We all know you're not talking to Vaughn, so why try?

I guess frustation and anger gets the better of ya, and sometimes i cant controll it, so i cant help it. Your right in a way JV isn't even worth talking about.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Your right in a way JV isn't even worth talking about.
Jacque Vaughn is cool. He's the best 3rd string point guard in the NBA.

[Solid D]

Denver is also interested in him. They can afford Pargo more than they can afford J.R. Smith. Hmmm....

[xtremesteven33]

Denver is also interested in him. They can afford Pargo more than they can afford J.R. Smith. Hmmm....



good point!


and JR Smith says he would like to sign with the spurs.....haha denver will sign JR for sure.

[DROB4EVER]

He would be a good pick up, a guy who can play the 1 and 2, solid defender and can shoot the 3. He can score points very quickly and we need that off the bench. Would even allow Pops to maybe give tony a game off every now and then to keep him fresh for the playoffs.

I hope this happens he is only 28 and comming into his prime. A hard worker and a team guy. He has shown some tuffness to!

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Cool.

+ He has some balls, and will take big shots. Which is cool. He has a little SJax in him.
+ Plays tough D.
+ Doesn't have a big ego.


He should fit right in. I like it.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Jannero Pargo does not give me a warm fuzzy.

And the Spurs chasing him is a tacit admission that drafting Hill was a mistake.

*ding ding ding*

And that is precisely why all this pargo talk makes me fucking sick to my stomach.
Not only is the possibility of us nabbing Pargo below 50%, but no matter what happens, its already a given fact that Hill was a mistake. Jesus titty F'n Bajeezus, this draft situation extends for the 5th straight year. Like I said earlier in this thread, yet another notch in what is easily the worst offseason in the Tim Duncan Era.

Best way to get better after getting rid of your old guys :smokin

[T Park]

I'm just curious if Mahinmi turns out to be good won't that put a damper in your arguement sunshine? George hill hasn't played minute one and u duck nuts have already written him off. Great take there skippy.

[The Truth #6]

This does look more likely than the Maggette signing but in no way would I be surprised if Pargo signs somewhere else.

So what happens if we don't sign him? Does the FO play Hill as the backup? As if his confidence was shaken enough from the scorching drought of Las Vegas. He plays good defense and can't score - I would think he would fit right in with the rest of the team. Joking...

Also, I'm very curious about how these things drag out. I can only hope that the hang up to signing Pargo right now is not that Pargo is going to get more money from someone else but that the Spurs are trying to make sure they can dump Bonner and Vaughn on someone else before they get Pargo to sign. However, these things all happening at the same time is probably too much to hope for from the FO. Based on past results, they have little tendency to do more than one thing at once.

[ceperez]

This does look more likely than the Maggette signing but in no way would I be surprised if Pargo signs somewhere else.

So what happens if we don't sign him? Does the FO play Hill as the backup? As if his confidence was shaken enough from the scorching drought of Las Vegas. He plays good defense and can't score - I would think he would fit right in with the rest of the team. Joking...

Also, I'm very curious about how these things drag out. I can only hope that the hang up to signing Pargo right now is not that Pargo is going to get more money from someone else but that the Spurs are trying to make sure they can dump Bonner and Vaughn on someone else before they get Pargo to sign. However, these things all happening at the same time is probably too much to hope for from the FO. Based on past results, they have little tendency to do more than one thing at once.

Everyone keeps assuming that we are even interested in Pargo. It's all just rumor at this point. Pargo's agent may just be playing a game to drum up excitement for his product.

At this point, until will sign Pargo, we best assume that George Hill is our man!

[DPG21920]

The point I was trying to make was that if we do indeed sign Pargo, that is a great value signing which is why I think the Spurs would be interested. If they do not either cut or trade Vaughn or Hill then it will create a log jam that will make things hard to fill the two other needs this team has: a scoring 3 and another backup 4/5. If Pargo is signed that would give the Spurs 13 roster spots filled with Hill unsigned. You would assume they would sign Hill if he is not involved in a trade. That would give us 14 spots. Which is what I meant about the money used to sign Pargo would effect the other spots because instead of using the 2 exceptions to fill the 3/4/5 needs and just rolling with Parker/Hill/Vaughn we would only have 1 roster spot and exception to use to fill what I think is two holes on the roster.

[DPG21920]

I think they are just trying to get the best value for their money at this point if this is true. It is not a lack of confidence in Hill, imo.

I would rather have the Spanoulis rumor be true and get him, but that sounds like complete b.s.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I'm just curious if Mahinmi turns out to be good won't that put a damper in your arguement sunshine? George hill hasn't played minute one and u duck nuts have already written him off. Great take there skippy.

Pop always likes four point guards duck nuts great take, oh yeah, skippy.

[T Park]

Pop always likes four point guards duck nuts great take, oh yeah, skippy.


He did last season.

[knee-knee-3]

I'd like to see Hill play in Austin and Vaughn play somewhere else. Mason can always run the point for a few minutes if we really need it.

[T Park]

:lol

Vaughn isn't going anywhere haters, so just chill out and suck it up.

[knee-knee-3]

:lol

Vaughn isn't going anywhere haters, so just chill out and suck it up.

I hate Bonner, not Vaughn. Vaughn won't get any meaningful minutes whether we sign Pargo or not, so no big deal.

[The Truth #6]

Vaughn is already a wasted roster spot. If there are 4 point guards and Hill is the last option, then that is sad. Can we get Vaughn a tractor dealership and let him retire, and if things are so bad by April, then resign him to the playoff roster?

If Hill is on the Toros next year, then the only championship we're going to win is in the developmental league. I'm not saying Hill has earned any PT yet, but burying him behind Vaughn seems wrong. If Hill has to learn to be a pro by playing in the Toros, yes, it could pay off down the road but down the road, for a team this old, is driving off the cliff.

[knee-knee-3]

Vaughn is already a wasted roster spot. If there are 4 point guards and Hill is the last option, then that is sad. Can we get Vaughn a tractor dealership and let him retire, and if things are so bad by April, then resign him to the playoff roster?

If Hill is on the Toros next year, then the only championship we're going to win is in the developmental league. I'm not saying Hill has earned any PT yet, but burying him behind Vaughn seems wrong. If Hill has to learn to be a pro by playing in the Toros, yes, it could pay off down the road but down the road, for a team this old, is driving off the cliff.

But Pargo could come right in and get good minutes, which would allow Hill to develop and learn the system without detrimental growing pains to next year's Spurs. If we don't get Pargo, then I'm all for the growing pains.

[Brox6]

Pargo Close to a Deal with San Antonio?
Posted: 8/5/2008 3:35:00 AM
Source: San Antonio Express-News

The last time the Spurs saw Jannero Pargo, he was jacking up jump shots for New Orleans in the waning moments of Game 7 of last season's Western Conference semifinals. There is a chance the next jumper Pargo hoists could come in a Spurs uniform.

The rumor in one Western Conference front office Monday afternoon had it that Pargo was about to agree to -- or perhaps already had agreed to -- a deal that would have brought the backup point guard to San Antonio.

Ah, but not so fast.

Pargo's agent, Mark Bartelstein, acknowledged ongoing talks with the Spurs, but said his client has yet to agree to a deal with anyone.

"The Spurs speak for themselves," Bartelstein said Monday. "It's a great place to play. They are limited in what they can do financially, but we are definitely talking to them."

The Spurs spent the lion's share of their mid-level exception to sign former Washington guard Roger Mason Jr. -- another Bartelstein client -- earlier this summer. The team still has a $2.9 million biannual exception at its disposal, more than double the $1.08 million Pargo would have earned next season in New Orleans had he not opted out of his contract.

[T Park]

Vaughn is already a wasted roster spot. If there are 4 point guards and Hill is the last option, then that is sad. Can we get Vaughn a tractor dealership and let him retire, and if things are so bad by April, then resign him to the playoff roster?

If Hill is on the Toros next year, then the only championship we're going to win is in the developmental league. I'm not saying Hill has earned any PT yet, but burying him behind Vaughn seems wrong. If Hill has to learn to be a pro by playing in the Toros, yes, it could pay off down the road but down the road, for a team this old, is driving off the cliff.

Yeah they are sooooooooo ancient. :rolleyes

[knee-knee-3]

Yeah they are sooooooooo ancient. :rolleyes

So do you think Vaughn can contribute anything meaningful to a 2009 championship? I sure as hell don't!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ice009]

Not sure what to think of this.

It would be an excellent signing for the Spurs if he's backing up Parker and it means Vaughn is on the move. I don't see how it affects resigning Finley because Pargo isn't a shooting guard though he could spot some minutes there.

I hope the FO hasn't given up on Hill but could they have to use him in a trade to get rid of Bonner?

No more trades to get rid of someone. If the Spurs can get someone back they need then that is OK to make a trade. The last time we did this was a gigantic fuck up Butler and Scola just to get rid of Butler was stupid looking at it now.

[Spurtacus]

I'm fine with signing Pargo. Little short for a SG though. This can only mean Hill is going to Austin or Vaughn is being moved (I know this has probably been said a hundred times in this thread).

[completely deck]

So do you think Vaughn can contribute anything meaningful to a 2009 championship? I sure as hell don't!!!!!!!!!!!

Well then we can be thankful that you're not in the front office

[knee-knee-3]

Well then we can be thankful that you're not in the front office

Our definitions of "meaningful" obviously differ.

[T Park]

So do you think Vaughn can contribute anything meaningful to a 2009 championship? I sure as hell don't!!!!!!!!!!!

Add more exclamation points.

THEN IT MAKES MORE SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes

Jacque Vaughn as the third or 4th point guard is fine and nothing wrong.

I don't know where you guys have come from, but go back.

I have an idea where you have come from, but I don't want to be positive.

[T Park]

Our definitions of "meaningful" obviously differ.

You probobly think James White is the missing link to the team's chances at winning again I'm sure.

[T Park]

I'm fine with signing Pargo. Little short for a SG though. This can only mean Hill is going to Austin or Vaughn is being moved (I know this has probably been said a hundred times in this thread).

I think Vaughn stays on as IR/coach

Hill goes to Austin and or on the bench.

[knee-knee-3]

Add more exclamation points.

THEN IT MAKES MORE SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes

Jacque Vaughn as the third or 4th point guard is fine and nothing wrong.

I don't know where you guys have come from, but go back.

I have an idea where you have come from, but I don't want to be positive.


So far, we've drafted George Hill and pursued (according to various reports) a couple of back-up point guards. If the front office gets their way next year, Jacque Vaughn will not contribute anything significant, skippy.

[knee-knee-3]

I think Vaughn stays on as IR/coach

Hill goes to Austin and or on the bench.

So you agree with my assertion that Vaughn will contribute nothing next year?

[timvp]

Pop always likes four point guards duck nuts great take, oh yeah, skippy.
He did last season.:huh

Parker, Vaughn, Stoudamire and who else?


:lol

Vaughn isn't going anywhere haters, so just chill out and suck it up.I don't remember a time where the Spurs kept four healthy point guards. The only time they've ever had four point guards is if they have injury problems.

Going into next season with Parker, Pargo, Hill and Vaughn is highly doubtful.

[Yuixafun]

Pargo is average. He's like Tyron Lue.. c'mon.

This guy is not an impact player.

Don't try to make a dime piece out of a 5.

I hope the Spurs FO does something that screams significant improvement before the season starts.

So far my reaction to every move has been ... the opposite of enthusiastic.

Pop should have kept quiet about Hill and what he estimated his contributions might be.

For such an experienced coach and strategist it was unecessary. I mean if he's going to be THAT good right away, why say?

Unless you feel like you have to justify the pick to the people.

Now you have a situation like this and extra tension that didn't have to be there.

Anyway, I still rock my Spurs cap, I'm just not too excited at the moment about their movements.

[T Park]

:huh

Parker, Vaughn, Stoudamire and who else?

I don't remember a time where the Spurs kept four healthy point guards. The only time they've ever had four point guards is if they have injury problems.

Going into next season with Parker, Pargo, Hill and Vaughn is highly doubtful.


Either Hill is getting traded or Vaughn cut.

Vaughn gets his contract bought out at over a million something?

Impossible, the owner is a tight ass...

[T Park]

So you agree with my assertion that Vaughn will contribute nothing next year?

No he will contribute as much as he did last year.

Much to your dismay.

[knee-knee-3]

Either Hill is getting traded or Vaughn cut.

Vaughn gets his contract bought out at over a million something?

Impossible, the owner is a tight ass...

Or Hill plays in Austin and Vaughn sits the bench. Then everyone's happy!

[T Park]

Or Hill plays in Austin and Vaughn sits the bench. Then everyone's happy!

YES!!!! BENCH VAUGHN!!!!

THAT MEANS AUTOMATIC WINS!!!!!

MORE EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!

[knee-knee-3]

No he will contribute as much as he did last year.

Much to your dismay.

If he contributes what he did last year, I will certainly be dismayed.

Pargo > Vaughn.

Hill > Vaughn. And by this I mean that Hill's regular season growing pains will be well worth it if we can get a back-up point that can defend, rebound and put in a few buckets. Vaughn does not meet these criteria.

[knee-knee-3]

YES!!!! BENCH VAUGHN!!!!

THAT MEANS AUTOMATIC WINS!!!!!

MORE EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!

You're trying too hard.

[DespЏrado]

It's sad to see the Spurs apparently sour on Hill so quickly, but I like the move overall. That gives us two real scoring threats outside of the big three. Mason and Pargo make for some killer bench production (even though Mason will probably start.) And they both seem to have that balling swagger that we lost in Claxton and SJax.

So I'm on the Pargo wagon if they can get him to sign on the dotted line. Anyone that can take over games in the way that Pargo and Mason have both shown a knack for doing will be a godsend for the Spurs. Swagger and the ability to take and hit big shots carrying momentum changing moments is what we lacked when we relied on Finley and Vaughn as our primary backups.

Add Gist into the mix and the Spurs may have a killer bench, if Gist can live up to the hype.

And I still think that leaves room for Hill to grow up a year running the Toros which isn't necessarily a bad thing for him to be doing.

[Manufan909]

As long as he is seen next year, ulnike Ian. How long ago did we sign the "savior", anyways?

[T Park]

You're trying too hard.

Your trying.

Quit now please.

[T Park]

As long as he is seen next year, ulnike Ian. How long ago did we sign the "savior", anyways?

Last season.

Not much for reading comprehension are you sunshine?

[SenorSpur]

Interesting tidbit on Pargo: According to RealGM, it appears that he's seeking a 3-yr deal.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53726/20080724/pargo_wants_three_year_deal/

Jannero Pargo, whom the Hornets hope to re-sign, wants a three-year deal and has received interest from several teams.

He has opted out of his contract with the Hornets the past two years only to re-sign with them.

[DespЏrado]

Interesting tidbit on Pargo: According to RealGM, it appears that he's seeking a 3-yr deal.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53726/20080724/pargo_wants_three_year_deal/

Jannero Pargo, whom the Hornets hope to re-sign, wants a three-year deal and has received interest from several teams.

He has opted out of his contract with the Hornets the past two years only to re-sign with them.

That may be a proverbial first nail in the coffin of this actually happening. Could it be that another free agent is name dropping the spurs as a way of spurring interest in his services? Again? :bang If it is I may seriously have to consider killing the next agent who name drops us.

A slow death I think. Something like a crows nest with the key to the exit on a hair length too short chain....

















Hey they have to learn somehow. :lol

[your_pimp]

Pargo ain't siginig with the spurs.

Book it!

[ceperez]

Pargo ain't siginig with the spurs.

Book it!

Agree. 3 year signing highly unlikely. The max the spurs should offer is 1 year!

[rascal]

maybe the Spurs are working on a Vaughn + Bonner/other trade if they signed Pargo

Exactly. I see a Vaughn and Bonner trade happening.

[stxspurs]

i dont see anything else happening......pathetic offseason imo so far

[mrspurs]

Uh anyone got any news on pargo as of late?

Its been quite a while since we last heard from him...


Oh and im a newbie..just exited to post my first post and im looking forward to the experience and challenges that this forum will bring on to me!!! :bang

if noone has done it yet, welcome to spurstalk, heres some advice from what ive learned and you can consider me a rookie here as well(but i would bet ive been on the spurs court more then anyone in here) there are other spurs sites, but from my experience, no matter what you say, if it isnt talking about the spurs as gods and they never make mistakes you will get banned sooner or later. spurstalk doesnt do that, from what i can see someone named timvp and kori ellis are the (meaning no disrepect, poor people who babysit this place, and do an excellent job of babysitting them) maybe one day ill meet them and giveum a tour on what it takes to put an nba court together and what it takes to make ice for the rampage(something most south texans have no clue about, ive been doing it since the iggys at the freeman), or maybe they will give me a tour, who knows......biggest thing to remember about this place is the ignore button, if your like myself, dont cuss, dont like people who cant type without cussing, or dont like sexual type pictures then the ignore will make this place a blast. once again welcome:flag:

[mrspurs]

If this signing means i dont see the Garbage Truck Vaughn on the court again then pull the trigger. Pargo is an agressive scoring PG that we need and that we've been lacking this type of a back up PG for years. GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, FUCK HEAD GARBAGE VAUGHN!

breathe......just breathe, feel better?:blah

[I. Hustle]

:lol oops i'm 74 or 75 or whatever

[ceperez]

Exactly. I see a Vaughn and Bonner trade happening.

Can you think of a team that may want these two underperformers?

I think we do what we did to Malik Rose. Play them so that they get their stats up, then trade them for a pressing need.

The offseason where their perceived values are at the lowest is the worse time to trade.

BTW.... I do like that Nocioni idea. I really like guys with a lot of toughness. The guy we should have aimed for years ago was Caron Butler, no nonsense sheer toughness. Just like Paul Pierce, perfect for playoff basketball. Not a lot of these players in the league.

[Darkwaters]

Can you think of a team that may want these two underperformers?


Vaughn actually has a very reasonable contract for his output. Hes probably one of the best 3rd string PGs in the league and plays for the absolute league minimum. How much of a trade asset is that? Not much. But I suppose you never know.

Still, to call Vaughn an underachiever is simply ignorant. Vaughn was never intended as the backup. He was supposed to be a 3rd string mentor to Beno and Tony. The fact that hes played in the backup role for nearly two years would actually suggest that hes a perennial overachiever.

[jag]

if noone has done it yet, welcome to spurstalk, heres some advice from what ive learned and you can consider me a rookie here as well(but i would bet ive been on the spurs court more then anyone in here) there are other spurs sites, but from my experience, no matter what you say, if it isnt talking about the spurs as gods and they never make mistakes you will get banned sooner or later. spurstalk doesnt do that, from what i can see someone named timvp and kori ellis are the (meaning no disrepect, poor people who babysit this place, and do an excellent job of babysitting them) maybe one day ill meet them and giveum a tour on what it takes to put an nba court together and what it takes to make ice for the rampage(something most south texans have no clue about, ive been doing it since the iggys at the freeman), or maybe they will give me a tour, who knows......biggest thing to remember about this place is the ignore button, if your like myself, dont cuss, dont like people who cant type without cussing, or dont like sexual type pictures then the ignore will make this place a blast. once again welcome:flag:

Water and a freezer usually works best.




PVJXVJfY90s

[SKINNYPIMP210]

Water and a freezer usually works best.




PVJXVJfY90s


LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! You pulled out the Billy Madison skit!

[koriwhat]

Vaughn actually has a very reasonable contract for his output. Hes probably one of the best 3rd string PGs in the league and plays for the absolute league minimum. How much of a trade asset is that? Not much. But I suppose you never know.

Still, to call Vaughn an underachiever is simply ignorant. Vaughn was never intended as the backup. He was supposed to be a 3rd string mentor to Beno and Tony. The fact that hes played in the backup role for nearly two years would actually suggest that hes a perennial overachiever.

agree'd! vaughn might not have a pretty shot or a high fg% but the hustle and determination he brings every game is why i don't jump on the hate-vaughn wagon. i don't get all the hate for a pg who does what is expected of him.

[Bruno]

Honestly, Pargo isn't a very good player but he could be a decent addition on a short term contract with a low salary.
If Hill is as half as good as Pop said, he should overplay him quickly.

[Mr. Body]

Mario Chalmers. Check out his stats again.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Why?

[Mr. Body]

I still can't believe they drafted George Hill with their first round pick. I may never get over it.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Boo hoo.

[K-State Spur]

I still can't believe they drafted George Hill with their first round pick. I may never get over it.

Check out Mario Chalmers stats as a POINT GUARD.

I liked Chalmers as a prospect too, but let's quit acting like he proved anything at all as a point. Nearly all of his collegiate success came when they moved him off the ball.

And I'll hold off on anointing him a great one based solely on a couple of summer league games (where his stats were buoyed by getting to the line far more than he ever will in the league).

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That may be a proverbial first nail in the coffin of this actually happening. Could it be that another free agent is name dropping the spurs as a way of spurring interest in his services? Again? :bang If it is I may seriously have to consider killing the next agent who name drops us.

A slow death I think. Something like a crows nest with the key to the exit on a hair length too short chain....


Hey they have to learn somehow. :lol

I don't think you should count it out just because he wants a third year. The Spurs were willing to give Najera a four year deal, this would basically be the same deal they offered him.

Besides, if they pull this off odds are they move Vaughn (lots of teams looking for serviceable PG help) and they could have their veteran backup point (who can actually score) for the next 3-4 years.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I still can't believe they drafted George Hill with their first round pick. I may never get over it.

Well, I'm sure the Spurs front office is devastated at that news.

[mrspurs]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! You pulled out the Billy Madison skit!

:lol

[timaios]

I still can't believe they drafted George Hill with their first round pick. I may never get over it.

That was the idea.

[DespЏrado]

I don't think you should count it out just because he wants a third year. The Spurs were willing to give Najera a four year deal, this would basically be the same deal they offered him.

Besides, if they pull this off odds are they move Vaughn (lots of teams looking for serviceable PG help) and they could have their veteran backup point (who can actually score) for the next 3-4 years.

I hope that's true. The disappointment this year has been pretty high up there...and the way players have been using the Spurs to up there value has only heightened that sense of falling just short of getting the perfect pieces for another run.

[DMX7]

I really don't like how hard the Spurs are pushing for another PG. Doesn't say much about what they expect out of Hill. And I'm not trying to Dis him, I want him to do well but Pargo could be expensive for a 4th Point Guard.

[timvp]

While Mason and Pargo wouldn't exactly be an awe-inspiring pull for the MLE, I like how they can score. Even though both have struggled with shooting percentages in the past, the Spurs last year didn't even have anyone capable of creating scoring chances outside of the Big Three. Barry was the closest thing the Spurs had but he's someone who looks to pass first before shooting. Finley can't score if he's guarded. No one else on the team could score.

Mason and Pargo both scored more last year per minute than anyone on the Spurs outside of the Big Three. While they obviously aren't flawless players, getting a couple players who can actually put the ball in the hole has to help. On top of that, they both should be better than the defenders they are replacing (Mason for Barry and Pargo for the Ginobili/Barry point guard playoff tandem at backup PG).

Not outrageously successful additions but getting both would go a long way toward solving the scoring drought problem of '07-08.

[Mr. Body]

Check out Mario Chalmers stats as a POINT GUARD.

I liked Chalmers as a prospect too, but let's quit acting like he proved anything at all as a point. Nearly all of his collegiate success came when they moved him off the ball.

Well, no, but we're comparing him with George Hill, aren't we? Hill lags behind Chalmers in point guard abilities, you'd have to say. Chalmers has him beat in experience, defense, shooting, and ball-handling. Check out his shooting percentages in a major conference: through the roof. Look at his steals.

But that's beside the point. What's clear is the FO is flailing a bit. There's no clear strategy. Loading up on point guards, getting smaller...

[DPG21920]

Well, no, but we're comparing him with George Hill, aren't we? Hill lags behind Chalmers in point guard abilities, you'd have to say. Chalmers has him beat in experience, defense, shooting, and ball-handling. Check out his shooting percentages in a major conference: through the roof. Look at his steals.

But that's beside the point. What's clear is the FO is flailing a bit. There's no clear strategy. Loading up on point guards, getting smaller...

Strategy is long term. It is not a series of individual moves. It is chain of events that tie into each other. You can not be myopic.

[DPG21920]

We have no idea the reasons behind the moves right now and we will not know until they tell us their ideas or reasoning. When that happens, then you can look at the strategy as a whole and evaluate it. Making a move for Pargo plays into a bigger picture of sorts and until that is completed or unveiled we will not know if the plan is wise.

[xtremesteven33]

HOOPSWORLD: Hornets Passing on Pargo

An internet report this morning suggested that the New Orleans Hornets are going to pass on free agent guard Jannero Pargo, and agent Mark Bartelstein confirmed this for HOOPSWORLD today.

"We don't understand it," said Bartelstein. "Up until about a week ago we were confident that we would get something done with the Hornets, but something happened internally and their stance has changed. It would have been nice to know that earlier so we could have gotten something done earlier in free agency, but there's a lot of interest in Pargo and we'll get something wrapped up soon."

Bartelstein intimated that Pargo was really looking forward to returning to New Orleans and loved playing with the guys there, but the Spurs have made it clear that he'd be a rotation guy backing up both the point and two-guard spots, so it appears they may win out in the bids for his services. There's certainly no question that Pargo will be a huge asset to his new team, whether it's San Antonio or one of the other potential suitors. Pargo really came into his own in Byron Scott's run-and-gun offense and was a huge factor in the Hornets' impressive postseason run. If the Spurs were able to add him they would finally have made a move that helps them get better for the first time this offseason.

As for the Hornets, the word is that they'll look to Mike James to handle the back-up PG duties, but given the fact that James is not really a point guard, that's a scary prospect in a Western Conference that's filled with incredible point guards. We'll be catching up with Hornets GM Jeff Bower soon to get the rundown on his plan for the roster when he gets back from vacation


http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9704

[I. Hustle]

We have no idea the reasons behind the moves right now and we will not know until they tell us their ideas or reasoning. When that happens, then you can look at the strategy as a whole and evaluate it. Making a move for Pargo plays into a bigger picture of sorts and until that is completed or unveiled we will not know if the plan is wise.

DDDUUUUUUUUUDDEEE

[DPG21920]

WTF? How about Roger Mason? He can score just as well as Finley but plays better D, that makes the Spurs better. If Mason gets the 27 minutes per game that Finley got, I can see him being a 12-13 point, 2 assist guy with better defense.

[Kindergarten Cop]

HOOPSWORLD:
If the Spurs were able to add him they would finally have made a move that helps them get better for the first time this offseason.

:rolleyes

[DPG21920]

DDDUUUUUUUUUDDEEE

you rang

[I. Hustle]

you rang

Dude

[DPG21920]

Dude

Don't agree with my take on strategy?

[I. Hustle]

Don't agree with my take on strategy?

DUDE!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Hornets Passing on Pargo

An internet report this morning suggested that the New Orleans Hornets are going to pass on free agent guard Jannero Pargo, and agent Mark Bartelstein confirmed this for HOOPSWORLD today.

"We don't understand it," said Bartelstein. "Up until about a week ago we were confident that we would get something done with the Hornets, but something happened internally and their stance has changed. It would have been nice to know that earlier so we could have gotten something done earlier in free agency, but there's a lot of interest in Pargo and we'll get something wrapped up soon."

Bartelstein intimated that Pargo was really looking forward to returning to New Orleans and loved playing with the guys there, but the Spurs have made it clear that he'd be a rotation guy backing up both the point and two-guard spots, so it appears they may win out in the bids for his services. There's certainly no question that Pargo will be a huge asset to his new team, whether it's San Antonio or one of the other potential suitors. Pargo really came into his own in Byron Scott's run-and-gun offense and was a huge factor in the Hornets' impressive postseason run. If the Spurs were able to add him they would finally have made a move that helps them get better for the first time this offseason.

As for the Hornets, the word is that they'll look to Mike James to handle the back-up PG duties, but given the fact that James is not really a point guard, that's a scary prospect in a Western Conference that's filled with incredible point guards. We'll be catching up with Hornets GM Jeff Bower soon to get the rundown on his plan for the roster when he gets back from vacation.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9704




I know it's Hoopsworld, but it has quotes, so it's gotta give it some credibility.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Spurs Talking To Jannero Pargo

Last Update: 8/05 2:27 pm

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It appears the San Antonio Spurs may be going away from re-signing guard Michael Finley. The New Orleans Hornets guard Jannero Pargo could be the choice now.

Pargo's agent, Mark Bartlestein told News 4 Monday night, he is having on-going discussions with the Spurs about Pargo. Bartlestein says his client has the utmost respect for the Spurs and it would be a great place to play. But, Bartlestein says its too early to say Pargo has made a decision.

Pargo is a 6-1 guard who averaged 10 points a game last year.

http://www.woai.com/sports/story.aspx?content_id=6954fbaa-f6c6-471c-a978-312165bf9578

[remingtonbo2001]

Spurs Talking To Jannero Pargo

Last Update: 8/05 2:27 pm

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It appears the San Antonio Spurs may be going away from re-signing guard Michael Finley. The New Orleans Hornets guard Jannero Pargo could be the choice now.

Pargo's agent, Mark Bartlestein told News 4 Monday night, he is having on-going discussions with the Spurs about Pargo. Bartlestein says his client has the utmost respect for the Spurs and it would be a great place to play. But, Bartlestein says its too early to say Pargo has made a decision.

Pargo is a 6-1 guard who averaged 10 points a game last year.

http://www.woai.com/sports/story.aspx?content_id=6954fbaa-f6c6-471c-a978-312165bf9578

Dude!

[SpursFanInAustin]

Spurs Talking To Jannero Pargo

Last Update: 8/05 2:27 pm

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It appears the San Antonio Spurs may be going away from re-signing guard Michael Finley. The New Orleans Hornets guard Jannero Pargo could be the choice now.

Pargo's agent, Mark Bartlestein told News 4 Monday night, he is having on-going discussions with the Spurs about Pargo. Bartlestein says his client has the utmost respect for the Spurs and it would be a great place to play. But, Bartlestein says its too early to say Pargo has made a decision.

Pargo is a 6-1 guard who averaged 10 points a game last year.

http://www.woai.com/sports/story.aspx?content_id=6954fbaa-f6c6-471c-a978-312165bf9578

I don't understand that signing Pargo all but eliminates Finley re-signing, when they play different positions.

[xtremesteven33]

did it ever occur to some of you that maybe SPURSTALK could possibly be jinxing the spurs from landing big time FA's??


(not speaking of Pargo)

[tav1]

I haven't read this entire thread, but many of us have noted how small Pargo will make the Spurs. I'm starting to wonder if the "smallness" of the Spurs is not by design. Over the past two seasons, Pop has played an inordinate amount of small ball set but with pretty good results. Udoka at the 4 was affective for spells; Pop liked to throw to points on the floor at various points last season, even when one of them (Vaughn or Stoudamire) had a snow ball's chance in hell of scoring. I'm probably wrong, but perhaps Pop wants to push the pace a little and run some quirky small ball line ups with Parker at the 2. Going with, say, Pargo, Parker, Ginobli/Mason, Udoka/Gist/Tolliver and Timmy for a few minutes here and there might appeal to Popovich.

Personally, I think it's not so smart. But how many championships teams have I coached?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't understand that signing Pargo all but eliminates Finley re-signing, when they play different positions.

Well, they've only got so many roster spots...

[DPG21920]

DUDE!

Lame

[T Park]

I dont see the link between signing Pargo and not signing Finley.

[ShoogarBear]

Pargo hates Billy Ocean albums.

[SpursFanInAustin]

Well, they've only got so many roster spots...

I understand that part. I just assume the Spurs, if they sign Pargo, would have to make a trade to get rid of the logjam at point, which includes Jacque Vaughn getting shipped out along with someone like Bonner, Oberto, or Udoka.

[Spurs Brazil]

I don't understand that signing Pargo all but eliminates Finley re-signing, when they play different positions.

Agree, Pargo is a PG, Finley play the wing.

But if we sign Pargo we'll have only one open spot. And we still have to sign Gist.

Oberto/KT/Ian
TD/Bonner/Tolliver
Bruce/Ime
Manu/Mason/
TP/Pargo/JV/Hill

[SpursFanInAustin]

Agree, Pargo is a PG, Finley play the wing.

But if we sign Pargo we'll have only one open spot. And we still have to sign Gist.

Oberto/KT/Ian
TD/Bonner/Tolliver
Bruce/Ime
Manu/Mason/
TP/Pargo/JV/Hill

I just think a trade is coming opening up another roster spot or two.

[tav1]

Or a buy out. Buy out Vaughn, resign Fin. Sign Gist. Move Bonner later.

[barbacoataco]

I can't see the Spurs having 4 pg's next year. I think a trade could be in the works. Bonner, Tolliver and Mahinmi all will be fighting for Horry's minutes. Also, if the Spurs sign Pargo they will have too many undersized combo guards (Pargo, Mason, Hill) and not enough long SF's.

maybe the Spurs FO has a play we are not aware of. I could see Bonner, Udoka and/or Vaughn being traded.

[timvp]

Bartelstein intimated that Pargo was really looking forward to returning to New Orleans and loved playing with the guys there, but the Spurs have made it clear that he'd be a rotation guy backing up both the point and two-guard spots, so it appears they may win out in the bids for his services.

I know it is HoopsWorld so it's probably BS but hopefully the Spurs aren't planning to play Pargo too much at shooting guard. Mason is already small enough. Going with a guy who is 6-foot-1 at shooting guard would be pretty ridiculous. It'd be okay if the matchups were perfect but Pargo as the backup point guard is where his value will lie.

Hopefully the next domino falls so we can see where the Spurs are going with this. It's like the Spurs decided to take a detour after watching their summer league team in action.

[tav1]

I know it is HoopsWorld so it's probably BS but hopefully the Spurs aren't planning to play Pargo too much at shooting guard. Mason is already small enough. Going with a guy who is 6-foot-1 at shooting guard would be pretty ridiculous. It'd be okay if the matchups were perfect but Pargo as the backup point guard is where his value will lie.

Hopefully the next domino falls so we can see where the Spurs are going with this. It's like the Spurs decided to take a detour after watching their summer league team in action.

This offseason is curious thus far. I'm enjoying it the way some one would a long chess match--it's not immediately gratifying but promises an unexpected and potentially dramatic conclusion.

No question, though, the Spurs front office insists on getting it done their way.

At 27 they could have drafted Chalmers, CDR or Arthur, but they chose Hill.
At 45 they passed up on Walker and Hendrix in favor of Hairston.
At 57 they drafted Gist--who now looks like a steal--but may not sign him.
They pass over bigger name players in free agency in favor of George Mason Jr, an undersized 2.
They signed Matt Bonner redundant Anthony Tolliver.
They resign Kurt Thomas at a nice price--a "typical" Spur move amidst several uncertains.
From what we know, they didn't make a run at Renaldo Balkman when he was available.
Their flirting with Pargo, who brings scoring and ball handling but also crowds the back court and contributes to a general lack of height.

I'm not passing judgement one way or another here, but things have not gone as one would expect.

The Spurs 2008 off season will be looked back on in a few years as time of calculated brillance or unexpected incompetency. Only time will tell. I look forward to following this story arc.

[DPG21920]

Strategy is long term. It is not a series of individual moves. It is chain of events that tie into each other. You can not be myopic.


We have no idea the reasons behind the moves right now and we will not know until they tell us their ideas or reasoning. When that happens, then you can look at the strategy as a whole and evaluate it. Making a move for Pargo plays into a bigger picture of sorts and until that is completed or unveiled we will not know if the plan is wise.

[DROB4EVER]

Spurs could be getting as many good player they can and may look to make a trade for a wing. Pargo is a good enough defender to play the 2 he has long arms but his scoring off the bench and shooting would be a boost.

Second team: pargo, manu, Udoka, Ian, Thomas or Oberto. That gives a bit of everything, good shootin, 2 guys who can light it up and get to the rim and drawl fouls in manu and pargo. All are good defenders with Oberto being the weekest.

I can see pargo running the break with manu and Ian running the floor. I would have to say a much improved second team.

[Solid D]

This offseason is curious thus far. I'm enjoying it the way some one would a long chess match

Yeah, let's hope the Spurs don't get pwn3d.

[tav1]

Spurs could be getting as many good player they can and may look to make a trade for a wing. Pargo is a good enough defender to play the 2 he has long arms but his scoring off the bench and shooting would be a boost.

Second team: pargo, manu, Udoka, Ian, Thomas or Oberto. That gives a bit of everything, good shootin, 2 guys who can light it up and get to the rim and drawl fouls in manu and pargo. All are good defenders with Oberto being the weekest.

I can see pargo running the break with manu and Ian running the floor. I would have to say a much improved second team.

Get out of here with that Pargo defending 2s nonsense. Pargo is an above average defender, but against points, not 2 guards. Pargo is not an offensive 2, he is not a defensive 2. He's a point guard. If Pop goes small, it'll be with Parker at the 2 long before Pargo.

[tav1]

What about Vaughn, Bonner and a low draft pick in a sign and trade for Dorell Wright. I'd do that if I were either team. The Heat need a vet point on the bench and Bonner makes more sense than Wright given Beasely, Haslem, Marion and James Jones.

Wright would fit right into the small forward hole in San Antonio.

Humor me:

Parker/Pargo/Hill
Mason/Manu/Finley
Bowen/Udoka/Wright
Duncan/Tolliver/Gist
Oberto/Thomas/Mahinmi

More athletic, younger, improved ball handling, better shooter, better individual defenders, and a couple of young players in the pipeline. The Spurs could win with that roster.

[DROB4EVER]

Get out of here with that Pargo defending 2s nonsense. Pargo is an above average defender, but against points, not 2 guards. Pargo is not an offensive 2, he is not a defensive 2. He's a point guard. If Pop goes small, it'll be with Parker at the 2 long before Pargo.

Pargo has played the 2 and played it well. As a second teamer he isnt gonna be going against big time players. The guy has the wing span of a 6-6 guy and can play the two when need. He will be the 3rd string 2.

The guy can shoot and create his own shot, thats what a 2 needs to do. Besides alot of teams out west do go small, Dallas Phx, LA, and last yr NO.

They guy is a better 2 than Fin or barry. Neither could defend or get their own shot dispite the ht advantage.

[DROB4EVER]

What about Vaughn, Bonner and a low draft pick in a sign and trade for Dorell Wright. I'd do that if I were either team. The Heat need a vet point on the bench and Bonner makes more sense than Wright given Beasely, Haslem, Marion and James Jones.

Wright would fit right into the small forward hole in San Antonio.

Thats what I was thinking but I dont think the Heat wanna give him up.

[tav1]

Thats what I was thinking but I dont think the Heat wanna give him up.

The Heat haven't signed him while strangely re-upping Bobby Jones. I don't think the Heat want Wright. And things are not great for Wright, either. Most of the free agent money has dried up. He's a prime s&t guy.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Lame

Dude...

[timvp]

Pargo has played the 2 and played it well. As a second teamer he isnt gonna be going against big time players. The guy has the wing span of a 6-6 guy and can play the two when need. He will be the 3rd string 2. :huh

Pargo has a 6-foot-2 wingspan. That's one of the shorter wingspans in the NBA. Nate Robinson, for example, has the same wingspan.

Pargo has the wingspan of someone who is 5-foot-10 to 5-foot-11.


They guy is a better 2 than Fin or barry. Neither could defend or get their own shot dispite the ht advantage.No way Pargo > Barry at the two. That is crazy talk. Pargo would be a midget with short arms if he played a lot of shooting guard. Hell, he's even pretty small for a point guard.

Pargo + Parker backcourt would work sometimes ... but rarely. About as often as we saw the Vaughn + Parker backcourt last year.

[DROB4EVER]

The Heat haven't signed him while strangely re-upping Bobby Jones. I don't think the Heat want Wright. And things are not great for Wright, either. Most of the free agent money has dried up. He's a prime s&t guy.

Word out of Miami is than they have tendered him the 1 yr offer so they retain his rights but he has not signed because he is looking for a long term deal.

I heard on the radio a week or so he want a 5 yr deal worth about 45-48mil and Miami is not locking up anyone long term so they can be players in the 2010 FA period.

I dont think the spurs would give him a long term deal for the same reason.

[T Park]

I think the Pargo Parker backcourt would work better only due to spacing and offensive punch/scoring threat.


This is all jumping to conclusions that they will even sign the guy which I doubt happens.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I heard on the radio a week or so he want a 5 yr deal worth about 45-48mil and Miami is not locking up anyone long term so they can be players in the 2010 FA period.

What the shit, that can't be right.

[timvp]

Word out of Miami is than they have tendered him the 1 yr offer so they retain his rights but he has not signed because he is looking for a long term deal.

I heard on the radio a week or so he want a 5 yr deal worth about 45-48mil and Miami is not locking up anyone long term so they can be players in the 2010 FA period.:rollin

Are you just making things up now? Dorell Wright $48M contract? More like he's looking at around $8M if he's lucky.

[Spurs Brazil]

Miami Speaks With Livingston And Pargo
Aug 06, 2008 6:36 PM EST
With the list of free agent point guards growing smaller by the day, the Heat have spoken with the agents for both Shaun Livingston and Jannero Pargo, according to The Miami Herald.

No offers were made, and the team remains in contact with Jason Williams as a fallback option.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53907/20080806/miami_speaks_with_livingston_and_pargo/

[DROB4EVER]

:huh

Pargo has a 6-foot-2 wingspan. That's one of the shorter wingspans in the NBA. Nate Robinson, for example, has the same wingspan.

Pargo has the wingspan of someone who is 5-foot-10 to 5-foot-11.

No way Pargo > Barry at the two. That is crazy talk. Pargo would be a midget with short arms if he played a lot of shooting guard. Hell, he's even pretty small for a point guard.

Pargo + Parker backcourt would work sometimes ... but rarely. About as often as we saw the Vaughn + Parker backcourt last year.

I see what your sayn and your right, I think they can play together in spurts......what I mean with barry is he was a worthless defender and just a spot up shooter. Pargo is a good defender with long arm, Ht is not important reach is. a 6-6 guy with a long neck and shot arms is not as an effective as a 6-2 guy with long arms. Pargos reach makes him play bigger.

That the same reason we drafted Hill, he has the wingspan of a 6-8 guy. Pargos ability to put the ball on the floor and create his own shot will allow him to play the two. But again he wont get mins with Mason and Manu there. The guy pr min is a very good scorer.

Dont forget Barbos plays 2, Jason terry, Iverson, Farmar plays off the ball like a 2, Head from houston....all these guys are small 2 type player and pargo has similar skill set. But you are right Im sure he will play mostly behind parker. I just like the scoring and versitility he would give us.

[DROB4EVER]

Miami Speaks With Livingston And Pargo
Aug 06, 2008 6:36 PM EST
With the list of free agent point guards growing smaller by the day, the Heat have spoken with the agents for both Shaun Livingston and Jannero Pargo, according to The Miami Herald.

No offers were made, and the team remains in contact with Jason Williams as a fallback option.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53907/20080806/miami_speaks_with_livingston_and_pargo/

Pargo not a fit for miami. Not a pass first guy that Riles likes.

[DPG21920]

Dude...

Youuuuuuuu, you're good!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Youuuuuuuu, you're good!

:lol Just kidding with you, I don't even know why that other dude said it.

[timvp]

I see what your sayn and your right, I think they can play together in spurts......what I mean with barry is he was a worthless defender and just a spot up shooter. Pargo is a good defender with long arm, Ht is not important reach is. a 6-6 guy with a long neck and shot arms is not as an effective as a 6-2 guy with long arms. Pargos reach makes him play bigger.Pargo's wingspan is 6-foot-2.


That the same reason we drafted Hill, he has the wingspan of a 6-8 guy. No, actually more of a 6-foot-4 or 6-foot-5 player.

[DPG21920]

Pargo's wingspan is 6-foot-2.

No, actually more of a 6-foot-4 or 6-foot-5 player.

I think Hill would be much more serviceable at defending NBA 2's than Pargo.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Pargo's wingspan is 6-foot-2.


:rollin

[ceperez]

This offseason is curious thus far. I'm enjoying it the way some one would a long chess match--it's not immediately gratifying but promises an unexpected and potentially dramatic conclusion.

No question, though, the Spurs front office insists on getting it done their way.

At 27 they could have drafted Chalmers, CDR or Arthur, but they chose Hill.
At 45 they passed up on Walker and Hendrix in favor of Hairston.
At 57 they drafted Gist--who now looks like a steal--but may not sign him.
They pass over bigger name players in free agency in favor of George Mason Jr, an undersized 2.
They signed Matt Bonner redundant Anthony Tolliver.
They resign Kurt Thomas at a nice price--a "typical" Spur move amidst several uncertains.
From what we know, they didn't make a run at Renaldo Balkman when he was available.
Their flirting with Pargo, who brings scoring and ball handling but also crowds the back court and contributes to a general lack of height.

I'm not passing judgement one way or another here, but things have not gone as one would expect.

The Spurs 2008 off season will be looked back on in a few years as time of calculated brillance or unexpected incompetency. Only time will tell. I look forward to following this story arc.

At 27 they could have drafted Greene and used him to trade for Artest.
They waited too long for Maggette resulting in losing Barry to the Rockets.
We signed ROGER Mason Jr. there weren't any bigger names that were affordable.
A lot of good free agents migrated to Europe. These include potential signups like Krstic, Nachbar and Childress.

[T Park]

At 27 they could have drafted Greene and used him to trade for Artest.
They waited too long for Maggette resulting in losing Barry to the Rockets.
We signed ROGER Mason Jr. there weren't any bigger names that were affordable.
A lot of good free agents migrated to Europe. These include potential signups like Krstic, Nachbar and Childress.


Trade for Artest?


Ugh, you want lunatics? Goodbye.

[jag]

Trade for Artest?


Ugh, you want lunatics? Goodbye.

Come on T Park...you're better than this.

[T Park]

Come on T Park...you're better than this.

Better than what?

I don't nor ever want Ron Artest anywhere NEAR silver and black.

I don't care if the team loses in the playoffs for years to come and Artest would gaurantee a ring.

Artest is a nut job, a peanut head, and a thug.

NOT Spurs material.

[The Franchise]

Better than what?

I don't nor ever want Ron Artest anywhere NEAR silver and black.

I don't care if the team loses in the playoffs for years to come and Artest would gaurantee a ring.

Artest is a nut job, a peanut head, and a thug.

NOT Spurs material.

Pretty ignorant post.

[T Park]

Pretty ignorant post.


How is it ignorant?

Hes nuts, and hes a thug.

Fact.

[The Franchise]

How is it ignorant?

Hes nuts, and hes a thug.

Fact.

He is ghetto but I wouldn't call him a thug. I don't think he's nuts, I just think he's not very intelligent(the peanut head I agree with:lol).

[bostonguy]

With off the court issues that does impact the team on the court, I can understand why you wouldnt want Artest.

I personally dont care tho what kind of person a player is. As long as they can help my team win a championship, I could care less about what they do off the court as long as it doesnt hurt the team on the court.

[ceperez]

Pargo's wingspan is 6-foot-2.


Not great. He's also 1" shorter than George Hill.

His maximum vertical is 29.5" versus Hil of 37.5".

He's also slower than hill.

Definitely not a prime candidate to replace Hill.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Let's see we drafted George Hill, have Jacques Vaughn under contract for another year and have one of the top 5 point guards in the NBA who happens to be 24 years old....yet we're flirting with Jannero Pargo? Pop and RC must be reliving that fourth quarter surge Pargo put forth in game 7 of the WCSF because this makes about as much sense as trading Luis Scola to a division rival in order to free up the money required to sign Matt Bonner to a 6 million dollar deal.....hang on that was a bad dream right?

I'm starting to think RC Buford has made one of Pop's vineyards home and is basically running the team while hooked up to a barrel of Merlot....

[T Park]

He is ghetto but I wouldn't call him a thug. I don't think he's nuts, I just think he's not very intelligent(the peanut head I agree with:lol).

Thugs beat up people.

He went into the stands and beat on a person.


Thug. Period. End of story.

[T Park]

makes about as much sense as trading Luis Scola to a division rival in order to free up the money required to sign Matt Bonner to a 6 million dollar deal

That would make be a great arguement if it was factually true.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

That would make be a great arguement if it was factually true.

What's not accurate about this?

Last summer we trade Scola to the Rockets, then commit six million to Bonner. It wasn't about a payout because the money we spent on Bonner was less than what the Rockets commited to Scola.

I realize I'm arguing with TPark here which is tantamount to playing Monopoly with a barracuda but.....

[jcrod]

Thugs beat up people.

He went into the stands and beat on a person.


Thug. Period. End of story.


As usual you have no idea what you're talking about.

[T Park]

As usual you have no idea what you're talking about.



What about my post is inaccurate?

Am I in a different dimension where Ron Artest suddenly became "misunderstood" ?

[T Park]

What's not accurate about this?

Last summer we trade Scola to the Rockets, then commit six million to Bonner. It wasn't about a payout because the money we spent on Bonner was less than what the Rockets commited to Scola.

I realize I'm arguing with TPark here which is tantamount to playing Monopoly with a barracuda but.....



Oh the witty humor making people think your actually more intelligent than a field mouse.

Keep pontificating and telling everyone "Fuck the management" and then apologize and beg your way back to the forum again.

[rAm]

That would make be a great arguement if it was factually true.

You still haven't explained this comment.

[T Park]

You still haven't explained this comment.

Look up the 9 million threads that have beaten that horse into powder the explanation is there.

[coopdogg3]

Look up the 9 million threads that have beaten that horse into powder the explanation is there.

With an emphasis on the 9 million.

[The Franchise]

Thugs beat up people.

He went into the stands and beat on a person.


Thug. Period. End of story.

People tend to forget he was provoked (beer in the face). Bad judgement does not make you a thug. The person throwing the beer was more of a thug than Ron was.

[The Franchise]

I think Pargo would be an excellent pick up for San Antonio for his shooting at the PG position alone.

[Indazone]

Pargo is an automatic upgrade over Vaughn. Still think that the Spurs need to get bigger and more athletic on their front line.

[AFBlue]

Not great. He's also 1" shorter than George Hill.

His maximum vertical is 29.5" versus Hil of 37.5".

He's also slower than hill.

Definitely not a prime candidate to replace Hill.

Except that he's proven he can play basketball on the pro-level already.

Measurables aside, Hill has proven absolutely nothing on the court and struggled against mostly D-League fodder.

Pargo would be an upgrade over Hill or Vaughn as the backup PG for at least the next year, so I'm for the signing if it happens.

[MaNu4Tres]

Hill is not quick...He had one of the slowest agility drills in the NBA Draft Camp.

[underdawg]

Hill is not quick...He had one of the slowest agility drills in the NBA Draft Camp.

Except the agility drills are more for lateral movement than actual quickness correct? I thought the 3/4 court sprint was a little more telling of quickness - right?

Either way - I can't believe that the Spurs have been mentioned so often this year for possible free agent acquisitions. I know it's been said here before, but there must have been a memo put out to agents to say that the Spurs are interested in order to up their client's market value. Pargo is not coming to the Spurs.

[AFBlue]

Except the agility drills are more for lateral movement than actual quickness correct? I thought the 3/4 court sprint was a little more telling of quickness - right?

Either way - I can't believe that the Spurs have been mentioned so often this year for possible free agent acquisitions. I know it's been said here before, but there must have been a memo put out to agents to say that the Spurs are interested in order to up their client's market value. Pargo is not coming to the Spurs.

Most of it has been pure speculation by journalists who think a certain player might make a good fit on a championship-contender.

The fact that Pargo's agent said they've been in discussions is a pretty good sign that there is mutual interest.

And as for the whole speed/quickness thing...it's a moot point.

One player has used whatever speed and quickness they have to be a scorer in this league and the other hasn't. I'll take the guy who has experience and has proven he can get alot of points quickly.

[jcrod]

What about my post is inaccurate?

Am I in a different dimension where Ron Artest suddenly became "misunderstood" ?


Not going to bother, everytime you post its :blah you have no clue.

He was wrong, but not a thug.

[SpursFanInAustin]

They waited too long for Maggette resulting in losing Barry to the Rockets.
We signed ROGER Mason Jr. there weren't any bigger names that were affordable.


How did they wait too long for Maggette? Maggs signed with the Warriors the FIRST day of free agency. The Spurs offered him the full MLE during that waiting period before signing day. They couldn't put a gun to his head and make him sign it.And it didn't result in losing Barry to the Rockets. The Spurs just flat out did not want Barry back. Case closed.

[AFBlue]

Not going to bother, everytime you post its :blah you have no clue.

He was wrong, but not a thug.

In a recent report he called himself "ghetto" and talked about living his "culture" more than other black athletes that Yao has been accustomed to.

A man who justifies his actions by saying it's his "culture" and calls himself "ghetto"....that's a thug.

Okay, I'm off my soap-box and back on topic...

Bottom Line: Pargo would be good as a backup scoring PG for the Spurs. He's a better option than either Hill or Vaughn at this point.

[SenorSpur]

Looks like the Spurs have some competition for Pargo's services.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53907/20080806/miami_speaks_with_livingston_and_pargo/

Miami Speaks With Livingston And Pargo

With the list of free agent point guards growing smaller by the day, the Heat have spoken with the agents for both Shaun Livingston and Jannero Pargo, according to The Miami Herald. No offers were made, and the team remains in contact with Jason Williams as a fallback option

Moral to this story: Never get too excited about a potential FA signing until there is a signed contract.

[jcrod]

In a recent report he called himself "ghetto" and talked about living his "culture" more than other black athletes that Yao has been accustomed to.

A man who justifies his actions by saying it's his "culture" and calls himself "ghetto"....that's a thug.

Okay, I'm off my soap-box and back on topic...

Bottom Line: Pargo would be good as a backup scoring PG for the Spurs. He's a better option than either Hill or Vaughn at this point.

:lol OK, if that is what you call thug you have no idea.

[ducks]

It appears the San Antonio Spurs may be going away from re-signing guard Michael Finley. The New Orleans Hornets guard Jannero Pargo could be the choice now.

Pargo's agent, Mark Bartlestein told News 4 Monday night, he is having on-going discussions with the Spurs about Pargo. Bartlestein says his client has the utmost respect for the Spurs and it would be a great place to play. But, Bartlestein says its too early to say Pargo has made a decision.

Pargo is a 6-1 guard who averaged 10 points a game last year.
http://www.woai.com/sports/story.aspx?content_id=6954fbaa-f6c6-471c-a978-312165bf9578

[Buddy Holly]

http://bp1.blogger.com/_TYtL3iq-5_8/SBfHAmC-3FI/AAAAAAAABGM/LkGz0M-g-D8/s1600/holy%2Bshit!.jpg

GET OUT! LEAVE!

[ducks]

http://bp1.blogger.com/_TYtL3iq-5_8/SBfHAmC-3FI/AAAAAAAABGM/LkGz0M-g-D8/s1600/holy%2Bshit!.jpg

YOU SUCK!

no that would be your mom

[Buddy Holly]

no that would be your mom

Exhibit 1-F on why you are a loser in life. :toast

[ducks]

no you edited your post

that was a sign of a loser after I quoted you

[DROB4EVER]

I dont know whats going on with him? guess he thinks hes worth more than the LLE or spurs dont want him dispite saying otherwise.

I love Pargos game and he would upgrade our bench and give us a scorer besides manu of the bench so I hope this goes down.

I dont like our SF situation right now. Bowen and Udoka cant get to the rim, cant handle the ball and are not scorers or athletic. And both are small for that spot. I guess they think Gist will give them mins there, and if thats the case Fin is gone unless we can unload bonner on someone.

[your_pimp]

So have you already signed Pargo?

:lol

[your_pimp]

and this meaningless thread continues

[SenorSpur]

It appears the San Antonio Spurs may be going away from re-signing guard Michael Finley.
http://www.woai.com/sports/story.aspx?content_id=6954fbaa-f6c6-471c-a978-312165bf9578

God, let it be so.

[T Park]

Yeah, let the Spurs have a whopping 2 shooting guards next year.

[baseline bum]

I love Finley, but I don't think he has anything left. Fucking Nelson played him into the ground all those years in Dallas when he led the league in minutes played.

[SenorSpur]

I love Finley, but I don't think he has anything left. Fucking Nelson played him into the ground all those years in Dallas when he led the league in minutes played.

True dat, While there are others here that clearly believe Finley can do no wrong - even at this late stage of his declining career.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Pargo And The Spurs: As HOOPSWORLD's Bill Ingram covered yesterday, Jannero Pargo seems headed to the San Antonio Spurs after the Hornets abruptly changed direction. A Hornets source said the decision was really arrived at internally when they Hornets found limited interest in the trade market for parts they did not want, the source would not speculate on names. The belief was after signing James Posey the Hornets could make a deal and move off a guaranteed contract and then bring back Jannero at a price tag that worked for both sides. When that didn't happen, it was decided Pargo was expendable. The Miami HEAT were reported to have interest in Pargo, but unless the HEAT decide to offer a multi-year deal above the $1.9 million being offered by the Spurs, it seems according to Pargo's camp that he'll be in Silver and Black in the coming week.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9708

[remingtonbo2001]

Who cares. Without Gist next year, we don't stand a chance.

We might as well tank the season.

[benefactor]

Spurs still Pargo hunting (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/archives/2008/08/jeff_mcdonald_s_13.html)



Little development on the Jannero Pargo front so far today, but we do have a little grist for the rumor mill.

Word around the league campfire is that the Spurs are one of three teams to have offered Pargo a deal that would start at $2 million next season. The identities of the other teams in the Pargo sweepstakes remain unclear, though it is presumed the Denver Nuggets might be one of them.

Not much new. As long as McDonald doesn't call us a "front runner" we still have a chance.

[xtremesteven33]

if we miss out on pargo then i would kick into "worry" mode.

not that many good FA's left.

[Solid D]

JAU3JoSwUCY

Just as a reminder of what Pop said...

[Tully365]

13,000 views on a J. Pargo thread: wow.

[xtremesteven33]

13,000 views on a J. Pargo thread: wow.


i think maggette had like 20,000 haha

[Bruno]

JAU3JoSwUCY

Just as a reminder of what Pop said...

Part of me hopes that Spurs won't get Pargo.
I doubt Pop were high on hill without good reasons and that he is bad at evaluating talents.

Spurs now looked scared because of a bad SL from Hill and want to take the easy road by signing a average vet backup PG.
Fuck that.

Spurs should stick to their first felling and give a fair chance to Hill with consistent playing time. He has 82 NBA games to be a better player than Pargo. It's not a that big challenge.

[xtremesteven33]

i totally disagree. if there are any signs that Hil cannot be a solid backup to Tony while we already have offensive struggles, you dont take that chance as a coach. and to know that a solid backup PG can sign with you that provides offense and solid defense. you dont pass that up.

send Hill to Dleague for a year and sign Pargo.

ill be content.

[timaios]

13,000 views on a J. Pargo thread: wow.

The sign of a GREAT offseason.

:rolleyes

[xtremesteven33]

The sign of a GREAT offseason.

:rolleyes



if we can sign Pargo i would consider this a good offseason.

we sign Mason. (who is a great shooter,ballhandler, and defensive player)
we sign Pargo. (solid backup for Tony who is a proven shooter and good D.)

all we were lacking before was a piece or two.

what did yall expect?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

We signed a fucking undersized shootingguard, are one bruce bowen ankle injury away from being a third tier defensive team, and pargo proves that we wasted a first round pick for the fifth fucking season in a row.

I didn't expect that.

[timaios]

if we can sign Pargo i would consider this a good offseason.

we sign Mason. (who is a great shooter,ballhandler, and defensive player)
we sign Pargo. (solid backup for Tony who is a proven shooter and good D.)

all we were lacking before was a piece or two.

what did yall expect?

A fucking long athletic small forward who can defend the likes of David West, Lamar Odom, Paul Pierce or even Boris Diaw who was killing us in the 2 last games against Suns.
Udoka is too small.
Spurs are really really small.

The Lakers front court Bynum+Gasol+Odom.... +Bryant at SG ! That's fucking tall and athletic.

[weebo]

Getting pargo doesn't mean anything. Regardless if he signs or not we are totally screwed with the team the two headed brainless monster rc and pop put together.

[TheProfessor]

A fucking long athletic small forward who can defend the likes of David West, Lamar Odom, Paul Pierce or even Boris Diaw who was killing us in the 2 last games against Suns.
Udoka is too small.
Spurs are really really small.

The Lakers front court Bynum+Gasol+Odom.... +Bryant at SG ! That's fucking tall and athletic.
I think this is a legit concern, and it has not been addressed adequately. It seems the Spurs' solution is to just get smaller, which is worrisome.

[DPG21920]

Miami might make a run at him now that the Clippers have signed Jason Williams

[T Park]

yeah I'd put money on him signing with the heat

[K-State Spur]

A fucking long athletic small forward who can defend the likes of David West, Lamar Odom, Paul Pierce or even Boris Diaw who was killing us in the 2 last games against Suns.
Udoka is too small.
Spurs are really really small.

The Lakers front court Bynum+Gasol+Odom.... +Bryant at SG ! That's fucking tall and athletic.

eh, odom's a pretty mediocre small forward. the true value in him is his ability to play the 4 while being a better athlete than his competitors at that position.

move him to a big 3, and he loses much of his luster.

[underdawg]

eh, odom's a pretty mediocre small forward. the true value in him is his ability to play the 4 while being a better athlete than his competitors at that position.

move him to a big 3, and he loses much of his luster.

What's up with Dorrell Wright - did he ever sign with Miami?

[Tully365]

I just think most of the criticisms being vented by many Spurs' fans are purely emotional, and don't bother to take reality into consideration. Maggette decided he wanted to make 10 mil a year while losing rather than 5.8 mil a year contending for a championship. Not the fault of the Spurs. Lots of people claimed that the Nuggets were in payroll penalty tax hell and couldn't match offers for JR Smith... but then they traded Camby for nothing and it's plain to see that they will match any offers. Again, not the fault of the Spurs.

I still think signing Mason was a great move. He may not have the appeal of Maggette and Smith, but he plays defense and will be an improvement over Finley as the starting SG. I also think some people should start admitting that the FO was right to not sign Smith to an offer sheet-- it would have been matched, and then the Spurs would have gotten nothing. Just imagine the ranting if that had happened...

[barbacoataco]

I still see these as the Spurs biggest problems:
1. After Duncan, the Spurs have 0 bigs that have any offensive game.
2. Bowen/Udoka are not big enough to guard longs SF's or mobile PF's.
3. Duncan is the only shotblocker.
4. They need to replace Horry. Can Bonner or Tolliver bring it?

It didn't seem to me like we lost to the Lakers because the backup PG wasn't good enough.

[Rummpd]

I still see these as the Spurs biggest problems:
1. After Duncan, the Spurs have 0 bigs that have any offensive game.
2. Bowen/Udoka are not big enough to guard longs SF's or mobile PF's.
3. Duncan is the only shotblocker.
4. They need to replace Horry. Can Bonner or Tolliver bring it?

It didn't seem to me like we lost to the Lakers because the backup PG wasn't good enough.

We lost to the Lakers due to a no call on an obvious foul and a Manu injury - of course they did not have Bynum and could be better but who knows if he is going to be healthy?

Relax all - Spurs still in serious mix for championship.

[silk]

There's really two sides in the problem; there is our needs, and then, there is our possibilities to fill them

Maybe the spurs could have done better with the draft, and still, it's not sure, but beside that, i see too many posters criticizing FO , like the only thing they need to do is identifying the needs, an the second part, getting the right player is an automatic thing

We would need a long SF, but if we only get guards it's not because FO doesn't know our needs, i think for the most part, they do their job pretty well; they went after maguette, batum, najera etc...gets turned down, and signed the best role players thay can, mason will improve the team

Getting younger, gettnng more athletic, all of these things are not an and in themselves ( sorry for the english), they are just means to get better, IMPROVING the team is the only goal, in that regard, clippers, warriors, hawks messed up, spurs did good

We're not in some kind of a fantasy league or on the playstation there


I don't think the spurs suck, i don't think they messed up this off season, i still have great faith they will win it all and be a team none of our foes wants to meet

[xtremesteven33]

yea it seems like spurs fans can not be pleased now days.

the FO knows what theyre are doing. even though everyone here think they dont. 4 titles pretty much shows they know how to run things.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Earlier this week, the agent for backup point guard Jannero Pargo said it was unlikely Pargo would be back with New Orleans this season. He also said Pargo seems to be near a contract agreement with another club, possibly the San Antonio Spurs. http://www.nola.com/hornets/t-p/index.ssf?/base//sports-3/1218346317297960.xml&coll=1

[exstatic]

http://www.nola.com/hornets/t-p/index.ssf?/base//sports-3/1218346317297960.xml&coll=1

???

What does geeky, unathletic Ryan Bowen re-signing with the Bugs have anything to do with Pargo?

[Streakyshooter08]

http://www.nola.com/hornets/t-p/index.ssf?/base//sports-3/1218346317297960.xml&coll=1

Lets hope so... but it seems like it is only a guess. It looks like there will be a decision soon...

[The Franchise]

The thing that worries me is the amount of time it is taking. This makes me feel that their may be a snag in the negotiations.:(

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

???

What does geeky, unathletic Ryan Bowen re-signing with the Bugs have anything to do with Pargo?



Earlier this week, the agent for backup point guard Jannero Pargo said it was unlikely Pargo would be back with New Orleans this season. He also said Pargo seems to be near a contract agreement with another club, possibly the San Antonio Spurs.
http://www.nola.com/hornets/t-p/index.ssf?/base//sports-3/1218346317297960.xml&coll=1

[exstatic]

My bad, but that ain't exactly news that you found buried in that article. The situation has been that way, and static, for days.

I hope we sign Pargo just so C3PO has to try to defend Parker. :lol

[T Park]

the longer this drags the more likely it is he signs with Miami

[exstatic]

the longer this drags the more likely it is he signs with Miami

Miami is probably offering one more year (to entice him) starting at $100K less (the LLE) than the remainder of the Spurs MLE. If he really wanted the extra year, he would have taken Miami's offer. The Spurs rarely come off their bargaining position, and most agents know this, so he must still be considering. Being a FA in 2010 wouldn't suck. Being on a shit team like Miami would.

[edgar]

This Pargo guy is really pissing me off..the dude is taking too long to make a damn decision. There is only 3 teams after your services fool. One of them offering you a real chance at ring and :lobt: . Make up your damn mind already so we can move on with this old news. :wakeup

[ducks]

This Pargo guy is really pissing me off..the dude is taking too long to make a damn decision. There is only 3 teams after your services fool. One of them offering you a real chance at ring and :lobt: . Make up your damn mind already so we can move on with this old news. :wakeup

udoka took a long time to
and signed
you should have more patience

[Solid D]

udoka took a long time to
and signed
you should have more patience

:tu :tu

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Suns are offering Pargo only the minimum.



Pargo opted out of a Hornets contract that would have paid him $1.08 million this season so he was expecting more this summer. But like how the Suns had hoped Carlos Arroyo would fall into their minimum-offer hands, there is always the hope that Pargo would eventually accept the minimum and a good role with Phoenix.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/30100

[Spurs Brazil]

Pargo opted out of a Hornets contract that would have paid him $1.08 million this season so he was expecting more this summer. But like how the Suns had hoped Carlos Arroyo would fall into their minimum-offer hands, there is always the hope that Pargo would eventually accept the minimum and a good role with Phoenix.

Pargo would play almost the same minutes with the Spurs or with the Suns

[xtremesteven33]

Looks like Pargo is off the Suns radar since they just reportedly signed Dragic.


all indications point that Pargo should be a Spur very soon.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Looks like Pargo is off the Suns radar since they just reportedly signed Dragic.


all indications point that Pargo should be a Spur very soon.

:tu