Spurs May Sign Pargo...

[Buddy Holly]

Per WOAI tonight.

Also, his agent said he and the Spurs are talking.

Speculation is that the Spurs have yet to resign Finley because they're talking to Pargo.

[confined]

Ughhh i hope they don't :bang

[Dex]

Yeah, for some reason I never liked Pargo.

Then again, I never liked Horry until he came here either, and that worked out okay.

[pad300]

I suspect BS - Parker's the starter, Vaughn has a guaranteed contract, and Hill has been talked up big (and was a 1st round pick - guaranteed money...). If they do sign Pargo, they will move either Hill or Vaughn, and I suspect Vaughn...

I call BS because who would take Vaughn.

[brettn]

Pargo > Finley.

[ace3g]

maybe the Spurs are working on a Vaughn + Bonner/other trade if they signed Pargo

[honestfool84]

who wouldn't like him?

he almost single-handedly won game 7 for the hornets.
but then again, he single-handedly lost it for them, also.

but who cares.

[Trainwreck2100]

this guy is not afraid to miss big shots in big games.

[Supergirl]

Pargo is a decent signing if you're not expecting him to play point. As a back up SG option - someone who could come in and put up some points - he's a decent signing. But I'd be sorry to see Fin go.

[rj215]

If getting Pargo means the Spurs don't have room for Vaughn, then I'm all for it.

[bigdog]

I wouldn't mind him, but we're already undersized in the backcourt, so because of that then I disapprove of a possible signing.

[T Park]

No Freaking way.... :elephant

[TheProfessor]

Since the league subsidizes part of the vet min, that would lessen the actual expense of cutting Vaughn, cap hit aside. Doesn't exactly convey confidence in Hill's readiness though.

[T Park]

I suspect BS - Parker's the starter, Vaughn has a guaranteed contract, and Hill has been talked up big (and was a 1st round pick - guaranteed money...). If they do sign Pargo, they will move either Hill or Vaughn, and I suspect Vaughn...

I call BS because who would take Vaughn.

I've got a feeling Hill plays in Austin all year while Jannero plays the backup role.

Awesome news if true.

[T Park]

Since the league subsidizes part of the vet min, that would lessen the actual expense of cutting Vaughn, cap hit aside. Doesn't exactly convey confidence in Hill's readiness though.

Or just that Hill is gonna be an Antonio Daniels swingman.

[TheProfessor]

I've got a feeling Hill plays in Austin all year while Jannero plays the backup role.

Awesome news if true.
That does make sense. Sign Pargo to a short-term contract, let Vaughn play out his time and bring Hill up next year when he's gone. Pop seemed so sure of Hill's ability to play immediately though...

[itzsoweezee]

pargo > finley and vaughn

[T Park]

That does make sense. Sign Pargo to a short-term contract, let Vaughn play out his time and bring Hill up next year when he's gone. Pop seemed so sure of Hill's ability to play immediately though...

He still may.

Pargo though is a very good shooter, and is the kind of point guard Pop likes.

[TheProfessor]

He still may.

Pargo though is a very good shooter, and is the kind of point guard Pop likes.
It would be like getting what they wanted out of Stoudamire this year, a scoring compliment to Tony off the bench. Sounds good to me.

[SequSpur]

Let me just get this out of the way....

[lurker23]

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/archives/2008/08/jeff_mcdonald_s_12.html

August 04, 2008
Jeff McDonald: Spurs and Pargo?

The last time the Spurs saw Jannero Pargo, he was jacking up jump shots for New Orleans in the waning moments of Game 7 of last season's Western Conference semifinals. There is a chance the next jumper Pargo hoists could come in a Spurs uniform.

The rumor in one Western Conference front office Monday afternoon had it that Pargo was about to agree to -- or perhaps already had agreed to -- a deal that would have brought the backup point guard to San Antonio.

Ah, but not so fast.

Pargo's agent, Mark Bartelstein, acknowledged ongoing talks with the Spurs, but said his client has yet to agree to a deal with anyone.

"The Spurs speak for themselves," Bartelstein said Monday. "It's a great place to play. They are limited in what they can do financially, but we are definitely talking to them."

The Spurs spent the lion's share of their mid-level exception to sign former Washington guard Roger Mason Jr. -- another Bartelstein client -- earlier this summer. The team still has a $2.9 million biannual exception at its disposal, more than double the $1.08 million Pargo would have earned next season in New Orleans had he not opted out of his contract.

The 28-year-old Pargo, the primary backup to All-Star Chris Paul in New Orleans, beefed up his value on the open market with a solid postseason in which he averaged 10.2 points per game. He had a 30-point game against Dallas in the first round, and scored 18 against the Spurs in Game 7 of the conference semis.

The Spurs' apparent pursuit of Pargo is a bit surprising, given the glut of backup point-guards that ought to grace their opening day roster. The Spurs used their first-round draft choice on George Hill, with designs on having him compete with veteran Jacque Vaughn for minutes behind Tony Parker. They signed Mason in part because of his ability to play some point guard in a pinch.

The Spurs are one of a handful of teams in the hunt for Pargo, who still has not ruled out a return to New Orleans.

"We're trying to get to a decision, no question," Bartelstein said. "We're working on it, but no decision has come as of yet."

The Pargo-to-San-Antonio rumors remain just rumors, for now.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'd take Pargo before Finley, that's for damn sure.

[T Park]

and ur a fucking idiot.

That goes without saying.

[honestfool84]

Let me just get this out of the way....












attention fag.

geared towards SequSpur

[timvp]

1) I've long pointed to Pargo as a player the Spurs should sign. Too bad the Spurs didn't listen back when they could have had him for the minimum.

2) Pargo and Finley don't have much to do with each other. Pargo is a point guard. He's not really a shooting guard at all. Too small. He can play a little shooting guard sometimes but not nearly enough to classify him as a potential shooting guard.

3) This is bad news for Hill. When drafted, Pop thought he could step right in and be the backup point guard. If the Spurs are pursuing Pargo, that means the Spurs don't believe Hill is ready. Perhaps the Spurs think Hill needs a few years in Austin. Or it could mean the Spurs think Hill just plain sucks. Either way, something happened for the Spurs to like Hill a whole lot less than when they drafted him.

[T Park]

This is bad news for Hill. When drafted, Pop thought he could step right in and be the backup point guard. If the Spurs are pursuing Pargo, that means the Spurs don't believe Hill is ready. Perhaps the Spurs think Hill needs a few years in Austin. Or it could mean the Spurs think Hill just plain sucks. Either way, something happened for the Spurs to like Hill a whole lot less than when they drafted him.

Or they just want him to spend a year in Austin ala Ian Mahinmi?

[timvp]

Or they just want him to spend a year in Austin ala Ian Mahinmi?Uh yeah read what you quoted. But even if that is the truth, that's a far cry from what Pop thought of him after the draft.

[SequSpur]

1) 2) Pargo and Finley don't have much to do with each other. Pargo is a point guard. He's not really a shooting guard at all. Too small. He can play a little shooting guard sometimes but not nearly enough to classify him as a potential shooting guard.


yeah, what does pargo have to with Finley?

Hill was a wasted pick, I declared that long ago, I'm glad the slow kids here have finally figured something out.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

R O F L

Chalk up yet another fucking sign of a mishap in what is shaping up to be one of the worst offseasons in the Tim Duncan Era.

[T Park]

Uh yeah read what you quoted. But even if that is the truth, that's a far cry from what Pop thought of him after the draft.


Pop thought Rasho was god too.

Who REALLY ever knows what Pop thinks.

[T Park]

I still have zero clue whats going on..

[T Park]

R O F L

Chalk up yet another fucking sign of a mishap in what is shaping up to be one of the worst offseasons in the Tim Duncan Era.

Good, then hit the fucking road.

[SequSpur]

Good, then hit the fucking road.

:fishing

[Solid D]

The Spurs have been gradually going smaller and smaller. Udoka comes in last year as a smallish wing. 6'-9" Thomas replaces the 7' Elson. 6'-5" Mason for 6'-7" Barry. It's looking like 6'-8" Tolliver for 6'-10" Horry. Now Pargo, who on his own merits regardless of size, would be an excellent value signing. At least they appear to be adding scoring punch. I still smell a trade.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Good, then hit the fucking road.

From getting Tau'ed for the fourth offseason straight, to Hill, to signing an undersized 2 guard, to.....ah forget it.

[baseline bum]

Pargo would be a great option for backup PG. Certainly better than relying on Hill to give anything.

[The Truth #6]

One one hand this is great if it means we don't have to see either Finley or Vaughn return. More than likely, in my opinion, this another classic cock tease that gets pulled on the Spurs where everyone gets their hopes up and then later find out it was another ruse for player X to try and get more money out of some other team by using the Spurs as leverage.

More than likely we won't get Pargo but we will have Hill, with his confidence slightly shaken. Jesus, just admitting that we need Pargo above Hill already makes the offseason look worse.

Hopefully the Spurs aren't actually pursuing Pargo and they feel that Hill DOES have what it takes to compete right away.

I suppose if Gist is the one bright spot out of our draft picks since 2005 then there is some positive to take from this, but any doubts already about Hill does not seem reassuring.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Pargo would be a great option for backup PG. Certainly better than relying on Hill to give anything.

Then Hopefully Pargo will be receptive to contracts in accordance with the 2010 master plan.

[timvp]

I'm guessing the Spurs are offering Pargo what they offered Najera ... 4 years and $8M.

[GaryJohnston]

He still may.

Pargo though is a very good shooter, and is the kind of point guard Pop likes.

+1

I would definitely take Pargo over Findog, he's just done.

[honestfool84]

Pargo would be a great option for backup PG. Certainly better than relying on Hill to give anything.




that quote..

that guy is smoking some crazy crap.

[mystargtr34]

Even though Hill struggled offensively during SL, its clear hes NBA ready defensively, and can shoot the ball. Its not like hes going to be the primary playmake anytime hes on the court. 90% of his time on the floor will most likely be with Manu on the court with the rest of the second unit.

Besides, Pargo sux

.395 Career FG shooter, and even lower last season

And only a .365 3-pt shooter.

[Whisky Dog]

I'd definitely feel better about the season with Pargo backing up TP rather than Vaughn or Hill.

I said it after the first couple of summer league games and I'll say it again - Hill was a wasted first round pick. He has a seemingly good attitude and talent, but not "first round come in and contribute" talent. Maybe not even legitimate NBA talent.

The FO has just struck out a lot of times recently after hitting some home runs several years ago. I'm not saying I could do better, but then again I'm not getting paid millions to strike out either.

[Whisky Dog]

Even though Hill struggled offensively during SL, its clear hes NBA ready defensively, and can shoot the ball.

Wha...:wow

That's about as clear as a London morning...

[xtremesteven33]

Hill is a good player who probably wont fit into the spurs system. bottom line. you guys should know already when it comes to "spurs system", pop is very pinche when it comes to his PG spot. look at the hell Avery and Parker went through to make him happy.

looks like Hill is out of his element in the spurs system cause hes probably not a "natural" PG. but i would take Pargo as a backup and feel really comfortable about the 2nd string with us. hes a guy who can get hot really quick and will score alot of points when we are in a slump. hes also no slouch when it comes to defense either.

if we can lock this kid up, ill feel good but not great.

[Marcus Bryant]

Irrespective of need, Pargo would be a good pickup. He's 28, plays like a Spur, and he'd be coming from a conference rival. The Spurs might as well pick up some extra talent from free agency at this point and figure out the rotation later. They could sign Finley as well to be the 5th swing using his Bird Rights.

Damn. I thought Pargo would be out of the Spurs' reach when free agency began.

This does make me wonder if a trade of some sort is not in the works.

[Sense]

I've liked this kid since Chicago... he's a good player, I'm guessing under the right system he can be a great contributor...

hope they get it done..

[SequSpur]

Hill is coming from a conference that is slightly better than the YMCA league and the Spurs wasted a first round pick on him. they got what they picked.

There were numerous players better than him and they bluffed and fluffed this shit up.

Pargo sucks, I never liked that dude.. didn't he play for LA??? They dumped his ass cuz he sucked worse than Beno..

This shit gets worse every day.

[Kori Ellis]

The Spurs have been gradually going smaller and smaller. Udoka comes in last year as a smallish wing. 6'-9" Thomas replaces the 7' Elson. 6'-5" Mason for 6'-7" Barry. It's looking like 6'-8" Tolliver for 6'-10" Horry. Now Pargo, who on his own merits regardless of size, would be an excellent value signing. At least they appear to be adding scoring punch. I still smell a trade.
Me too.

[T Park]

Wha...:wow

That's about as clear as a London morning...


You don't think he can play defense?

[xtremesteven33]

Hill is coming from a conference that is slightly better than the YMCA league and the Spurs wasted a first round pick on him. they got what they picked.

There were numerous players better than him and they bluffed and fluffed this shit up.

Pargo sucks, I never liked that dude.. didn't he play for LA??? They dumped his ass cuz he sucked worse than Beno..

This shit gets worse every day.


werent you the same guy months ago who said the spurs werent gonna make the playoffs?


was it you or someone else?

[T Park]

What could they be trading?

Bonner and Vaughn?

I'm to dumb to figure out who would be going where.

[SequSpur]

werent you the same guy months ago who said the spurs werent gonna make the playoffs?

was it you or someone else?

Depends on what day of the week it was and whether or not my wife made me a drink.

I don't think so though...

:toast

[Whisky Dog]

You don't think he can play defense?

I bolded certain parts of that for a reason.

[your_pimp]

Desperation Mode Alert!!!!

[T Park]

Hill is coming from a conference that is slightly better than the YMCA league and the Spurs wasted a first round pick on him. they got what they picked.

There were numerous players better than him and they bluffed and fluffed this shit up.

Pargo sucks, I never liked that dude.. didn't he play for LA??? They dumped his ass cuz he sucked worse than Beno..

This shit gets worse every day.


You don't watch the Spurs anymore so why do you care?

Go back to bowling for mac and cheese 3 foot clueless.

[T Park]

I bolded certain parts of that for a reason.

Well it is clear he can play quite good defense.

[T Park]

It was me. I'm full of shit up to my eyeballs and have zero clue about basketball.

[your_pimp]

I wouldn't be surprised if they re-sign Finley...LOL


Didn't Mark Cuban said that he would sign Finley back to the Mavs in a heartbeat as soon as he became a free agent?

:lol

[xtremesteven33]

SJAX or NOCIONI!!!




:(

[tlongII]

1) I've long pointed to Pargo as a player the Spurs should sign. Too bad the Spurs didn't listen back when they could have had him for the minimum.

2) Pargo and Finley don't have much to do with each other. Pargo is a point guard. He's not really a shooting guard at all. Too small. He can play a little shooting guard sometimes but not nearly enough to classify him as a potential shooting guard.

3) This is bad news for Hill. When drafted, Pop thought he could step right in and be the backup point guard. If the Spurs are pursuing Pargo, that means the Spurs don't believe Hill is ready. Perhaps the Spurs think Hill needs a few years in Austin. Or it could mean the Spurs think Hill just plain sucks. Either way, something happened for the Spurs to like Hill a whole lot less than when they drafted him.

I have to hand it to timvp. The dude makes rational non-homer posts. It's clear to me that Pargo is a better option than Hill. Hill might become a decent player sometime in the future, but right now he sucks.

[your_pimp]

Tpark you fucking fat fuck Shut the fuck up you fucking ass kisser

[Whisky Dog]

Well it is clear he can play quite good defense.

Yes, I agree the kid can defend well, but it's anything but clear that he can shoot the ball well or even be a servicable scorer in the NBA. That's the part I disagreed with and that's why I bolded that part of his quote.

[xtremesteven33]

he doesnt suck. he just doesnt fit the spurs system. cmon guys you should know pop by now. hes never liked rookies too much and doesnt like to give them too much time ESPECIALLY at the 1 spot.

[SequSpur]

You don't watch the Spurs anymore so why do you care?

Go back to bowling for mac and cheese 3 foot clueless.

mac and cheese? Dude, did you marry the bearded lady yet? WTF?

[honestfool84]

Hill is coming from a conference that is slightly better than the YMCA league and the Spurs wasted a first round pick on him. they got what they picked.

There were numerous players better than him and they bluffed and fluffed this shit up.

Pargo sucks, I never liked that dude.. didn't he play for LA??? They dumped his ass cuz he sucked worse than Beno..

This shit gets worse every day.



dude.
go see a psychiatrist or something.
you're such a danged pessimist, and its freaking annoying.

[ducks]

spurs might have thought they could trust hill to back up tp when they drafted him
now they think it might be a year
or could they have packaged hill and booner to the team that needs a young point guard..

[SequSpur]

he doesnt suck. he just doesnt fit the spurs system. cmon guys you should know pop by now. hes never liked rookies too much and doesnt like to give them too much time ESPECIALLY at the 1 spot.

Dude, he sucked against nondrafted talent in the summer league...how in the hell does he play in the NBA?

[SequSpur]

spurs might have thought they could trust hill to back up tp when they drafted him
now they think it might be a year
or could they have packaged hill and booner to the team that needs a young point guard..

Did you have to post in this topic?

[Trainwreck2100]

I'd like to point out the fact that the Spurs never get scooped on FA signings

[SequSpur]

dude.
go see a psychiatrist or something.
you're such a danged pessimist, and its freaking annoying.

thanks for the props.

[ducks]

Did you have to post in this topic?

did you

[tlongII]

Well it is clear he can play quite good defense.

Orly? Was it the stellar competition that he shut down that convinced you of this?

[honestfool84]

thanks for the props.



no props.
just a suggestion.

you know what..

NO.
doggy.
heeeeel, HEEL!

sit boy. good doggy.

make that a command. GO.

[SequSpur]

no props.
just a suggestion.
you know what..
NO.
doggy.
heeeeel, HEEL!
sit boy. good doggy.
make that a command. GO.

wow.. that was random..

:rolleyes

[TheProfessor]

Whether Hill pans out, no one can say right now, but even Marcus Williams looked great at times for the Clippers' SL team, after being totally out of his depth last year. Hill's learning curve is very steep. If he needs time and the Spurs bring in Pargo, that seems like a win-win to me.

[tp2021]

Me too.

Do you know something we don't, perhaps?;)

[timvp]

Irrespective of need, Pargo would be a good pickup.Yeah for $2M starting price, he's a good deal. Plus it would hurt the Hornets and that's also good.

By glancing at the numbers, the Hornets look like they are pretty darn close to the luxury tax threshold after signing Posey. Perhaps the Spurs know they can outbid the Hornets if the Hornets won't go over the threshold.

Something is definitely up since the Spurs have stalled before making the obvious moves of re-signing Finley and signing draft picks such as Hill and Gist. I guess part of the delay could be a Pargo pursuit.

[DPG21920]

I'm guessing the Spurs are offering Pargo what they offered Najera ... 4 years and $8M.

Are you calling a preemptive bull shit??

[ducks]

spurs still need to sign gist if they get pargo

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

and ur a fucking idiot.

That goes without saying.

Nice mature, relevant, thought out take. As usual...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

1) I've long pointed to Pargo as a player the Spurs should sign. Too bad the Spurs didn't listen back when they could have had him for the minimum.

2) Pargo and Finley don't have much to do with each other. Pargo is a point guard. He's not really a shooting guard at all. Too small. He can play a little shooting guard sometimes but not nearly enough to classify him as a potential shooting guard.

3) This is bad news for Hill. When drafted, Pop thought he could step right in and be the backup point guard. If the Spurs are pursuing Pargo, that means the Spurs don't believe Hill is ready. Perhaps the Spurs think Hill needs a few years in Austin. Or it could mean the Spurs think Hill just plain sucks. Either way, something happened for the Spurs to like Hill a whole lot less than when they drafted him.


4) They're putting together a Bonner, Hill, 2009 first rounder, 2010 second rounder for Artest :lol

[ElNono]

But I thought Hill was ready and Pop was praising him left and right... :rolleyes
When some of us said he was Toros material, people started saying we were not Spurs fans... But now everybody agrees?

Some people need to start eating the warm crow served to them. You know who you are.

I'm actually more concerned that the Spurs haven't extended a contract offer to Gist yet. I would have taken him over Tolliver from what we saw in the SL...

[SenorSpur]

I'm guessing the Spurs are offering Pargo what they offered Najera ... 4 years and $8M.

I really would've had rather had Najera. He'd been a perfect fit to replace Horry and to make Bonner expendable.

If this happens, it's not a good sign for Hill, as you've stated earlier. It could also mean that Pop was a tad overzealous in his estimation about Hill's readiness to play. We'll see.

Even if they do sign Pargo, they could still resign Finley. After all, it's not like Pargo is a standard SG. Of course, he could be in one of Pop's wacky lineup schemes.

[DPG21920]

Yes, I agree the kid can defend well, but it's anything but clear that he can shoot the ball well or even be a servicable scorer in the NBA. That's the part I disagreed with and that's why I bolded that part of his quote.

Not to knock your take, but name other late first round draft picks (26th or later) that have come in as effective scorers? I mean, if he can defend NBA point guards well, that is already a bonus. Not to say that Pargo would not be nice, especially because regardless of position the Spurs need a shooter, but Hill seems to be ready to get some minutes. Unless a trade brings us a veteran at the 3-5 spot, I can not see us trading Hill or signing Pargo.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

But I thought Hill was ready and Pop was praising him left and right... :rolleyes
When some of us said he was Toros material, people started saying we were not Spurs fans... But now everybody agrees?

Some people need to start eating the warm crow served to them. You know who you are.

I'm actually more concerned that the Spurs haven't extended a contract offer to Gist yet. I would have taken him over Tolliver from what we saw in the SL...

I'm sure we'll sign Gist. We just don't have to yet as we have his rights.

The way this is all playing out with the backcourt, as others have mentioned, something's up. Well, that or Pop is drinking way too much wine before picking up the phone to call other teams and free agents.

[SenorSpur]

I wouldn't be surprised if they re-sign Finley...LOL


Didn't Mark Cuban said that he would sign Finley back to the Mavs in a heartbeat as soon as he became a free agent?

:lol

I hope they don't resign Finley. Yes, I did read something about Cuban making a comment about welcoming Finley back to the fold, at some point in the future.

Please Cuban. Take him Finley out of Pop's reach.

[DPG21920]

But I thought Hill was ready and Pop was praising him left and right... :rolleyes
When some of us said he was Toros material, people started saying we were not Spurs fans... But now everybody agrees?

Some people need to start eating the warm crow served to them. You know who you are.

I'm actually more concerned that the Spurs haven't extended a contract offer to Gist yet. I would have taken him over Tolliver from what we saw in the SL...

The Spurs have Gist's rights. They did not have Tolliver's. If the Spurs did indeed like Tolliver for whatever reason, they had to lock him up early so that no other team could make a bid. They do not have to worry about Gist, because they can wait it out and see what happens with trades, free agency and ...

[your_pimp]

Don't make yourselves look stupid moron spurs fans you know your front office is only offering 2-year deals...

[your_pimp]

Gist the new Spurs saviour!!! LOl hahahahahahaha

[Mister Sinister]

Gist the new Spurs saviour!!! LOl hahahahahahaha
o_O

[your_pimp]

:rollin:rollin
I hope they don't resign Finley. Yes, I did read something about Cuban making a comment about welcoming Finley back to the fold, at some point in the future.

Please Cuban. Take him Finley out of Pop's reach.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Not to knock your take, but name other late first round draft picks (26th or later) that have come in as effective scorers? I mean, if he can defend NBA point guards well, that is already a bonus. Not to say that Pargo would not be nice, especially because regardless of position the Spurs need a shooter, but Hill seems to be ready to get some minutes. Unless a trade brings us a veteran at the 3-5 spot, I can not see us trading Hill or signing Pargo.

Carl Landry
Craig Smith
Paul Millsap
Jason Maxiell
Linas Kleiza
David Lee
Brandon Bass
Monta Ellis
Ryan Gomes
Kevin Martin
Leandro Barbosa
Josh Howard
Kyle Korver
Two guys, I think their names are Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili or something.

All drafted at or below 26 in the last five years (well, except for our boys).

You were saying?

[Mister Sinister]

Two guys, I think their names are Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili or something.
...Wait, who the *shit* are these people?

[ss1986v2]

to be fair, AHF, about half your list were crap to mediocre their rookie year. yes, they may be good players now, but they didnt have it from the get go.

[ElNono]

Not to knock your take, but name other late first round draft picks (26th or later) that have come in as effective scorers? I mean, if he can defend NBA point guards well, that is already a bonus. Not to say that Pargo would not be nice, especially because regardless of position the Spurs need a shooter, but Hill seems to be ready to get some minutes. Unless a trade brings us a veteran at the 3-5 spot, I can not see us trading Hill or signing Pargo.

The problem for Hill is that he's not a PG. It's hard enough to transition from College to the Pros, and if you add he's gotta learn a new position, I think it's too much. It's not a knock on the kid, it's just truly, really hard. And the Spurs core might have another 3-4 years together, so we don't have time to waste. I think Pop probably likes his work ethic, so the kid will be around.
I wouldn't mind Pargo, if he can be had for a 2 year deal and reasonable money.

[DPG21920]

Rookie year scoring
Carl Landry: 8 pts
Craig Smith: 7.4 pts
Paul Millsap: 6.8 pts
Jason Maxiell: 2.3 pts
Linas Kleiza: 3.5 pts
David Lee: 5.1 pts
Brandon Bass: 2.3 pts
Monta Ellis: 6.8 pts
Ryan Gomes:7.6 pts
Kevin Martin: 2.9 pts
Leandro Barbosa: 7.9 pts
Josh Howard: 8.6 pts
Kyle Korver: 4.5 pts
Two guys, I think their names are Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili or something.

All drafted at or below 26 in the last five years (well, except for our boys).

You were saying?

Ya, they were all prolific scorers entering the league, that is why they shot so well their rookie year and got so many minutes. If you think Hill could not match that scoring production with the same amount of average minutes you are crazy.

You were saying... maybe you and I differ greatly on our definition of "prolific"

[DPG21920]

to be fair, AHF, about half your list were crap to mediocre their rookie year. yes, they may be good players now, but they didnt have it from the get go.

[DPG21920]

...Wait, who the *shit* are these people?

Freaks of nature that have allowed the Spurs to win 4 championships. How many other teams have drafted like that? Peoples willingness to jump ship because of a story is not only alarming, but telling. It tells you what people really think. There will be no hiding now one way or another. If Hill is involved in a trade that brings us someone valuable in a position we need and allows us to sign Pargo, than fantastic. That is great value for a #26 pick. If he plays and defends well and averages 6 points in 14 minutes a game, than fantastic, he gives us as much value as everyone on AHF's list in their rookie season.

[bigdog]

Gist the new Spurs saviour!!! LOl hahahahahahaha

and your team is amazing all of a sudden?

[SenorSpur]

The problem for Hill is that he's not a PG. It's hard enough to transition from College to the Pros, and if you add he's gotta learn a new position, I think it's too much. It's not a knock on the kid, it's just truly, really hard. And the Spurs core might have another 3-4 years together, so we don't have time to waste. I think Pop probably likes his work ethic, so the kid will be around.
I wouldn't mind Pargo, if he can be had for a 2 year deal and reasonable money.

You may be onto something. Pargo wouldn't be a bad signing at all. Besides, he would go a long way to help cure the offensive woes this team seems to have.

[completely deck]

Well, I figured something else would have to start stirring soon... It was becoming a little TOO quiet on the front...

[SenorSpur]

If this Pargo signing comes to pass, this creates a rather smallish backcourt.

As some others have already stated, there could conceivably be a trade brewing somewhere.

[knee-knee-3]

Pargo would be an upgrade over both Vaughn and Finley. Vaughn's spot, in particular, needs to be addressed. I like Hill's upside and I think he'll be a servicable player, but Pargo can fill an urgent need immediately, and you can't pass that up.

[Joe Schmoogins]

There's no way they drop Hill before he sees a single NBA minute, unless there is a highly valuable piece to be had (someone not named pargo)... Pop was too high on him, and contrary to spurstalk belief, he actually played pretty well in SL not counting his fg%. I like the idea of having Pargo around, but what really gets me going is the idea of having Pargo replace Vaughn. That's what I'm hoping for, and it makes sense to me. Vaughn's only value on the court is his hustle and defense. Hill brings that and more potential, making Vaughn replaceable. Adding pargo to a lineup featuring Tony and George could be quite awesome.

[knee-knee-3]

There's no way they drop Hill before he sees a single NBA minute, unless there is a highly valuable piece to be had (someone not named pargo)... Pop was too high on him, and contrary to spurstalk belief, he actually played pretty well in SL not counting his fg%. I like the idea of having Pargo around, but what really gets me going is the idea of having Pargo replace Vaughn. That's what I'm hoping for, and it makes sense to me. Vaughn's only value on the court is his hustle and defense. Hill brings that and more potential, making Vaughn replaceable. Adding pargo to a lineup featuring Tony and George could be quite awesome.

:tu

[Joe Schmoogins]

:tu

I was thinking the same about your post...:toast

[Texas_Ranger]

Better Pargo than nobody!

[angelbelow]

pargo is a good pick up i think, i think hes good enough to be considered one of those instant offense players.

[Mister Sinister]

Freaks of nature that have allowed the Spurs to win 4 championships. How many other teams have drafted like that? Peoples willingness to jump ship because of a story is not only alarming, but telling. It tells you what people really think. There will be no hiding now one way or another. If Hill is involved in a trade that brings us someone valuable in a position we need and allows us to sign Pargo, than fantastic. That is great value for a #26 pick. If he plays and defends well and averages 6 points in 14 minutes a game, than fantastic, he gives us as much value as everyone on AHF's list in their rookie season.
Thank you for taking my joking comment seriously.

[Biggems]

what if we get rid of Vaughn when we sign Pargo.....then sign Luke Jackson to be our 3rd SG.

We wouldnt be so small afterall.

[knee-knee-3]

I've been a proponent of bringing Finley back if no other options are available, but Pargo would be an upgrade at Fin's spot too. Fin can't defend or rebound. Pargo provides more upside.

[DPG21920]

Thank you for taking my joking comment seriously.

You were responding to AHF, so was I.

[T Park]

Nice mature, relevant, thought out take. As usual...

Yeah if I threw in a "dumb carny" comment I would be just like you.

[jcrod]

It will be a good signing, but still sucks because they drafted Hill in the first round.

Oh well, as long as they have something else going on like a trade its all good.

[Taking it to the Hole]

No way the Spurs sign Pargo,(which I still think is not going to happen) and keep Hill on the same roster. Nope, I think Pop is going to take his chances with Hill and Pargo will probably resign with the Hornets even though we can offer him more. These things always seem to degrade quickly once people start talking about them.

[Sense]

The Spurs have been gradually going smaller and smaller. Udoka comes in last year as a smallish wing. 6'-9" Thomas replaces the 7' Elson. 6'-5" Mason for 6'-7" Barry. It's looking like 6'-8" Tolliver for 6'-10" Horry. Now Pargo, who on his own merits regardless of size, would be an excellent value signing. At least they appear to be adding scoring punch. I still smell a trade.

What does that smell like?

[spurscenter]

i take Finley over Pargo

[benefactor]

I have never been high on Pargo as a player, but I think in our scenario it makes sense. We could get him for cheap, get rid of Vaughn and Hill could spend some time as the 3rd man back until we really find out what we have in him. He could also head to Austin for a year.

[Streakyshooter08]

If the Spurs really sign Pargo I would like it. I highly doubt the Spurs would keep 4 PGs on the roster especially if Mason also has the ability to run the point a few minutes. I like that Pargo is a decent 3 Point shooter and can score. One can only hope that Vaughn is on his way out or the Spurs are not sold on Hill really contributing right away.

I would like a little more size on the wing. Bowen is their tallest player with 6'7.We'll see what happens. I usually don't like if a rumor comes up before it is officially done. I can't remember the last time the Spurs signed a player after it hit the newspaper...

[urunobili]

i called this when i bumped the Free agent Jannero Pargo thread :cool

[FlAVaK]

Another Jeff McDonald classic piece of suckiness (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=suckiness)

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/archives/2008/08/jeff_mcdonald_s_12.html
The team still has a $2.9 million biannual exception at its disposal, more than double the $1.08 million Pargo would have earned next season in New Orleans had he not opted out of his contract.

[MannyIsGod]

Wow - I think they're really down on Hill which is fucking amazing considering they just drafted him. If they sign Pargo and don't manage to trade Hill then I don't know how you can say anything other than Hill was a bad pick.

[I. Hustle]

What does that smell like?

Smells like sex

[SenorSpur]

Wow - I think they're really down on Hill which is fucking amazing considering they just drafted him. If they sign Pargo and don't manage to trade Hill then I don't know how you can say anything other than Hill was a bad pick.

I remember RC saying, during an interview in the last SL game, that he liked what he saw out of Hill, yet he was playing too cautiously. He wanted him to simply go out and play relaxed, setup offense and not worry about making mistakes. I'm sure that, defensively, he was about what they expected. I'd be surprised if they were down on him so soon.

BTW, getting rid of Vaughn is a nice thought. However unless they cut him, I doubt they'll be able to duimp him on another, unsuspecting team.

[Mr. Body]

This is what you get drafting a 2nd round talent with your 1st round pick. Hill will be okay in the long run, maybe even medium run, but it was a bad pick at that spot.

[Sissiborgo]

Ughhh i hope they don't :bang

Why he's a greta player!:ihit

[MannyIsGod]

I just don't see who would want Hill in a trade. He hasnt' wowed anyone in summer league so wtf? I'm not convinced the Spurs have soured on Hill but why pick him if you're going to pick up Pargo? Maybe they didn't think they had a shot at Pargo?

Maybe they haven't soured on Hill but they're going after Pargo just cause they have the space and nothing else to burn it on? I don't get it.

[1Parker1]

This makes u wonder exactly how much the Spurs wasted away a valuable first round pick yet again in the draft this season. This year especially when there were so many good players still left on board.

Regardless, Pargo would definitely be a great signing :tu Hopefully it's a trade that ships Bonner/Vaughn and not a FA agency signing.

[mrspurs]

if this is true, it would be the best move the spurs have made as of yet....none of the rookies, or kurt thomas will take us to the real game. pargo on somenights is better then parker and would give both parker and manu rest during the season, while not turning us into a losing machine, not only that, grabbing pargo makes NO's team worse.....if we have the chance at getting pargo and dont get him cos, some of the dummys in here say he is to short, then i ask......why the heck sign kurt thomas? im all for pargo and getting rid of hill and vaughn, neither one of them is gonna help the spurs now or in the next few seasons.....

[Marcus Bryant]

Carl Landry
Craig Smith
Paul Millsap
Jason Maxiell
Linas Kleiza
David Lee
Brandon Bass
Monta Ellis
Ryan Gomes
Kevin Martin
Leandro Barbosa
Josh Howard
Kyle Korver
Two guys, I think their names are Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili or something.

All drafted at or below 26 in the last five years (well, except for our boys).

You were saying?

So a little over 2 draftees a year.

[TJastal]

This makes u wonder exactly how much the Spurs wasted away a valuable first round pick yet again in the draft this season. This year especially when there were so many good players still left on board.

Regardless, Pargo would definitely be a great signing :tu Hopefully it's a trade that ships Bonner/Vaughn and not a FA agency signing.

Agree that the pick was a waste, If Hill makes the roster he is going to be asked to play point guard most of the time, something he showed he isn't comfortable doing in summer league play. If Popavtch wanted a pure point guard, why didn't he take Mario Chalmers then? :bang

And backup point guard certainly didn't address the spurs greatest needs. The #1 priority going into this off season should have been getting a tall, mobile 3 that can shoot the rock, followed closely with a shotblocking type big man to help Duncan. Thomas is a good rebounder and position defender, but he doesn't block too many shots. Waiting to see what Mahinmi can do, but not too hopeful after summer league.

Using that logic, the pick at #26 should have been Donte Greene, who was picked shortly afterwards. And selecting Greene likely would have opened the door for the spurs to enter the Ron Artest sweepstakes (IF they wanted to go that route) since the Kings wanted Greene.

Anyhow, here the spurs are now, looking at signing Pargo who is proven NBA ready at either point guard or shooting guard at a very reasonable 2m/yr.

This would be an excellent signing IMO. If they pull this off it would make up somewhat for missing Greene. Pargo gives the spurs a great backup to Parker who IMO is ready to plug n play immediately, whereas Hill is going to need a few years of adjusting to a new position and talent level.

[TJastal]

if this is true, it would be the best move the spurs have made as of yet....none of the rookies, or kurt thomas will take us to the real game. pargo on somenights is better then parker and would give both parker and manu rest during the season, while not turning us into a losing machine, not only that, grabbing pargo makes NO's team worse.....if we have the chance at getting pargo and dont get him cos, some of the dummys in here say he is to short, then i ask......why the heck sign kurt thomas? im all for pargo and getting rid of hill and vaughn, neither one of them is gonna help the spurs now or in the next few seasons.....

Hehe, for once I solidly agree with your post, mrspurs :toast

[Spuradicator]

Pargo....Hmmm I guess...

[SenorSpur]

Agree that the pick was a waste, If Hill makes the roster he is going to be asked to play point guard most of the time, something he showed he isn't comfortable doing in summer league play. If Popavtch wanted a pure point guard, why didn't he take Mario Chalmers then? :bang



One point that has gotten lost is just how difficult it is to convert an amateur SG into an NBA-ready PG. The PG position, similar to the QB position in football, is, without question, the toughest position to learn in basketball.

The learning curve and the conversion process itself can take years to complete - if it's successful at all. Hell, it takes years for natural PGs, who have previous college or international experience, to adjust to the position at the NBA level. Remember how long it took for our young, talented, French PG to make the adjustment. The road to the NBA is littered with young SGs, who never made the transition.

The Spurs sold their souls on Hill. It's still waay to early to call Hill a bust, but it may be overly optimistic to expect immediate contributions from him this season. However, it does make one question why they didn't take a flyer on a more NBA-ready PG like Chalmers.

Meanwhile, a potential Pargo acquisition would be a smart one. Just don't depend on him winning a Game 7 for you. :lol

[BWS-1994]

Pargo joining the Spurs might mean less minutes for Hill and sayonara to Fin.

But if it opens a trade and a possibility to play Gist, then it's all good.

[hater]

Seems like Hill has not impressed.

pargo > hill

pargo > vaughn

[Hemotivo]

carlos arroyo was also contacted by the spurs, but he choose Maccabi

[024]

it's ridiculous if you guys think pargo will be a good signing. spurs have to be desperate to sign someone who shoots 39% in the regular season. pargo is the person who single handedly saved the spurs from losing to the hornets. when the hornets counted on pargo to back up chris paul, he shot a whopping 28% against the spurs. his "instant offense" consists of bricking and missing big shots. pargo is also a volume shooter. he'll need to shoot a lot to score a lot. will not fit the spurs at all.

[timvp]

carlos arroyo was also contacted by the spurs, but he choose MaccabiGot a link on that? It'd be yet another strike against what the Spurs think of Hill.

Unfortunately. :depressed

[urunobili]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98570&highlight=Pargo&page=2


Adding Pargo would be redundant.


Pargo's natural position is the 2.

For a bench scorer, we could do worse.


he deserves full MLE... probably for our needs he is > Azubuike

cheaper than that... a bargain for the role he'll have if he ever makes it to the team

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Adding Pargo would be great since Hill hasn't exactly wowed us with his scoring abilities just yet as Pargo can do. But then again, it would show that the Spurs don't have as much faith in him than the day they drafted him.

Also, if the Spurs signed Pargo it would make our backcourt the smallest in the NBA. I mean look at it. Hell, I'll even add the SF position:
Bowen 6-7/Udoka 6-5
Mason 6-5/Manu 6-6
Tony 6-3/Pargo 6-1/Hill 6-2/Vaughn 6-1

Of those 3 positions we only have 2 players at least 6-6, that's pretty damn small. Especially considering Hill has the potential to be a player just like Pargo, if not better, would make this signing somewhat redundant. If we sign Pargo, there's gotta be a trade coming.

[thispego]

Adding Pargo would be great since Hill hasn't exactly wowed us with his scoring abilities just yet as Pargo can do. But then again, it would show that the Spurs don't have as much faith in him than the day they drafted him.

Also, if the Spurs signed Pargo it would make our backcourt the smallest in the NBA. I mean look at it. Hell, I'll even add the SF position:
Bowen 6-7/Udoka 6-5
Mason 6-5/Manu 6-6
Tony 6-3/Pargo 6-1/Hill 6-2/Vaughn 6-1

Of those 3 positions we only have 2 players at least 6-6, that's pretty damn small. Especially considering Hill has the potential to be a player just like Pargo, if not better, would make this signing somewhat redundant. If we sign Pargo, there's gotta be a trade coming.

thanks timvp and fromwaydowntown

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

You're welcome.

[Solid D]

Just because there is Pargo-smoke doesn't mean there is Hill-hate with the Spurs' FO....

Bookmark this thread, it might be worth keeping and laughing at later.

:wakeup

[hater]

Just because there is Pargo-smoke doesn't mean there is Hill-hate with the Spurs' FO....


hate is such a strong word. desilusion, displeasure, dissatisfaction, failure is more like it.

I am sure they still beleive in Hill though.

[Solid D]

hate is such a strong word...

:tu

[Hemotivo]

Got a link on that? It'd be yet another strike against what the Spurs think of Hill.

Unfortunately. :depressed

http://www.primerahora.com/noticia/baloncesto/acciondeportiva/arroyo:_tome_la_decision_correcta/216747


La primera opción del armador Carlos Arroyo era permanecer en la NBA. Sin embargo, a pesar de que conversó con equipos tales como Denver, Miami, Sacramento, San Antonio y Golden State, ninguna de las ofertas presentadas fue de su agrado y, por ello, decidió estampar su firma para unirse al club Maccabi Tel Aviv de la liga israelí.

[Supergirl]

People don't get it: They picked Hill because they saw in him the most defensive-minded, NBA-ready PG available. Period. Pop has said this quite explicitly.

People can disagree with this opinion all they want, but Pop and RC are the ones paid to make these decisions, not you.

[Mr. Body]

People can disagree with this opinion all they want, but Pop and RC are the ones paid to make these decisions, not you.

All this time I've been under the illusion I was getting paid to make these decisions, not them. Thank God: I've been worried about my paychecks.

[Hemotivo]

:lol

[tav1]

The Spurs have been gradually going smaller and smaller. Udoka comes in last year as a smallish wing. 6'-9" Thomas replaces the 7' Elson. 6'-5" Mason for 6'-7" Barry. It's looking like 6'-8" Tolliver for 6'-10" Horry. Now Pargo, who on his own merits regardless of size, would be an excellent value signing. At least they appear to be adding scoring punch. I still smell a trade.

I agree. I like Pargo, but something is not quite right here. A trade might be coming.

But the Spurs are absolutely adding more shooting and more ball handlers, which is good, especially for Mahinmi's development.

In addition to the bad news for Hill, this also looks bad for Hairston.

[xtremesteven33]

seems like when there is a rumor signing for the spurs, it never really happens. they end up going for someone completely different.

Hill over Chalmers
Mason over Azubuike/Maggette
Tolliver over Gist/Hill


whats it gonna be this time?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Tolliver over Gist/Hill
That one doesn't really fit in with the others.

[SPURSGOAT]

If this is true I see it as either Hill is 3rd string instead of Vaughn or Hill goes to Austin for a year or two...

[xtremesteven33]

That one doesn't really fit in with the others.



yea it does. no one really expected that signing to happen. there were no rumors of it till about 2 days before it happened. we all thought that Hill would be the first guy signed by the way Pop and the FO was raving over him.

[SPURSGOAT]

seems like when there is a rumor signing for the spurs, it never really happens. they end up going for someone completely different.

Hill over Chalmers
Mason over Azubuike/Maggette
Tolliver over Gist/Hill


whats it gonna be this time?

There is no rush to sign either Gist or Hill yet like there was with Tolliver. They had to sign Tolliver to something to hold on to him. Hill & Gist can be signed at training camp...

[Mr. Body]

They'll probably sign Hill and Gist when they see how much money is left. They may not be able to afford Gist, I don't know. But there's no rush there. They may beg one or both of them to go to Europe.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

With the Spurs going so small, aside from scoring, is anyone concerned with how much this could limit our rebounding?

Rebounding has been an absolute achilles heel for the Spurs, but will the current roster be enough to offset that problem? Udoka rebounded well in spurts, and we still have KT And Duncan. However, I'm still concerned with SA giving up too many boards this coming season.

Second chance points absolutely murdered us against the Lakers.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

And I think a pargo signing would be superb. Wasn't he the one guy that was consistent in the Dallas series for NO? He was instant offense from the bench and I would take his jumpshot any day of the week over Finley's.....and yet Pargo isn't even an SG.

[Mr. Body]

With the Spurs going so small, aside from scoring, is anyone concerned with how much this could limit our rebounding?

They're gonna get murderized by not scoring or rebounding. Same as last year; nothing's changed.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

yea it does.
The other two show the Spurs making a choice of the one they want between the 2/3, while that one doesn't fit because we can still sign all 3.

no one really expected that signing to happen.
Very few of us did.

there were no rumors of it till about 2 days before it happened.
Like half of all rumors turn out that way.

we all thought that Hill would be the first guy signed by the way Pop and the FO was raving over him.
They have all offseason to sign Hill, signing him first isn't really a big deal.
Everyone should've known that if they had shown interest in Tolliver, they would've signed him first since he's the only one that can actually get away from the Spurs.

[Bartleby]

With the Spurs going so small, aside from scoring, is anyone concerned with how much this could limit our rebounding?

Rebounding has been an absolute achilles heel for the Spurs, but will the current roster be enough to offset that problem? Udoka rebounded well in spurts, and we still have KT And Duncan. However, I'm still concerned with SA giving up too many boards this coming season.

Second chance points absolutely murdered us against the Lakers.

Good point, but it seems worth noting that Hill is a great rebounder for his size (and oddly enough Mahinmi isn't).

Also, I suspect that much of the rebounding woes against the Lakers had to do with age and fatigue more than anything.

[xtremesteven33]

Bottomtooth, let me put it like this.

if i were to ask you 1 month ago who would be signed first. Hill or Tolliver, who would you pick?

[loveforthegame]

Not sure what to think of this.

It would be an excellent signing for the Spurs if he's backing up Parker and it means Vaughn is on the move. I don't see how it affects resigning Finley because Pargo isn't a shooting guard though he could spot some minutes there.

I hope the FO hasn't given up on Hill but could they have to use him in a trade to get rid of Bonner?

[Bartleby]

Unless they are getting back somebody they really need in return, I don't see why they would do that. Bonner (and his contract) is not the albatross so many people around here make him out to be.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Bottomtooth, let me put it like this.

if i were to ask you 1 month ago who would be signed first. Hill or Tolliver, who would you pick?

A month ago people didn't even know who Tolliver was.

Let me put it like this:

Hill (Spurs drafted) over Chalmers (Spurs no longer have the chance of acquiring)
Mason (Spurs signed) over Azubuike/Maggette (Spurs no longer have the chance of acquiring)

Tolliver (Spurs signed) over Hill/Gist/Hairston (all the Spurs still have the chance of signing)

See how it doesn't fit?

[nil.ball]

So does this mean I probably shouldn't select G. Hill to my fantasy team? :depressed

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I hear there's a 3 way trade going down between the Spurs, Bulls, and Nuggets.
Spurs getting Ben Gordon.
Nuggets getting Kirk Hinrich.
Bulls getting Hill, Bonner, Nene.

Of course the trade doesn't really work out, they're still putting together the final pieces.








Okay, so I lied about that. That would be cool though, huh?

[peacemaker885]

I hear there's a 3 way trade going down between the Spurs, Bulls, and Nuggets.
Spurs getting Ben Gordon.
Nuggets getting Kirk Hinrich.
Bulls getting Hill, Bonner, Nene.

Of course the trade doesn't really work out, they're still putting together the final pieces.

Okay, so I lied about that. That would be cool though, huh?

BS MAN! Don't do that!

[T Park]

yeah lying about trades is so cool

[Mr. Body]

So does this mean I probably shouldn't select G. Hill to my fantasy team? :depressed

Not if fg% is important to you.

[xtremesteven33]

A month ago people didn't even know who Tolliver was.



exactly my point.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

exactly my point.

Still doesn't quite fit in with your analogy.

[xtremesteven33]

i said from the beginning that the Spurs end up signing a player we either never heard of or never saw coming a mile away.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

i said from the beginning that the Spurs end up signing a player we either never heard of or never saw coming a mile away.

I'm pretty sure people started noticing Tolliver when he played in SL with the Spurs.

[xtremesteven33]

yea but most people did not see him being the first guy we would sign.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

yeah lying about trades is so cool

Not lying about trades is cool, but if the trade I started came true, that would be pretty cool.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

yea but most people did not see him being the first guy we would sign.



Everyone should've known that if they had shown interest in Tolliver, they would've signed him first since he's the only one that can actually get away from the Spurs.

[Mister Sinister]

Not lying about trades is cool, but if the trade I started came true, that would be pretty cool.
I think Mr. Bottomtooth is a pretty cool guy. eh lies about trades and doesn't afraid of anything.

[Manufan909]

Yeah, because the consequences on ST are SOOOO horrible...

[baseline bum]

With the Spurs going so small, aside from scoring, is anyone concerned with how much this could limit our rebounding?

Rebounding has been an absolute achilles heel for the Spurs, but will the current roster be enough to offset that problem? Udoka rebounded well in spurts, and we still have KT And Duncan. However, I'm still concerned with SA giving up too many boards this coming season.

Second chance points absolutely murdered us against the Lakers.

Pargo and Barry are equally awful rebounders.

[Solid D]

IMO, if Pargo makes that 3 in transition to tie the game with a minute left, Pargo would have already been locked up and this thread wouldn't be here.

[Manufan909]

So this is all bullshit, isn't it?

[xtremesteven33]

i can definitely see Pargo in a spurs uniform.




but thats what i said about maggette also..haha.




:(

[urunobili]

i can't see Pargo in a spurs uniform.




but thats what i said about maggette also..haha.

Reverse Jinx


:(

[lurker23]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9692

(Hoopsworld)

Jannero Pargo And The Spurs: The New Orleans Hornets had made it clear that they wanted to retain Jannero Pargo when their season ended in May. They justified "selling off" their draft pick as creating room to re-sign Jannero and it seemed that he might finally get his long-term security. Here we are in August and there is not deal with the Hornets, and word is the San Antonio Spurs may have a two-year, $3 million offer on the table. Pargo's agent Mark Bartelstein told the San Antonio Express-News "The Spurs speak for themselves... It's a great place to play. They are limited in what they can do financially, but we are definitely talking to them." It is believed the Hornets are trying to see what they can do to create a better offer, but with San Antonio now in the picture in a serious way the clock is ticking for the Hornets.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

WTF that'd be a crazy ass steal. I know it's Hoopsworld, yeah.

If that's actually the deal, we'd have ~400K in the MLE or LLE left, which is pretty much nothing.

[anakha]

I think we're getting to the point that an automatic "It's Hoopsworld, leave all logic and belief in the facts at the door" disclaimer should be added when posting articles from that site. :lol

[xtremesteven33]

Pargo is a polished up Hill

[coopdogg3]

And the Spurs have some negotiating room to go to 2-year/$3.8 million. If they can hook him for $3 million. They could perhaps land him for $3.8 million. But then we have 4 pgs, so I guess they're working on a trade as well.

[Manufan909]

I'm guessing if this is true, then it's Toro time for Hill. I'd laugh my ass off if Gist gets more minute than Ian or Hill this upcoming season.

Fuck, the offseason is boring.

[I. Hustle]

Fuck, the offseason is boring.

:shootme

[xtremesteven33]

Potentially, in a non-jinxy way...

PG-Parker/Pargo/Vaughn/Hill
SG-Ginobili/Mason
SF-Bowen/Udoka/Gist
PF-Duncan/Mahimni/Tolliver/Bonner
C-Thomas/Oberto


my guess is the spurs will try and sign Pargo and hope to trade for a PF/C or a SG.

i guess theyre looking to move Vaughn/Bonner/Hill...maybe throw in a Udoka.
who would want those players while trading a good player?

then again we saw Camby go for a 2nd round draft pick...haha

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I can't see this going down. FA's love to tease the spurs.

[coopdogg3]

I can't see this going down. FA's love to tease the spurs.

Yeah, that's probably true. New Orleans will probably step up to the plate now and get Pargo signed.

[Manufan909]

If that's going to be it, I hope Vaughn, Tolliver, and Bonner show up to every game in street clothes. I like Bonner, but I can't think of anyone I'd bench over him. Ian better learn quick.

And I don't see Pargo happening AT ALL. A trade I'd like to see would be Tolliver/Bonner/Oberto+money for Bogut. But that would leave us short on bigs AND they wouldn't want that crap anyways.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

A trade I'd like to see would be Tolliver/Bonner/Oberto+money for Bogut. But that would leave us short on bigs AND they wouldn't want that crap anyways.

And that isn't enough financially. Just saying.

[benefactor]

I have thought about this some this morning and it became so obvious....

The Spurs said that getting a backup PG was the #1 priority in the draft. They wanted someone they thought could contribute immediately and Hill looked more like that player to them than CDR or Chalmers.

But think about it....even if they take CDR or Chalmers and Pargo still comes available which direction do you go? Do you keep your rookie who is a crapshoot and may or may not be able to fill the backup PG role when the playoffs get here? Or...do you go with the playoff experienced PG who has shown he can pick up his game in the playoffs. Pargo does not need the development and CAN contribute immediately.

Hill, CDR and Chalmers may all be good...maybe even great PG's someday. But our window is closing and we need someone who is ready now.

[ceperez]

Yeah for $2M starting price, he's a good deal. Plus it would hurt the Hornets and that's also good.

By glancing at the numbers, the Hornets look like they are pretty darn close to the luxury tax threshold after signing Posey. Perhaps the Spurs know they can outbid the Hornets if the Hornets won't go over the threshold.

Something is definitely up since the Spurs have stalled before making the obvious moves of re-signing Finley and signing draft picks such as Hill and Gist. I guess part of the delay could be a Pargo pursuit.

Defnitely a good move if it also takes away a potential weapon from the Hornets.

I do like the move, he was definitely causing havoc in game 7. He could possibly do it again when it really counts.

With Pargo in the mix, we'll have a log jam of undersized guards. If we do get him, it certainly looks like Hill may be off to the D-league. Very unfortunate. :blah

[wildbill2u]

Per WOAI tonight.

Also, his agent said he and the Spurs are talking.

Speculation is that the Spurs have yet to resign Finley because they're talking to Pargo.

WOW! This is exciting. Just the kind of bold move (on a par with Rockets signing Artest, O'Neal trade, etc) I was hoping the Spurs would try over the offseason.

[/sarcasm}

[T Park]

hoopsworld? Shoot it's not happening now....

[ceperez]

Not sure what to think of this.

It would be an excellent signing for the Spurs if he's backing up Parker and it means Vaughn is on the move. I don't see how it affects resigning Finley because Pargo isn't a shooting guard though he could spot some minutes there.

I hope the FO hasn't given up on Hill but could they have to use him in a trade to get rid of Bonner?

On the contrary, it does affect Finley. That's because we'll have 14 players under contract.

Let's see... Duncan, Thomas, Mahinmi
Oberto, Bonner, Tolliver*
Bowen, Udoka, (Finley or Gist)
Ginobli, Mason
Parker, Vaughn, Pargo, Hill*

* is reserve player.

It'll then be Gist vs. Finley for the reserve spot. Clearly unlikely to sign a vet to a reserve spot.

[timaios]

Wow, a NBA player uses the Spurs to raise his market value in the league.
Can you say... deja vu ?

Mason and Pargo have the same agent. Maybe the Spurs do him a favor with that rumor.

[DPG21920]

Rookie year scoring
Carl Landry: 8 pts
Craig Smith: 7.4 pts
Paul Millsap: 6.8 pts
Jason Maxiell: 2.3 pts
Linas Kleiza: 3.5 pts
David Lee: 5.1 pts
Brandon Bass: 2.3 pts
Monta Ellis: 6.8 pts
Ryan Gomes:7.6 pts
Kevin Martin: 2.9 pts
Leandro Barbosa: 7.9 pts
Josh Howard: 8.6 pts
Kyle Korver: 4.5 pts


Freaks of nature that have allowed the Spurs to win 4 championships. How many other teams have drafted like that? Peoples willingness to jump ship because of a story is not only alarming, but telling. It tells you what people really think. There will be no hiding now one way or another. If Hill is involved in a trade that brings us someone valuable in a position we need and allows us to sign Pargo, than fantastic. That is great value for a #26 pick. If he plays and defends well and averages 6 points in 14 minutes a game, than fantastic, he gives us as much value as everyone on AHF's list in their rookie season.


to be fair, AHF, about half your list were crap to mediocre their rookie year. yes, they may be good players now, but they didnt have it from the get go.


So a little over 2 draftees a year.

[VaSpursFan]

i like this signing if true. that said, i get the feeling that pargo like most other FA's is simply using the Spurs to drive up his market value.

no excitement on my part until it's official.

[bigdog]

correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Hornets also pretty limited financially after the signing of Posey?

I think we may have a shot at this. I don't really like it, unless there's a trade in the works, but this is hoopsworld, so I guess I won't get my hopes up.

[DROB4EVER]

I would love to have him, he can play the 1 or 2 and can shoot lights out. His fg% will go way up if he plays with a team that has a great post player like duncan.

I think he might be using this as leverage to get a better deal from NO. Do they have his bird rights? If we do sign him I think that assures us Hariston will not be a spur next year.

And we would have to let vaughn walk.....lots of teams are looking for a cheep backup pg with a short term contract...ie Miami. We may be able to dish him off to someone for a futrue second rounder.

[coopdogg3]

According to Hoopshype, the Hornets are at $63 million and only have 10 players signed. So they may be willing to let Pargo go, since they're gonna get hit by the luxury tax. Next year should be just as bad for them, as Chris Paul will get his big new contract. So they may also be shy about offering a 2-year contract.

That being said, the Spurs have been burned enough to get your hopes up.

[DROB4EVER]

According to Hoopshype, the Hornets are at $63 million and only have 10 players signed. So they may be willing to let Pargo go, since they're gonna get hit by the luxury tax. Next year should be just as bad for them, as Chris Paul will get his big new contract. So they may also be shy about offering a 2-year contract.

That being said, the Spurs have been burned enough to get your hopes up.

Don you think losing him would really hurt the Hornets? I mean they have no backup to Paul and are thin at the 2. I consider Posey a 3.

[SenorSpur]

Now Hoopworld has latched onto the story, so that probably means it wont happen.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9692

Jannero Pargo And The Spurs: The New Orleans Hornets had made it clear that they wanted to retain Jannero Pargo when their season ended in May. They justified "selling off" their draft pick as creating room to re-sign Jannero and it seemed that he might finally get his long-term security. Here we are in August and there is not deal with the Hornets, and word is the San Antonio Spurs may have a two-year, $3 million offer on the table. Pargo's agent Mark Bartelstein told the San Antonio Express-News "The Spurs speak for themselves... It's a great place to play. They are limited in what they can do financially, but we are definitely talking to them." It is believed the Hornets are trying to see what they can do to create a better offer, but with San Antonio now in the picture in a serious way the clock is ticking for the Hornets.

[SPURSGOAT]

I can't see this going down. FA's love to tease the spurs.


Yea if anything this is just probably happening so the Hornets will hurry up and offer Pargo even more money... I won't believe it til he actually signs on the dotted line. :nope

[mrspurs]

Tpark you fucking fat fuck Shut the fuck up you fucking ass kisser

mercy......was mc hammer breast feeding you as well.....?

[Sissiborgo]

mercy......was mc hammer breast feeding you as well.....?

hahaha:lmao

[Sissiborgo]

We should without a doubt sign him..Great shooter quick just what we need!

[Spurs Brazil]

I think if we sign Pargo we'll trade Hill.

Hill is not signed yet. Maybe someone offered something Spurs liked.

[Spurs Brazil]

New Orleans Hornets guard Jannero Pargo could sign with another team
Posted by Jimmy Smith, The Times-Picayune August 05, 2008 1:27PM
Categories: Hornets
It appears the Hornets might be ready to live with Mike James as a backup point guard this season allowing Janerro Pargo to sign with another NBA team, possibly the San Antonio Spurs.

Pargo's agent, Mark Bartelstein said the Hornets "don't seem interested in signing (Pargo) at this point. I don't think he'll be back with them at this point."

Hornets general manager Jeff Bower on Tuesday declined to comment on any on-going negotiations with free agents.

Pargo, 28, opted out of his contract with the Hornets earlier this summer to test the free-agent market.

Bartelstein said he really couldn't characterize the Hornets' interest or lack thereof in retaining Pargo, who last season was Coach Byron Scott's first reserve point guard option when Chris Paul needed a rest. Pargo averaged 9 points a game for the Hornets last season and 18 minutes per game in 80 games. In 12 playoff games, Pargo averaged 22 minutes per game and 10.2 points.

Pargo has drawn some interest from at least two Western Conference teams, the Denver Nuggets and this week from the Spurs.

The San Antonio Express News Tuesday morning quotes Bartelstein as saying the parties have discussed options.
http://blog.nola.com/hornetsbeat/2008/08/new_orleans_hornets_guard_jann.html

[mrspurs]

Hehe, for once I solidly agree with your post, mrspurs :toast

careful now......you keep this up and i might share the best spot calveras lake has to offer for fishing...ill give ya a hint, its near the damn, you can only get their by boat, unless of course you know the people who own the property across from the park side of the lake(where you have to pay)......those persons would be CPS, 3 others familys, me being one of them....put a fishing line in the water, bring some big red, ill provide a laptop with all the broadband spurs games etc. and i guarantee reds,cats and stripers beyond your imagination......life is good.....shhhhhhhhhh

[ChumpDumper]

Near the damn what?

[mrspurs]

it's ridiculous if you guys think pargo will be a good signing. spurs have to be desperate to sign someone who shoots 39% in the regular season. pargo is the person who single handedly saved the spurs from losing to the hornets. when the hornets counted on pargo to back up chris paul, he shot a whopping 28% against the spurs. his "instant offense" consists of bricking and missing big shots. pargo is also a volume shooter. he'll need to shoot a lot to score a lot. will not fit the spurs at all.

isnt that exactly what the spurs are made of.....bring him off the bench see if he's on or off? did it ever click that pargos bad offensive shooting was because of the spurs defense.....while im asking what is hills nba shooting percentage? ill tell ya...........0 percent from everywhere on the court...

[xtremesteven33]

careful now......you keep this up and i might share the best spot calveras lake has to offer for fishing...ill give ya a hint, its near the damn, you can only get their by boat, unless of course you know the people who own the property across from the park side of the lake(where you have to pay)......those persons would be CPS, 3 others familys, me being one of them....put a fishing line in the water, bring some big red, ill provide a laptop with all the broadband spurs games etc. and i guarantee reds,cats and stripers beyond your imagination......life is good.....shhhhhhhhhh



i fish off the dam too but off land.

i wish i had a boat

[mrspurs]

i fish off the dam too but off land.

i wish i had a boat

look across from where your fishing(where the damn is), you see all that open space with noone but land and no way of getting their but by boat......thats where me and my buddies fish everyday when god allows......we dont need a boat, just feet....sometime we sit and wonder if those on the other side are catching anything while we're reeling them in....hahahaha

[tav1]

I've not read this entire thread, but my one concern about Pargo (other than how he fits with the current roster) is that his percentages are modest. He's a streak shooter. But for the money he is a good signing.

[ceperez]

I've not read this entire thread, but my one concern about Pargo (other than how he fits with the current roster) is that his percentages are modest. He's a streak shooter. But for the money he is a good signing.

For the LLE ($1.9 million) definitely a good signing.

If this means that we waive Vaughn, then I'm extremely thrilled!

[tav1]

For the LLE ($1.9 million) definitely a good signing.

If this means that we waive Vaughn, then I'm extremely thrilled!

Vaughn should stay, but as a coach.

[VaSpursFan]

Vaughn should stay, but as a coach.

as long as he's not on the court, i'm good :lmao

[ceperez]

Latest word out is that the Hornet's are NOT interested in his services.

Look like he may have pissed off Chris Paul when he tried to play hero against the Spurs.

Well the Spurs tend to like hiring players who played well against them. There's a better than even chance we sign Pargo now.

Looks our rotation now looks like this:

Thomas/Oberto
Duncan/Mahinmi/Bonner/Tolliver
Bowen/Udoka/Finley
Ginobli/Mason
Parker/Pargo/Hill/Vaughn

With Gist being the odd man out! :-(

Unless it's like this:

Thomas/Oberto
Duncan/Mahinmi/Bonner/Tolliver
Bowen/Udoka/Finley/Gist
Ginobli/Mason
Parker/Pargo/Hill

with Hill, Gist and Tolliver in street clothes.

[Brutalis]

I think if anyone here knows Pargo best it would be me considering I watched him play at Arkansas in person and have been following his career since.

And what I would say is...










































NO
NO
NO
NO
NO
NO
NoOOOOooooO

[Brutalis]

I've not read this entire thread, but my one concern about Pargo (other than how he fits with the current roster) is that his percentages are modest. He's a streak shooter. But for the money he is a good signing.

Streak shooter?

You know the noise your windshield wipers make in the rain when they need to be replaced? That's Pargo.

You know that one wet spot on the floor nobody fell from but one idiot decided to go dribble on it and lose the ball? That's Pargo.

You know the most ignorant kid in school who you warned "don't do that you will regret it" but did it anyways because his IQ is that of a marsh mellow? THAT'S PARGO.

[xtremesteven33]

Streak shooter?

You know the noise your windshield wipers make in the rain when they need to be replaced? That's Pargo.

You know that one wet spot on the floor nobody fell from but one idiot decided to go dribble on it and lose the ball? That's Pargo.

You know the most ignorant kid in school who you warned "don't do that you will regret it" but did it anyways because his IQ is that of a marsh mellow? THAT'S PARGO.



HAHA CLASSIC DUDE!!

[Doug Collins]

Streak shooter?

You know the noise your windshield wipers make in the rain when they need to be replaced? That's Pargo.

You know that one wet spot on the floor nobody fell from but one idiot decided to go dribble on it and lose the ball? That's Pargo.

You know the most ignorant kid in school who you warned "don't do that you will regret it" but did it anyways because his IQ is that of a marsh mellow? THAT'S PARGO.

So basically, you're Pargo.

[T Park]

brutaliz as always is wrong. Ignore him.

[Marcus Bryant]

How long until the Athens Aristotles offer him 3 years and $73 millions?

[ChumpDumper]

This makes me hope we actually waiting on Vagisilis Spamopoulis.

[mrspurs]

HAHA CLASSIC DUDE!!

for a second there i thought you were referring to manu not pargo......being a madman on the court sometimes has its bads(most times has its goods), having two madmen on the court at the same time, could be so bad.....its scary.......ill take the scary, cos thats how the spurs would become by signing pargo...if you look at the roster right now,(and of course all rosters are on paper) there isnt anything scary about the spurs roster.(not in a 7 games series) its that simple

[I. Hustle]

Pargo is the black Artest

[Brutalis]

So basically, you're Pargo.

You're in the NWAR area right? Hell you know even the Hogmollies vent on how ignorant he was.

[Brutalis]

brutaliz as always is wrong. Ignore him.

Brutalis*

I'm always wrong? Please, elaborate for me with some evidence to your as always ignorance.

I find humor in someone who jumped back on the bandwagon calling anyone who posts here wrong.

[your_pimp]

No Pargo for you bitches, you are stucked with Vaughn LOL :lol

[completely deck]

"stucked"

Well, at least it makes me feel better knowing you didn't do well in school, Princess--I mean "your_pimp"

[xtremesteven33]

Article from Phoenix regarding Pargo rumors......



Spurs to land backup point guard before Suns


If rumors are true the San Antonio Spurs are about to land a quality backup point guard while the Suns have yet to address their situation.

The Spurs are on the verge of signing Jannero Pargo to backup Tony Parker. Pargo, formerly of the Hornets, averaged 8.1 points and 2.4 assists in limited playing time last season.

San Antonio is in a similar financial situation as the Suns and have been limited in their offer to Pargo. Reportedly the Spurs are offering $1.9 million for one season.

It seems the rich will get richer. While the Suns are trying to go bargain shopping for a back up to Steve Nash the Spurs have found a viable player to fill their need. Pargo will prove to be better for the Spurs than any option left on the table for the Suns.

Hopefully for the Suns sake this is just a rumor and the deal falls through. If not the Spurs just got a little deeper, a little better and it’s become a little less likely the Suns can beat them.



http://azsportshub.com/2008/08/05/spurs-to-land-backup-point-guard-before-suns/

[Brutalis]

No Pargo for you bitches, you are stucked with Vaughn LOL :lol

OH NOZ HE BAKKKK

[timvp]

Hopefully these Pargo rumors become truth pretty soon. I've begged for the Spurs to sign him every summer since 2003. This summer I thought there was no shot because he had played himself into a nice contract. Apparently there is a shot. :smokin

Pargo definitely has flaws but he can do one thing well ... create shots for himself and score the ball. Pop has had a hard time getting his backup point guards shot happy enough in the last half decade. With Pargo, Pop will never have to tell him to shoot. Pargo ballhog tendencies would be detrimental on a lot of teams but on the Spurs, Pop would love to have another bench player who can actually score the ball.

I'm not sure why the Spurs waiting all these years to get a guy who obviously would have been a nice fit behind Parker ... but better late than never. Now just have to hope they can close the deal. The Spurs came into the summer needing scoring and a pull of Mason and Pargo with the MLE would be a nice one.

[DPG21920]

Hopefully these Pargo rumors become truth pretty soon. I've begged for the Spurs to sign him every summer since 2003. This summer I thought there was no shot because he had played himself into a nice contract. Apparently there is a shot. :smokin

Pargo definitely has flaws but he can do one thing well ... create shots for himself and score the ball. Pop has had a hard time getting his backup point guards shot happy enough in the last half decade. With Pargo, Pop will never have to tell him to shoot. Pargo ballhog tendencies would be detrimental on a lot of teams but on the Spurs, Pop would love to have another bench player who can actually score the ball.

I'm not sure why the Spurs waiting all these years to get a guy who obviously would have been a nice fit behind Parker ... but better late than never. Now just have to hope they can close the deal. The Spurs came into the summer needing scoring and a pull of Mason and Pargo with the MLE would be a nice one.

Ya, but as mentioned before, what does that mean for Hill or Vaughn and what about the other positions where the Spurs lack depth (3/4)? If we can somehow trade Vaughn and end up with a Parker/Pargo/Hill 1 spot, then that is nice.

[DPG21920]

This makes me hope we actually waiting on Vagisilis Spamopoulis.

I think if this is true, then that would be much better than Pargo. I really hope it is true.

[cheguevara]

Hornets Unlikely To Re-Sign Pargo
The Hornets appear unlikely to re-sign free agent point guard Jannero Pargo at this point in the offseason, according to The Times-Picayune.

Mark Bartelstein, Pargo's agent, said Monday that the Hornets "don't seem interested in signing (Pargo) at this point. I don't think he'll be back with them at this point."

New Orleans general manager Jeff Bower declined to comment on the negotiations on Tuesday.

The Spurs appear to have emerged as the front-runner to land Pargo.




from NOLA.com


Pargo to the Spurs?
We've seen the Utah rumors and heard the big talk from his agent, but in the end, many observers expected New Orleans Hornets backup point guard Jannero Pargo to return to New Orleans. After all, if he hadn't signed elsewhere by now, surely he would see a return to the Crescent City as a more appealing option, wouldn't he?

Well, the boys in San Antonio, who seemingly love to pull the rug out from under the Hornets' feet, apparently have something to say about that.

According to a report by Jeff McDonald on Mysanantonio.com, Pargo's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is acknowledging ongoing talks between his client and the Spurs. And while he doesn't want to confirm anything just yet, some sources are going so far as to say a deal has been (or least will be shortly) struck.

Now, I've been vocal for months now about the importance of re-signing Pargo, so obviously this is some bad news from my perspective. Others will likely jump for joy.

So what are your thoughts? And perhaps more importantly, where should the Hornets turn their attention if Pargo joins the Spurs?

their poll:
Good riddance!
13%
I'd Hate to lose him... Pay him now!
47%
He's good but he can be replaced.
40%



looks like Pargo is a fan favorite. I think so too myself. spurs sing pargo, I will be pleased!

[cheguevara]

If Spurs get Pargo. It is safe to say, Spurs stole Pargo from NO. ok, maybe stole is too much. More like "lured"

[Spur-Addict]

Hopefully these Pargo rumors become truth pretty soon. I've begged for the Spurs to sign him every summer since 2003. This summer I thought there was no shot because he had played himself into a nice contract. Apparently there is a shot. :smokin

Pargo definitely has flaws but he can do one thing well ... create shots for himself and score the ball. Pop has had a hard time getting his backup point guards shot happy enough in the last half decade. With Pargo, Pop will never have to tell him to shoot. Pargo ballhog tendencies would be detrimental on a lot of teams but on the Spurs, Pop would love to have another bench player who can actually score the ball.

I'm not sure why the Spurs waiting all these years to get a guy who obviously would have been a nice fit behind Parker ... but better late than never. Now just have to hope they can close the deal. The Spurs came into the summer needing scoring and a pull of Mason and Pargo with the MLE would be a nice one.

Way better Avatar.

[DPG21920]

Way better Avatar.

He changed avatars?

[Spooky]

If we get him! Trade JV! Keep Hill. :flag: