Is Tim Duncan a Traitor?

[timvp]

With the Spurs boasting the best record in the league, Tim Duncan was out schmoozing with a free agent. While that seems harmless on the surface, you have to wonder what his teammates think. If Tim Duncan's schmooze is successful, one of the players on the team is out of a job (Linton Johnson III, Romain Sato, Mike Wilks?). Rasho Nesterovic, Robert Horry, Malik Rose, Tony Massenburg and Sean Marks will get their minutes cut ... if they remain on the team. That's over half the team directly effected by Duncan's date with Karl Malone.

Don't you think if you are a player on the team and Duncan is out there courting other players, that it would be a slap in the face? What kind of statement is it that the franchise player has such little faith in the team that he is out there trying to get an old man on one leg to come and play major minutes.

And what if Malone decides to hang it up for good? Is all forgotten or does Duncan lose some respect in the lockerroom?




I'm just axin'.

:smokin

[Kori Ellis]

http://www.nooksandniches.com/ProductImages/ourname/troublemug.gif

[timvp]

Serious questions, Princess. That would be like you going out on dates with other guys and being like, "well if it doesn't work out I'll be back later."








:flipoff :)

[Kori Ellis]

:lmao

That's not exactly the same thing.

Duncan is doing what he thinks is in the best interest of the team. And NBA basketball is a business. The Spurs are banged up in the front court and Duncan knows in the playoffs that he would like as much help as he can get upfront. The Spurs are solid in the backcourt and some insurance upfront (even in the form of a 40-something Malone coming off injury) is something that the team would like.

[timvp]

To me it seems like Tim Duncan is scared to be a vocal leader, but he has no problem back stabbing half the team.

Nice.

[xcoriate]

:lmao

[whottt]

Pop has been pretty up front about the team wanting Malone...and an article said they wanted Duncan to meet Malone to get Duncan's opinion on the impact Malone would have on team chemistry....

This is a little bit different from the blatant backstabbing that was done to Tony Parker...I think the team was pretty up front about this. Horry has already said he knew the team wanted Malone...Malik is used to being in the doghouse. The only guy I see having a problem with this is Massenburg. Mass didn't like being put on the IR with the Kings last season...


Of course...Malone is going to be a problem if he sucks, gurantee it. If he gets benched when he thinks he didn't need to be benched, I gurantee you he is going to go off in the media about being disrepected.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Rasho Nesterovic, Robert Horry, Malik Rose, Tony Massenburg and Sean Marks

I'd rather keep Tim Duncan happy then those guys

[xcoriate]

^^ Great point, keep TD happy, keep Manu and Parker happy to a second degree.

Of course you attempt to keep the rest of the team all good as well, but Mass is a guy that can probably be droppped without to much goin a stray.

He is not a big time contributer and only plays sparingly.

Marks - Very close with Tim it would seem not the kind of guy you want to cut if you wanna keep your star close.

Rose - To much history with the organisation to give up on.

Wilks - that third stringer that pop loves to have.

LJIII - the long three waiting in the wings that the coaching staff was ridiculously high on during the off season.

Sato - Is in his first year, and has too much "potential" to drop.

Horry - Are you kidding me? We aren't getting rid of Horry, too much expreience and smarts. He is one of the best vet minimum players around.

I dunno that pretty much everyone and everyone except mass has a reason not to get left off the roster. He is also the only one with a questionable character, he has been passed around like no other before him and has been labeled as locker room cancer in the past.

Unfortunately Mass seems to be the obvious subtraction should Malonne decide to end the drama and have another year in the league.










Oh wait thats half a year in the league.

[whottt]

I hate trying to predict what Pop will do...but my guess is that Malik will be the guy who goes to the IR and Marks will be the guy that gets cut.

I think it will be Malik because he probably has the game that is the most similar to Malone's...and Malik can really suck if he's not getting consistent minutes.

I just hope we don't run into Shaq in the post season...because then we will find out the hard way that Malone's reputation for toughness and physicality is a myth...

If he's so hard how come he got his ass bounced by the Mavs and Kings?

He basically made a living playing with one of the greatest PG's in history and whupping up on less talented teams.

How come Shawn Bradly laid him the fuck out in the 01 playoffs? And Malone wanted no part of Bradley after that happened.

That he shut Duncan down on his own last season, is also a myth. Duncan was dropping 30 PPG on Malone until they started doubling Kobe on to him and having Shaq help.

Malone seldom picks on anyone his own size unless he knows they are a nice guy and he can get away with it(Like Duncan and Drob). Most of his thuggery has been aimed at guards...he won't be tough with Shaq at all IMO.

[usckk]

Do you ever sleep, whottt?

[xcoriate]

Only to dream articulate arguments and thoughts based on the spurs

[whottt]

Do you ever sleep, whottt?

LOL, here and there...I am on call 24 hours a day 7 days a week. I don't necessarily have to do something every day, but I always have to be ready to do something, so I really don't have a routine. I try and sleep and if the phone rings I don't and if it doesn't I do...regardless of time of day.

I do have a vacation coming up in March finally! I haven't had a day off or a vacation in 2 freaking years.

I consider this a good omen...the last time I had a vacation(during the legendary 9-1 road trip) the Spurs won the NBA title!

Whottt getting a vacation = championships.

[usckk]

That sucks.

[whottt]

Pretty much. But it's got certain perks, it's real close to being self employed and working almost totally from home, and 90% of the time I don't have to deal with a boss breathing down my neck. I love that part of it.

[BronxCowboy]

Well, Timvp, as much as I love Duncan's game, I think it would be homerly to argue that he has ever been much of a leader. That aside, Pop is still his boss, and he's the one who is really behind this whole deal. Not to mention that players such as Wilks, Sato, Marks, and LJIII knew they were hanging on be a thread when they signed the contract. The Spurs have never had a problem cutting people loose.

[travis2]

Serious questions, Princess. That would be like you going out on dates with other guys and being like, "well if it doesn't work out I'll be back later."








:flipoff :)

Hmmmm...

I foresee TimVP cooking dinner. And washing dishes.

A lot.

:lol

[Dex]

"no-brainer"

I'm sorry, but at this point, I trust the Spurs organization to decide what product they want to put on the floor. After all, they're the ones getting paid millions a year to figure these things out, they're the ones that have helped produce 2 championship rings, and they are largely due credit for our success this season.

That being said, if a current player decides to get his feelings hurt because the Spurs are pursuing a "no-brainer" free-agent like Karl Malone, then TFB. Same goes for fans too, at this point. This is basketball; not high school.

[Gummi]

The NBA is a business. If a coach would get to choose between a 80% Karl Malone or a Mike Wilks, I'm fairly sure that 100% of them would take Karl Malone. It's not about Duncan courting Malone, but the team trying to get better.

If I was the 12th man off the bench for a NBA team and that team was trying to get a player like Malone and that team would cut me, I wouldn't be unhappy. Sure the player that will be cut will be sad to leave, but if a team can get Malone, there's no question. Sign Malone, cut a bench warmer.

[MosesGuthrie]

no.

[Taco]

:flipoff


:lmao did you Flip off Kori?!?!?!?

No Soup for You!!!! :lol

[Useruser666]

Timvp, aren't you kind of backstabbing Kori by asking the forum for advice? After all she has the knowledge. Why not ask her and be happy with that answer? Don't you trust her? :lol

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

With the Spurs boasting the best record in the league, Tim Duncan was out schmoozing with a free agent. While that seems harmless on the surface, you have to wonder what his teammates think. If Tim Duncan's schmooze is successful, one of the players on the team is out of a job (Linton Johnson III, Romain Sato, Mike Wilks?). Rasho Nesterovic, Robert Horry, Malik Rose, Tony Massenburg and Sean Marks will get their minutes cut ... if they remain on the team. That's over half the team directly effected by Duncan's date with Karl Malone.

Don't you think if you are a player on the team and Duncan is out there courting other players, that it would be a slap in the face? What kind of statement is it that the franchise player has such little faith in the team that he is out there trying to get an old man on one leg to come and play major minutes.

And what if Malone decides to hang it up for good? Is all forgotten or does Duncan lose some respect in the lockerroom?




I'm just axin'.

:smokin

You just don't want to give up your tickets TIMVP. See topic MALONE to S.A.
post 178.Duncan a traitor come on, if has lunch or dinner with Antonio Danielis that a slap in the face to his teammates,I belive he is a FA at the in of the season.What SPURS players can not eat with other NBA players or is it personal because it is MALONE and you do not want to give up your tickets. :smokin :elephant :lol

[Sec24Row7]

Rasho comes back, Sean Marks goes on the IL.

Malone comes in.

Sato gets waved and Mike Wilks goes on the IL.

That's more likely what is going to happen.

[Solid D]

Is Tim Duncan a Traitor

No.

[BigVee]

Duncan is the franchise and he currently has no protection out there. He goes down all this talk is academic. If he feels he needs a stronger presence in the middle with him and Malone wants to play, is he being a traitor by talking to the guy about playing in SA? Don't be absurd. Mass is old, Horry plays a different style, Rose is inconsistent, Rasho is Rasho, and Marks often looks like a chicken with his head cut-off. Who could blame TD for exploring the Malone option?

[Sec24Row7]

The better question is, is TiMVP a traitor?

Your organization does one thing you don't like and you turn your back on it and question all the hard work that they did in the past for one decision.

Karl Malone isn't Hitler. (Maybe Mussolini) Short of him being that I really don't think it's excusable to threaten to give your tickets away (though if you are, I wouldn't mind a few extra).

That's just a post in the same light as yours.

Not serious, but just as valid.

[Jimcs50]

I think TD owes it to his teammates to try to give his team the best possible chance to win the championship. If that means having a HOFer to back him up, then that is ok with me. I think TD knows more about what his team needs or does not need than you and I do, so let's just give him the benefit of doubt here, and wait and see what happens, shall we?

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

I think TD owes it to his teammates to try to give his team the best possible chance to win the championship. If that means having a HOFer to back him up, then that is ok with me. I think TD knows more about what his team needs or does not need than you and I do, so let's just give him the benefit of doubt here, and wait and see what happens, shall we?

Right on the money,oh know I can not belive a agree with you on this one. :smokin :elephant

[spurster]

The Spurs could waive LJ III and still keep up his rehabbing. Thus, no one get backstabbed except for the stabbing pains in the heads of the fans when the media turns it into the Malone show.

[Useruser666]

KE > Timvp

[SPARKY]

I will say that it being February 7th and Malone having yet to reach a decision is somewhat annoying.

This team as it stands has the best record in the NBA and frankly I don't seem them losing in a 7 game series against anyone else in the league.

Should Malone join the Spurs then I doubt he would be a lockerroom distraction. But he's a distraction right now. Pop and RC need to stop kissing his ass and set a firm deadline. Pop's already alluded to it being time for a decision from Malone, judging by a quote of his in a recent article.

[sa_butta]

I dont think he is I beleive that Pop and Duncan are doing
what they think is best for the team. And what will give us
the best chance to win a Championship (depth). I admit I too
dislike Malone. But as with Horry I think I could come around if
he actually played his ass off. Besides who could be more hungry
for a Championship then a guy who has been in the league for 100
years and hasnt won one.

[boutons]

There are 34 games left. Malone won't take all of Malik's or Massenburg's time (25 MPG), so Malone plays less than 10 MPG, I bet.

34 x 10 MPG = 340 minutes = 7 games as a Spur, and more of the same limited MPG in the playoffs, and then he gets a ring as a Spur. That's what a brazen, shameless, grovelling band-wagonner looks like. Fuck him, we're 34-10 without his help, will go 66-16 without his help, and win the Title without his help. He's too late with too little, fuck him.

If Tim or Rasho goes out for the season, Karl can sign on then and get ready to work his butt off trying to make a real contribution, not a token contribution.

[wildbill2u]

To me it seems like Tim Duncan is scared to be a vocal leader, but he has no problem back stabbing half the team.

Nice.

I seem to recall that other players (DROB) have been used to woo new draftees, attract free agents, and to encourage players to remain with the Spurs (TD) when their contracts were up without being called traitors or backstabbers.

If TD thinks Malone will help more than Marks or Massenberg, its no more backstabbing than choosing a better player for your pickup team than your best friend.

In fact, that's worse because it's only a pickup game, but in the NBA, you're playing for real marbles.

If TD was selling Shaq or Jason Kidd on coming to the Spurs last year, you wouldn't have made the same argument that he was a traitor. You've let your hatred for Malone carry you over the line on this one. :pctoss

[SPARKY]

There are 34 games left. Malone won't take all of Malik's or Massenburg's time (25 MPG), so Malone plays less than 10 MPG, I bet.

34 x 10 MPG = 340 minutes = 7 games as a Spur, and more of the same limited MPG in the playoffs, and then he gets a ring as a Spur. That's what a brazen, shameless, grovelling band-wagonner looks like. Fuck him, we're 34-10 without his help, will go 66-16 without his help, and win the Title without his help. He's too late with too little, fuck him.

If Tim or Rasho goes out for the season, Karl can sign on then and get ready to work his butt off trying to make a real contribution, not a token contribution.


Uh if Malone comes to SA he plays at least 30 minutes a night, if not more.

[airjer15]

I have been coming to this forum for a while, and for the most part I've kept pretty behaved, but come on you pompus ass bitches(if the shoe fits) this is Karl Malone we are talking about, even if he plays half as good as he has previously, you would still get 10 pts and 5 rebounds, besides Tim, that is the most your getting from anyone in the front court. Quit watcing your soaps and come to reality. San Antonio is a better team with Malone.
Pop know that Tim knows that, hell even David R knows that, and believe me they know more than you.

[boutons]

Robert, TMass, Malik avg 42 MPG combined, and Mal One walks in an immediately averages 30 MPG? GMAFB

Our bigs aren't that bad, and Mal One, not familiar with the Spurs system, isn't that good anymore.

[timvp]

I seem to recall that other players (DROB) have been used to woo new draftees, attract free agents, and to encourage players to remain with the Spurs (TD) when their contracts were up without being called traitors or backstabbers.

If TD thinks Malone will help more than Marks or Massenberg, its no more backstabbing than choosing a better player for your pickup team than your best friend.

In fact, that's worse because it's only a pickup game, but in the NBA, you're playing for real marbles.

If TD was selling Shaq or Jason Kidd on coming to the Spurs last year, you wouldn't have made the same argument that he was a traitor. You've let your hatred for Malone carry you over the line on this one. :pctoss

This is the middle of the season. The Spurs have best record in the league. It's a huge difference.

[timvp]

Robert, TMass, Malik avg 42 MPG combined, and Mal One walks in an immediately averages 30 MPG? GMAFB

Our bigs aren't that bad, and Mal One, not familiar with the Spurs system, isn't that good anymore.

Malone will probably start within a couple weeks and will average at least 30 minutes in the last month of the season and into the playoffs.

[timvp]

The better question is, is TiMVP a traitor?

Your organization does one thing you don't like and you turn your back on it and question all the hard work that they did in the past for one decision.

Karl Malone isn't Hitler. (Maybe Mussolini) Short of him being that I really don't think it's excusable to threaten to give your tickets away (though if you are, I wouldn't mind a few extra).

That's just a post in the same light as yours.

Not serious, but just as valid.

How is it my organization? I enjoy watching the local basketball team. If I no longer enjoy it, I won't watch it.

It's not a big blow to me and they'll win or lose the games in the future with or without me.

[timvp]

You just don't want to give up your tickets TIMVP. See topic MALONE to S.A.
post 178.Duncan a traitor come on, if has lunch or dinner with Antonio Danielis that a slap in the face to his teammates,I belive he is a FA at the in of the season.What SPURS players can not eat with other NBA players or is it personal because it is MALONE and you do not want to give up your tickets. :smokin :elephant :lol

Get off my ntus and tpye slower.

[SPARKY]

Robert, TMass, Malik avg 42 MPG combined, and Mal One walks in an immediately averages 30 MPG? GMAFB

Our bigs aren't that bad, and Mal One, not familiar with the Spurs system, isn't that good anymore.

Why would the Spurs add him if they did not eye him as a replacement for some of the current players in the rotation? He averaged something like 35 minutes a night in the regular season last year and then 40+ in the postseason. If he's brought in then no doubt physically he will be capable of playing those heavy minutes again.

Also, why would Malone join the Spurs if he didn't get a significant role?

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Tim isn't going to catch hell for this in the locker room. The four guys who stand to lose minutes that are on the roster right now are guys with enough experience to know that the NBA is a business above all else. Hell, Tony Parker was how old when the Spurs were wining and dining Jason Kidd and he managed to get over pretty quickly.

With that said, I will take this opportunity again to say that signing Malone is a bad idea.

[GoSpurs21]

Malone is done. He will never play another NBA game. He just likes being a media whore.

[Useruser666]

Timvp, when Malone comes to the Spurs what will you be doing at the GTG's? :lol

[spurster]

Timvp, when Malone comes to the Spurs what will you be doing at the GTG's? :lol
Maybe he'll bring his Malone voodoo doll.

http://modernrock.com/uploads/omen63/voodoo_doll.jpg

[timvp]

Timvp, when Malone comes to the Spurs what will you be doing at the GTG's? :lol


Baseball is around the corner.

:drunk

[Jimcs50]

Also, why would Malone join the Spurs if he didn't get a significant role?

Here is a hint.

It had diamonds in it and you wear it on your finger.

[Useruser666]

Here is a hint.

It had diamonds in it and you wear it on your finger.

He's got Vanessa Bryant's ring?

[Solid D]

Dude drives 500+ miles out of the way...in a Black and Silver (chrome) Pickup Truck to have dinner?

As difficult as it is for athletes to give it up...he's comin' :smokin.

[Shelly]

For Timvp....

http://www.pinstruck.com/

[PM5K]

KE > Timvp

TRUTH

[timvp]

^^^

Yep.

[Kori Ellis]

:lol

timvp knows more about Spurs basketball than anyone I know.

He's said all along that Malone was coming (though he hated it). And I have said (and still do) that Malone is retiring.

Go figure.

[PM5K]

:lol

timvp knows more about Spurs basketball than anyone I know.

He's said all along that Malone was coming (though he hated it). And I have said (and still do) that Malone is retiring.

Go figure.

Yeah but you'd never make a post like this so: KE > timvp

[timvp]

I'm just asking the questions. Seems as if your conscious is making you feel guilty.

Telling.

[waly.mg]

If a Player were a traitor to look for to reinforce his equipment, then every year between seasons, They would be betraying to those who already are in the Team

If in The Off season, he want a PG, Tim is betraying to Tony, if he Want a SG, he in betraying to Manu, if he look for a Center, he´s betraying Rasho

A Franchise Palyer is like a GM, he must Lokk for New Players every day, because it´s HIS TEAM
The same malik said that it would like that Karl comes to the Team

[SpursWoman]

For Timvp....

http://www.pinstruck.com/



Holy cow! I've been looking for that link forever!!! Thanks! :makeout :lol

[Useruser666]

I can see LJ now, sitting upstairs growling and grumbling while he listens to everyone cheer Malone on as he scores the winning basket in playoff game 6 @ Miami over Shaq. :lol

[Shelly]

Holy cow! I've been looking for that link forever!!! Thanks! :makeout :lol

It was gone for a while, but they brought it back! Woo!

[T Park]

game 6 @ Miam

VS Miami IN SA thank you very much :smokin


Tim Duncan is not a traitor.

If Marks or Massenburg have a problem with picking up Karl Malone theyll have to get the fuck over it.


Cut Marks, put Massenburg on IR, Malone Horry in the game at the same time, is one damn scary lineup.


Look at this at the end of games.


Duncan
Malone
Barry
Ginobili
Parker


Now you talk about freakin offense.

[SPARKY]

Defense wins championships though.

[Nikos]

Offense and Defense win championships.

[SPARKY]

Defense before Offense Nikos.

[Jimcs50]

Defense before Offense Nikos.

Not choking wins championships...that has been SA's problem when they have been ousted. Their defense was still good, but they could not score off a jumper to save their lives.

Who can hit the shots better at crunchtime, Malone or Rasho? Malone or Rose?, Malone or Mass?

Answer that for me.

[T Park]

I agree 100% Marcus dont get me wrong.

The defense first philosophy is what brought two rings here and will bring a third god willing this year.

Malone no question brings it on the defensive end, just watch his play last year in the playoffs.


Offensively though, this team will take a huge jump, with him in the lineup.


Im honestly stoked to see how he'll do.

I think hell come in hungry as fuck, bust his ass, play tough hard nosed Karl Malone basketball, and the Spurs will be damn near impossible to beat.

[Nikos]

Defense before Offense Nikos.

For this team sure.

But not all championship teams were better on defense than offense. I just don't agree with the blanket statement.

But for the Spurs purposes, they do need both, and are obviously needing to be better on defense than offense to suceed. Both need to be rock solid though.

[T Park]

But not all champonship teams were better on defense than offense.

99 and 03 Spurs teams were.

99 team the Spurs were pretty piss poor on O, but there D won them games.

[Nikos]

I agree the Spurs won more so because of their defense.

All I am saying is I do not agree with the general blanket statement, "Defensive wins titles". The Spurs preach it and are the best at it, but it does not apply to all championship teams.

[wildbill2u]

This is the middle of the season. The Spurs have best record in the league. It's a huge difference.

If it's a big difference, then why do teams adjust to new players after the mid year trading deadline? Your argument is weak, trying to hide your dislike for Malone behind 'what the guys in the locker room will think about TD backstabbing Marks and Massenberg.'

The PROFESSIONALS will understand.

[Useruser666]

I call dibs on Timvp's seat for all games that Karl Malone will play as a Spur! :lol

[SpursWoman]

'what the guys in the locker room will think about TD backstabbing Marks and Massenberg.'

My opinion: They all want the best possible chance to win a championship (and the extra $$ ain't bad, either ;) ). If they all believe that Malone will seriously help accomplish this feat, I don't think there'd be a problem at all. They all seem pretty selfless and oriented to the common goal to me....

[TPCris09]

How can we consider Tim a backstabber, when he's out there trying to bring in the best to play for our city? He's only trying to take San Antonio to the top.

[2centsworth]

Tim would be a triator if he didn't try to recruit the best players. What's wrong with Linton going to the NBDL like Devin? The rest of the players want a championship just like Tim, and if Karl helps make that come true, then how can you question TD's commitment. Actually, if TD wanted to get rid of the entire team then I will go for the ride too.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Yeah lets not forge that if someone gets cut, its not the end of their career as a basketabll player.

[GrandeDavid]

I think that the schedules just worked out in favor of Tim participating in the meeting. Or maybe not. Either way, I don't think its a big deal. After all, the Spurs have evidently had interested in Karl Malone dating back at least a season and a half. Linton, Sean Marks, or whoever else will be packing a duffel bag pretty soon.

[SequSpur]

Timvp is a hater.

[Jimcs50]

Timvp is a hater.



Sequ= Mr Kettle

[TDMVPDPOY]

timvp looks like a shit stiror, sumone should beat the shit out of him

[violentkitten]

timvp looks like a shit stiror, sumone should beat the shit out of him


bitch please

http://www.rachaelhale.com/gallery/cats/guiness_580_2.jpg

[RobinsontoDuncan]

God were not about to start that again.....

[timvp]

:lol

This guy is from Australia. He's legit.

:smokin

[ducks]

pretty soon duncan will want to play for the jazz to....

[RobinsontoDuncan]

alright Timvp, what does my IP address say?

[RobinsontoDuncan]

And Ducks for christ's sake it TOO.!!!!!!!!

[timvp]

alright Timvp, what does my IP address say?

Looks like Chesapeake, Virginia on a Cox Communications line.

:smokin

[timvp]

Was I right?

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Yeah, that's uncanny

God if you could do it that easily, just think of how little it takes the government to do to find out everything i do online....and im a hardline liberal....i think my days are numbered.

[ShoogarBear]

This is a little bit different from the blatant backstabbing that was done to Tony Parker.

Must be Be Nice to whottt Week, since nobody called you on this.

How was anything that happened with JKidd "blatant backstabbing" to TP?