Its On - USA v Argentina - AKA Whottttttttttt does Argentina

[angel_luv]

Maybe.

:)

Your good people angel, and from what little I talked to Bo in May :lol, he is too. Good luck :)

Thank you. :)

[Jobbs]

77-68 Argentina

[polandprzem]

How sweet


:rolleyes

[Martin R]

There's NO WAY we can beat this US team. Not only because of the names but also because of the way they are playing.

This is not the old "we can beat all teams without scouting" US team. They understood they needed to spend some resources on studying FIBA rules, officiating and opponents strategy.

Argentina is not winning this game unless a catastrophe occurs.
US team is just TOO good. It's sort of Michael Phelpy or Usain Bolty. Just too good.

M

[Martin R]

My forecast :

US : 91
AR : 80

[Martin R]

WTF are you talking about? This has nothing to do with hating Manu or Argentina, this is a no brainer. Argentina has five or six top talented guys, and a couple of them (Delfino and Prigioni) are very inconsistent. USA has all world players at every position at every depth. They play like team, very unselfish. Nobody, not even world champion Spain, has stayed close to them in the 2nd half. Nobody needs to cheer up Argentina, they are the defending Olympic champions, but nobody has the depth necessary to go 40 minutes with the US team. It's an easy call.


ditto

[timvp]

As the game gets closer, I just don't know how I'm supposed to root for Kobe over Ginobili. I can't stand Kobe and he's not even a product of American basketball. He should be playing for the Italian national team.

Maybe if Kobe gets arrested or something and misses the game, then it'll be possible for me to root for the US. Otherwise, I'll have to be a neutral observer.

[whottt]

Okay

All in all americans will be well motivated to crush Argies, and in this turnament I think it is the last chance to beat this USA squad.

In 2000 There were some problems with motivation. Americans were going to nightclubs and staying late having party.
Now it seems like they want to prove they are the best with no contest.

I just wonder for how long they will be willing to stay in that scheudle (NBA + FIBA)


NBA fans pretty much don't even want the NBA players playing in the Olympics...and after the players win gold they will likely lose the desire to keep playing basketball year round.


You see, in my country, playing in the Olympics for basketball players isn't a doorway to being declared a National Hero and becoming wealthy from endorsements...in my country, playing on the Olympic basketball team is a thankless job, that pays no money, garners no respect, no additional fame, and doesn't accomplish anything other than putting a gold medal on your chest.

In my country, playing for the National Basketball team doesn't even get many Americans to root for you...proof in this thread.


Now can you honestly tell me the same is true for Manu and the guys on Team Argentina? Of if they were Poland?

No prestige, no respect, and damn sure no money...is that the way it works in Poland and Argentina with their Olympic Basketball players?


Tell me again who is doing this more for material(and otherwise) gain? Truely, all the NBA players are getting out of this is a gold medal...and literally nothing else. Not even good will from their countrymen...

[angel_luv]

:lol @L.J.

[timvp]

NBA fans pretty much don't even want the NBA players playing in the Olympics...and after the players win gold they will likely lose the desire to keep playing basketball year round.


You see, in my country, playing in the Olympics for basketball players isn't a doorway to being declared a National Hero and becoming wealthy from endorsements...in my country, playing on the Olympic basketball team is a thankless job, that pays no money, garners no respect, no additional fame, and doesn't accomplish anything other than putting a gold medal on your chest.

In my country, playing for the National Basketball team doesn't even get many Americans to root for you...proof in this thread.


Now can you honestly tell me the same is true for Manu and the guys on Team Argentina? Of if they were Poland?

No prestige, no respect, and damn sure no money...is that the way it works in Poland and Argentina with their Olympic Basketball players?


Tell me again who is doing this more for material(and otherwise) gain? Truely, all the NBA players are getting out of this is a gold medal...and literally nothing else. Not even good will from their countrymen...
This is pretty damn true. The US players don't really get anything out of playing in the Olympics. The US media not-so-secretly hopes they lose so that everyone can talk about the failure for a couple weeks non-stop. Basically, the US players are in a lose lose situation. If they win, they were supposed to win. If they lose, they are a group of conceited ballas who disgraced Americans because they didn't have any heart.

A team like Argentina might not specifically be playing for money but that is the end result. If Argentina never busted onto the international scene, players like Nocioni, Herrmann and even Oberto would never have made it to the NBA and wouldn't be making the millions they are making. Argentina winning gold in 2004 probably earned the players in excess of $100 million.

[ChumpDumper]

But they could make more in Europe!

[MannyIsGod]

I voted for Bush in 2004, but I guess that only made up for my rooting for Argentina then, eh?:)

Sounds like you make the wrong choice every time.

[angel_luv]

Sounds like you make the wrong choice every time.

I won't vote for George Bush again. :)

[MannyIsGod]

As the game gets closer, I just don't know how I'm supposed to root for Kobe over Ginobili. I can't stand Kobe and he's not even a product of American basketball. He should be playing for the Italian national team.

Maybe if Kobe gets arrested or something and misses the game, then it'll be possible for me to root for the US. Otherwise, I'll have to be a neutral observer.

And don't you ever step foot in a WalMart again. You do realize that Kobe/Boozer/Jkidd are just the handicap, right? Can you imagine if those 3 weren't on the team. They'd be winning games by 50 and I'm not even kidding.

The fact that they are dominating with that chucker tossing up stupid 3 after stupid 3 and getting his overrated defense lit up shows you just how special the players on this team are.

Neutral my ass!

[samikeyp]

This is pretty damn true. The US players don't really get anything out of playing in the Olympics. The US media not-so-secretly hopes they lose so that everyone can talk about the failure for a couple weeks non-stop. Basically, the US players are in a lose lose situation. If they win, they were supposed to win. If they lose, they are a group of conceited ballas who disgraced Americans because they didn't have any heart.

QFT

[whottt]

It's the name on the back of the jersey that's important, not the front. Go tIaem go!

[AnotherArgie]

Tell me again who is doing this more for material(and otherwise) gain? Truely, all the NBA players are getting out of this is a gold medal...and literally nothing else. Not even good will from their countrymen...

Kind of fail. China is one of the biggest markets for the NBA (if not the biggest). I'm sure Stern really wanted a Team USA like this one playing in Beijing, and Team USA players would love to see their popularity skyrocket in that country.

Of course, the same can be said about the members of Team Argentina. The point is: if you want to be tendencious and suspicious, you'll surely find a way to.

[whottt]

Dammit! Timvp said something nice while I was typing up a shittalking post. I hate it when that happens.

For the record timvp, my misquote post was in response to your stance that you don't know who to root for.

[MannyIsGod]

Also LJ, do you really want the Manu lovers having more ammunition against Tony Parker? Can you fucking see it now? "Manu led the NT to an upset over the Redeem team - I would drink his piss anyday!".

The Argies need an ego check in the worst way. The World is counting on it.

http://www.celluloid-dreams.de/content/images/kritiken-filmbilder/team-america-world-police/team-america-world-police-1.jpg

[xtremesteven33]

i wanna see Bryant and Manu have a Dominique/Bird moment.

thats all i want.

an argentinian win would be heart stopping.

[whottt]

Kind of fail. China is one of the biggest markets for the NBA (if not the biggest). I'm sure Stern really wanted a Team USA like this one playing in Beijing,

That doesn't mean the players want to do it.





and Team USA players would love to see their popularity skyrocket in that country.

They truly don't give a shit about that...they already get paid and are famous.


It is definitely charity for them to do it...which is why so many of the best players decline the chance...like they did in 04.





Of course, the same can be said about the members of Team Argentina. The point is: if you want to be tendencious and suspicious, you'll surely find a way to.


I assure you, if you think the Americans get as much benfit from doing this as the Argies do, you are entirely wrong.

The primary reason for doing this is National Prestige within ones own country.


Why don't you conduct a poll and see how many Argies are rooting for Team USA VS how many Americans are rooting for Team Argentina...

Then tell me the benefit is the same.


If you get one Argie rooting for Team USA I will be in shock..


This is why I personally get irate over international posters generalizing my country....we Americans definitely aren't all the same...I remain unconvinced that is true of other posters...except for maybe the French.

[ChumpDumper]

Kind of fail. China is one of the biggest markets for the NBA (if not the biggest). I'm sure Stern really wanted a Team USA like this one playing in Beijing, and Team USA players would love to see their popularity skyrocket in that country.Why? What does that actually mean to the players?

[timvp]

And don't you ever step foot in a WalMart again. You do realize that Kobe/Boozer/Jkidd are just the handicap, right? Can you imagine if those 3 weren't on the team. They'd be winning games by 50 and I'm not even kidding.

The fact that they are dominating with that chucker tossing up stupid 3 after stupid 3 and getting his overrated defense lit up shows you just how special the players on this team are.

Neutral my ass!

Are you telling me when you see Manu take Kobe off the dribble and dunk it on his azz, you are going to be saying "Dammit Kobe, you should have blocked that!"

I know I'll be celebrating each time Manu owns Kobe. I can't lie and say I have the ability to suddenly root for Kobe and against Manu.


Also LJ, do you really want the Manu lovers having more ammunition against Tony Parker? Can you fucking see it now? "Manu led the NT to an upset over the Redeem team - I would drink his piss anyday!".

The Argies need an ego check in the worst way. The World is counting on it.

Eh, hardcore Manu Fan is delusional anyways. An embarrassment or a gold medal won't change that :lol

[BUMP]

Why? What does that actually mean to the players?

basically when it comes to voting for the all star selections. these players will get the "Yao Ming" treatment from China.

a small dividend

[xtremesteven33]

If you get one Argie rooting for Team USA I will be in shock..


me too. i honestly believe this means a whole lot more to Argentina fans than US fans. US fans have the NFL,MLB,NHl,NBA,MMA all these variety of sports to follow and athletes to root for that the basketball olympics means very little to the normal US citizen.

u never see a riot break out on behalf of US fans when we lose. but yet it happens almost reguarly in other countries because thats what they live to see and love. years of dedication for this one moment for many international athletes. US athletes have other endeavors that they live for. an olympic gold medal is just another accomplishment. for the argentinians, thats all there is.

[ThunderStix®]

I really could care less what the players are like, I just want the USA to be number one. :D

They're all good people once they put on that USA jersey.

[AnotherArgie]

They truly don't give a shit about that...they already get paid and are famous.

I didn't know all the Team USA members post under the name of whottt. Now I know why you have so many posts.

By the way, is that player who wants to become the first billonaire athlete also saying he doesn't give a shit, because he is already rich and famous?


If you get one Argie rooting for Team USA I will be in shock...

Then I'll root for Team USA, just to get you in shock!! :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Are you telling me when you see Manu take Kobe off the dribble and dunk it on his azz, you are going to be saying "Dammit Kobe, you should have blocked that!"

I know I'll be celebrating each time Manu owns Kobe. I can't lie and say I have the ability to suddenly root for Kobe and against Manu.



Eh, hardcore Manu Fan is delusional anyways. An embarrassment or a gold medal won't change that :lol


You know no matter what I'll be rooting for Manu. Except seeing the US dominate him would me kinda happy but sad at the same time. It is true that I love Manu and how he plays and there is no way I could personally root for Kobe over Manu.

But this isn't a one on one game. And if Kobe has to go off for 80 for the US to beat the living hell out of Argentina then I'll be happy all day and all night.

However, you can bet your ass I'm not rooting for Oberto. I have he gets posterized left and right and I hope those stupid short nasty jumpers of him clang so much they have to replace the rim at halftime. I hope he gets dunked on and has American nuts hanging in his face so much that he knows what soap Dwight Howard uses.

I WANT BLOOD.

[sabar]

A gold medal isn't worth anything to me as a Spurs fan, but Kobe crying would be.

[Cherry]

As the game gets closer, I just don't know how I'm supposed to root for Kobe over Ginobili. I can't stand Kobe and he's not even a product of American basketball. He should be playing for the Italian national team.

Maybe if Kobe gets arrested or something and misses the game, then it'll be possible for me to root for the US. Otherwise, I'll have to be a neutral observer.

:rollin

[Cherry]

The Argies need an ego check in the worst way. The World is counting on it.


ego?

Spain need an ego check. They need it :devil

[ArgSpursFan.]

A team like Argentina might not specifically be playing for money but that is the end result. If Argentina never busted onto the international scene, players like Nocioni, Herrmann and even Oberto would never have made it to the NBA and wouldn't be making the millions they are making. Argentina winning gold in 2004 probably earned the players in excess of $100 million.

are you fucking kiddin dude? guys like Herrman,Scola Nocioni, Delfino, and even Fricking Manu Ginobilli were already rich before 2004,most of the guys on that team were already playing in Europe for a long long time.
And BTW,If they wanted more money,they would've stayed in Europe and make more tham what they're making right now in the NBA.
Look at Delfino's contract,he makes more money tham Manu in Russia,and Scola was making more money in Spain tham in Houston.
So,STFU.

They play for the Argie NT not for the money or fame,but for Glory.
the Baby blue and White jersey, as simple as that.

[GEICO Caveman]

Kobe's going to destroy Manu.

[timvp]

are you fucking kiddin dude? guys like Herrman,Scola Nocioni, Delfino, and even Fricking Manu Ginobilli were already rich before 2004,most of the guys on that team were already playing in Europe for a long long time.
And BTW,If they wanted more money,they would've stayed in Europe and make more tham what they're making right now in the NBA.
Look at Delfino's contract,he makes more money tham Manu in Russia,and Scola was making more money in Spain tham in Houston.
So,STFU.

They play for the Argie NT not for the money or fame,but for Glory.
Baby blue and White,that´s what make this guys play like that.Nocioni and Oberto would be making more money in Europe? No.

If Argentina does get embarrassed and the game is over by halftime, ArgSpursFan getting owned will be a good consolation prize.

[T Park]

ego?

Spain need an ego check. They need it :devil

They already got their bitch slapping courtesy of the Americans.

[T Park]

are you fucking kiddin dude? guys like Herrman,Scola Nocioni, Delfino, and even Fricking Manu Ginobilli were already rich before 2004,most of the guys on that team were already playing in Europe for a long long time.
And BTW,If they wanted more money,they would've stayed in Europe and make more tham what they're making right now in the NBA.
Look at Delfino's contract,he makes more money tham Manu in Russia,and Scola was making more money in Spain tham in Houston.
So,STFU.

They play for the Argie NT not for the money or fame,but for Glory.
the Baby blue and White jersey, as simple as that.


Ginobili has the NBA to thank for his now World Wide NBA promoted fame. Before he was known in Argentina and Italy.

Now hes known world wide.

[ArgSpursFan.]

Nocioni and Oberto would be making more money in Europe? No.

If Argentina does get embarrassed and the game is over by halftime, ArgSpursFan getting owned will be a good consolation prize.

US 2.5 M p/yr is about 1m Euros/yr,and they pay less taxes in Europe tham in the US,plus most players get a house for free for the time they spend on the town they´re playing for, so yes they could be making more money in Europe.Believe that.

[ArgSpursFan.]

Ginobili has the NBA to thank for his now World Wide NBA promoted fame. Before he was known in Argentina and Italy.

Now hes known world wide.

maybe so,but TIMVP was talking about money.
And this guys were already making money,and on most cases, more money in Europe.
They just want to play in the NBA to prove themself they belong to the world BB elyte,that´s all.

[BlackSwordsMan]

when is this game?

[ducks]

when is this game?

will not be much of a game
it is like middle school kids against varisty in highschool

[BlackSwordsMan]

will not be much of a game
it is like middle school kids against varisty in highschool
Everyone still wants to see a fight at school. What time?

[Deimosfobos]

This is pretty damn true. The US players don't really get anything out of playing in the Olympics. The US media not-so-secretly hopes they lose so that everyone can talk about the failure for a couple weeks non-stop. Basically, the US players are in a lose lose situation. If they win, they were supposed to win. If they lose, they are a group of conceited ballas who disgraced Americans because they didn't have any heart.

A team like Argentina might not specifically be playing for money but that is the end result. If Argentina never busted onto the international scene, players like Nocioni, Herrmann and even Oberto would never have made it to the NBA and wouldn't be making the millions they are making. Argentina winning gold in 2004 probably earned the players in excess of $100 million.

Worst players than Manu and Noc, just to name our best players... are making twice what they are in Europe. Remenber Euro>>>>>Dolar.

Playing in the NBA was never about the money for most international players, it's about playing on the best league in the world.


Ginobili has the NBA to thank for his now World Wide NBA promoted fame. Before he was known in Argentina and Italy.

Now hes known world wide.

Thats another story... and to be fair, the NBA owe players like Manu, Yao, Dirk, Parker, Kirilenko,etc, a lot more than they owe the NBA.
International players of that caliber are amazing publicity for the league, wich the league takes advantage to the fullest.

Is a win-win situation, you make the league better, and more popular than ever world-wide.

[urunobili]

just in case y'all missed it.. i didn't see any reply from y'all


to whottt, Manny is shit and all fuckers disrespecting probably one of the best teams to ever play basketball together... FUCK YOU

timvp lame comments saying that team USA players have millions to lose without having in consideration they all have insurance where nor the player neither the franchise would lose a penny if a player goes down, shows a sense of desperation.

As for the other suck ups thinking that D-Wade, Le Bron, Kobe and Tayshaun Prince could stop Manu...

MORE THAN ONE TIME any of those 4 got FUCKED by Manu either on the regular season, playoffs and/or the Finals and on their own fucking Gym...

in addition International Manu > NBA Manu

even more funny... this thread has similar predictions to the bump of the 2004 one...

check my IP i am in Chicago and with my Argentine Scola Jersey on... Argentina may go down yes... but not without making you suffer first...

[ChumpDumper]

You aren't allowed to say y'all.

[MannyIsGod]

I saw it - and I saw you quote it twice as though it was something huge that we all had to respond to. I don't see whats so special about your post that you have to keep quoting it.

How many medals does Uruguay have anyway? :stirpot:

EDIT - In fact this thread is about the USA vs Argentina. No one ever mentioned Uruguay, Paraguay or any other guay. Go play with Poland in another sandbox.

[urunobili]

I saw it - and I saw you quote it twice as though it was something huge that we all had to respond to. I don't see whats so special about your post that you have to keep quoting it.

How many medals does Uruguay have anyway? :stirpot:

EDIT - In fact this thread is about the USA vs Argentina. No one ever mentioned Uruguay, Paraguay or any other guay. Go play with Poland in another sandbox.

LOL.... where someone lives or comes from is not there same of where someone BELONGS...

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

No one ever mentioned Uruguay, Paraguay or any other guay.

:lol

[samikeyp]

LOL.... where someone lives or comes from is not there same of where someone BELONGS...

Argie envy? :lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Argie envy? :lol


you BELONG in the other sports forum

:lol

[urunobili]

I'm sure the majority of y'all are probably an embarrassment for America... lame... i am probably more American than the majority of y'all haters

[BUMP]

I'm sure the majority of y'all are probably an embarrassment for America... lame... i am probably more American than the majority of y'all haters

pick a side then Wilson

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I'm sure the majority of y'all are probably an embarrassment for America... lame... i am probably more American than the majority of y'all haters

:lol Was that all you can come up with?

[MannyIsGod]

I'm sure the majority of y'all are probably an embarrassment for America... lame... i am probably more American than the majority of y'all haters

LMAO

I don't have to argue about whether I'm more American than you or not because my passport says I AM American.

WTF kind of shit is that?

[diego]

This is pretty damn true. The US players don't really get anything out of playing in the Olympics. The US media not-so-secretly hopes they lose so that everyone can talk about the failure for a couple weeks non-stop. Basically, the US players are in a lose lose situation. If they win, they were supposed to win. If they lose, they are a group of conceited ballas who disgraced Americans because they didn't have any heart.


i think it used to be true. but there are several factors that have changed that-

1) if the olympics were in korea or brazil or italy, it wouldnt have the marketing benefits that it does in china, and im fairly certain that there is a lebron quote along the lines of "i knew i wanted to be in Beijing to fulfill my goal of becoming a global icon".

2) the chance to "redeem" past teams/players will bestow a lot of these guys glory and praise that players like vince carter or gary payton never got for their olympic success. furthermore, for some of these guys, this is the only tournament they have a chance at winning. Kobe bryant hasnt won jack in over 5 years, you think his marketing people are happy about that? (obviously kobe has chances to win a ship next year, but guys like bosh and howard, as young and as good as they are, may never get a chance as good as this)

so i think they are getting something out of it. obviously, they risk more than they stand to gain, but to say they get nothing is like the kid who celebrates every win, then says he wasnt trying when he lost.

as far as argentina, when these guys started playing together, winning tournaments and making the NBA was crazy talk. of course the result of their work was they got paid. but you cant say that they took up the NT for the money. quite the contrary, they probably had to pay for their own expenses as u-17 players in a country that had no bball history. now that they paved that road, the argentine basketball program is getting money and kids are thinking "hmm, those NBA contracts look a lot better than serie A or la liga." so we will see more talent, but also, more greed and less sacrifice.

the only way for an American to understand what this argie basketball team means to us, is for the US to have a soccer team beat Brazil, Italy and Germany on their way to World Cups, Olympic golds, and the core of that team featuring in dominant clubs like Milan and Barca.

and for those that might say "we would win in soccer if we tried/cared", well, i remember many concerted efforts to turn the US into a soccer power, and they've yet to produce a single first class player. (though they have had some results, i'll give you that)

--

and finally, a lot people are saying "this is all argentina has." Argentina has a lot of good sport success, from rugby to tennis to yachting to soccer to field hockey and on and on. this basketball team is just different, precisely because no one ever imagined we could be good at it.

[danyel]

Just a small correction


The Argies (5 o 6 Argie posters here) need an ego check in the worst way. The World (a big percetange of this board) is counting on it.


I bet almost everyone not in the USA still wants Argentina to win tomorrow, especially Lithuania and Spain.

Cheers

[samikeyp]

Just a small correction



I bet almost everyone not in the USA still wants Argentina to win tomorrow, especially Lithuania and Spain.

Cheers

Most of the world probably doesn't give a rat's ass about either team. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

the only way for an American to understand what this argie basketball team means to us, is for the US to have a soccer team beat Brazil, Italy and Germany on their way to World Cups, Olympic golds, and the core of that team featuring in dominant clubs like Milan and Barca.We wouldn't give a shit. Soccer sucks and is boring.

[bdictjames]

We wouldn't give a shit. Soccer sucks and is boring.
typical American arrogance

[samikeyp]

typical American arrogance

Yes because one person speaks for 300 million. :rolleyes

[MannyIsGod]

typical American arrogance

How is it arrogant to display a personal preference? In fact its fucking arrogant to suggest that we have to like what you like or its arrogant. Not only that its also fucking stupid.

If you don't understand what arrogant means then maybe you shouldn't use the word.

[diego]

We wouldn't give a shit. Soccer sucks and is boring.

which is exactly what most argies would have said about bball before this team became successful, and exactly how most non-americans feel about baseball and football. (although maybe not baseball, how long is it since the US wins something there? :lol)

[MannyIsGod]

which is exactly what most argies would have said about bball before this team became successful, and exactly how most non-americans feel about baseball and football. (although maybe not baseball, how long is it since the US wins something there? :lol)

I love it, and if we were ever to beat a Brazil or Argentina in the WC I'd be ecstatic but I doubt the rest of the country would share my sentiments. You don't understand the United States. It's just not a soccer nation. We beat Portugal in 02 and it didn't do all that much for the sport.

I understand you're proud of your team. Thats fine. But many Argentinians have grown cocky and have decided that my countries team has no heart. Well, my no heart team is going to beat the ever living crap out of Argentina tomorrow and konck you back down to your rightful place in the basketball hierarchy: Below - with everyone else - the United States.


PS - Pay attention bdictjames - THIS post is an example of American arrogance.

[diego]

it is arrogant to attribute a personal preference to an entire group of people, particularly when it is easy to show that there are americans that care about soccer (hence, the existence of US soccer with both men and womens NT, the MLS, united leagues, WC94 attendance figures, etc.)

though im pretty sure chump was just kidding.

[samikeyp]

which is exactly what most argies would have said about bball before this team became successful, and exactly how most non-americans feel about baseball and football. (although maybe not baseball, how long is it since the US wins something there? :lol)

Its ok, some Americans feel that way about baseball! :lol

Soccer is very big here on the youth level, the interest seems to die out about high school.

[samikeyp]

I love it, and if we were ever to beat a Brazil or Argentina in the WC I'd be ecstatic but I doubt the rest of the country would share my sentiments. You don't understand the United States. It's just not a soccer nation. We beat Portugal in 02 and it didn't do all that much for the sport.

I understand you're proud of your team. Thats fine. But many Argentinians have grown cocky and have decided that my countries team has no heart. Well, my no heart team is going to beat the ever living crap out of Argentina tomorrow and konck you back down to your rightful place in the basketball hierarchy: Below - with everyone else - the United States.


PS - Pay attention bdictjames - THIS post is an example of American arrogance.


I am glad anytime the US can win a World Cup game! :lol

[MannyIsGod]

it is arrogant to attribute a personal preference to an entire group of people, particularly when it is easy to show that there are americans that care about soccer (hence, the existence of US soccer with both men and womens NT, the MLS, united leagues, WC94 attendance figures, etc.)

though im pretty sure chump was just kidding.

Thats not arrogant. And please, saying "typical american arrogance" is a crock of shit to begin with. Its fucking ironic because its usually an incredibly ironic thing to say. What Chump said is correct. You guys simply don't understand how low soccer is on the professional sports totem pole here.

Please do not confuse your ignorance with our arrogance.

[diego]

beating portugal is akin to beating puerto rico in basketball. a good team, but not a power by any means. portugal has won one eurocup, and that was about 40 years ago.

i grew up in the US, and lived there off and on for 40% of my life. two of my brothers are american born. i played baseball and football and basketball and soccer in public and private schools, in central park in NYC and intramurals in california and think i have a pretty good understanding of how most americans view sports (of course, it varies a lot from state to state and class level). most americans dont care about soccer. but there are many that do, just like there are "many" argentines grown cocky with the bball team. there are also many saying we dont stand a chance. the way that you choose which group outnumbers the other tells me all i need to know- you're just looking for a fight, a chance to talk trash. that wont change the fact that history books will show, that from 2002-2006, the dominant team in basketball wasnt team USA, it was argentina. when the US does the same in a team sport that other people care about- like soccer or rugby- then i might feel bad about being "below you"

good night

[diego]

ignorance? from the guy talking up portugal???


i didnt say "typical american arrogance". i just pointed out that you yourself said that was a personal preference, but it was applied to an entire group of people, and it is arrogant, or better yet, presumptuous, to speak for others in that way. but like i said, i think chump was kidding around, not being arrogant.

how much did the LA galaxy pay for a washed up david beckham? 250M? for a sport that you have no success at and no interest in, that's a high price tag. And i'm willing to bet that a board like bigsoccer.com has just as much traffic as one like realgm. but yeah, i'm ignorant, and all the americans playing soccer in the US and abroad are really puerto rican, right?

[MannyIsGod]

beating portugal is akin to beating puerto rico in basketball. a good team, but not a power by any means. portugal has won one eurocup, and that was about 40 years ago.

i grew up in the US, and lived there off and on for 40% of my life. two of my brothers are american born. i played baseball and football and basketball and soccer in public and private schools, in central park in NYC and intramurals in california and think i have a pretty good understanding of how most americans view sports (of course, it varies a lot from state to state and class level). most americans dont care about soccer. but there are many that do, just like there are "many" argentines grown cocky with the bball team. there are also many saying we dont stand a chance. the way that you choose which group outnumbers the other tells me all i need to know- you're just looking for a fight, a chance to talk trash. that wont change the fact that history books will show, that from 2002-2006, the dominant team in basketball wasnt team USA, it was argentina. when the US does the same in a team sport that other people care about- like soccer or rugby- then i might feel bad about being "below you"

good night

LOL well no shit man! I started this thread. Look at the thread title. You gotta admit it was easy to get many Argies to oblige me. They're easy and entertaining targets. I will give you props for being smarter than the rabid pack, however.

I have no interest in taking away Argentina's past success. I'm just worried about them being denied the opportunity for more.

[samikeyp]

beating portugal is akin to beating puerto rico in basketball. a good team, but not a power by any means. portugal has won one eurocup, and that was about 40 years ago.

Yes but when you have had a little World Cup success as the US has had, beating Portugal is a big deal. They were fairly well ranked at the time, not the best but they were favored in the match.

[duncan228]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/la-spw-downey22-2008aug22,0,102553,full.story

Moment of truth for basketball's Team USA

The U.S., which faces Argentina next, is eager to redeem itself after the disappointment of the 2004 Athens Olympics. It would serve the team well to remember its comeuppance lessons.
By Mike Downey, Chicago Tribune

BEIJING -- In 1936, our basketball team kicked some serious Olympic butt.

A guy named Joe Fortenberry scored eight points in the gold-medal game. So did Canada.

Final score: USA 19, Canada 8.

After that, Canucks stuck pretty much to pucks.

We thought we were pretty hot stuff. But we got beat in 1972. (OK, so the German clock-keeper let the Russians rob us.) Then we lost again in 1988. (Danny Manning and David Robinson notwithstanding.)

So we sent for the big guns. Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley . . . we rounded up every big-time basketball player we could think of except Meadowlark Lemon.

This strategy succeeded. We beat Cuba by 79 points. I think all five Cubans smoked cigars while they played.

We also beat Angola. I bet you can still remember where you were on that 1992 day when the news came that we beat Angola in a game of basketball. I mean, be still my heart.

We got pretty cocky again.

Comeuppance came in 2004. We were floored. We got Uncle Sam's hat handed to us.

Our basketball team went to Greece and hit the skids. Our defense had more holes than the Acropolis. I took one look at our offense and did exactly what Meryl Streep did years later when she got to Greece to make a movie. I shouted out: "Mamma mia!"

Our punks stunk.

I saw them take the court and said, wow, check out these names: Allen Iverson! Stephon Marbury! LeBron James! Tim Duncan!

About a week later, the only thing I wanted to check out was out of my hotel.

Jason Kidd of our 2008 team here in Beijing remembers the feeling pretty well.

"I stopped watching after we lost to Italy," he said.

Unfortunately, the feeling is about all Kidd remembers well. We didn't play Italy that year.

We did play Puerto Rico.

I always assumed we could beat Puerto Rico in basketball with any five guys of ours in shorts. I thought a Kansas Jayhawks junior-varsity could beat those guys. I felt we could win with Wesley Snipes, Woody Harrelson and the cast of "White Men Can't Jump."

Puerto Rico pounded us.

We lost by 19. We couldn't have made a shot that day if the Puerto Rican kids had left the gym and gone for a swim.

I'll never forget Julio Toro, the coach, saying how proud he was to have his Puerto Rico team beat "the big colossal from the North."

"I'm humiliated," said our coach, Larry Brown. I think he immediately began looking into other job offers from Cuba and Angola.

Well, we got by Greece, but by only six points and only because Lamar Odom blocked a last-minute shot by the immortal Dimitris Papanikolaou.

And we edged Australia, even though we were behind late in the game.

Then we lost to Lithuania, mainly because the great Iverson and Marbury and James and Duncan couldn't hold the immortal Sarunas Jasikevicius under 28 points.

Everybody was humiliated. I was humiliated. Larry Brown was re-humiliated.

"We beat the States," yawned Jasikevicius. "So what?"

The beatings didn't end there. Argentina also took a basketball net and tied up our arms and legs the way gauchos do rodeo calves.

I doubt our NBA stars could have defeated a team made up of any three Argentines, including descendants of Eva Peron. I doubt we could have beaten a France team that included Tony Parker and Eva Longoria. I doubt we could have beaten a Canada team that included Canadians.

Which brings us to Beijing.

It is payback time. Friday will be the night the United States of America, for which it stands, gets to see whether we once again get to be Best of the Best or whether we get to continue to be the laughingstock of Buenos Aires.

"We want to play the best, the defending champs," Kobe Bryant said before it was clear whether Team USA would meet Argentina or Greece.

"We ain't letting anyone down this time," teammate Carmelo Anthony said.

"If we don't treat every game as our last, we could lose," said teammate James.

Well said, fellas.

America's team rides again!

As for South America's team, aw, well, madre mio, do those poor guys even have a chance?

"We know they're by far the best team," poor-mouthed Manu Ginobili, the wild San Antonio Spur of the Pampas. "We know we'll have to play a perfect game and that's probably not enough. They'll have to play badly."

Yeah, right.

That's what Puerto Rico thought.

[MannyIsGod]

ignorance? from the guy talking up portugal???


i didnt say "typical american arrogance". i just pointed out that you yourself said that was a personal preference, but it was applied to an entire group of people, and it is arrogant, or better yet, presumptuous, to speak for others in that way. but like i said, i think chump was kidding around, not being arrogant.


I bet you Chump was 100% serious in that post. If Chump was arrogant by saying what he did, then you were arrogant in the post he replied to because while you took a different side of things you said the same type of things:


the only way for an American to understand what this argie basketball team means to us, is for the US to have a soccer team beat Brazil, Italy and Germany on their way to World Cups, Olympic golds, and the core of that team featuring in dominant clubs like Milan and Barca.

So you say we'd care and Chump says we wouldn't. Yet because Chump is in disagreement then it is arrogant. Ok.




how much did the LA galaxy pay for a washed up david beckham? 250M? for a sport that you have no success at and no interest in, that's a high price tag. And i'm willing to bet that a board like bigsoccer.com has just as much traffic as one like realgm. but yeah, i'm ignorant, and all the americans playing soccer in the US and abroad are really puerto rican, right?

If business ventures were a signal of interest you might have a point. Sadly, theirs a reason you haven't seen anymore of those contracts. It was a boondoggle and did not revolutionize interest in the sport in America anymore than any of past events which were supposed to do the same: Pele playing here, World Cup held here, 02 World Cup for example. The attendence, TV ratings, and merchendise sales of MLS still lag far behind every other major sport in the United States so whether or not internet traffic on a board (which I'm not even sure you're correct on - unlesss you have inside information on numbers for those sites you're basicaly pulling shit out of your ass) the fact is that the money isn't there and that is a far better indicator of true interest by the American public.

As for your last statement, no one was ever arguing that the there is zero interset of Soccer in America and no one denies that is has grown in recent memory. What was challenged was your asseration that the US winning against a Brazil or Argentina in soccer on a big stage would illict the same type of response Argentina's success on the basketball court did.

[SuperManu!!!]

Go ARgentina!!! But sadly it's going to be a blowout. I just hope yanquees don't showboat too much

[samikeyp]

again with the showboating. :bang

I have to ask this once more...why is it when Team USA runs and dunks, its called showboating but if another country does it, its called beautiful basketball?

Question.

[MannyIsGod]

again with the showboating. :bang

I have to ask this once more...why is it when Team USA runs and dunks, its called showboating but if another country does it, its called beautiful basketball?

Question.

I'm sure the crowds of Chinese people who pay to get into the arena wold rather see layups.

:dramaquee:rolleyes

[samikeyp]

I'm sure the crowds of Chinese people who pay to get into the arena wold rather see layups.

:dramaquee:rolleyes

But I thought the world outside the US wanted to see them lose? ;)

[samikeyp]

I think the Chinese fans might be rooting for this guy...

http://www.vagazette.com/la-sp-olyheisler20-2008aug20,0,554003.story

[ArgSpursFan.]

I love it, and if we were ever to beat a Brazil or Argentina in the WC I'd be ecstatic but I doubt the rest of the country would share my sentiments. You don't understand the United States. It's just not a soccer nation. We beat Portugal in 02 and it didn't do all that much for the sport.

I understand you're proud of your team. Thats fine. But many Argentinians have grown cocky and have decided that my countries team has no heart. Well, my no heart team is going to beat the ever living crap out of Argentina tomorrow and konck you back down to your rightful place in the basketball hierarchy: Below - with everyone else - the United States.


PS - Pay attention bdictjames - THIS post is an example of American arrogance.

I know there's only a small chance we beat the USA team, + we don't have a deep bench eather this Olympics, but..
If Arg beats USA I´ll be waiting for you to show me again your American Arrogance,maybe just like you did after we beated your asses in 2004.
like Manu said: on the court it´s just a 5 on 5 game,and as long as He's on the court, I´ll believe.

[Solid D]

2 start times for San Antonio audience. The game actually starts at 9:15 AM CDT, Friday (Time Warner HD 102).

NBC standard cable/TV will start its broadcast 45 minutes later on NBC WOAI Channel 4 at 10:00 AM CDT (according to Don Harris).

[MannyIsGod]

I can't believe they're going to tape delay this shit? I can't believe that.

LOL They are tape delaying. NBC has really annoyed me with their tape delays but this is flat out ridiculous.

[timvp]

2 start times for San Antonio audience. The game actually starts at 9:15 AM CDT, Friday (Time Warner HD 102).

NBC standard cable/TV will start its broadcast 45 minutes later on NBC WOAI Channel 4 at 10:00 AM CDT (according to Don Harris).Thanks for the info. I was going to DVR the game but I need to see it live :hungry:

[Solid D]

:tu

In looking at the schedule, it appears that the only thing keeping NBC standard from showing the game live is the "Today" show doesn't end until 10:00 AM.

[MI21]

I can't wait for this, hopefully TV over here shows the whole thing.

I don't really know who to root for. USA is and always has been the best basketballing country in the world, despite what the Olympic and World Champ results say. Them winning gold seems right. Plus, I like the way they are playing, very entertaining, but solid fundamental basketball.

Argentina are so fun to watch, and they have Manu. One of the best true teams I've seen in my time.

I don't really care who wins, but I think US will. I expect that Argentina will put in a very good effort, and I think a lot here are underating them and there chances. Who knows though, USA could potentially win by 40. Tough game to guess a margin really.

[roycrikside]

I find it very depressing that so many so-called Spurs fans here are behaving in such a fashion. The Olympics are supposed to bring people together, not tear them apart. I think Spurs fans in the United States should be grateful that two of their best players are from other countries because it brings new culture, experiences, fans, and attention to the team. Conversely I think Argentine Manu fans and French Tony fans should realize how fortunate they are that their favorite players wound up on a team with a legendary player like Duncan and a great coach like Pop. The relationship has worked beautifully for all involved.

Personally, I think it would be a lot more boring to follow the team if all their players looked the same and came from the same country. I like variety and I like that we have fans from all over. I kinda wish we still had Beno and Rasho, not because they were all that good as players, but they brought over another segment of fans to Spurstalk.

The majority of Spurstalk might be Americans, but I would hope that as far as basketball goes we're Spurs fans first, so I don't - and will not - understand all this animosity and hatred for a team with two Spurs on it and all this passionate support and trashtalking for a team with no Spurs, and in a few cases players whom we flat out don't like in the NBA, like Kobe, Carmelo and Jason Kidd.

In fact, Anthony in particular is behaving every bit the ugly American that rubs so many people the wrong way. Look at this quote that he gave to Chris Sheridan:

"I can't wait. I can't wait to get over that hump," Carmelo Anthony said. "These last two games, there's no reason to hold anything back. To be a champion you have to beat a champion. They still have the gold medal, no matter who won the world championship in '06. We have to go out there and take that from them."

Take what from them? Their gold medals? Like go into their homes in Argentina and steal them? They give out new medals every Olympics, dude. No matter what happens tomorrow, they'll keep their '04 ones.

Also, on SportsCenter recently, I heard him say, "After we win the gold nobody will remember what happened in '04."

Wrong. I will remember. I will always remember and I'm sure many others will as well. One loss doesn't take away from a previous win. I think it's pretty arrogant for Anthony to assume that the Argentine players or people will feel any less proud of their accomplishments in '04 regardless of what happens in '08. But I guess this is a typical "what have you done for me lately" mentality. A lot of people on the board have it as well. If a player has a bad playoff series then all the great ones from before are forgotten.

Anyway, I ask again. This brawling, flagrant fouling, drunk-driving, stop-snitchin' advocating jackass is what you have forsaken Manu for? Just because he happens to be born in Baltimore rather than Bahia Blanca?

Jeffrey Dahmer is American, but I wouldn't root for him against Kobayashi in a hot dog eating contest either.

I find the comments on these boards troubling for many reasons but most of all I'm surprised why some posters here care at all in the first place. So many of you shared TPark and ChumpDumper's sentiments that the Olympics don't matter, that's it's a meaningless exhibition, that basketball matters only in the context of how it pertains to the Spurs. They bashed Manu repeatedly for wanting to play in the Olympics and called him selfish for doing so, because he'd be doing it - and I repeat - for a cause they didn't care about.

But now it's August 20 and all of a sudden all of these people do care. What changed? Are you all rooting against Ginobili now just out of spite? What would these boards be like if Argentina lost to Greece a couple days ago or if Australia upset the U.S.?

No matter what happens tomorrow, come October Manu and Oberto will be on the Spurs and the 12 guys on the U.S. team will be on teams looking to beat the Spurs. I don't understand how so many people here will seamlessly go back to rooting for and supporting players for whom they wished nothing but ill will this whole offseason and vice versa for their superstar opponents.

No true Spurs fan should ever root for a team with Manu and Fab on it to get their asses kicked just like no Argentine would ever root for the Spurs to lose a game. I cannot fathom how anyone could even contemplate such a thing. I'm not the world's biggest Parker fan but I certainly wouldn't root against France against the U.S. if he's playing for them and no Spur is on the U.S. side. At the end of the day it's the player we see 8 months a year, not a national uniform, and I don't know about all of you, but I'd like our Spurs players to be happy, in good spirits, confident and successful, in all their competitions and endeavors.

[whottt]

I pay attention to Soccer...I want to see us kick the crap out of everyone, just once. Then I can say be careful what you wish for....world.

[whottt]

I find it very depressing that so many so-called Spurs fans here are behaving in such a fashion. The Olympics are supposed to bring people together, not tear them apart. I think Spurs fans in the United States should be grateful that two of their best players are from other countries because it brings new culture, experiences, fans, and attention to the team. Conversely I think Argentine Manu fans and French Tony fans should realize how fortunate they are that their favorite players wound up on a team with a legendary player like Duncan and a great coach like Pop. The relationship has worked beautifully for all involved.

Personally, I think it would be a lot more boring to follow the team if all their players looked the same and came from the same country. I like variety and I like that we have fans from all over. I kinda wish we still had Beno and Rasho, not because they were all that good as players, but they brought over another segment of fans to Spurstalk.

The majority of Spurstalk might be Americans, but I would hope that as far as basketball goes we're Spurs fans first, so I don't - and will not - understand all this animosity and hatred for a team with two Spurs on it and all this passionate support and trashtalking for a team with no Spurs, and in a few cases players whom we flat out don't like in the NBA, like Kobe, Carmelo and Jason Kidd.

In fact, Anthony in particular is behaving every bit the ugly American that rubs so many people the wrong way. Look at this quote that he gave to Chris Sheridan:

"I can't wait. I can't wait to get over that hump," Carmelo Anthony said. "These last two games, there's no reason to hold anything back. To be a champion you have to beat a champion. They still have the gold medal, no matter who won the world championship in '06. We have to go out there and take that from them."

Take what from them? Their gold medals? Like go into their homes in Argentina and steal them? They give out new medals every Olympics, dude. No matter what happens tomorrow, they'll keep their '04 ones.

Also, on SportsCenter recently, I heard him say, "After we win the gold nobody will remember what happened in '04."

Wrong. I will remember. I will always remember and I'm sure many others will as well. One loss doesn't take away from a previous win. I think it's pretty arrogant for Anthony to assume that the Argentine players or people will feel any less proud of their accomplishments in '04 regardless of what happens in '08. But I guess this is a typical "what have you done for me lately" mentality. A lot of people on the board have it as well. If a player has a bad playoff series then all the great ones from before are forgotten.

Anyway, I ask again. This brawling, flagrant fouling, drunk-driving, stop-snitchin' advocating jackass is what you have forsaken Manu for? Just because he happens to be born in Baltimore rather than Bahia Blanca?

Jeffrey Dahmer is American, but I wouldn't root for him against Kobayashi in a hot dog eating contest either.

I find the comments on these boards troubling for many reasons but most of all I'm surprised why some posters here care at all in the first place. So many of you shared TPark and ChumpDumper's sentiments that the Olympics don't matter, that's it's a meaningless exhibition, that basketball matters only in the context of how it pertains to the Spurs. They bashed Manu repeatedly for wanting to play in the Olympics and called him selfish for doing so, because he'd be doing it - and I repeat - for a cause they didn't care about.

But now it's August 20 and all of a sudden all of these people do care. What changed? Are you all rooting against Ginobili now just out of spite? What would these boards be like if Argentina lost to Greece a couple days ago or if Australia upset the U.S.?

No matter what happens tomorrow, come October Manu and Oberto will be on the Spurs and the 12 guys on the U.S. team will be on teams looking to beat the Spurs. I don't understand how so many people here will seamlessly go back to rooting for and supporting players for whom they wished nothing but ill will this whole offseason and vice versa for their superstar opponents.

No true Spurs fan should ever root for a team with Manu and Fab on it to get their asses kicked just like no Argentine would ever root for the Spurs to lose a game. I cannot fathom how anyone could even contemplate such a thing. I'm not the world's biggest Parker fan but I certainly wouldn't root against France against the U.S. if he's playing for them and no Spur is on the U.S. side. At the end of the day it's the player we see 8 months a year, not a national uniform, and I don't know about all of you, but I'd like our Spurs players to be happy, in good spirits, confident and successful, in all their competitions and endeavors.



I suggest you give up sports and try Opera...or flower growing. Seriously...that was the biggest crock of shit I've ever read. Why even bother watching competition? The very nature of it is for someone to beat someone else...


Vince Lombardi would have ripped off your head shat down the bloody stump. At the very least...you'd have been cut.


Shawn Johnson has more balls than you. Pick a side...for you see, when trying to be a fan of everything, you become a fan of nothing.

[roycrikside]

I pay attention to Soccer...I want to see us kick the crap out of everyone, just once. Then I can say be careful what you wish for....world.

The U.S. will not be an international soccer threat until they can produce a world-class striker and a world-class playmaker. Young Jozy Altidore has the potential to be the former, and it's a good sign that at 19 he's already playing for Villarreal. But I still don't see that classic #10 on the U.S. team.

[Trainwreck2100]

I suggest you give up sports and try Opera...or flower growing. Seriously...that was the biggest crock of shit I've ever read. Why even bother watching competition? The very nature of it is for someone to beat the other person...


Vince Lombardi would have ripped off your head shat down the bloddy stump. At the very least...you'd have been cut.

i'd probably say the same thing if i bothered to read it.

[Trainwreck2100]

The U.S. will not be an international soccer threat until they can produce a world-class striker and a world-class playmaker. Young Jozy Altidore has the potential to be the former, and it's a good sign that at 19 he's already playing for Villarreal. But I still don't see that classic #10 on the U.S. team.


The US will not be a threat because their best athletes don't play soccer

[whottt]

Team USA isn't playing for the guy who'll be happy for whoever wins...neither is Team Argentina.

[whottt]

The U.S. will not be an international soccer threat until they can produce a world-class striker and a world-class playmaker. Young Jozy Altidore has the potential to be the former, and it's a good sign that at 19 he's already playing for Villarreal. But I still don't see that classic #10 on the U.S. team.

Which will make it all the sweeter when we win.

[J.T.]

I hope Kobe crosses over Manu and dunks it like fifty times in this game. People putting Manu before country need to gtfo. I'm a Ginobili fan but not in an Argentina jersey.

[MannyIsGod]

I suggest you give up sports and try Opera...or flower growing. Seriously...that was the biggest crock of shit I've ever read. Why even bother watching competition? The very nature of it is for someone to beat someone else...


Vince Lombardi would have ripped off your head shat down the bloody stump. At the very least...you'd have been cut.


Shawn Johnson has more balls than you. Pick a side...for you see, when trying to be a fan of everything, you become a fan of nothing.

:lmao

Oh shit that was a good one.

[roycrikside]

Um, I think it's pretty obvious I picked a side. Perhaps you can't read.

[Kori Ellis]

I hope Manu plays awesome, stays healthy, and I hope the game is somehow close.

Ideally, I want the game to be a nail biter with Kobe propelling the U.S. team to victory. Manu will be pissed off at Kobe and tear up the Lakers in the NBA season.

Win-win.

[roycrikside]

I suggest you give up sports and try Opera...or flower growing. Seriously...that was the biggest crock of shit I've ever read. Why even bother watching competition? The very nature of it is for someone to beat someone else...


Vince Lombardi would have ripped off your head shat down the bloody stump. At the very least...you'd have been cut.


Shawn Johnson has more balls than you. Pick a side...for you see, when trying to be a fan of everything, you become a fan of nothing.

Some advice for Whottt, Mannyisgod, Trainwreck and whoever else cares to take it. You look a lot more educated if you actually read something before you comment/attack it.

I picked a side. I stated my case for why I picked the side I did.

If you cannot understand the point of the post, it's your cross to bare.

[T Park]

I think I predicted right about Duncan after the 2004 games :)

[Trainwreck2100]

Some advice for Whottt, Mannyisgod, Trainwreck and whoever else cares to take it. You look a lot more educated if you actually read something before you comment/attack it.

I picked a side. I stated my case for why I picked the side I did.

If you cannot understand the point of the post, it's your cross to bare.

I said i didn't read it, I only quoted you agreeing that us soccer sucks the post i quoted i read.

[MannyIsGod]

Some advice for Whottt, Mannyisgod, Trainwreck and whoever else cares to take it. You look a lot more educated if you actually read something before you comment/attack it.

I picked a side. I stated my case for why I picked the side I did.

If you cannot understand the point of the post, it's your cross to bare.

Some advice for roycrikside - stop caring how people on a message board percieve you. I don't care if you think I'm the dumbest most ignorant motherfucker around.

[Deimosfobos]

How is it arrogant to display a personal preference? In fact its fucking arrogant to suggest that we have to like what you like or its arrogant. Not only that its also fucking stupid.

If you don't understand what arrogant means then maybe you shouldn't use the word.

Is not... anyone can say football (soccer for you) sucks and is boring. Saying thats "American arrogance" is stupid imo.

After all, I consider your football (American football for us), to be boring as hell and gay compared to Rugby (real man sport). That doesn't make me arrogant or anything, is just my opinion.




I love it, and if we were ever to beat a Brazil or Argentina in the WC I'd be ecstatic but I doubt the rest of the country would share my sentiments. You don't understand the United States. It's just not a soccer nation. We beat Portugal in 02 and it didn't do all that much for the sport.

I understand you're proud of your team. Thats fine. But many Argentinians have grown cocky and have decided that my countries team has no heart. Well, my no heart team is going to beat the ever living crap out of Argentina tomorrow and konck you back down to your rightful place in the basketball hierarchy: Below - with everyone else - the United States.


PS - Pay attention bdictjames - THIS post is an example of American arrogance.

I have family in the States and I know most of what you say is true... but Team USA will probably destroy Argentina not because they have a lot of heart (not saying they don't), but because they have a far superior team in this games.


I hope Manu plays awesome, stays healthy, and I hope the game is somehow close.

Ideally, I want the game to be a nail biter with Kobe propelling the U.S. team to victory. Manu will be pissed off at Kobe and tear up the Lakers in the NBA season.

Win-win.

I would take that... as long as Argentina wins Bronze later... :)

[samikeyp]

No true Spurs fan should ever root for a team with Manu and Fab on it to get their asses kicked just like no Argentine would ever root for the Spurs to lose a game. I cannot fathom how anyone could even contemplate such a thing. I'm not the world's biggest Parker fan but I certainly wouldn't root against France against the U.S. if he's playing for them and no Spur is on the U.S. side. At the end of the day it's the player we see 8 months a year, not a national uniform, and I don't know about all of you, but I'd like our Spurs players to be happy, in good spirits, confident and successful, in all their competitions and endeavors.

You are wrong. I am as true and loyal of a Spurs fan as there is on this board and have been longer than most here and I am rooting for the US. I don't wish ill on Manu or Oberto but I root for my country's team. Its not malicious or nasty its just basketball. Take issue with individual comments if you wish but there is nothing wrong with rooting for one's national team and doing so doesn't make me or anyone else any less of Spurs fan.

[Harry Callahan]

I would not take any joy in Manu and Oberto's team getting blown out. Especially when the opponent has dirtbags like Carmello Anthony. Anthony should be happy he is getting to ride the coattails of other players.

Anthony was a disgrace in Athens in 04, and he does not deserve the Gold Medal he will probably get.

[polandprzem]

I will answer whott later, but when americans talking about money sometimes makes me laugh.

I want to add this - has anybody noticed that americans are in the Finals of the volleyball turnament?
WTF is going on? I was hoping Poland to be in the Finals and americans losing in the QF.
Well that's the sport - Wariner wanted to beat michael Johnsons record - he got silver!

[samikeyp]

I will answer whott later, but when americans talking about money sometimes makes me laugh.

I want to add this - has anybody noticed that americans are in the Finals of the volleyball turnament?
WTF is going on? I was hoping Poland to be in the Finals and americans losing in the QF.
Well that's the sport - Wariner wanted to beat michael Johnsons record - he got silver!

I have, hopefully they will get gold to add to the mens and womens Beach Volleyball golds.

[1Parker1]

I hope Manu plays awesome, stays healthy, and I hope the game is somehow close.

Ideally, I want the game to be a nail biter with Kobe propelling the U.S. team to victory. Manu will be pissed off at Kobe and tear up the Lakers in the NBA season.

Win-win.

:lol @ Kori's scenario. Rooting for Kobe!? :(

[urunobili]

I will answer whott later, but when americans talking about money sometimes makes me laugh.

I want to add this - has anybody noticed that americans are in the Finals of the volleyball turnament?
WTF is going on? I was hoping Poland to be in the Finals and americans losing in the QF.
Well that's the sport - Wariner wanted to beat michael Johnsons record - he got silver!
Americans in Volleyball won the World League and now they're going to for gold in the Olympics.. just an unbelievable generation.,.. plus they got even closer to each other after the murderer the coach's wife..

[urunobili]

I hope Kobe crosses over Manu and dunks it like fifty times in this game. People putting Manu before country need to gtfo. I'm a Ginobili fan but not in an Argentina jersey.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0821/oly_g_ginobili1_412.jpg

[polandprzem]

Americans in Volleyball won the World League
They won cause everybody else were preparing for the Olympics

Now they making some statment

[ArgSpursFan.]

I suggest you give up sports and try Opera...or flower growing. Seriously...that was the biggest crock of shit I've ever read. Why even bother watching competition? The very nature of it is for someone to beat someone else...


Vince Lombardi would have ripped off your head shat down the bloody stump. At the very least...you'd have been cut.


Shawn Johnson has more balls than you. Pick a side...for you see, when trying to be a fan of everything, you become a fan of nothing.


shut up FAT ASS

[smeagol]

Ar - Gen - Tina,
Ar - Gen - Tina,
Ar - Gen - Tina,
Ar - Gen - Tina,
Ar - Gen - Tina,
Ar - Gen - Tina !!!!!!!

[Slomo]

I can't believe they're going to tape delay this shit? I can't believe that.

LOL They are tape delaying. NBC has really annoyed me with their tape delays but this is flat out ridiculous.

Perfect!!!

Argies here's your opportunity to create a perfectly fake game blog. Anounce ARG the winner before Manny has the chance of even seeing the game :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

Perfect!!!

Argies here's your opportunity to create a perfectly fake game blog. Anounce ARG the winner before Manny has the chance of even seeing the game :lmao

Slomo. Your lack of faith in me hurts me. I've already got a main stream, a backup stream, and a back up for the backup. Fuck NBC and Fuck Manu.

[samikeyp]

Slomo. Your lack of faith in me hurts me. I've already got a main stream, a backup stream, and a back up for the backup. Fuck NBC and Fuck Manu.

You have two streams and a backup...typical arrogant American. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

You have two streams and a backup...typical arrogant American. :lol

LOL typical prepared American. I'm not missing this shit.

[MannyIsGod]

NBC hasn't tape delayed a single game and they start with this one. so fucking retarded.

[MannyIsGod]

You time warner bitches are safe though. Fuck your Olympic Basketball Channel.

I am one bitter son of a bitch right now.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

shut up FAT ASS

:lmao is this the best you can come up with??

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao is this the best you can come up with??

Everytime he posts I feel a tiny bit of pity for Argentina. Its bad enough you have to lose today. Its just not right to have to deal with that AND have this guy as part of your fan base.

[MannyIsGod]

Hmm, maybe the TV listings are wrong and NBC is planning on showing the entire game live. Thats kinda what they said on the current broadcast.

[spurschick]

You time warner bitches are safe though. Fuck your Olympic Basketball Channel.

I am one bitter son of a bitch right now.

Can't you watch online?

[DPG21920]

Time Warner por vida!

[MannyIsGod]

Can't you watch online?

When I looked at the listings online through NBC's site it looked like they weren't showing it live online. I have streams lined up to watch the game live with if its not on anywhere else. I'd just rather watch it in HD damn it.

[spurschick]

When I looked at the listings online through NBC's site it looked like they weren't showing it live online. I have streams lined up to watch the game live with if its not on anywhere else. I'd just rather watch it in HD damn it.

That's how I'm watching it. I thought that USA network would be showing it.

[polandprzem]

Hmm - just wondering if to go on a stream with english commentary

[Anti.Hero]

Hmm - just wondering if to go on a stream with english commentary

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Sounds good either way



Poor TEAM USA will be fighting for silver after this morning:bking

[MoSpur]

So is there a link someone can share?

[Slomo]

Slomo. Your lack of faith in me hurts me. I've already got a main stream, a backup stream, and a back up for the backup. Fuck NBC and Fuck Manu.

:depressed

That would have been such an excellent way to have fun for a while :lol

Not much longer now. Looking forward to watch the meltdown (don't really care much as to who's) :lmao

[Slomo]

OT

Fuck!!! Have you seen the 4x100m finals just now :wow

[MannyIsGod]

:bking
Poor TEAM USA will be fighting for silver after this morning


LMAO you realize you just said Team USA is going to win right?

[sassystriker]

Go Manu!!! Go Argentina!!! Win!!! Win!!! Win!!!

[MannyIsGod]

OT

Fuck!!! Have you seen the 4x100m finals just now :wow

What happened? Did Bolt do something nuts again?

[sassystriker]

Win Manu!!! I'm Praying for you!!!

[1Parker1]

Go Manu! And Argentina! :)

[MannyIsGod]

NBC.com does have a live stream. The Today Show is still on NBC so I don't think they'll show the start of the game, but it says online that they'll be showing it live at 10am so I think they may just pick it up in progress.

[spurschick]

The stream I'm watching has no commentary at all... weird, and yet wonderful.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

What happened? Did Bolt do something nuts again?


Bolt and Usafa Powell. They were the difference. Broke another World Record

[MannyIsGod]

The stream I'm watching has no commentary at all... weird, and yet wonderful.

None of the NBC.com ones ever do. Its really weird but like you said its nice at times.

[MoSpur]

OT

Fuck!!! Have you seen the 4x100m finals just now :wow

What happened?

[spurschick]

None of the NBC.com ones ever do. Its really weird but like you said its nice at times.


Doh! Spoke too soon... there's the commentary.

[MannyIsGod]

Bolt and Usafa Powell. They were the difference. Broke another World Record

The Jamaicans are fucking nuts dude. There's something in that water.

[DPG21920]

apparently Nocioni is hurt

[Anti.Hero]

wow that baldspot has grown a lot in the last couple months LOL

time to turn that solar panel on

[spurschick]

Here we go!!!:downspin:

[MaNuMaNiAc]

The Jamaicans are fucking nuts dude. There's something in that water.

No shit. It was really incredible how far behind everyone else lagged :lol At one point the rest of the competition was practically off camera...

[MannyIsGod]

Lets get this party started.

[polandprzem]

OT

Fuck!!! Have you seen the 4x100m finals just now :wow

Yup, they fucked up

[MannyIsGod]

LOL no Andres?

[BacktoBasics]

I'm not finding this. What channel is this on?

[MannyIsGod]

LOL LOL Turn over Oberto. That makes me so happy

[DPG21920]

He will play, but he is not starting. He has severe tendinitis.

[1Parker1]

Nocioni isn't playing???? If not, then Argentina's chances of winning dropped to like 2%.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm not finding this. What channel is this on?

NBC.com

[MannyIsGod]

LOL LOL LOL Foul on Oberto. I hope he gets posterized so much. I have much inner angst towards Oberto.

[BacktoBasics]

NBC.com
motherfucker its not on TV?

[MannyIsGod]

Motherfucker if your'e a richer with Time Warner it is on the Olympic Basketball channel otherwise you're fucked.

[stretch]

US with the early lead

[DPG21920]

This is a slow pace game so far

[MannyIsGod]

LOL Scola just got made into a bitch. Aweosme block.

[Ice009]

How the fuck do non US residents watch the game online??

[Slomo]

No shit. It was really incredible how far behind everyone else lagged :lol At one point the rest of the competition was practically off camera...

Exactly. The race was finished, the Jamaican were celebrating and then the second placed team ran through the finish. It was ridiculous :lol

[BacktoBasics]

Motherfucker if your'e a richer with Time Warner it is on the Olympic Basketball channel otherwise you're fucked.I'm at work we have TW here but I know nothing about an Olympic channel.

[Anti.Hero]

OMG SCOLA DRIVING ON HOWARD!!!

God, Spurs have no big other than Duncan that can do that.

[Anti.Hero]

You guys need to learn how to use the internet. You are already on the internet. Use it lol

[DPG21920]

did you see that hang time, holy crap

[MannyIsGod]

I'm at work we have TW here but I know nothing about an Olympic channel.

Go to NBC.com and plug in your zip code on the page for olympic tv listings and it shoudl tell you what channel it is.

[MannyIsGod]

Lebron James is a man.

[MannyIsGod]

Man once Argentina goes to their (non existant) bench this game is going to be awesome.

[BruceBowenFan]

holy crap ginobili bald spot did get bigger

[Cherry]

They already got their bitch slapping courtesy of the Americans.

After that, a Spain player (Calderon i think) says his team is not different from USA team.

They need an ego check... twice. Go USA

[MannyIsGod]

The awesome thing about the online feed is that they have the court miced really well. You get to hear a lot of the talk on the court.

[Anti.Hero]

Could these announcers be any more on their knees for team usa

[MannyIsGod]

Oh man...

If Kobe is on today...

[MannyIsGod]

I think Chris Paul hates Manu.

[BUMP]

all of a sudden Argentina playing NO defense.

[DPG21920]

are you kidding me

[carina_gino20]

Fuck, Manu!

[Hemotivo]

Manu injured

[MannyIsGod]

LMAO now I fucking know why other teams' fans hate Manu. LOL. What a fucker. i still love him though.

[Ice009]

What the fuck is going on???
What is the score?

[Anti.Hero]

manu down grabbing his ankle!



hahahaha figures

[Hemotivo]

now USA have chance

[Kriz-Maxima]

shit

[DPG21920]

I hate Chris Paul, he is as dirty and cheap as anyone in the league.

[TMTTRIO]

oh crap

[polandprzem]

shit

[fotan2]

wtf

MANU take a rest plz

[polandprzem]

manu ankle out

[TMTTRIO]

get

[Cherry]

Manu is hurt and Nocioni is in

[Russ]

Manu looks to be okay. :)

[carina_gino20]

The 5% vhance just when down to 0.

[MannyIsGod]

MOTHER FUCKER he better not be hurt bad. Fuck.

[dbreiden83080]

Great Job Manu, way to rest up and not take any chances on your season

[Ice009]

What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Guys Laughing At Manu Getting Hurt.

[stretch]

Kobe tearing it up

[BruceBowenFan]

16-4 still in the 1st usa is leading

[stretch]

21-4

[naico]

Worst off season ever: FO fails again nd Gino fucks up his ankle even more.

[carina_gino20]

21-4, USA. What's the update on Manu?

[Anti.Hero]

How lame. Arg already looks defeated after 1st 5 mins of play.

[Kriz-Maxima]

game over?

[Cherry]

The 5% vhance just when down to 0.

yeah, USA learn about pass, defence and teamwork.

[Matches Malone]

I'm at work. Anybody knows where I can listen to a live audio feed?
Tks in advance.

GO ARGENTINA!

[BUMP]

this will get ugly

[Anti.Hero]

What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Guys Laughing At Manu Getting Hurt.

We all knew this was a high risk. With the way the off-season has gone, you can't help but laugh.

[Slomo]

The US couldn't win clean vs. ARG. To have a chance they had to injure Manu!
:stirpot:

[naico]

:toast Btw: thanks for the flag Kori! :toast

[MannyIsGod]

How lame. Arg already looks defeated after 1st 5 mins of play.

They're showing a lot of heart IMO.

:stirpot:

[Ice009]

Come on Argentina. THAT IS A GUTLESS effort to start the game. Get it GOING.

[dbreiden83080]

What The Fuck Is Wrong With You Guys Laughing At Manu Getting Hurt.

I'm not laughing, i am pissed off he is even out there

[I Love Me Some Me]

Well, goodnight now.

[MannyIsGod]

The US couldn't win clean vs. ARG. To have a chance they had to injure Manu!
:stirpot:

Manu hurt himself flopping

:stirpot:

[carina_gino20]

Somebody check on Pop. He probably just had a heartattack.

[BruceBowenFan]

lebron still cant hit his free throws

[polandprzem]

Manu hurt himself flopping

:stirpot:

arrogant american!

[Slomo]

Manu hurt himself flopping

:stirpot:
:lol

[MajorMike]

18-0 run... this game is so over.

[DPG21920]

Didn't Manu say if they get down 20, he would be the first to ask to be subbed?

[MoSpur]

LeBron = overrated

[Anti.Hero]

Watching Scola really makes you realize how horrible and nonathletic our bigs are (other than TD)

[MannyIsGod]

American's can't shoot the 3 imo.

[Matches Malone]

Audio feed, please?

[DPG21920]

We need Ginobili to be ok. I hate seeing him hurt.

[MannyIsGod]

Goal for Argentina in the 2nd:

Score in double figures.

[BruceBowenFan]

30-12 after 1

[Hemotivo]

Manu hurt himself flopping

:stirpot:

you seem soo happy

[MannyIsGod]

Ah fuck, I spoke too soon. Andres puts them over the hump.

[YODA]

what channel is this on?

[BUMP]

i dont think Argentina can survive 3 more quarters

[Hemotivo]

30-11

[timvp]

F the game. Just gotta hope Manu is healthy.

Spurs season >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt Olympic games

[MannyIsGod]

you seem soo happy

I'm happy the US are kicking the shit out of Argentina; Yes. I can't do anything about Manu's ankle. I hope its not serious but I don't know what you want from me. I can't fly to Beijing and give him a foot rub. I bet he goes back into the game.

[Anti.Hero]

Sit Ginobili the entire first half of the season for that ankle.

[Hemotivo]

30-13

[completely deck]

what channel is this on?

Channel NbcOlympics.com :lol

[carina_gino20]

can someone provide a link to the game?

Go to www.rojadirecta.com, and look for the Arg-US game. Choose the FLUTV link.

[Russ]

Manu's ankle did not look like it got twisted very bad. Probably just a tweak.

And a good excuse to sit out this debacle.

[spurschick]

F the game. Just gotta hope Manu is healthy.

Spurs season >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt Olympic games

Word.

[naico]

Manu to the locker rooms now.

[Hemotivo]

lol @ refs

[polandprzem]

F the game. Just gotta hope Manu is healthy.

Spurs season >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt Olympic games

and you still about money?

[Ice009]

Laugh it up. If you don't want Manu trade him to the Lakers. Then laugh it up when the Spurs don't even make the playoffs.

[sribb43]

watching on nbc.com with no commentary and court sounds only, the USA talks way too much trash

[Hemotivo]

Scola !!!!

[Matches Malone]

Anybody...audio Feed Please!

[MannyIsGod]

Laugh it up. If you don't want Manu trade him to the Lakers. Then laugh it up when the Spurs don't even make the playoffs.

Yeah let me pick up my BatPhone that calls Pop and give him an order on what to do. I'll have him trade Manu right away!

[Hemotivo]

What A Block!!!!

[Hemotivo]

nocioni in 1 leg!!!!

[Slomo]

What A Block!!!!
:wow

[DPG21920]

I want the Spurs to get Nocioni