USA v Spain - Time to bring the Gold HOME.

[Kori Ellis]

Duncan also got some steroid shots

cortisone which is allowed also is a "drug"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisone


Try to learn something. Try to know the reality in sports and then talk.

Uhh... there's a difference between cortisone and other such steroids and anabolic steroids taken to increase muscle mass.

For one thing, one of them is legal in sports and one isn't.

[Pero]

NBA players get tested regularly. Do you know any NBA players? I know several of them personally, and they all get tested.

If I remember right, a lot of drugs that are allowed in the NBA aren't allowed in FIBA competitions....

[GSH]

oh i understand the difference. the difference is that you think the spurs own manu, so for him it is a BS exhibition, but at the same time you are a patriot, so when your country wins you are "on top of the world", even though you won an "exhibition". In other words, when it suits your club interest it is meaningless, but when it suits your national interests its meaningful.

epitome of selfish, indeed.


The Spurs don't own Manu, but they have sure as hell rented him. I don't see any difference between Manu and those other guys. They all ought to have their asses kicked for endangering their NBA seasons. Last time I checked, several million dollars per year represents one hell of a commitment on the part of the teams. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to show a similar level of commitment. And, for the record, it's ultimately the fans that are paying those salaries.

This all got started because we used to send amateurs (kids) to the Olympics, while other countries were sending what amounted to seasoned professionals. We finally got to send our professionals, and they destroyed the other teams. And, yes, Americans took pride in that. But if David Robinson, for instance, had been injured and missed the next season? You would have heard just as many people saying that it was a dumb thing for him to do.

[Kori Ellis]

For poland ...

(learn something, as you would say)


Steroid injections are a common and effective treatment for a variety of conditions in which inflammation causes pain, swelling and other problems. Glucocorticoids, particularily prednisone and cortisone, are used in injections for inflammation and pain. These hormones help reduce inflammation and pain in the body. Cortisone is the most well known injected steroid and it has a dramatic anti-inflammatory effect on tissues, particularly joints and tendons. This family of steroids is not the same thing as anabolic steroids, which are used to enhance muscular development, and are largely illegal in international athletic competition.

[Jobbs]

Duncan also got some steroid shots

cortisone which is allowed also is a "drug"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisone


Try to learn something. Try to know the reality in sports and then talk.

I got a lot of those shots in my shoulder when I use to play sports. It never showed up on my drug test because the shot has a weak steroid vs. the kind bodybuilders take.

edit: oh yeah...the shot + rehab is a great alternative to getting cut open

if the IOC has this as a banned drug, then I'm willing to bet a lot of athletes would be kicked out

[polandprzem]

If I remember right, a lot of drugs that are allowed in the NBA aren't allowed in FIBA competitions....

Americans are not being testes in the olympics

[Jobbs]

NBA players aren't tested during the summer per the CBA

[polandprzem]

For poland ...

(learn something, as you would say)


cortisone which is allowed also is a "drug"


That shows how many people are not well informed about steroids.
Many of them are used for health issues.


You probably thinks that there are only Tim mongomey and Marion Jones who took the roids in whole american athletic world. Come on. It doesn't even sounds serious.

[polandprzem]

btw. steroids for athlets are not just helping them gain muscle mass.

F1, golf for example are also infected by steroids and I can't see them (sportmen) having big muscle mass.

[Kori Ellis]

...
Many of them are used for health issues.

True, but those steroids aren't the same family of drugs as anabolic steroids used for muscle enhancement. And you don't seem to be understanding the difference. Cortisone and those steroids aren't banned drugs.

[Pero]

True, but those steroids aren't the same family of drugs as anabolic steroids used for muscle enhancement. And you don't seem to be understanding the difference. Cortisone and those steroids aren't banned drugs.

They could be in FIBA.

[polandprzem]

if the IOC has this as a banned drug, then I'm willing to bet a lot of athletes would be kicked out

Well it is all about "you" having too much something in your body.

There are doses which are allowed. It means they are in average. Only when you are higher then the average you may get banned which is highly inprobable.

[polandprzem]

True, but those steroids aren't the same family of drugs as anabolic steroids used for muscle enhancement. And you don't seem to be understanding the difference. Cortisone and those steroids aren't banned drugs.

Jesus Crist


Can you read?

[polandprzem]

True, but those steroids aren't the same family of drugs as anabolic steroids used for muscle enhancement. And you don't seem to be understanding the difference. Cortisone and those steroids aren't banned drugs.

They just increases your hormones

[polandprzem]

In fricking short

[J.T.]

poland you've got to be the dumbest fucking foreigner in the world and that says a lot for you to be able to out-stupid the entire nation of France.

[Kori Ellis]

Jesus Crist


Can you read?

Yeah I can read fine. You seem to think that NBA players taking cortisone is the same as someone shooting up anabolic steroids.

One is allowed by FIBA and NBA. One isn't.

[Kori Ellis]

They could be in FIBA.

Cortisone is approved by FIBA.

[polandprzem]

poland you've got to be the dumbest fucking foreigner in the world and that says a lot for you to be able to out-stupid the entire nation of France.

Thanks I will take it to my heart.


Carl Lewis was clean, Lance Armsrong was clean, Arnold was clean, bodybuilders are clean in general.

They did not get banned, did they?

Were they tested? Hell yes!

[timvp]

Przem, if I shine a light on you do the colors separate and form a rainbow?

[Pero]

Cortisone is approved by FIBA.

Ok, but I think not all drugs are approved by both.

[Pero]

Przem, if I shine a light on you do the colors separate and form a rainbow?

:lmao

[polandprzem]

Yeah I can read fine. You seem to think that NBA players taking cortisone is the same as someone shooting up anabolic steroids.

One is allowed by FIBA and NBA. One isn't.

Nope

Try to read it once again.

That was a joke with TD having a drug. But it is fricking true. Steroids are being in medicine and medicine is in sports all the time.
Some are banned some are not. And there are standarts for having too much hormones. Standarts that some people put into books.

[Kori Ellis]

Ok, but I think not all drugs are approved by both.

There's a group of drugs like cortisone that if the athletes take them, then their trainers/staff have to submit paperwork saying that the drugs were given for therapeutic reasons. If they don't file the papers and they test positive, then they can get in trouble.

[Allanon]

poland you've got to be the dumbest fucking foreigner in the world and that says a lot for you to be able to out-stupid the entire nation of France.

Ah, give the Polish guy a break. If this was in Polish, I'd guess he'd have a much more sensical argument.

[Kori Ellis]

. Steroids are being in medicine and medicine is in sports all the time.
Some are banned some are not.

We all know that. That's what we have been saying all along. You are the one saying that Team USA was taking the banned substances.

[polandprzem]

Przem, if I shine a light on you do the colors separate and form a rainbow?

Yea I'm clean as glass.


Yea, go to you imaginated world.


Well it seems that what I was saying about american is more true then I expected.

It's sad

[Kori Ellis]

Ah, give the Polish guy a break. If this was in Polish, I'd guess he'd have a much better sensical argument.

No, it's not a language barrier. He's just being obnoxious today.

[polandprzem]

We all know that. That's what we have been saying all along. You are the one saying that Team USA was taking the banned substances.

Yup, it's known fact all around the world. I guess not in america :rolleyes

[Kori Ellis]

Well it seems that what I was saying about american is more true then I expected.

It's sad

I suggest you log off and start posting on a Polish basketball forum run by Polish people. You, boutons and ArgSpursfan all despise America so much, you shouldn't be on an American basketball forum run by American people.

[polandprzem]

I suggest you log off and start posting on a Polish basketball forum run by Polish people. You, boutons and ArgSpursfan all despise America so much, you shouldn't be on an American basketball forum run by American people.

You getting upset by such thing?

[Pero]

There's a group of drugs like cortisone that if the athletes take them, then their trainers/staff have to submit paperwork saying that the drugs were given for therapeutic reasons. If they don't file the papers and they test positive, then they can get in trouble.

Ah. I remember an "incident" in my local team, when an American player tested positive for some drug during the season. I think it was for his heart or something. Anyway, it's allowed in the US, not here. He didn't know. Then all hell broke loose, because he didn't say anything before and especially because the team didn't suspend him.

[Kori Ellis]

You getting upset by such thing?

No I'm not upset; I don't get upset. I am just laughing at your continual obnoxious behavior.

[Allanon]

No, it's not a language barrier. He's just being obnoxious today.

Reading some of the racist comments towards "Americans", I think I'll stay out of this.

[MannyIsGod]

You getting upset by such thing?

Why can't you ever just shut the fuck up?

[polandprzem]

Let me get this straight

I'm not hating on americans in general.

I was talking shit about ameruicans just for having fun of TPark, bringing some international smack. The fuck is wrong with that if I get nthe smack back?


The steroid issues are a different story. Saying that athlets are clean and just few takes them is irrational. It is even something beyond any logic.
Also saying that americans (pro players) have tests and are clean is fake. Cause the test are fake.
This is simple fact and damn I never though that I will be arguing about this with peoole who were in sports so many years.

[Kori Ellis]

The steroid issues are a different story. Saying that athlets are clean and just few takes them is irrational. It is even something beyond any logic.
Also saying that americans (pro players) have tests and are clean is fake. Cause the test are fake.
This is simple fact and damn I never though that I will be arguing about this with peoole who were in sports so many years.

No one said all athletes are clean. But no one is agreeing with you that all the players on Team USA are on banned anabolic steroids and faking drug tests.

[MannyIsGod]

Let me get this straight

I'm not hating on americans in general.

I was talking shit about ameruicans just for having fun of TPark, bringing some international smack. The fuck is wrong with that if I get nthe smack back?


The steroid issues are a different story. Saying that athlets are clean and just few takes them is irrational. It is even something beyond any logic.
Also saying that americans (pro players) have tests and are clean is fake. Cause the test are fake.
This is simple fact and damn I never though that I will be arguing about this with peoole who were in sports so many years.

You're talking out of your ass. How many basketball players have tested positive for any performance enhancing drugs? I'd guess more of them smoke weed than anything that would actually help them on the court.

You're just trying to find anything possible to discredit America's accomplishment. You have no proof to back up anything you're saying. We're all delusional yet you can't back up a damn thing you're saying. We're supposed to believe what you say simply because you say it? Thats not the way things work. Either provide proof or just STFU.

[Pero]

You're talking out of your ass. How many basketball players have tested positive for any performance enhancing drugs? I'd guess more of them smoke weed than anything that would actually help them on the court.

Wouldn't weed help against choking? :lol

[timvp]

I'm not sure why Poland is throwing out the steroid card. Poland (the country) is regarded as one of the most steroided nations on earth. Perhaps he's used to everyone around him being on steroids. That may be were his confusion is coming into play.

It'd be like arguing against a San Antonian who thinks breakfast tacos is the most popular breakfast item in Poland.

[polandprzem]

No one said all athletes are clean. But no one is agreeing with you that all the players on Team USA are on banned anabolic steroids and faking drug tests.

No one?

No one in your home or no one on this board?


btw. I have no idea if all of them but mostly yup. All sports have the posibilieties to use them properly


Ps. With this thread I gained some hate. So be it.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm not sure why Poland is throwing out the steroid card. Poland (the country) is regarded as one of the most steroided nations on earth. Perhaps he's used to everyone around him being on steroids. That may be were his confusion is coming into play.

It'd be like arguing against a San Antonian who thinks breakfast tacos is the most popular breakfast item in Poland.

He's throwing it out because he's trying his best to find anything to discredit the US Gold.

[MannyIsGod]

No one?

No one in your home or no one on this board?


btw. I have no idea if all of them but mostly yup. All sports have the posibilieties to use them properly


Ps. With this thread I gained some hate. So be it.

Where's the proof? Did you just decide this is the way things are or do you have any factual information to base your thoughts off of?

[Kori Ellis]

No one?

No one in your home or no one on this board?


btw. I have no idea if all of them but mostly yup. All sports have the posibilieties to use them properly


Ps. With this thread I gained some hate. So be it.

No one who has been unfortunate enough to converse with you in this thread.

[polandprzem]

I'm not sure why Poland is throwing out the steroid card. Poland (the country) is regarded as one of the most steroided nations on earth. Perhaps he's used to everyone around him being on steroids. That may be were his confusion is coming into play.

It'd be like arguing against a San Antonian who thinks breakfast tacos is the most popular breakfast item in Poland.

Very funny, maybe back your argument about poland?

And you needed to add this national smack right?

You can I can't

Why? Cause I'm stupid huh?


And you Mr perfect knows so much about sports!

pffff

[Brutalis]

I try to avoid stupidity but sometimes.... I like flirting with it.

[MannyIsGod]

Are you drunk?

[Pero]

:lol

[Kori Ellis]

I found a new home forum for you:

http://www.polishforums.com/poland_sports-f15_0.html

[timvp]

Very funny, maybe back your argument about poland?Show me I'm wrong.


And you needed to add this national smack right?
Truth isn't nation smack.


You can I can'tDo I need to call a waaaaambulance?


Why? Cause I'm stupid huh?No but you might be on steroids.


And you Mr perfect knows so much about sports!Thanks.

[polandprzem]

He's throwing it out because he's trying his best to find anything to discredit the US Gold.

They earned it.


Where's the proof? Did you just decide this is the way things are or do you have any factual information to base your thoughts off of?

You won't get the proof unless you will get into sport, like bodybuliding (I have some relations).
Our European Champion says it all the time - why losing money for tests? Everybody (in his opinion) taking steroids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j0nmJ0_cvc&feature=related

This is one of the trailers of the documantary m0ovie, check the rest of them. I have all this movie. It just proving what I already knew.

People got their opinions, this is one documantary movie.
btw. there are no true researches at this.

And test IMO are being made to make people believe that human can do amazing things without adition from medicine.
The question is, if taking a drugs is cheeting when everybody takes it?
And why it is cheeting. People had that invension and they added it to sports. If there will be people borned in laboratory, changed geneticly. How it will be tested then? Giving the best gens - it's so "natural"

[polandprzem]

Show me I'm wrong.
Show me you not


Truth isn't nation smack.
you sure?


Do I need to call a waaaaambulance?
your head hurts?


No but you might be on steroids.
proof?


Thanks.
Welcome



Ps. Was that good?
Cause I can give you answers to all your quotes.
Was that your intention?
Or you running conversation for your wife now?

[Brutalis]

Kori, that was the nicest way I ever seen someone show the door.

[Brutalis]

Ps. Was that good?
Cause I can give you answers to all your quotes.
Was that your intention?
Or you running conversation for your wife now?

:lmao

[samikeyp]

USA!

They were challenged, they faced it, overcame it and took the Gold.

:toast

[1Parker1]

Who won MVP?

[spursfan09]

Ok... I just came in to congratulate the US! I tried to stay up late to watch but couldn't. At least I saw the bronze medal game! I'm happy for Manu. Sad to see him in street clothes though.

[The Franchise]

They earned it.



You won't get the proof unless you will get into sport, like bodybuliding (I have some relations).
Our European Champion says it all the time - why losing money for tests? Everybody (in his opinion) taking steroids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j0nmJ0_cvc&feature=related

This is one of the trailers of the documantary m0ovie, check the rest of them. I have all this movie. It just proving what I already knew.

People got their opinions, this is one documantary movie.
btw. there are no true researches at this.

And test IMO are being made to make people believe that human can do amazing things without adition from medicine.
The question is, if taking a drugs is cheeting when everybody takes it?
And why it is cheeting. People had that invension and they added it to sports. If there will be people borned in laboratory, changed geneticly. How it will be tested then? Giving the best gens - it's so "natural"
:wtf

[ShoogarBear]

Why all the Doug West hate?

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/duqu/sports/w-baskbl/auto_action/542958.jpeg

[Slo spurs fan]

Originally Posted by T Park

got jipped for MVP last year.

Unfortunately itll go to that skirt wearing nazi jackass in dallas.




In other words, nothing.

Thank you.


Thanks anakha for saving my time. Every international poster on this board can tell the same. You are one giant dumbfuck, racist and ignorant prick. You throw your idiotic shit at every international poster, who is not agreeing with you that US of A are maybe not the greatest thing in the history of mankind.

[Shank]

For the record, breakfast tacos ARE awesome and should be the international breakfast of choice.

[ShoogarBear]

Oh, and some people need to read up on the difference between anabolic steroids and corticosteroids. Thank you.

[samikeyp]

For the record, breakfast tacos ARE awesome and should be the international breakfast of choice.

+1

[ShoogarBear]

+1

http://www.kzs-zveza.si/kzs/slike/udrih_beno.jpg

+2

[tlongII]

Rudy!

[adidas11]

Even though I already know the result, I'm watching the replay on TV right now. 5 minutes to go, and I just saw the tomahawk jam by Fernandez. Damn, this is a good game!

[US_Steroids_Cheaters]

I'm not sure why Poland is throwing out the steroid card. Poland (the country) is regarded as one of the most steroided nations on earth. Perhaps he's used to everyone around him being on steroids. That may be were his confusion is coming into play.

It'd be like arguing against a San Antonian who thinks breakfast tacos is the most popular breakfast item in Poland.

Just by looking at D.Howard before and after playing in the NBA you can tell what can of MEALS He started taking after being Drafted by the magics,and It wasn't breakfast tacos,that´s for sure.

[samikeyp]

Just by looking at D.Howard before and after playing in the NBA you can tell what can of MEALS He started taking after being Drafted by the magics,and It wasn't breakfast tacos,that´s for sure.

Polandprezm has a new troll! :lol

[T Park]

Thanks anakha for saving my time. Every international poster on this board can tell the same. You are one giant dumbfuck, racist and ignorant prick. You throw your idiotic shit at every international poster, who is not agreeing with you that US of A are maybe not the greatest thing in the history of mankind.


Not at all, but continue to have your head in your ass.

[romad_20]

www.polishjoke.com Check it out! :lol

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not sure why Poland is throwing out the steroid card. Poland (the country) is regarded as one of the most steroided nations on earth. Perhaps he's used to everyone around him being on steroids. That may be were his confusion is coming into play.

This year the steroid nation seems to be Greece. 15 of their athletes tested positive for the same steroid in Beijing.

[Leo_ARG]

I haven't been able to catch any highlights of this...

help please! :depressed

[polandprzem]

Oh, and some people need to read up on the difference between anabolic steroids and corticosteroids. Thank you.

exactly

[Sissiborgo]

mhm and its done!:D

[ShoogarBear]

exactly

:lol You know the shots that Tim Duncan got were corticosteroids, right?

[polandprzem]

:lol You know the shots that Tim Duncan got were corticosteroids, right?

Shoog you are the one that can't read with understanding?

[polandprzem]

Duncan also got some steroid shots

cortisone which is allowed also is a "drug"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisone


Try to learn something. Try to know the reality in sports and then talk.

[ShoogarBear]

You're right, I didn't waste my time actually reading the argument because it seemed stupid. Just to make clear, then, you were not trying to say that Tim Duncan getting cortisone shots was like people using anabolic steroids?

[Kori Ellis]

You're right, I didn't waste my time actually reading the argument because it seemed stupid. Just to make clear, then, you were not trying to say that Tim Duncan getting cortisone shots was like people using anabolic steroids?

He thinks all of Team USA (or at least most all as he has cleared up) are taking anabolic steroids and banned substances.

[ShoogarBear]

So what does that have to do with Duncan getting cortisone shots? Dammit, are you trying to make me go back and read it?

[Kori Ellis]

So what does that have to do with Duncan getting cortisone shots? Dammit, are you trying to make me go back and read it?

He tried to throw that in there as proof Americans were on drugs. But then when we all explained that there was a difference between the cortisone based steroids and anabolic steroids, he tried to say that was his point.

[T Park]

Man and I thought I was dumb.

[polandprzem]

You're right, I didn't waste my time actually reading the argument because it seemed stupid. Just to make clear, then, you were not trying to say that Tim Duncan getting cortisone shots was like people using anabolic steroids?

Yup

Well I was on the conversation with "drugs" (steroids) in general. That some are used for good things, some for health issues etc.
And that medicine is and alway was near the sport.
Now with the modern technology sportsmen can also use banned steroids.
The fact is that pro athletes are taking them. The problem might be with dose, cause also people got the ideas about what can be banned what not and if a sportsmen have too much of some hormone (or anything else) they say the test is positive.

The problem with NBA is that they have inner testing.
They were never tested in international competition.
One of the reason there was dream team in 1992 was that they not going to be tested cause they have their own tests.

And it is highly improbable that an athlete can have a training camp, pre season then 82 game season with all the flights, and still being fresh for the playoffs! Plus some of them during the season gaining muscle mass which really with basketball training and the games is out of mind.

So since 1992 the opinion that NBA is not clean has increased.


btw. Shoog I got the massive hate in here for saying that Americans had luck had refs and were on roids and still could not dominate Spain.
I don't know if I won't be banned for that (and for rest things I was talking about "Americans")

It offended some people I did not want to offend...

[ShoogarBear]

Well, anabolic steroids might be the single worst thing a basketball player could take. Unlike American football and baseball, it would give you very little in terms of long-term advantage, while increasing the risk of injury substantially.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

looks like mannywaswrong yet again my friends.


I feel sorry for Michael Redd. What the fuck was the point of even including a gunner like him if you were going to play him as a third team human victory cigar? Didn't Zsckskshski realize that by not giving Redd any burn, if we were in a hard bind and going cold, and then he asked Redd to come in and knock down threes, the chances of him doing so would be questionable?

Last night, if that Spain 2nd half zone would have got us in a 8-10 point hole, and Coach K called on Redd, do you really think his playing time thus far would have had him ready mentally and rhythmically to knock down those shots we would have needed?

We might as well have added another big. He looked nothing but stoked when we were winning but I still feel we misused him, and this will lead to future USA teams either neglecting or failing to acquire true shooters for future olympics.

[polandprzem]

Well, anabolic steroids might be the single worst thing a basketball player could take. Unlike American football and baseball, it would give you very little in terms of long-term advantage, while increasing the risk of injury substantially.

Well it gives you long term advantage.
Looking at LeBron or Dwight you can tell.


Also what I wanted to say. And I was saying is that sportsmen that are retired saying it is wasting money doing the tests. Big amount of them, some say 100% "are on something" it's just matter on what they are and if they are too high of the limit (limit which can be also created by a laboratory [commisin])
Sportsmen have their own labs which are working on passing the tests.


Examples of lance, arnold or carl lewis

[ChumpDumper]

The problem with NBA is that they have inner testing.
They were never tested in international competition.This is a lie.

These basketball players have been tested by the US Anti-Doping Agency this year:

Carmelo Anthony
Shane Battier
Christopher Bosh
Elton Brand
Kobe Bryant

"The only thing I think they mean is that originally NBA players were not subject to out-of-competition testing. I believe, since I got here in 1990, that all of our teams have been tested in competition. I believe since around 1998 we have also been subject to out-of-competition testing. We have been 100 percent fully compliant with USADA and WADA. In fact, last night [after the Greece game] we had a member of our team tested."

-- Craig Miller, spokesman for USA Basketball

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-33-182/Team-USA--Yes--We-re-Drug-Tested.html

[polandprzem]

spokesman for USA Basketball
That speaks


I want to say it one more time.
It's more about how to pass the test then being tested


There is official stance and unofficial stance.
You have absolutely no research which will answer to all he questions.
The only way to know about that stuff is to get into that sport as a sportsmen, and that is what Pudzianowski (used to be the strongest man on earth) said when asked about steroids.

Steroids it's not a only world of bodybuilders.

many things that I said before were misunderstood just because some ppl got upset about my dissing ...


Nevermind, I'm not gonna persuade you cause you probably thinks that I'm taking away this gold medal from Americans saying that pro sportsmen are on "drugs".

Jesus - I've been here long enough, and still people does not recognize my posting.
Shit - americans deserved it. They worked as hard as they could to redeem themselves and they deserved it. And nothing will change that esp. a shittalking by some guy from poland

[ChumpDumper]

I want to say it one more time.I want to say it one more time.

You lied when you said there was no outside testing of NBA basketball players.

[polandprzem]

I want to say it one more time.

You lied when you said there was no outside testing of NBA basketball players.

Boo hoo I lied :rolleyes


These basketball players have been tested by the US Anti-Doping Agency this year:

Carmelo Anthony
Shane Battier
Christopher Bosh
Elton Brand
Kobe Bryant

Five players this year on one occasion?
Huge amount I'm telling ya!

The US Anti-Doping Agency?
Who pick the players and when?

What test were made?

And wtf am I oracle or something?
I lied - GMAB.



You know these all anti-doping "testers" are way behind the laboratories which a inventing new steroids. Not being on the lists.
And this ocuress after years.

[ChumpDumper]

Five players this year on one occasion?
Huge amount I'm telling ya!Not on one occasion. Do you just like lying or are you an really this stupid?

How often are Polish athletes tested? Are their names listed on a website for even the most ignorant, stupid person to see?


The US Anti-Doping Agency?Yes, the ones who have been testing US athletes for years.


Who pick the players and when?It's random, just as it is for most Olympic sports.


And wtf am I oracle or something?
I lied - GMAB.You either lied or are spectacularly ignorant. Neither is relly defensible here.


You know these all anti-doping "testers" are way behind the laboratories which a inventing new steroids. Not being on the lists.
And this ocuress after years.Considering you are completely ignorant or lying about everything else, one can only assume the same for this claim as well.

Go look up the USADA's site and educate yourself so maybe you'll stop looking like a stereotype propagated by a few centuries' worth of Polish jokes.

[K-State Spur]

Well it gives you long term advantage.
Looking at LeBron or Dwight you can tell.


Also what I wanted to say. And I was saying is that sportsmen that are retired saying it is wasting money doing the tests. Big amount of them, some say 100% "are on something" it's just matter on what they are and if they are too high of the limit (limit which can be also created by a laboratory [commisin])
Sportsmen have their own labs which are working on passing the tests.


Examples of lance, arnold or carl lewis

It's one thing to talk about a guy like Barry Bonds and compare how much buffer he was at 40 vs. 35.

It's a totally stupid argument to use that with guys who were 18 and then point to them bigger at 23 and say that steroids were obviously the cause.

Hell, I grew 2 inches and added a lot more bulk to my frame while I was in college. And that was without working out being part of my job or having the advice of professional trainers.

[polandprzem]

Not on one occasion. Do you just like lying or are you an really this stupid?
So they picked only this players few times?

[I'm stupid Kori said that]



How often are Polish athletes tested? Are their names listed on a website for even the most ignorant, stupid person to see?
Is that an argument in that conversation?
It's not related IMO


Yes, the ones who have been testing US athletes for years.
I see


It's random, just as it is for most Olympic sports.
I bet it is :rolleyes

And again you've got problem with reading or understanding the point here.
It's about passing the test not making them.
All that anti-doping is bull of crap. Not me but sportsmen can say that.


You either lied or are spectacularly ignorant. Neither is relly defensible here.
Where is a lie?

I might be not correct, but lied?

[you are a kid?]


Considering you are completely ignorant or lying about everything else, one can only assume the same for this claim as well.

:tu

Yeah I lie, I steal, I'm ignorant, I curse - all in all I'm a bad man.
I admitted so now all sports are clean esp. pro players

You can sleep now peacefully




go look up the USADA's site and educate yourself so maybe you'll stop looking like a stereotype propagated by a few centuries' worth of Polish jokes.

You are using stereotypes.
Yup like athletes were using drugs on 70s and 80s and then stopped just because there were tests. But the records are being broken every bigger competition. Human gens are better and better I assume.

[ShoogarBear]

Hell, I grew 2 inches and added a lot more bulk to my frame while I was in college. And that was without working out being part of my job or having the advice of professional trainers.

Clear or cream?

[ChumpDumper]

So they picked only this players few times?So you didn't look up the website to educate your own stupid ass.




Is that an argument in that conversation?
It's not related IMOSure it is. You must know everything about the Polish anti-doping process.

.

I seeNo, you don't.



I bet it is :rolleyesI will take that bet, since you are too stupid to have already found out it's true.


And again you've got problem with reading or understanding the point here.
It's about passing the test not making them.Then why do you keep going on about the testing process? Because you are stupid?


All that anti-doping is bull of crap. Not me but sportsmen can say that.Polish sportsmen?



Where is a lie?

I might be not correct, but lied?

[you are a kid?]As I said, you are either lying or are completely ignorant.




:tu

Yeah I lie, I steal, I'm ignorant, I curse - all in all I'm a bad man.
I admitted so now all sports are clean esp. pro players

You can sleep now peacefullyNever had any trouble sleeping.






You are using stereotypes.
Yup like athletes were using drugs on 70s and 80s and then stopped just because there were tests. But the records are being broken every bigger competition. Human gens are better and better I assume.It's up to you to prove the drug use.

We're waiting for all your proof that the NBA players in the Olympics are using steroids.

[polandprzem]

OK

So I got insults on me on Poland


You can't find something more original then saying "you are stupid"?

I realy though I was talking to grown man - but I see some kid throwing insults and missing a point


I have no time explaining what is going on in sports in GENERAL. U R using a polish card? what for? Childish behavior.

I said everything what I wanted to say.
I'm not an expert. I shared my opinion and got fine answers I must say they deeply fascinated me.
The "stupid" argument and "polish" argument were the strongest it almost persuaded me [sarcasm]

[ChumpDumper]

You can't find something more original then saying "you are stupid"?It just fits so well.


I have no time explaining what is going on in sports in GENERAL. U R using a polish card? what for? Childish behavior.Are you not Polish? Do Poles not participate in Olympic sports? Since you are asking these questions of Americans about American athletes, I can ask you about Polish athletes. The difference is I actually found out about the drug testing here, I didn't whine about being American.

I said you could do simple things to avoid being branded with the stereotype propagated through Polish jokes. You did not do them. That was pretty stupid.

[Sean Cagney]

D Wadeeeeeeeeeeeeee! My man came up huge.

[MannyIsGod]

looks like mannywaswrong yet again my friends.


I feel sorry for Michael Redd. What the fuck was the point of even including a gunner like him if you were going to play him as a third team human victory cigar? Didn't Zsckskshski realize that by not giving Redd any burn, if we were in a hard bind and going cold, and then he asked Redd to come in and knock down threes, the chances of him doing so would be questionable?

Last night, if that Spain 2nd half zone would have got us in a 8-10 point hole, and Coach K called on Redd, do you really think his playing time thus far would have had him ready mentally and rhythmically to knock down those shots we would have needed?

We might as well have added another big. He looked nothing but stoked when we were winning but I still feel we misused him, and this will lead to future USA teams either neglecting or failing to acquire true shooters for future olympics.

Who do you sit? Do you sit Melo, Lebron, Kobe? Do you give Dwill and Paul less minutes? Which wing players do you play less in a 40 minute game?

The fact is that they went with a pretty limited rotation. You had about 9 players getting into the active rotation which left out Boozer, Redd and Prince for the most part but thats not a bad thing. Neither of those guys lacks ability, but when you stack them up to the players that actually played they're the obvious candidates to ride the pine.

One thing team USA did right this time was to go with an actual rotation as opposed to an all star game mentality of playing everyone in every game. Redd may not have gotten a lot of minutes in game, but there's no indication he was bitter about it by any means. In fact it looked like exactly the opposite. I think the guys that didn't play much understand the reasoning behind it and it didn't seem to dampen their emotion in any way.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Who do you sit? Do you sit Melo, Lebron, Kobe? Do you give Dwill and Paul less minutes? Which wing players do you play less in a 40 minute game?

The fact is that they went with a pretty limited rotation. You had about 9 players getting into the active rotation which left out Boozer, Redd and Prince for the most part but thats not a bad thing. Neither of those guys lacks ability, but when you stack them up to the players that actually played they're the obvious candidates to ride the pine.

One thing team USA did right this time was to go with an actual rotation as opposed to an all star game mentality of playing everyone in every game. Redd may not have gotten a lot of minutes in game, but there's no indication he was bitter about it by any means. In fact it looked like exactly the opposite. I think the guys that didn't play much understand the reasoning behind it and it didn't seem to dampen their emotion in any way.

Kidd was the weak link, we coulda gone Paul-Redd-Wade-Bron-Bosh or something along those lines.

It just makes me worry about the ability of our team to acquire pure shooters in the future.
Hopefully im just worrying over nothing.

[ShoogarBear]

Pure shooters work well in FIBA when you have a coach with a FIBA mindset, who will work an offense around getting them shots. The US has never really had that kind of coach, so that guys who are mostly just shooters don't get a lot of burn.

If we go with whottt's darling D'Antoni, guys like Redd will see a lot of time (and the defense will go to shittt).

[whottt]

D'antoni's not my darling...I just think he's a hell of a lot better International Coach than he is an NBA one...and he's a decent NBA coach. It's not ridiculous if he is named the head coach IMO.


Really...if you get anything close to this team repping the US in the future, this means with real PG's and real shooting, not to mention a couple of guys like LBJ and Wade..it doesn't really matter who the coach is...but they aren't going to like Pop hammering on them extra hard about playing D. It's got to be fun as these guys aren't going to take assrippings from the coach when they aren't being paid.

More to the point...

Chris Paul lost his International virginity in these Olympics...it's over for everyone else if he decides to stick with this...and I have a feeling he is going to.

[polandprzem]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/MsDemmie/comical_ali.jpg
^^^
ChumpDumper


WE ARE CLEAN!

And I am a Hawks fan.

[TheMadHatter]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/MsDemmie/comical_ali.jpg
^^^
ChumpDumper


WE ARE CLEAN!

And I am a Hawks fan.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

WE ARE CLEAN!I never said that. I merely said you lied repeatedly about testing, which is true.

Now where is your evidence proving the NBA players are doping?

[polandprzem]

ChumpDumper
No, that wasn't me.



Position: Dominant Center
Team: Atlanta Hawks
vBookie Cash: $1000



:lol

[ChumpDumper]

It was I who said you lied repeatedly and proved it.

Now where is your evidence proving the NBA players are doping?

[polandprzem]

It was I who said you lied repeatedly and proved it.

Now where is your evidence proving the NBA players are doping?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary


You need a definition



What did you proved?
again?

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary


You need a definition



What did you proved?
again?That you were lying about the testing of NBA players competing for USA Basketball.

[polandprzem]

That you were lying about the testing of NBA players competing for USA Basketball.

READ THE DEFINITION

Can you read with understanding?


Again - prove me I lied

[ChumpDumper]

READ THE DEFINITION

Can you read with understanding?


Again - prove me I liedAlready did.

You didn't read with understanding.

[polandprzem]

You can also back few pages, cosult it with somebody wiser in your house to explain you my point.

Then we can talk about lies, drug and rock and roll

[polandprzem]

intransitive verb
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive

[ChumpDumper]

You can also back few pages, cosult it with somebody wiser in your house to explain you my point.

Then we can talk about lies, drug and rock and rollNo need.

You lied.

I proved you wrong.

Now you are whining about it.

Get your facts straight next time before you post. It will save you this kind of embarrassment.

[ChumpDumper]

intransitive verb
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceiveThat's exactly what you did, unless you were simply completely ignorant about US drug testing.

Which is it?

[polandprzem]

That's exactly what you did.

Wrong again

[ChumpDumper]

Wrong againI will accept that you were completely ignorant.

[polandprzem]

That's exactly what you did, unless you were simply completely ignorant about US drug testing.

Which is it?

Like with kid :rolleyes


I was talking about sports in general [probably seventh time I write this]
I was talking about testing being fake thing because of this thing being suspected.
Known fact is that after many years testing laboratories found out that a guy which was at the olimpics 10 yers ago was chemically "feeded"
So the laboratories which are inventing new doping are years ahead of the testing ones - and they do not care much as there are commisions which can say who to ban.

If I lied I would have known everything. WTF am I an oracle to know everything?

I also said that US team had a luck - now fucking prove me that it's true or not?

As I said I may be incorrect! Lie is a different story.

My experience with sports, voices of people involved in it (sportsmen, jurnalists, colleges using funny things, documantary movies) gave me a picture of pro sports.
I don't believe in massive communication - I believe the people who are in it.


and btw. I never was calling anybody stupid esp. you. You brooght the "stupid argument" just like that.
How funny was it when you was saying about polish sportsmen. That harmed me as hell [sarcasm]. As I was talking about sports in general [eight time I write this?]
Then I got insult at whole polish nation from LJ, wtf?

I'm telling ya you are all too sensitive.

You haven't proved me wrong, you haven't proved me nothing.

That's it.

And don't be scare polandprzem won't take gold medal from any of the american sportsmen!
(some commisions can, like some commisions can send some chineese gymastics to the olympics - clean ones)

[polandprzem]

I will accept that you were completely ignorant.

Accept what you want. You are a free man




morgan

[ChumpDumper]

The problem with NBA is that they have inner testing.
They were never tested in international competition.This was your lie.

I proved you wrong.

Accept it.

[polandprzem]

This was your lie.

I proved you wrong.

Accept it.

That would be a lie If I knew how and when they were tested.

NBA players are being testes only 4 times during season...

But

I missed the point and I accept it.

I haven't found any info about those test, and if few test makes it for you that's fine.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9902E0D7123AF932A25750C0A9679C8B 63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all


And if what I said brings your glory back, it doesn't change nothing and it's not proving me (or anybody else) squad.

[ChumpDumper]

That would be a lie If I knew how and when they were tested.So you are pleasing complete ignorance again. Again I accept.


NBA players are being testes only 4 times during season...Is this a lie or just an ignorant statement? Because it's wrong.


I haven't found any info about those test, and if few test makes it for you that's fine.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=allMaybe you should read an article that is less than seven years old. That might help rid you of your ignorance.


And if what I said brings your glory back, it doesn't change nothing and it's not proving me (or anybody else) squad.There is no glory in this. Just quit posting demonstrably wrong stuff -- whether you are lying or just ignorant -- and you won't be called on it.

[polandprzem]

So you are pleasing complete ignorance again. Again I accept.
:tu


Is this a lie or just an ignorant statement? Because it's wrong.
So now you say that Dirk Nowitzki is lying?

But you do have doping tests?

Yeah, we have four unannounced tests per year...

http://www.realgm.com/boards//viewtopic.php?f=6&t=832705&start=15



There is no glory in this. Just quit posting demonstrably wrong stuff -- whether you are lying or just ignorant -- and you won't be called on it.
How's the Hawks doing?

[ChumpDumper]

So now you say that Dirk Nowitzki is lying?

But you do have doping tests?

Yeah, we have four unannounced tests per year...Great, since we are talking about NBA US Olympic basketball players being tested by outside agencies, they are being tested even more.

So again, is what you are saying a lie or merely ignorant?

[ChumpDumper]

So using your information and mine, we can conclude that Michael Redd was tested six time last year.

[polandprzem]

Great, since we are talking about NBA US Olympic basketball players being tested by outside agencies, they are being tested even more.

So again, is what you are saying a lie or merely ignorant?


NBA players are being testes only 4 times during season...

pownd

[ChumpDumper]

Great, since we are talking about NBA US Olympic basketball players being tested by outside agencies, they are being tested even more.

So again, is what you are saying a lie or merely ignorant?We can conclude it is a lie since you still refuse to acknowledge the outside testing you lied about in the first place. Even Dirk mentioned it before the interviewer cut him off.

[polandprzem]

So you lied man here again

I said that NBA players are being tested 4 times in a season

You said it's wrong


It is not!

So either you are arogant or you are lying



Ps. How's the Hawks again?

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks for giving a link and proving that guys like Redd are being tested six times a year!

Your help is appreciated.

[ChumpDumper]

Now that you have established that USA Basketball players can be tested for banned substances up to six times a year by the NBA and the USADA, what is your evidence that they are doing steroids?

[polandprzem]

Thanks for giving a link and proving that guys like Redd are being tested six times a year!

:wow

What a control!


So any comment on your lying?
You saying I'm lying but I can see you throwing lie after a lie.
How can you accuse me of lying? You doing it notorious !

Are the Hawks gonna be in the playoffs this year?
Try not to lie on that one.

[ChumpDumper]

:wow

What a control!


So any comment on your lying?
You saying I'm lying but I can see you throwing lie after a lie.
How can you accuse me of lying? You doing it notorious !

Are the Hawks gonna be in the playoffs this year?
Try not to lie on that one.I didn't lie. If you want to change the subject to strictly NBA testing, why don't you say so? I certainly was ignorant of the amount of tests the NBA conducts, but now it just adds to the amount of tests the players go through.

Thank you for providing a link for once.

Now that you have established that USA Basketball players can be tested for banned substances up to six times a year by the NBA and the USADA, what is your evidence that they are doing steroids?

[polandprzem]

Now that you have established that USA Basketball players can be tested for banned substances up to six times a year by the NBA and the USADA, what is your evidence that they are doing steroids?

I explained it to you milion times or so.

If your brain can't take so much knowledge in such a short term try to read one sentence, do a break about 30 minutes, then next sentence and so on.

If you need any other advice PM me.

How's the Hawks man?

Try to work on your limitation.


Ps. "tests" my ass

[ChumpDumper]

:blahNow that you have established that USA Basketball players can be tested for banned substances up to six times a year by the NBA and the USADA, what is your evidence that they are doing steroids?

[polandprzem]

I didn't lie.

:lmao


Now that you have established that USA Basketball players can be tested for banned substances up to six times a year by the NBA and the USADA, what is your evidence that they are doing steroids?

Where is your evidence that they are not?

All I can hear is "tests"


Among the sprinters at the 2008 Olympics who run the 100M there will not be one who is not doped. According to Angel Heredia in an interview by ‘Der Spiegel’. The Mexican is the principal witness for the prosecution by American authorities against Marion Jones. “In the 100M finals there will not be anyone clean because- says he who was at one time the supplier of epo to the ex superstar from the USA, who is now retired after being mired in scandal- the difference between 10 seconds and 9.7 is made by doping”. Heredia admits to having helped Maurice Greene, three years after his Olympic victory at Sydney. "I supplied him", he says. "We collaborated in 2003 and 2004. If he says that he was clean, I can only say that it is a lie". According to Heredia, “epo is in style, but it is only half as potent without also the supplementation with iron in the blood”. Then goes on to say how the so called “epo boost” that he developed can provide performances 10 times better than epo classic.

The Mexican tells that as an athlete he himself began to dope “ because everybody was doing it” and he remembers: “ athletes that he had beaten previously were tossing the discus 10 meters farther than him. I also wanted to qualify for the games”. He maintains that he knows of doping substances that can not be found by controls. “We have used crèmes that leave no trace, but keep a higher level of testosterone constantly in the body” he explains. He goes on to say that athletes even with lesser economic resources take steroids hoping not to be caught, “but if someone is able to spend $100,000, I can get him substances that cannot be discovered by tests” “It is enough for me to modify a pair of molecules at the end of a chemical chain, and the whole structure slips by the control.”

[polandprzem]

How much it is an idiotic statment thinking that people stopped using steroids because "test" were provided.

And find me an article about those testing. [I'm stupid you know please help me with explaining all that stuff]
I don't want no US spoksmen.

[ChumpDumper]

Now that you have established that USA Basketball players can be tested for banned substances up to six times a year by the NBA and the USADA, what is your evidence that they are doing steroids?

[polandprzem]

Chump Dumper establishing "things"

and talks to himself :tu

Nice

[polandprzem]

How is the offseson in Atlanta?

[ChumpDumper]

Chump Dumper establishing "things"

and talks to himself :tu

NiceI noticed you haven't produced any evidence to prove the USA Basketball players are taking steroids.

Nice. :tu

[polandprzem]

I noticed you haven't produced any evidence to prove the USA Basketball players are taking steroids.

Nice. :tu

You haven't proved me otherwise.

[polandprzem]

You haven't answerd me about Atlanta?

Are you afraid or what?

[ChumpDumper]

You haven't proved me otherwise.Claim: All adults in Poland are child molesters.

Reasoning: They are sneaky.

Prove it's not true.

I'm waiting.

[polandprzem]

Claim: All adults in Poland are child molesters.

Reasoning: They are sneaky.

Prove it's not true.

I'm waiting.

Why?

[ChumpDumper]

Why?So you admit it's true.

[polandprzem]

btw. From the joking statment

Chumpee came out felt offended , started to cry, throwing insults, few lies as well.

:tu

Damn you are so sensitive Mikee

[polandprzem]

So you admit it's true.

Did I said that?

[polandprzem]

You losing it man ...

[ChumpDumper]

So it seems you can't prove a negative.

:tu

Now prove a positive: Where is your evidence to prove the USA Basketball players are taking steroids.

[ChumpDumper]

Did I said that?You did nothing to prove you aren't all child molesters. Therefore you all must be child molesters.

[T Park]

:lol

Chump is like a lion playing with a 1 legged mouse.

Its not even fair.

[ChumpDumper]

I admit I went all Kill Bill saying it was a lie right out of the gate.

I should have been nicer and just said he was ignorant.

[polandprzem]

So it seems you can't prove a negative.

:wtf

You really need to do something about it.
You are giving me questions and then make fake conclusions, thinking it's the only truth. Not good


http://www.landers.co.uk/psychiatrist%20cartoon.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

:wtf

You really need to do something about it.
You are giving me questions and then make fake conclusions, thinking it's the only truth. Not goodI did exactly what you did. Why is that not good?

[polandprzem]

I'm telling ya if ChumpDumper is one of the most knowledgable posters
ST is really low at the moment

[Pero]

Why don't we rather talk about if all women in Poland have big breasts or not? That would be more fun. :lol

[Pero]

Chump would say no and then Poland would provide proof to the contrary with pics. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You still haven't disproven the statement that all adult Poles molest children.

Why are you avoiding that?

Because you're sneaky, just like I said.

[ChumpDumper]

Really, if you would just admit that proving a negative (which you demanded of me) is impossible, we could get off of this line of argument.

[polandprzem]

I did exactly what you did. Why is that not good?

Your brain does not function right - that is not good.

And you didn't did what I did.
You made up a statment. I didn't.



btw. Who gives a fuck about me saying that they were not tested on international competition? :lol

Chump jumps in saying IT IS A LIE!

Yupi Hurray [jesus christ]

and now that means that all what is going on in sports have changed because of it.

[polandprzem]

You still haven't disproven the statement that all adult Poles molest children.

Why are you avoiding that?.

Cause I don't want to talk about that. As simple as that.

You don't have to made up conclusions and fake statments.

As simple as that - I don't want to talk about that.

Capish?

[ChumpDumper]

Your brain does not function right - that is not good.

And you didn't did what I did.
You made up a statment. I didn't.You made up a statement -- you told me to prove all the USA Basketball players aren't using illegal steroids.

You asked me to prove a negative.

I told you to prove to me that all adult Poles don't molest children.

You may say it isn't true, but for some reason you have done nothing to prove it.

Here is you chance. Prove to the world that all adult Poles do not molest children. Otherwise we will have to accept it as true.

[ChumpDumper]

Cause I don't want to talk about that. As simple as that.

You don't have to made up conclusions and fake statments.

As simple as that - I don't want to talk about that.

Capish?You made up a conclusion and a fake statement, and you wanted to talk about it. Now you are whining that you don't want to talk anymore because the tables have been turned on you. I don't see why you have so much trouble proving a negative -- after all you asked me to do the same thing.

[polandprzem]

You made up a statement -- you told me to prove all the USA Basketball players aren't using illegal steroids.

You asked me to prove a negative.
And you couldn't

So you failed on that one



I told you to prove to me that all adult Poles don't molest children.

You may say it isn't true, but for some reason you have done nothing to prove it.

Here is you chance. Prove to the world that all adult Poles do not molest children. Otherwise we will have to accept it as true.

I don't want to talk about it.
You gonna force me to answer it, or what?

You will made up another stupid conclusion?

Prove to the world?
Wtf - you are representing the world? (interesting)

We will have to accept ...

Wow, Chump Dumper as world representative (is it true or a lie?)

[polandprzem]

You made up a conclusion and a fake statement

I conluded by years of experience.

How much experience do you have in molesting?

[T Park]

:lol

Poland has failed miserably....

[Pero]

Uh, you ask Chump to prove a negative, he can't. He asks you to prove a negative, you can't. You say he failed. So ergo, you failed also.

[ChumpDumper]

And you couldn't

So you failed on that oneAnd you couldn't prove that all adult Poles don't molest children. So you failed on that one.





I don't want to talk about it.
You gonna force me to answer it, or what?No, but now everyone knows that all adult Poles molest children.


You will made up another stupid conclusion?You did it first.


Prove to the world?
Wtf - you are representing the world? (interesting)Nah, but ST has an international audience -- and now they all know all adult Poles molest children because you failed to prove they don't.



Wow, Chump Dumper as world representative (is it true or a lie?)Judging from the deteriorating quality of your posts, it's probably another ignorant statement from you.

[ChumpDumper]

Uh, you ask Chump to prove a negative, he can't. He asks you to prove a negative, you can't. You say he failed. So ergo, you failed also.It's really that simple.

I even said it once. The example was in poor taste, but I figured it would make him think.

I was wrong.

Good talk.

[polandprzem]

Uh, you ask Chump to prove a negative, he can't. He asks you to prove a negative, you can't. You say he failed. So ergo, you failed also.

It's not about proving negative and since when it matters?

It's about fake statment that I do not want to talk about. Not that I failed to defend proving negative.

Bit of a difference I may say.

[Pero]

Why is your statement not a fake one?

[Pero]

I conluded by years of experience.

How much experience do you have in molesting?

I missed this. :lmao

But wait, does this mean that you have years of experience of taking drugs? :lol

[polandprzem]

Quite childish of person Chump is.


And you couldn't prove that all adult Poles don't molest children.
Nice talking of an grown man. :tu briliant



No, but now everyone knows that all adult Poles molest children.
Fake made up statment as usual.

I can't expect nothing oryginal from you.


You did it first.
Nope


Nah, but ST has an international audience -- and now they all know all adult Poles molest children because you failed to prove they don't.
Wow I have such powers?
I can decide what people think?



Judging from the deteriorating quality of your posts, it's probably another ignorant statement from you.

Ignorat again.




So Chump absolutely proved me that he can say:
stupid
molesting
ignorant
lie


which doesn't translate into common sense argumants


Chump also proved me that he is not able to conversate on a real arguments.
The topic which I thought can go in direction where we can answer some good points went to a direction of stupid arguments which won't bring anything to table.

It's really sad that guy who has so much post in this forum could not even try to give sensible conversation giving this forum a good quality.

[polandprzem]

I missed this. :lmao

But wait, does this mean that you have years of experience of taking drugs? :lol

Not yet. But simple drugs are not far away from me I must say.
I just have to go a buy them. Minor side effects in ashort life - you can gain much.

Pro athletes like bodybuilders can take tons of steroids and with medical help they also can have minor side effects if any.

So there are many posibilieties in sports doing it slipping through tests and not having side effects.

Anyway you can have steroids during trainings take a break of it for few months taking suplements and the strenght and endurance will still be there. So you know.

Other then that I'm tired of that "posting".

[polandprzem]

...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8nOKJTL6Tg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLv-rEaXW28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE6uegoRiFk

[polandprzem]

Why is your statement not a fake one?

It all started with me saying

americans had luck
refs on their side
and roids

and still could not win with Sapin by a big margin


Then everybody jumped on me throwing insults just because I said the americans were on steroids :rolleyes

Then Chump said that I was lying about americans not being tested in international competition.
In reality it is common truth which Chump did not want to hear.


[I wonder how that looks like comparing it to him being an Atlanta Hawks fan on a Spurs forum?

I was suppose to force him to prove positive or negative either he is or not a hawks fan?]


All in all I hope some people did a bit of research and that it helped them get some knowledge.
Not from me cause I'm not an expert. But maybe some of them ask themselves some questions that they want to answer looking for it in the internets.

Thanks

[Pero]

What does that have to do with USA basketball team?
And for the record, body building like that is distasteful to me to put it mildly.

[ChumpDumper]

Then Chump said that I was lying about americans not being tested in international competition.
In reality it is common truth which Chump did not want to hear.Ok, since you didn't admit you were wrong about that, we all know you are lying about that in addition to all adult Poles being child molesters.

[polandprzem]

pathetic

[Pero]

It all started with me saying
Then Chump said that I was lying about americans not being tested in international competition.
In reality it is common truth which Chump did not want to hear.


But it's not the truth, they are tested. They weren't tested in the past.

Anyway, I have to go to bed. Good night. :)

[ChumpDumper]

Then Chump said that I was lying about americans not being tested in international competition.
In reality it is common truth which Chump did not want to hear. Americans are tested in international competition.

You are lying.

[polandprzem]

What does that have to do with USA basketball team?
And for the record, body building like that is distasteful to me to put it mildly.

Is has to do with any sport.
Golf players, F1, Chess, archers etc.

I was talking about sports in general.



good nite

[T Park]

Americans are tested in international competition.

You are lying.

Yeah, thats like a pretty well known fact. I don't understand what his arguement against that is.

[polandprzem]

Americans are tested in international competition.

You are lying.

:sleep

[T Park]

Is has to do with any sport.
Golf players, F1, Chess, archers etc.

I was talking about sports in general.



good nite


When did chess become a sport?

[ChumpDumper]

:sleepAll this lying has tired you out.

[polandprzem]

When did chess become a sport?

Yea now you will say that I'm lying so it will mean that everybody in Golf, F1 Chess, arching are clean

:tu

That's how it works here?


I'm going to sleep - so many lies from Atlanta Hawks fan and it is 1:30 am - I need to get up early.

[Demo Dick Marcinko]

Hey Poland, the Spaniards were taking performance enhancing drugs and that enabled them to stay close to the USA. Prove that it's not true. Since apparently according to you only USA athletes are the only ones not tested, and tests can be masked or manipulated.


Now I know why they have Polish jokes.