Change

[Murphy]

What if some of us don't want "Change". Whats so wrong with the way things are right now?

[Mr. Body]

:lol

Beautiful

[Mr. Peabody]

What if some of us don't want "Change". Whats so wrong with the way things are right now?

Absolutely nothing.

Sincerely,

John McCain

[PixelPusher]

The number of Americans who believe the country is moving in the wrong direction has risen sharply, to nearly eight in ten, amid soaring food and gas prices, falling home values and unending war. Just 17 percent say the country is going in the right direction, according to an AP-Ipsos poll.
I always wondered who those 17% were...never met one until now.

[Murphy]

i think obama means change, as in the more change he is gonna take out from my paycheck

[ChumpDumper]

i think obama means change, as in the more change he is gonna take out from my paycheckHow much?

[Murphy]

enough to erect a monument to Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright in washington

[ChumpDumper]

enough to erect a monument to Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright in washingtonSo this is what you resort to when you feel cornered.

Really, how much?

[Mr. Peabody]

i think obama means change, as in the more change he is gonna take out from my paycheck

Evidently, you are not in the 95% of Americans that are seeing their taxes decrease under Obama.....

[Mr. Peabody]

Really, how much?


Uhhhh....Hannity didn't tell me that part....

[ChumpDumper]

For people who bitch about wanting specifics so much, they have nothing to say when asked point blank things like how much an Obama tax plan will cost them or how much unlimited drilling in the US would lower gas prices.

[boutons_]

right-wing slime that Obama campaign tax plan would raise everybody's taxes. right-wingers won't produce facts and specifics since their slime is all lies.

http://alchemytoday.com/obamataxcut/

[SnakeBoy]

right-wing slime that Obama campaign tax plan would raise everybody's taxes. right-wingers won't produce facts and specifics since their slime is all lies.

http://alchemytoday.com/obamataxcut/

Umm...so if your single, make $200K, and have no dependents then Obama is going to give you a $3000 tax cut. Are we really supposed to believe that lie? Do you actually believe that?

I remember Bill Clinton said he would only raise taxes on the top 2%.

Single, no children, net income $500K and it says Obama "probably" won't give you a tax cut. That's funny shit!

[efrem1]

Evidently, you are not in the 95% of Americans that are seeing their taxes decrease under Obama.....

Fits into Neil Boortz's theory of democratic supremacy. Get 50 percent plus 1 of the people not to pay taxes and have them on your side to vote to seize the money from other 49 percent. It is stealing by majority vote. :ihit

[Mr. Peabody]

Fits into Neil Boortz's theory of democratic supremacy. Get 50 percent plus 1 of the people not to pay taxes and have them on your side to vote to seize the money from other 49 percent. It is stealing by majority vote. :ihit

If by "stealing" you mean people will pay the same tax rate they paid under the Clinton administration, then yeah I guess you're right.:rolleyes

[efrem1]

Well let Boortz speak for himself:

"Then there's Obama's line about the Republicans and McCain not proposing one penny of tax relief for over 100 million Americans. Sounds good. But if you're educated; if you know the statistics; if you pay attention you will know that the bottom 50% of income earners in this country pay only about 3% of all individual income taxes collected by the federal government. When you get to the bottom 40% that percentage figures drops to zero. Now just what is our current population figure? Around 300 million or so? That would bean that about 120 million Americans have no federal income tax liability at all. Yet there's Obama saying that McCain is offering no tax relief to these people. Relief from what?

There was another line in Obama's speech that is very typical of far-left politicians. Obama seems to feel those with higher incomes in this country have not earned their way. Whatever the wealthy have was given to them, not earned. So Obama tells the adoring crowd that Republicans want to "Give more and more to those with the most, and hope that prosperity will trickle down to the rest." As I said, this is a standard Democrat theme. Wealthy people didn't earn what they have, it was given to them. And since it was given to them, there's nothing really all that wrong with taking more and more of it away from them ... just to even things out a bit. Remember, please, that Obama flat-out said that he wants to raise taxes on the rich not to bring in increased government revenues, but to make things more "fair." "

[Nbadan]

Quoting Neil Boortz earns you the Putz of the Month award.....really dude...

[Wild Cobra]

I always wondered who those 17% were...never met one until now.

Assuming 83% say we are going the wrong direction, count me as one of them That doesn't bean I think we need it to turn left. I think we've been taking left turns too long, and need to CHANGE to the right for once!

[Wild Cobra]

Evidently, you are not in the 95% of Americans that are seeing their taxes decrease under Obama.....
Well, I'm absolutely certain that under Obama, I will see a tax increase out of my paycheck, and I'm not in that 5% he claims otherwise. I simply now pay at the single rate with no dependants.

[George Gervin's Afro]

:(
For people who bitch about wanting specifics so much, they have nothing to say when asked point blank things like how much an Obama tax plan will cost them or how much unlimited drilling in the US would lower gas prices.

But Hannty tells me that he's going to raise taxes on all Americans???

[ChumpDumper]

Well, I'm absolutely certain that under Obama, I will see a tax increase out of my paycheckHow much?

[FromWayDowntown]

When you get to the bottom 40% that percentage figures drops to zero. Now just what is our current population figure? Around 300 million or so? That would bean that about 120 million Americans have no federal income tax liability at all. Yet there's Obama saying that McCain is offering no tax relief to these people. Relief from what?

So, Boortz is including children and such in his assessment of those who have no tax liability? It's really awesome to scare up fear for your taxation arguments by claiming that 120,000,000 aren't paying much in taxes; but it's disingenuous to take a concern about the extent to which low wage earners contribute to the federal coffers, apply figures that are clearly apples and oranges, and use the result to cement that fear.

[Wild Cobra]

For people who bitch about wanting specifics so much, they have nothing to say when asked point blank things like how much an Obama tax plan will cost them or how much unlimited drilling in the US would lower gas prices.

I have only heard talk, no specific plan by Obama. Where are the details, plus it must get past congress. He's not going to be a dictator, at least not yet.

Now for oil prices, any notable increase in world supply will decrease the prices. ANWR and the outer contental shelves are each notable. They will decrease prices far more than the democrats wanting to use the stratigic reserves.

We know that if we maintain a democrat congress after the November elections that the federal marginal tax rates most families make all go up by an additional 3%. The 25% goes to 28% and the 28% goes to 31%. Compared on the 2008 tax tables, the following will happen for a family of 4:

Income___________Now_______After the Bush Tax Cuts expire
30,000.00_________0.00_________65.00
31,000.00_________0.00________215.00
32,000.00_________0.00________365.00
33,000.00_________0.00________515.00
34,000.00_________0.00________665.00
35,000.00_________0.00________815.00
36,000.00_________0.00________965.00
37,000.00_________0.00______1,115.00
38,000.00_________0.00______1,265.00
39,000.00_________0.00______1,415.00
40,000.00_________0.00______1,565.00
41,000.00_________0.00______1,715.00
42,000.00________62.50______1,865.00
43,000.00_______212.50______2,015.00
44,000.00_______362.50______2,165.00
45,000.00_______512.50______2,315.00
46,000.00_______662.50______2,465.00
47,000.00_______812.50______2,615.00
48,000.00_______962.50______2,765.00
49,000.00_____1,112.50______2,915.00
50,000.00_____1,262.50______3,065.00
51,000.00_____1,412.50______3,215.00
52,000.00_____1,562.50______3,365.00
53,000.00_____1,712.50______3,515.00
54,000.00_____1,862.50______3,665.00
55,000.00_____2,012.50______3,815.00
56,000.00_____2,162.50______3,965.00
57,000.00_____2,312.50______4,115.00
58,000.00_____2,462.50______4,265.00
59,000.00_____2,612.50______4,415.00
60,000.00_____2,762.50______4,565.00
61,000.00_____2,912.50______4,715.00
62,000.00_____3,062.50______4,865.00
63,000.00_____3,212.50______5,015.00
64,000.00_____3,362.50______5,165.00
65,000.00_____3,512.50______5,315.00
66,000.00_____3,662.50______5,465.00
67,000.00_____3,812.50______5,615.00
68,000.00_____3,962.50______5,765.00
69,000.00_____4,112.50______5,915.00
70,000.00_____4,262.50______6,065.00
71,000.00_____4,412.50______6,215.00
72,000.00_____4,562.50______6,365.00
73,000.00_____4,712.50______6,515.00
74,000.00_____4,862.50______6,665.00
75,000.00_____5,012.50______6,815.00
76,000.00_____5,162.50______6,965.00
77,000.00_____5,312.50______7,115.00
78,000.00_____5,462.50______7,356.00
79,000.00_____5,612.50______7,636.00
80,000.00_____5,762.50______7,916.00
81,000.00_____5,912.50______8,196.00
82,000.00_____6,062.50______8,476.00
83,000.00_____6,212.50______8,756.00
84,000.00_____6,362.50______9,036.00
85,000.00_____6,512.50______9,316.00
86,000.00_____6,662.50______9,596.00
87,000.00_____6,812.50______9,876.00
88,000.00_____6,962.50_____10,156.00
89,000.00_____7,212.50_____10,436.00
90,000.00_____7,462.50_____10,716.00
91,000.00_____7,712.50_____10,996.00
92,000.00_____7,962.50_____11,276.00
93,000.00_____8,212.50_____11,556.00
94,000.00_____8,462.50_____11,836.00
95,000.00_____8,712.50_____12,116.00
96,000.00_____8,962.50_____12,396.00
97,000.00_____9,212.50_____12,676.00
98,000.00_____9,462.50_____12,956.00
99,000.00_____9,712.50_____13,236.00
100,000.00_____9,962.50_____13,516.00

[Wild Cobra]

Fits into Neil Boortz's theory of democratic supremacy. Get 50 percent plus 1 of the people not to pay taxes and have them on your side to vote to seize the money from other 49 percent. It is stealing by majority vote. :ihit

I've been saying that for years. It's the reason there are so many demonrats getting elected who promise more freebies.

[Wild Cobra]

How much?
It's hard to say. My bet is I will end up paying at least another $2,000 a year.

[Wild Cobra]

Here how a single person with no additional deductions pay federal income tax for 2008, and 2008 if there was no Bush Tax Cuts:

2008 Income________2008 Tax_______2008 Tax w/out the tax cuts
__$5,000.00__________$0.00__________$0.00
__$6,000.00__________$0.00__________$0.00
__$7,000.00__________$0.00__________$0.00
__$8,000.00__________$0.00__________$0.00
__$9,000.00_________$55.00_________$82.50
_$10,000.00________$155.00________$232.50
_$11,000.00________$255.00________$382.50
_$12,000.00________$355.00________$532.50
_$13,000.00________$455.00________$682.50
_$14,000.00________$555.00________$832.50
_$15,000.00________$655.00________$982.50
_$16,000.00________$755.00______$1,132.50
_$17,000.00________$881.25______$1,282.50
_$18,000.00______$1,031.25______$1,432.50
_$19,000.00______$1,181.25______$1,582.50
_$20,000.00______$1,331.25______$1,732.50
_$21,000.00______$1,481.25______$1,882.50
_$22,000.00______$1,631.25______$2,032.50
_$23,000.00______$1,781.25______$2,182.50
_$24,000.00______$1,931.25______$2,332.50
_$25,000.00______$2,081.25______$2,482.50
_$26,000.00______$2,231.25______$2,632.50
_$27,000.00______$2,381.25______$2,782.50
_$28,000.00______$2,531.25______$2,932.50
_$29,000.00______$2,681.25______$3,082.50
_$30,000.00______$2,831.25______$3,232.50
_$31,000.00______$2,981.25______$3,382.50
_$32,000.00______$3,131.25______$3,532.50
_$33,000.00______$3,281.25______$3,682.50
_$34,000.00______$3,431.25______$3,832.50
_$35,000.00______$3,581.25______$3,982.50
_$36,000.00______$3,731.25______$4,132.50
_$37,000.00______$3,881.25______$4,282.50
_$38,000.00______$4,031.25______$4,432.50
_$39,000.00______$4,181.25______$4,582.50
_$40,000.00______$4,331.25______$4,732.50
_$41,000.00______$4,481.25______$4,882.50
_$42,000.00______$4,731.25______$4,762.50
_$43,000.00______$4,981.25______$5,042.50
_$44,000.00______$5,231.25______$5,322.50
_$45,000.00______$5,481.25______$5,602.50
_$46,000.00______$5,731.25______$5,882.50
_$47,000.00______$5,981.25______$6,162.50
_$48,000.00______$6,231.25______$6,442.50
_$49,000.00______$6,481.25______$6,722.50
_$50,000.00______$6,731.25______$7,002.50
_$51,000.00______$6,981.25______$7,282.50
_$52,000.00______$7,231.25______$7,562.50
_$53,000.00______$7,481.25______$7,842.50
_$54,000.00______$7,731.25______$8,122.50
_$55,000.00______$7,981.25______$8,402.50
_$56,000.00______$8,231.25______$8,682.50
_$57,000.00______$8,481.25______$8,962.50
_$58,000.00______$8,731.25______$9,242.50
_$59,000.00______$8,981.25______$9,522.50
_$60,000.00______$9,231.25______$9,802.50
_$61,000.00______$9,481.25_____$10,082.50
_$62,000.00______$9,731.25_____$10,362.50
_$63,000.00______$9,981.25_____$10,642.50
_$64,000.00_____$10,231.25_____$10,922.50
_$65,000.00_____$10,481.25_____$11,202.50
_$66,000.00_____$10,731.25_____$11,482.50
_$67,000.00_____$10,981.25_____$11,762.50
_$68,000.00_____$11,231.25_____$12,042.50
_$69,000.00_____$11,481.25_____$12,322.50
_$70,000.00_____$11,731.25_____$12,602.50
_$71,000.00_____$11,981.25_____$12,882.50
_$72,000.00_____$12,231.25_____$13,162.50
_$73,000.00_____$12,481.25_____$13,442.50
_$74,000.00_____$12,731.25_____$13,722.50
_$75,000.00_____$12,981.25_____$14,002.50
_$76,000.00_____$13,231.25_____$14,282.50
_$77,000.00_____$13,481.25_____$14,562.50
_$78,000.00_____$13,731.25_____$14,842.50
_$79,000.00_____$13,981.25_____$15,122.50
_$80,000.00_____$14,231.25_____$15,402.50
_$81,000.00_____$14,481.25_____$15,682.50
_$82,000.00_____$14,731.25_____$15,962.50
_$83,000.00_____$14,981.25_____$16,242.50
_$84,000.00_____$15,231.25_____$16,522.50
_$85,000.00_____$15,481.25_____$16,802.50
_$86,000.00_____$15,731.25_____$17,082.50
_$87,000.00_____$15,981.25_____$17,362.50
_$88,000.00_____$16,252.25_____$18,063.50
_$89,000.00_____$16,532.25_____$18,373.50
_$90,000.00_____$16,812.25_____$18,683.50
_$91,000.00_____$17,092.25_____$18,993.50
_$92,000.00_____$17,372.25_____$19,303.50
_$93,000.00_____$17,652.25_____$19,613.50
_$94,000.00_____$17,932.25_____$19,923.50
_$95,000.00_____$18,212.25_____$20,233.50
_$96,000.00_____$18,492.25_____$20,543.50
_$97,000.00______$18,772.25______$20,853.50
_$98,000.00______$19,052.25______$21,163.50
_$99,000.00______$19,332.25______$21,473.50
$100,000.00______$19,612.25______$21,783.50

[ChumpDumper]

I have only heard talk, no specific plan by Obama.So you have no specific amount of money you will have to pay under Obama.


Now for oil prices, any notable increase in world supply will decrease the prices. ANWR and the outer contental shelves are each notable.How notable will the decrease be at the pump?

[Wild Cobra]

So you have no specific amount of money you will have to pay under Obama.

How notable will the decrease be at the pump?

I'm not going to put the time in to try to figure a rough guess out.

Consider this however. If USA companies tap on USA soil, wouldn't we not only benifit from almost no decrease to a big increase at the pump prices, but from the US wages and billions of extra taxes collected on the USA oil profits?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not going to put the time in to try to figure a rough guess out.it's funny that it's such a huge talking point but no one can come up with a number.


Consider this however. If USA companies tap on USA soil, wouldn't we not only benifit from almost no decrease to a big increase at the pump prices, but from the US wages and billions of extra taxes collected on the USA oil profits?That's assuming USA companies get the leases.

I'm not saying there definitely won't any benefit from drilling, I'm just curious why no one who could do this kind of thing has bothered to put a number to it.

[Anti.Hero]

I always wondered who those 17% were...never met one until now.

The ones that keep the country moving.

[JoeChalupa]

I keep the country moving by doing my part.

[Mr. Body]

I get a kick out of the average joe jackholes getting rabid defending people making more money than they'll ever see.

[JoeChalupa]

I have friends and family so I'm already rich. For me, life has never been and never will be about the Benjamins.

[PixelPusher]

The ones that keep the country moving.

:lmao Yeah, all of the Republicans, Democrats, Independents, etc. who make up the 83% who think the U.S. is headed in the wrong direction are all sitting at home, rocking back in forth in despair while you and Murphy keep this county from grinding to a halt.

You're so fucking retarded.

[DarkReign]

I am so fucking sick and tired of hearing rich people bitch about taxes.

Come the fuck on....

Oh yeah, youre struggling paying $13k in taxes (how much does one have to make in a given year to pay that much?). So are your kids too, right? My family is set for generations, regardless of some meaningless income tax changes. Now, if you wanted to discuss tax-code changes to inheritance, death, up the maximum monetary givings to some figure more than $10k, capital gains, etc, Im all ears.

But income tax?! Income tax?! First, there shouldnt even be an income tax, period. For anyone.....ever.

(edited: nevermind)