Large Hadron Collider fires up tomorrow

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-0&fp=48c7b3e4ffc91e3f&ei=DC7HSNPtJpvI8ATKm6zcDA&url=http%3A//www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0%2C21985%2C24323807-661%2C00.html&cid=1244430256&usg=AFQjCNFirrAsxm0s2nBsgQUiV5qRl4216A

It's been nice knowing everyone :depressed

[Spurminator]

If this happens while I'm in an airplane do I have a slim chance of survival?

[baseline bum]

You misspelled hard-on.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

The whole "black hole" end of the world bullshit has already been debunked. People who believe the world is going to end tomorrow are the same idiots that believed on the Y2K bullshit.

[Albert Einstein]

Well im already dead so..

[ShoogarBear]

You misspelled hard-on.

Really, I think the same thing every time I see that. :lol

[balli]

I for one hope it works. Particle physics is an enormously compelling field.

[balli]

Well im already dead so..

Then shouldn't you be Albert Einstein's Ghost?

[CuckingFunt]

You misspelled hard-on.

Hard-on Collider?

Kinda gay, don't you think?

Kinda really gay...

[Brutalis]

Oh snap! What time is it there?!

[ShoogarBear]

I for one hope it works. Particle physics is an enormously compelling field.
It certainly has its attractions.

[ShoogarBear]

Well im already dead so..

This is all your fault, anyway.

[balli]

It certainly has its attractions.

:lol

[Brutalis]

Well I am a little concerned. If they don't know what it's going to do how can they deny any theories of what might happen to begin with?

So let's waste 9.3 billion just to take a crack at figuring out the big bang that never even happened to begin with? Hokay.

[ShoogarBear]

Let me guess, you're not a big fan of the Space program?

[1369]

Well, they're only testing the collider today (only one beam in one direction), so no black holes today.

Besides, the same folks from the future who traveled back in time to make sure the SCSC was killed will come back again to save humanity from itself.

Hope they bring their flying cars with them this time.

[Trainwreck2100]

Well, they're only testing the collider today (only one beam in one direction), so no black holes today.

Besides, the same folks from the future who traveled back in time to make sure the SCSC was killed will come back again to save humanity from itself.

Hope they bring their flying cars with them this time.

The Standing coucil of scottish chiefs are dead?

[IronMexican]

I'm going to Mexico if this is true.

[MrChug]

I'm raping the twin blonde teens next door...fuck it. lol

[mrsmaalox]

They'll flip the switch only; first collision won't occur for about a month.

[tlongII]

I thought this thread was about sword fighting...

[Solid D]

Be careful how you respond to this thread. It's clearly a trap to see how intelligent of a poster you are and if you will misread the word Hadron.

[MrChug]

Be careful how you respond to this thread. It's clearly a trap to see how intelligent of a poster you are and if you will misread the word Hadron.

Do I still get to do the twins?? :lmao

Actually, they're pretty flirty little minxes...I don't think I'd have to put up much of a fight. In fact, I'm double bolting my doors.

[Slydragon]

Black Hole + T park = plugged, Whats the issue?

[Obstructed_View]

Well, they're only testing the collider today (only one beam in one direction), so no black holes today.

Besides, the same folks from the future who traveled back in time to make sure the SCSC was killed will come back again to save humanity from itself.

Hope they bring their flying cars with them this time.

Ann Richards traveled back in time??

[Brutalis]

Let me guess, you're not a big fan of the Space program?

No, I am. I love that stuff. But I just don't go for evolution or the big bang and all that stupid shit. For me to sit around and try to believe any human knows for sure how we got here is completely retarded.

[ShoogarBear]

Do you believe in nuclear power, or is that more stupid shit?

Are you afraid they might find some of the things they're looking for?

[Brutalis]

I've been watching the History Channel and they have been talking about CERN or w/e it is. Apparently we wouldn't have the internet or cell phones without it, so they say.

[Brutalis]

Do you believe in nuclear power, or is that more stupid shit?

Are you afraid they might find some of the things they're looking for?

No.
No.

Honestly think humans are going to surely know how we got here and came to be? Nah-uh.

[balli]

This thing rules, if for no other reason it is the beginning of The Grid era:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3689881.ece

Coming soon: superfast internet
Jonathan Leake, Science Editor

THE internet could soon be made obsolete. The scientists who pioneered it have now built a lightning-fast replacement capable of downloading entire feature films within seconds.

At speeds about 10,000 times faster than a typical broadband connection, “the grid” will be able to send the entire Rolling Stones back catalogue from Britain to Japan in less than two seconds.

The latest spin-off from Cern, the particle physics centre that created the web, the grid could also provide the kind of power needed to transmit holographic images; allow instant online gaming with hundreds of thousands of players; and offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call.

David Britton, professor of physics at Glasgow University and a leading figure in the grid project, believes grid technologies could “revolutionise” society. “With this kind of computing power, future generations will have the ability to collaborate and communicate in ways older people like me cannot even imagine,” he said.

The power of the grid will become apparent this summer after what scientists at Cern have termed their “red button” day - the switching-on of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the new particle accelerator built to probe the origin of the universe. The grid will be activated at the same time to capture the data it generates.

Cern, based near Geneva, started the grid computing project seven years ago when researchers realised the LHC would generate annual data equivalent to 56m CDs - enough to make a stack 40 miles high.

This meant that scientists at Cern - where Sir Tim Berners-Lee invented the web in 1989 - would no longer be able to use his creation for fear of causing a global collapse.

This is because the internet has evolved by linking together a hotchpotch of cables and routing equipment, much of which was originally designed for telephone calls and therefore lacks the capacity for high-speed data transmission.

By contrast, the grid has been built with dedicated fibre optic cables and modern routing centres, meaning there are no outdated components to slow the deluge of data. The 55,000 servers already installed are expected to rise to 200,000 within the next two years.

Professor Tony Doyle, technical director of the grid project, said: “We need so much processing power, there would even be an issue about getting enough electricity to run the computers if they were all at Cern. The only answer was a new network powerful enough to send the data instantly to research centres in other countries.”

That network, in effect a parallel internet, is now built, using fibre optic cables that run from Cern to 11 centres in the United States, Canada, the Far East, Europe and around the world.

One terminates at the Rutherford Appleton laboratory at Harwell in Oxfordshire.

From each centre, further connections radiate out to a host of other research institutions using existing high-speed academic networks.

It means Britain alone has 8,000 servers on the grid system – so that any student or academic will theoretically be able to hook up to the grid rather than the internet from this autumn.

Ian Bird, project leader for Cern’s high-speed computing project, said grid technology could make the internet so fast that people would stop using desktop computers to store information and entrust it all to the internet.

“It will lead to what’s known as cloud computing, where people keep all their information online and access it from anywhere,” he said.

Computers on the grid can also transmit data at lightning speed. This will allow researchers facing heavy processing tasks to call on the assistance of thousands of other computers around the world. The aim is to eliminate the dreaded “frozen screen” experienced by internet users who ask their machine to handle too much information.

The real goal of the grid is, however, to work with the LHC in tracking down nature’s most elusive particle, the Higgs boson. Predicted in theory but never yet found, the Higgs is supposed to be what gives matter mass.

The LHC has been designed to hunt out this particle - but even at optimum performance it will generate only a few thousand of the particles a year. Analysing the mountain of data will be such a large task that it will keep even the grid’s huge capacity busy for years to come.

Although the grid itself is unlikely to be directly available to domestic internet users, many telecoms providers and businesses are already introducing its pioneering technologies. One of the most potent is so-called dynamic switching, which creates a dedicated channel for internet users trying to download large volumes of data such as films. In theory this would give a standard desktop computer the ability to download a movie in five seconds rather than the current three hours or so.

Additionally, the grid is being made available to dozens of other academic researchers including astronomers and molecular biologists.

It has already been used to help design new drugs against malaria, the mosquito-borne disease that kills 1m people worldwide each year. Researchers used the grid to analyse 140m compounds - a task that would have taken a standard internet-linked PC 420 years.

“Projects like the grid will bring huge changes in business and society as well as science,” Doyle said.

“Holographic video conferencing is not that far away. Online gaming could evolve to include many thousands of people, and social networking could become the main way we communicate.

“The history of the internet shows you cannot predict its real impacts but we know they will be huge.”

[Brutalis]

This thing rules, if for no other reason it is the beginning of The Grid era:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3689881.ece

So ze internets will come from one place, then to get bombed, and we all be forced to go into ze sunlight! Noooos!

[Brutalis]

Oh and btw I just registered the domain, http://grid.spurstalk.com/ and I'm not selling.

[balli]

:lol

[Slomo]

Oh and btw I just registered the domain, http://grid.spurstalk.com/ and I'm not selling.


That's not a domain. Spurstalk.com is a domain - and it's not for sale.

[Slomo]

j50ZssEojtM


I hope they're better at physics :lol

[MaNuMaNiAc]

:lol @ Google


http://www.google.com/logos/lhc.gif

[Slomo]

:lol @ Google

:tu :lol

[Twisted_Dawg]

The sad thing----The US and the State of Texas could have had the world's first large Super Collider. Construction of a super collider was actually started in North Texas in the 1980's but was cancelled due to poor management, cost overruns and politics. The cost had escalated from $4 billion to +$14 billion. Because of this we abdicated leadership in this field to the Europeans. Yet today we can fund $100 billion to mortgage companies and spnd billions more fighting stoneage civilizations half the world away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider

[Slomo]

Smooth start for 'Big Bang' machine

PA
Wednesday, 10 September 2008


Scientists today launched the "Big Bang experiment" - an attempt to recreate the start of the universe using the biggest and most complex machine yet built.
The £5bn Large Hadron Collider was powered up without a hitch at Cern, the European nuclear research organisation in Geneva.
After a tense first hour researchers announced they had achieved "full beam", meaning that a stream of sub-atomic particles was racing round the LHC's 27 kilometre-long circular tunnel at just under the speed of light. The next stage will be to fire a beam in the opposite direction.
The LHC, which took two decades to construct, is the largest particle accelerator the world has seen.
It is designed to smash protons - one of the building blocks of matter - into each other with energies up to seven times greater than any achieved before.
In the flashes from the collisions, scientists expect to reproduce conditions that existed during the first billionth of a second after the Big Bang at the birth of the universe.
No one knows precisely what will come tumbling out of the primordial soup of disintegrating protons.
But the scientists have dismissed suggestions that the experiment could somehow cause the end of the world.
The LHC could help scientists explain mass, gravity, mysterious "dark matter" and why the universe looks the way it does.
It could also produce the first evidence of extra spatial dimensions and even create mini-black holes that blink in and out of existence in a fraction of a second.
The LHC, housed in the 27km (17 mile) tunnel under 100m of rock, straddles the borders of Switzerland and France between Lake Geneva and the Jura mountains.

Excitement builds for Cern scientists

"Turning on" the machine was a lot more complex than flicking a switch.
Atoms of hydrogen housed in a bottle no bigger than a fire extinguisher were first stripped of their electrons to reveal naked protons.
These particles then had to be fired through a succession of smaller accelerators before they were travelling at sufficient speed to be injected into the LHC.
It was a process that required unimaginable levels of precision with timing accurate to within a fraction of a nanosecond.
The particles travel through a ring-shaped tunnel supercooled to just 1.9 degrees above absolute zero (minus 271C), the lowest temperature allowed by nature.
Reaching velocities of 99.99 per cent of the speed of light, each beam will pack as much energy as a Eurostar train travelling at 150km per hour.
The protons will be brought together in four huge "detectors" placed along the ring. Each detector is like a giant microscope, designed to probe deeper into the heart of matter than has been possible before.
Concerns have been voiced, in particular by German chemist Professor Otto Rossler, that black holes created by the LHC will grow uncontrollably and "eat the planet from the inside".
But those involved in the project insist they have reviewed all the evidence and concluded that it poses no risk to the universe.
Particle physicist Dr James Gillies, a spokesman for the LHC, said: "We have received a lot of worried calls from people about it.
"There's nothing to worry about, the LHC is absolutely safe because we have observed nature doing the same things the LHC will do.
"Protons regularly collide in the earth's upper atmosphere without creating black holes."
The first particle collisions are likely to take place within a few weeks.
In some cases, teams of more than 2,000 collaborating scientists will be sifting and analysing data from the machine.
Most will not be at the LHC's operating base at Cern.
A revolutionary computer network called the "Grid" - the next step beyond the World Wide Web - will make it possible for scientists all over the world to share huge amounts of processing power and carry out much of the work on their PCs.
The cost of the LHC is mainly shared by Cern's 20 European member states, which include Britain. Six "observer" nations, including the US, Russia and Japan, make significant contributions.
Cern estimates the total cost of the project to be 10 billion Swiss francs, or £5bn. The material cost alone is put at £2.6bn.
Britain's direct contribution to the LHC each year is £34m.
The eyes of the world were on LHC project leader Dr Lyndon Evans, from Aberdare in south Wales, in the run-up to the "switch-on".
Looking relaxed in a short-sleeved shirt and jeans, Dr Evans counted down the last few seconds before the first beam of protons was put into the LHC.
"Five, four, three, two, one, zero - nothing," he joked before a blip appeared on a computer monitor signalling that the long years of hard work had paid off and the machine was working.
Dr Evans, whose father was a coalminer, said: "This is really the biggest and most complex scientific project ever undertaken, and you cannot do a thing like this without engineers and applied scientists of very top quality."
Skills Secretary John Denham hailed the launch of the LHC today as an "extraordinary moment".
Noting that the project had taken two decades to come to fruition, he joked: "My lab technique used to be bad but I used to get set up quicker than that."
Mr Denham said theoretical research like this often produced practical benefits but said this was not the only concern of the Government in providing funding.
He said: "We do this fundamentally because we need to know. We need to know as human beings because we have a curiosity, an intellectual excitement."
Professor Jordan Nash, from Imperial College London, is working on one of the LHC's four experiments.
His team will help to analyse data provided by the 12,500-tonne CMS (Compact Muon Solenoid) detector, which is designed to look for new physics in any form.
He said: "It's about testing theories and trying to pick which one of them is right.
"Theorists without data can't tell us which is the right answer."
Prof Nash said their discoveries could clinch Nobel Prizes for British physicists Professors Stephen Hawking and Peter Higgs if they confirm their theories.
But he added: "It's not about prizes. All of us do it out of fundamental curiosity about how the universe works.
"We have done all the easy stuff over the last 2,000 years. To push further takes a hugely complex apparatus."
Prof Nash said "big discoveries" could come out of the LHC over the next year or two - although he stressed that they might be buried in the huge amount of data the machine will produce.
"What we are going to learn is what nature consists of, not what we think it consists of - we may be barking up totally the wrong tree," he said.
"Today is the start. It means that we have successfully completed the preparations. Now we actually get to start harvesting the data."
Britain has contributed more than £500m to the construction of the LHC over the past 20 years.
Dr Andrew Taylor, director of facilities at the Science and Technology Facilities Council, which supplies the UK's funding for Cern, said the machine would enable scientists to explore the "fabric of the universe".
He said he would "bet his house" that the LHC would discover the particle proposed by Prof Higgs - dubbed the "God Particle" - which is thought to explain how matter acquires mass.
Dr Taylor said British scientists helped to conceive and construct the massive machine - and would be heavily involved in the mammoth collaborative task of interpreting the data.
"The UK punches above its weight at an amazing level," he said. "Our theorists have been responsible for shaping the direction of the LHC."











http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/smooth-start-for-big-bang-machine-924755.html

[BacktoBasics]

The only thing that actually sounds fishy to me is the constant running out of

"its the same thing that happens in nature every day"

Then why did you have to spend billions to study it. Go outside.

[E20]

The only thing that actually sounds fishy to me is the constant running out of

"its the same thing that happens in nature every day"

Then why did you have to spend billions to study it. Go outside.

Yeah I don't think lone H+ atoms are flying at near the speed of light naturally every day, in a cold vacuum..........even in space. Where would the energy required come from?

[Mark in Austin]

No, I am. I love that stuff. But I just don't go for evolution or the big bang and all that stupid shit. For me to sit around and try to believe any human knows for sure how we got here is completely retarded.

Is it also completely retarded for humanity to want to figure out where we came from or how we got here? If you believe in God, surely it makes sense that God gave us brains for us to use to figure shit out. You know... experiments and stuff like that.

[Mister Sinister]

Everyone still exist?

[Trainwreck2100]

Everyone still exist?

Yes or maybe it's no.

[Brutalis]

Is it also completely retarded for humanity to want to figure out where we came from or how we got here? If you believe in God, surely it makes sense that God gave us brains for us to use to figure shit out. You know... experiments and stuff like that.

I don't believe in the big bang.

And if someone believes in God they know how they got here.

[AA2120]

haha you said hard on.....

[ShoogarBear]

Everyone still exist?

Yeah, but we all think it's 2008 and have no consciousness of the reality of 2022.

[Wild Cobra]

Everyone still exist?
Of course. Why wouldn't we?

All they did today was "tread" it. Shoot a bean through it and adjust the control magnets. The real experiments don't start till next month! Then they plauy with the God Particle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson):


The Higgs boson or BEH Mechanism, popularised as the "God Particle", is a hypothetical massive scalar elementary particle predicted to exist by the Standard Model of particle physics; and is the only Standard Model particle not yet observed. An experimental observation of it would help to explain how otherwise massless elementary particles cause matter to have mass. More specifically, the Higgs boson would explain the difference between the massless photon and the relatively massive W and Z bosons. Elementary particle masses, and the differences between electromagnetism (caused by the photon) and the weak force (caused by the W and Z bosons), are critical to many aspects of the structure of microscopic (and hence macroscopic) matter; thus, if it exists, the Higgs boson is an integral and pervasive component of the material world.

[IronMexican]

I re-read the title and thought I saw hard on

[balli]

I re-read the title and thought I saw hard on

Welcome to the club, member #3,154,768.

[jaffies]

live webcam

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

[Slomo]

live webcam

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

:D:tu

[E20]

Aztecs say the end of the world will be at 2012 or something like that, don't know the full details of it.

This thing is supposed to start running in full power 2-3 years. Around 2012. Coincendence? I think not.

Just to put icing on the cake, my credit card EXPIRES in 2012.

Everyone start making their shelters.


LOL

[ShoogarBear]

Just to put icing on the cake, my credit card EXPIRES in 2012.


Max out that bitch.

[T Park]

Aztecs say the end of the world will be at 2012 or something like that, don't know the full details of it.

This thing is supposed to start running in full power 2-3 years. Around 2012. Coincendence? I think not.

Just to put icing on the cake, my credit card EXPIRES in 2012.

Everyone start making their shelters.


LOL


Fucking Aztecs.

[balli]

Mayans.

[E20]

Yeh my bad lol how stupid of me. It's the mayans

http://www.apocalypse-soon.com/mayan_aztec_prophecies.htm

NOtradums also predicted the worlds end in 2012!!!

[Wild Cobra]

Mayans.

And it's the winter solstice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solstice). On top of that, the time it occurs is 11:11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11:11_(numerology))!

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/solstice.jpg

[jaffies]

j50ZssEojtM

[balli]

Actually IIRC the Mayans didn't predict the end of the world would come in 2012. I read a whole thing on it that explained it without a bunch of cult-mythology and basically what it comes down to is that 2012 is the end of their calender- or great cycle, but that it just starts over again. It has more to do with the beginning of a new cycle or new epoch than it does the end of the world.

(Caveat: these are the ramblings of marijuana riddled brain, desperate to convey knowledge based upon a trivial reading that took place several years ago)

[CuckingFunt]

(Caveat: these are the ramblings of marijuana riddled brain, desperate to convey knowledge based upon a trivial reading that took place several years ago)

If it's any consolation, I seem to recall reading something similar and my brain is completely free of marijuana riddling.

[T Park]

Actually IIRC the Mayans didn't predict the end of the world would come in 2012. I read a whole thing on it that explained it without a bunch of cult-mythology and basically what it comes down to is that 2012 is the end of their calender- or great cycle, but that it just starts over again. It has more to do with the beginning of a new cycle or new epoch than it does the end of the world.

(Caveat: these are the ramblings of marijuana riddled brain, desperate to convey knowledge based upon a trivial reading that took place several years ago)


For idiots like me, what does that mean.

That the calender essentially just flips over and nothings happening?

Death and talk of the apocolypse depresses me, I'm hoping nothing happens :lol

[balli]

I'm not sure what exactly they said will happen, but apparently the end of these "cycles" is something the Mayans celebrated, rather than feared.

The base of all the predictions is the end of the Maya calendar in 2012, which is supposed to mean the end of the world or a period of radical changes. In fact, the end of the Maya calendar is known as the end of the Great Cycle. People find it easy to believe in that theory because Maya civilization is known for advanced writing, mathematics and astronomy. It can seem like they know what they’re talking about, but the truth is that the end of the Great Cycle is not the end of the world, it’s in fact a great celebration for the Mayas:

For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle” says Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies in Crystal River, Fla. To render Dec. 21, 2012, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she says, is “a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in.”

However, what's interesting (and slightly worrying) is that, as Cobra pointed out, this will occur on the winter solstice, but to take it one step further, on that date our sun will be in perfect alignment with the galactic equator (equator based on the midline of the center of the galaxy) for the first time in 26,000 years. I'm hoping nothing happens too.


If it's any consolation, I seem to recall reading something similar and my brain is completely free of marijuana riddling.
Take that, short-term memory studies. :smokin

[E20]

yeah.................start stocking up on that lead.

[Fernando TD21]

live webcam

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

:lol

[phyzik]

Did anyone ever wonder if the Mayan calander guy just decided to say "fuck it, if you want more days on the calander, get someone else to do it, 2012 is fucking long enough!"

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

:lmao

[balli]

j50ZssEojtM

:danceclub

[phyzik]

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

:lmao

haha, thats fucking awesome! :rollin

[E20]

Death by a blackhole isn't painful, so I wouldn't mind it.

[Mister Sinister]

Maybe when they fire it up for real, we'll all get bitchin'-ass superpowers! I call reality warping!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

:lmao

:lmao

[smeagol]

NOtradums also predicted the worlds end in 2012!!!

He did?

[polandprzem]

This hard-on must be on steroids or something ...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

my credit card




ROFLORFLROFLFLOFLFLFLLFLF :rollin

This will forever be a spurstalk classic.

:smchode:

[Cant_Be_Faded]

If it's any consolation, I seem to recall reading something similar and my brain is completely free of marijuana riddling.

sellout narc

[E20]

ROFLORFLROFLFLOFLFLFLLFLF :rollin

This will forever be a spurstalk classic.

:smchode:

It's actually a check card for my bank account, but you can use it as a credit card. So it's not actually a credit card...........:depressed

[The Reckoning]

leave it to the french to destroy the world...

[The Reckoning]

Death by a blackhole isn't painful, so I wouldn't mind it.

better than nuclear fallout

[Slydragon]

live webcam

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

:lol

[Wild Cobra]

Death by a blackhole isn't painful, so I wouldn't mind it.
Are you sure?

Seems to me that because of the gravity/time distortions involved at the event horizon, you would be pulled for infinity before dying.

[Wild Cobra]

Actually IIRC the Mayans didn't predict the end of the world would come in 2012. I read a whole thing on it that explained it without a bunch of cult-mythology and basically what it comes down to is that 2012 is the end of their calender- or great cycle, but that it just starts over again. It has more to do with the beginning of a new cycle or new epoch than it does the end of the world.

(Caveat: these are the ramblings of marijuana riddled brain, desperate to convey knowledge based upon a trivial reading that took place several years ago)
This is the most logical thinking because of the way the Mayan calender works. It is several sets of cycles. Each cycle within repeats. Why not the greater cycle? The interesting thing is tha accuracy of the calender vs. celestial cycles. There had to be lost intelligence we don't have today.

[balli]

Are you sure?
Seems to me that because of the gravity/time distortions involved at the event horizon, you would be pulled for infinity before dying.
http://www.slate.com/id/2199664/

What Happens if You Fall Into a Black Hole?
The world's largest scientific instrument, the Large Hadron Collider, was switched on in Switzerland on Wednesday. A few people worried that the LHC would cause the world to be swallowed up by a black hole, especially when it starts to operate at full force in the spring. What would happen if you fell into a black hole?

Your body would be shredded apart into the smallest possible pieces. Neil deGrasse Tyson, director of the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History, who wrote the definitive account Death by Black Hole, imagined the experience as "the most spectacular way to die in space."

A black hole is a place where the force of gravity is so powerful that you would need to be traveling at a speed faster than the speed of light to escape its pull. Since nothing in the universe is faster than the speed of light, nothing that falls into a black hole can ever escape. The border at which gravity becomes strong enough to create that phenomenon is known as the "event horizon"; it marks the outer boundary of the black hole. (Until the 1940s, some scientists believed that matter crusted up on the event horizon and didn't fall in.)

Closer to the center, gravity is even stronger. If you were caught by the pull of a black hole, you would be sent into free fall toward its center. The pulling force would increase as you moved toward the center, creating what's called a "tidal force" on your body. That is to say, the gravity acting on your head would be much stronger than the gravity acting on your toes (assuming you were falling head-first). That would make your head accelerate faster than your toes; the difference would stretch your body until it snapped apart, first at its weakest point and then disintegrating rapidly from there as the tidal force became stronger than the chemical bonds holding your body together. You'd be reduced to a bunch of disconnected atoms. Those atoms would be stretched into a line and continue in a processional march. As Tyson described it, you would be "extruded through space like toothpaste being squeezed through a tube." No one knows for certain what happens to those atoms once they reach the center, or "singularity," of a black hole.

In a small black hole—like the one predicted by the LHC doomsayers—this dissolution would occur almost immediately. In fact, for all but the largest black holes, dissolution would happen before a person even crossed the event horizon, and it would take place in a matter of billionths of a second.

The more matter—and people—a black hole gobbled up, the bigger it would get. That could have the effect of making it less spectacularly deadly. As a black hole increases in size, the differences in gravitational force inside become less dramatic. If you fell into a truly gigantic black hole, the rate of change—and resulting tidal force—might not be enough to rip your body apart until after you'd crossed the event horizon.

If you fell into a large enough black hole, your last moments would be a little bit like being on the inside of a distorted, one-way mirror. No one outside would be able to see you, but you'd have a view of them. Meanwhile, the gravitational pull would bend the light weirdly and distort your last moments of vision.

[lefty]

Well, if it helps to get rid of Ironmexican and Timvp

[TDMVPDPOY]

how do they know what heppens inside a blackhole if they never sent anything into it...

no im not talkin about anal sex here

[Heath Ledger]

All scientist have are a bunch of unproven theories about black holes they don't really know shit.

[balli]

how do they know what heppens inside a blackhole if they never sent anything into it...

What happens is that information goes in and it never comes out. It ends in a singularity of space time. The gravitational forces are powerful enough to break everything down into atomic pieces. That is as much as they know about what happens inside black holes and readily, scientists would admit to as much.


All scientist have are a bunch of unproven theories about black holes they don't really know shit.

Not true at all. We have enough observation and mathematical proof regarding black holes to have proven a lot about them. In regards to many aspects of black holes, our study and knowledge is far beyond theoretical at this point. That's the nice thing about the universe; we can observe it and 2+2 still equals four whether you're here or billions of light years away on the edge of a black hole. (unless you're Dostoevsky, anybody get it?) Anyway, it's like Stephen Hawking said in a Brief History of Time, "Black holes, ain't so black."

[The Reckoning]

anything is permissable

[Heath Ledger]

And scientsists once thought the earth was flat.... things are subject to change, nobody has ever been to a black hole or the path of millions of miles on the way so they dont really truly no shit about one.

[E20]

Are you sure?

Seems to me that because of the gravity/time distortions involved at the event horizon, you would be pulled for infinity before dying.

I think you mistook that for the earth. If you were to manage to dig a whole straight through the equator you would eventually fall and end up on the other side, but you would then keep on falling over and over.

[travis2]

I think you mistook that for the earth. If you were to manage to dig a whole straight through the equator you would eventually fall and end up on the other side, but you would then keep on falling over and over.

You're making a funny, right?

[tp2021]

Well, they encountered some problems.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_re_eu/eu_big_bang

[Wild Cobra]

I think you mistook that for the earth. If you were to manage to dig a whole straight through the equator you would eventually fall and end up on the other side, but you would then keep on falling over and over.You're making a funny, right?
Well, if suich a hole existed and in a vacuum, that's exactly what would happen. Also assuming you could drop in such a manner not to hit the sides.

Actually, what I was refering to was the relativity of the matter. Maximum acceleration means minimum relative time, but as time slows to almost nothingness relative to time passing in the outside world. At the speed of light, time is infinate.