***OFFICIAL EliteXC: "Heat" Thread*** [Archive] - Page 3

Johnny_Blaze_47

10-07-2008, 09:40 AM

I'm not defending ESPN by any means, but was it one of the shitty shows (Around The Horn) that was bashing MMA? My guess is it wasn't the "news" shows, but the opinion ones. Frankly, those are horrible to begin with and you have to look at who's saying what.

Example: I can't really stand Jay Marrioti, but he does what he's paid to do well. He's supposed to have people upset with him so they'll tune in (or read again) to see what he'll say next. Mind you, this was a guy who went to the Olympics on his paper's dime before coming back and saying, "Oh, well, this online journalism stuff might actually be something," and cut out of his new contract.

ESPN.com doesn't really have any specific MMA writers as far as I can tell. They tend to use Sherdog.com and special contributors.

I really wish I could find a specific post I'd seen (on Yahoo, I think) about how to cover MMA if you're a sportswriter new to the sport. It was pretty basic, but informative. Honestly, great sportswriters know what they're doing (in fact, the great niche sportswriter is the one getting paid big bucks now... IE: Ludden going from the SAEN to Yahoo Sports), great columnists don't always know what they're doing.

When ESPN gets pressured enough (or likely just as a cost-cutting measure), they'll bring in somebody who can write well about the sport and make them their new MMA face.

Evan

10-07-2008, 10:07 AM

Good Stuff JB47!

LEONARD

10-07-2008, 10:07 AM

i was watching espn's take on the kimbo fight and they called kimbo a joke. but they went ahead and called the sport a joke too. (this was on that show with the 4 different commentators and that one guy can mute them.)

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/10/6/629683/espn-s-pti-and-around-the

dbreiden83080

10-07-2008, 12:10 PM

denials

http://sherdog.com/news/news/elitexc-denies-paying-petruzelli-to-stand-14673

There is definately something to this. They booked Shamrock because they figured he'd be an easy KO. Seth was a better fighter and they knew it. They also needed the circus act to win.

Evan

10-07-2008, 12:15 PM

There is definately something to this. They booked Shamrock because they figured he'd be an easy KO. Seth was a better fighter and they knew it. They also needed the circus act to win.

Seth's 180 retraction is amusing

dbreiden83080

10-07-2008, 12:19 PM

Seth's 180 retraction is amusing

Yeah without a doubt, somebody in Elite-XC got on the phone and told him "If he wants to ever make another dime with them, he better back-track right now"

I don't know what the hell he was thinking?

Evan

10-07-2008, 12:28 PM

Yeah without a doubt, somebody in Elite-XC got on the phone and told him "If he wants to ever make another dime with them, he better back-track right now"

I don't know what the hell he was thinking?

He's just plain stupid…this is why you can't try to fix things…its get out of control so fast because people are too dumb to do it right, thankfully.

ATRAIN

10-07-2008, 12:49 PM

Good Stuff JB47!

Yeah Blaze that was really good. I agree I hate those stupid shows (Around the Horn and PTI) I watch them at the gym while on the treadmill and they drive me crazy. The only one I can actually Stomach is Rome is Burning, but he can be an idiot at times. Did any old PRO wrestling fans notice that Johnathan Coachman (the Coach) is a sportscaster on ESPN?

Johnny_Blaze_47

10-07-2008, 12:57 PM

This is the best time to be something that needs exposure (IMO).

I'd venture to say that most of the posters here are above and beyond normal fans (of basketball, MMA, etc.). If you're somebody who is really in tune to something, this is the best time to work. Everybody here doesn't go to ESPN for their MMA fix, they go to the niche sites.

And let's face it... if the standard "ESPN is everything sports" fan is the one you're trying to court, you're probably not going to get them nor want them around.

The other thing... the squeaky wheels get the grease. I only respond to people who actually get at me in my job. Many times (99 out of 100), it's negative feedback, but if they ask a legitimate question about something I can control, I'll usually respond. If they're dicks to me, I'm snarky back. If they seek legitimate help while providing negative feedback, then I'll help in the hopes that they tell somebody else.

My point: E-mail the ATH guys. Tell them you disagreed with their commentary, but don't be dicks (would you respond if somebody came at you that way?) about it. Also mention that your viewership will decline, but do realize that it's their opinion. You certainly don't have to watch, but that doesn't change their job description. Also, I would e-mail the ESPN ombudsman and let her know you'd appreciate better MMA coverage from the news side (or live programming coverage).

dbreiden83080

10-07-2008, 01:09 PM

Part of it also is, we need to get out with the old and in with the new, with some of the sports opinions that control so much. Certain big time, writers and sports anchors are never going to appreciate MMA, they just have their heads stuck in the sand about it. They see it as bar-room brawling and they just don't care. The Mike Lupica's, Bob Ryan's and Tony Kornheisers of the world are too set in their ways to turn the train around. As the sport grows and grows, and younger fresher minds, take their place in the mainstream media that will finally change. I'd expect within the next 5 years to see Sportscenter covering UFC events like they do Boxing on a reg basis. We are getting closer to that, but not quite there yet.

ATRAIN

10-07-2008, 01:12 PM

dallaskd

10-07-2008, 06:38 PM

I miss the days when MMA was kind of a "underground sport". A little before TUF 1. That was the best. When no idiots talked about it.

Johnny_Blaze_47

10-07-2008, 11:56 PM

JB what do you do for work again?

I'm the news editor for KSAT.com. Previously, I've worked as a freelance sports reporter for multiple newspapers and as a cops reporter for the San Angelo Standard-Times. I'm also a journalism and new media blogger.

Taco

10-08-2008, 08:16 AM

Seth's 180 retraction is amusing

WHAT RETRACTION? WHAT DID I MISS? :huh

I'm honestly more surprised the ref didn't stop the fight when seth hit kimbo in the back of the head. :downspin:

WHY WOULD HE HAVE STOPPED IT? :huh

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A WARNING AT THE MOST.

THAT'S NOT WHAT PUT SLICE DOWN, IT WAS A SHORT RIGHT :ihit

(UNLESS YOU ARE SAYING HE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED IT TO KEEP THE CASH COW GOING?) :wakeup

Evan

10-08-2008, 10:20 AM

WHAT RETRACTION? WHAT DID I MISS? :huh

He pulled the generic "I was taken out of context by the media" card

BlackSwordsMan

10-08-2008, 10:34 AM

WHAT RETRACTION? WHAT DID I MISS? :huh

WHY WOULD HE HAVE STOPPED IT? :huh

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A WARNING AT THE MOST.

THAT'S NOT WHAT PUT SLICE DOWN, IT WAS A SHORT RIGHT :ihit

(UNLESS YOU ARE SAYING HE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED IT TO KEEP THE CASH COW GOING?) :wakeup

Not the stop fight entirely I meant stop the fight to let them get back up to let Kimbo be in a favorable spot.

BlackSwordsMan

10-08-2008, 10:36 AM

I miss the days when MMA was kind of a "underground sport". A little before TUF 1. That was the best. When no idiots talked about it.

I was just thinking that yesterday. Yesterday some white dude at my gym was yelling about Kimbo losing he wouldn't shut up about it and he was at least 50 feet away and I could hear him.

dbreiden83080

10-08-2008, 11:23 AM

I was just thinking that yesterday. Yesterday some white dude at my gym was yelling about Kimbo losing he wouldn't shut up about it and he was at least 50 feet away and I could hear him.

What is he yelling about?? Kimbo sucks, anyone with half a brain knew that going into the fight.

DBryant88

10-08-2008, 11:59 AM

Kimbo does suck

BlackSwordsMan

10-08-2008, 12:03 PM

What is he yelling about?? Kimbo sucks, anyone with half a brain knew that going into the fight.

He was over 50 feet away I could only hear him say kimbo but from the look of it he was shocked that kimbo lost so I stopped paying attention

dbreiden83080

10-08-2008, 12:47 PM

He was over 50 feet away I could only hear him say kimbo but from the look of it he was shocked that kimbo lost so I stopped paying attention

Typical, of the half-brained people out there that bought into Kimbo and why he was such a bad rep for our sport. He should be gone now though. His next fight won't get this kind of hype and soon he may be toiling in small shows.

Evan

10-08-2008, 01:06 PM

$kala is such scum........

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/10/8/630763/jared-kala-shaw-on-espnrad#comments

desflood

10-08-2008, 01:15 PM

Hey, give the guy a break - it probably really sucks when you're a rich guy and everybody else except your star does their job in the show and you see the potential to make more millions slip away :lol

Evan

10-08-2008, 02:25 PM

Benji Radach led off the CBS portion of Elite XC: Heat with an exciting second-round knockout of “Ninja” Rua, but says he was never informed by Elite XC officials before the bout that there was even the possibility of a ‘knockout of the night’ bonus, as Seth Petruzelli says he received for felling Kimbo Slice.

desflood

10-08-2008, 02:28 PM

Deeper and deeper...

Evan

10-08-2008, 02:29 PM

I know I'm attached to this like a pitbull but I think this is a bigger deal than people think.

PRIDE aside, MMA has been free of such nonsense.

dbreiden83080

10-08-2008, 02:37 PM

I can't kill the guy too much, he is just defending his company and his biggest draw but some of the things he says about Kimbo and his career are crazy.

"He has all the talent in the world"

"What he has done this early in his career against this competiton is great"

What has he done exactly and who has he done it against??

He KO'd Tank Abbott who is 1-8 in his last 9 fights. Has not beat anyone legit in about a decade.

He beat Bo Cantrell

career record of 10-11, lost his last 5 fights.

Barely Beat James Thompson bad ref stoppage

Career record of 14-9, just 2-7 in his last 9 fights.

Lost too Seth a good solid fighter with a decent record of fights. But he lost bad in 14 seconds. Nothing Kimbo has done is impressive. Nothing he has done suggests he has "All the talent in the world"

desflood

10-08-2008, 02:39 PM

Nothing he has doen suggests he has "All the talent in the world"
What he meant to say was, "All the money-making potential in the world."

ATRAIN

10-08-2008, 02:42 PM

Nothing Kimbo has done is impressive. Nothing he has done suggests he has "All the talent in the world"

I agree Kimbo was a stain on the face of MMA and all the idiots that were "shocked" when he lost need to get a clue.

ATRAIN

10-08-2008, 02:43 PM

What he meant to say was, "All the money-making potential in the world."

LOL

desflood

10-08-2008, 02:44 PM

:lmao

Jason "Mayhem" Miller with the quote of the day on the Kimbo loss:

"Wow, wtf. Kimbo loses a fight and it's like Jesus fell off his damn dinosaur."

ATRAIN

10-08-2008, 02:51 PM

:lmao

Jason "Mayhem" Miller with the quote of the day on the Kimbo loss:

"Wow, wtf. Kimbo loses a fight and it's like Jesus fell off his damn dinosaur."

Its apparent that the fighters dont like him either throught the sport.

ATRAIN

10-08-2008, 02:53 PM

Seth should change his ring name to Seth "The Kimbo Killer" Petruzelli

dallaskd

10-08-2008, 04:15 PM

On the subject of the Seth Petruzelli claim that he was told 'no takedowns' before the Kimbo fight, Shaw said that he'd never heard anyone from EliteXC say that.

He also took on Las Vegas radio host Dave Cokin when he repeatedly said "Kimbo sucks, stop pushing him as a real fighter."

Evan

10-08-2008, 07:17 PM

This keep getting worse...Now the Nelson vs AA fight has serious questions and I don't blame Affliction for a second.

“A quote from Kimbo… it is what it is,” said Nelson in an interview with MMAWeekly.com about the stand up. “The thing is I had a Kimura and I let the Kimura go to go to side control to go get the mount. As soon as I let go of the Kimura to go into side control where I could just basically make Andrei work a little bit more, and just kind of tire him out, and make him feel the weight. As soon as I did that, first thing they did was stand me up.”

Nelson wasn’t the only fighter on the card that night to question the refereeing. During an appearance on MMAWeekly Radio, EliteXC welterweight champion Jake Shields also mentioned that shortly after taking Paul Daley down in their fight, just as he was transitioning to mount, the referee was warning them to keep busy or the fight would be stood up.

According to Nelson, he also heard about the referee situation from Shields, but added that he doesn’t feel that was the real problem he was facing when challenging a popular fighter like Andrei Arlovski.

“Jake was telling me about it, but the difference between me and Jake is they wanted Jake to win,” Nelson commented.

In the end, Nelson feels the referee situation adversely affected his performance and while the overall experience soured him to those particular referees, he’s open to returning to EliteXC.

“I felt like I was fighting two people,” Nelson said about the referees last Saturday night. “I would fight for Elite, it all depends where we’re fighting at and who’s the ref. If we were fighting in Vegas, and I know the refs and they actually know what a Kimura is, that kind of makes for a big difference. Cause the reason they’re telling me to work for a better position and you’ve got someone in a submission, usually they have to get out.”

Still the overall situation could go even deeper because the former IFL champ says that Arlovski may have had prior knowledge about their fight, giving him more time to prepare.

“We were having dinner afterwards and Andrei’s guys were coming over and they were just talking about how they had been studying me and watching film and stuff and they’ve been doing it for over three weeks, and I was like, ‘huh?” Nelson stated. “And I didn’t say anything to them, but it makes you kind of wonder, three weeks? I thought you were on the same (one) week plan that I was? When you see all the politics all unfold and that made it very interesting.”

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=7306&zoneid=2

djohn14

10-08-2008, 07:20 PM

Nelson didnt do anything but hold him up against the cage. While wrong, I really dont care.

Evan

10-08-2008, 07:25 PM

Nelson didnt do anything but hold him up against the cage. While wrong, I really dont care.

Read whats bolded.

djohn14

10-08-2008, 07:57 PM

Read whats bolded.

I know. I just dont think that mattered because Nelson had Andrei against the cage but just held him. As I recall he didnt try to advance or anything. Yes that would be wrong, but I just dont think it affected the fight outcome.

Evan

10-08-2008, 08:09 PM

I know. I just dont think that mattered because Nelson had Andrei against the cage but just held him. As I recall he didnt try to advance or anything. Yes that would be wrong, but I just dont think it affected the fight outcome.

But what is the reasoning to hide it from Roy before the fight?

I guarantee somewhere tom atencio is effing livid about this.

oligarchy

10-08-2008, 09:20 PM

This keep getting worse...Now the Nelson vs AA fight has serious questions and I don't blame Affliction for a second.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=7306&zoneid=2

I don't think there was a ton of options -- he was the most likely candidate after everyone knew Barnett was out.

Evan

10-08-2008, 09:31 PM

I don't think there was a ton of options -- he was the most likely candidate after everyone knew Barnett was out.

I agree....but why was Arlovski given 3 weeks notice who he was fighting and Roy 1?

That alone is not that big of a deal...but with everything else....

dbreiden83080

10-08-2008, 09:36 PM

I agree Kimbo was a stain on the face of MMA and all the idiots that were "shocked" when he lost need to get a clue.

The thing is, all these people that say he was this "Bad-Ass street-fighter" lets clarify that. For anyone that has not seen his fights on youtube, there are rules to the fights. Basically it is just Kimbo in a fist fight. All these people are standing around that laid bets on it, and you can't take it to the ground, from what i saw you can't even kick and i know you can't throw knees. So it is just Kimbo standing there trying to punch his man until he quits or can't get back up. That is the extent of his fighting expertise before he went to MMA. Street fist fights, using almost no MMA skill against any bum they could find. The one guy he fought in a fist fight, that had some MMA training and fought once in the UFC was a guy named Sean Gannon and guess what, he lost that fight. You can see it on Youtube. It is not like Kimbo, had world class wrestling like Brock than went into MMA. The Dude can't fight, he just can't.

Evan

10-08-2008, 09:42 PM

dbreiden83080

10-08-2008, 09:47 PM

I did not know that...interesting.

Yep, check out his fights on youtube. Tell me how many kicks you see or if anyone ever goes to the ground?? The guy had very limited skills long before he even started training in MMA

Evan

10-08-2008, 09:49 PM

I'll do that this weekend. I have never seen one of his fights but I have seen a couple stills. Were his opponents already picked or was the spur of the moment picks real?

Evan

10-08-2008, 09:51 PM

bloodyelbow

If you think Seth’s second statement was a big contradiction of his first get a load of this:

Seth was interviewed by sam caplan:

Sam Caplan: Would you have received a bonus had you submitted Kimbo?

Seth Petruzelli: Yes. There were submission bonuses, knockout bonuses, and a "Fight of the Night" bonus — just like the UFC does it. They just want an exciting fight no matter where it goes.

Sam Caplan: Did the submission bonus pay the same as the knockout bonus?

Seth Petruzelli: Yes. Every bonus is the same.

(source: http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/07/seth-petruzelli-discusses-elitexc-bonus-money-kimbos-posse-threatening-his-wife-what-it-was-like-fighting-bob-sapp-and-more-in-new-exclusive-interview/ )

Now Josh Gross just interviewed Jeremy Lapen:

EliteXC, it seems, does not view submissions, widely thought of as the most technical aspect of MMA, as an overly important portion of an exciting fight.

"We don’t give submission bonuses," Lappen said. But Petruzelli "knew a knockout bonus was possible before the fight."

(source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/josh_gross/10/08/seth.petruzelli/index.html?eref=T1 )

Benji Radach confirmed on sherdog radio:

"No, not at all," Radach said, when asked whether Elite XC officials ever mentioned knockout, submission, or fight of the night bonuses, before or after the event. "I wish there was a bonus because I think my fight was really exciting, maybe fight of the night or knockout of the night. But nope, I never heard anything."

Sounds like Seth is taking his back tracking a little too far.

dbreiden83080

10-08-2008, 09:58 PM

I'll do that this weekend. I have never seen one of his fights but I have seen a couple stills. Were his opponents already picked or was the spur of the moment picks real?

He had a crew that came along with him and they knew who he was fighting. They all laid bets on Kimbo to win of course. I guess it was just anyone who would challenge Kimbo to fight, and they'd get some money if they could beat him. But like i said, it was really just a fist fight.

dallaskd

10-08-2008, 11:50 PM

I'll do that this weekend. I have never seen one of his fights but I have seen a couple stills. Were his opponents already picked or was the spur of the moment picks real?

Any video of the Gannon fight is very bad quality. But yeah i figured Kimbo's street fights has rules because they went crazy when sean got him in a standing guillotine and tried to clinch.

dallaskd

10-08-2008, 11:51 PM

He had a crew that came along with him and they knew who he was fighting. They all laid bets on Kimbo to win of course. I guess it was just anyone who would challenge Kimbo to fight, and they'd get some money if they could beat him. But like i said, it was really just a fist fight.

yup. Purely standup, but no kicks and knees. It was ALL punching rules.

Evan

10-09-2008, 07:55 AM

More....from fightopinion.com

Now they are openly admitting to manipulating fights on one hand and not the other.

“It disgusts me,” White said. “I’ve been busting my (expletive) for 10 years flying all over the planet to show everybody what a great sport this is and what amazing people are involved in it. Then CBS throws this guy who fights at people’s barbecues on the main event because they’re trying to compete with us, and he gets knocked out in (14) seconds by a guy who didn’t win ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ and couldn’t fight in the UFC. Then the guy turns around the next day and says, ‘The promoters actually paid me to not go to the ground with this guy. They paid me to stand up,’ which I’m pretty sure is illegal.”

“Do I think that’s unethical? No,” Shaw said. “Because in MMA, you get bonus money for a knockout. I don’t see it as unethical . . . asking him to be TV and fan friendly.”

Gary Shaw:

But Elite XC consultant Gary Shaw said he wouldn’t hesitate to “go to a fighter and say, ‘We’re looking for a stand-up fight.’ You’re not asking him to throw a fight. You’re talking about a fan-friendly fight, not about protecting Kimbo.”

Jared Shaw:

“Why in a million years would we ask Seth to not take Kimbo down? That’s crazy. That’s all Kimbo’s been working on is the ground game. Ken Shamrock, 84 percent of his wins are submission and through the ground, so Kimbo was ready for the ground. If anybody knows Seth Petruzelli, he’s a K-1 fighter, I wouldn’t want him standing. So to say ‘don’t take him down,’ that’s ridiculous.”

ATRAIN

10-09-2008, 08:11 AM

^^ LMAO Dana is such a prick but its funny

BlackSwordsMan

10-09-2008, 09:31 AM

lol fights at people's bar b ques

Evan

10-09-2008, 10:35 PM

http://www.fightlinker.com/pics/jaredshaw3.jpg

"I watched the tape back today," Shaw told MMA Rated. "My reactions at ringside... were inappropriate and inexcusable."

"I apologize to the MMA community and the fans and most of all Seth Petruzelli as, although my reactions can not change a referee's decision, they were inappropriate at the time."

It is not the first time that Shaw has been accused of showing favouritism towards Kimbo Slice.

When Slice fought James Thompson earlier this year, Shaw was seen shouting for the referee to "stand them up" as Slice was on the bottom and taking damage.

BlackSwordsMan

10-09-2008, 11:01 PM

nothing wrong with what shaw did it's obvious without kimbo his company is fucked

Evan

10-10-2008, 09:17 AM

inestigation is on

http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/10/09/reports-kimbopetruzelli-fight-being-investigated/

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 10:40 AM

inestigation is on

http://www.fightopinion.com/2008/10/09/reports-kimbopetruzelli-fight-being-investigated/

Because of the whole KO of the night bonus thing, they'll likely be able to spin it and not get caught with any actual proof of anything.

Evan

10-10-2008, 10:53 AM

Because of the whole KO of the night bonus thing, they'll likely be able to spin it and not get caught with any actual proof of anything.

Problem is…they have contradicted themselves several times….everyone who has spoken has. Also…you have fighters coming out saying they had no idea there was any bonuses.

I think this is a much bigger problem that people realize.

And EXC has a event coming up in LV shortly.

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 11:02 AM

Problem is…they have contradicted themselves several times….everyone who has spoken has. Also…you have fighters coming out saying they had no idea there was any bonuses.

I think this is a much bigger problem that people realize.

And EXC has a event coming up in LV shortly.

I think they have reigned everyone in now though. These guys are not going to want to go down as rats who spilled the beans. Whatever happened, it went down likely verbally. I doubt there are any signed contracts that state any improper doing. So that is why i don't think they will get caught.

Evan

10-10-2008, 11:23 AM

I think they have reigned everyone in now though. These guys are not going to want to go down as rats who spilled the beans. Whatever happened, it went down likely verbally. I doubt there are any signed contracts that state any improper doing. So that is why i don't think they will get caught.

Doesn't matter though.

What's said is said clearly as day in interviews from head personnel. This really shouldn't be taken lightly at all (not saying you are mind you) what we have here is the first MMA organization who has hit main stream had an abonination in May with a fight fixing scandal shortly thereafter. That will have a huge impact on how this sport is covered for a long time. Make no mistake that MMA has taken several huge steps back thanks to a boxing promoter.

And don't think Zuffa is all over Keith Keizer in Nevada who heads the NSAC. Do you know who Marc Ratner is? He is the tall skinny older guy with glasses you see at weigh-ins. He is the former head of the NSAC so they have all kinds of leverage.

A lot of fall out behind the scenes will happen from this.

Anti.Hero

10-10-2008, 11:36 AM

If enough neg. PR is done discussing fixing fights, people will drop this shit organization fast.

Evan

10-10-2008, 11:40 AM

EXC did not make or spend a dime for that fight.

http://www.fightlinker.com/?p=3436

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 11:50 AM

What's said is said clearly as day in interviews from head personnel. This really shouldn't be taken lightly at all (not saying you are mind you) what we have here is the first MMA organization who has hit main stream had an abonination in May with a fight fixing scandal shortly thereafter. That will have a huge impact on how this sport is covered for a long time. Make no mistake that MMA has taken several huge steps back thanks to a boxing promoter.

They have to be able to prove something for this to have any legs Evan. All they have now is talk. This guy said this on one day, then said something else on another day. It doesn't amount to much of anything. You need some actual hard evidence of something. Even if he was offered extra cash to stand, they have to prove it. If this was all verbal, that is where it will likely die. And if MMA can survive horrific judging, where people were screaming the fights were rigged, then this i think will just go away soon as well.

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 11:53 AM

And don't think Zuffa is all over Keith Keizer in Nevada who heads the NSAC. Do you know who Marc Ratner is? He is the tall skinny older guy with glasses you see at weigh-ins. He is the former head of the NSAC so they have all kinds of leverage.

A lot of fall out behind the scenes will happen from this.

Zuffa can be all over whoever they want. Unless they get their hands on a paper trail or something other than Seth and EXC officials changing their story, it's not likely going to matter.

Evan

10-10-2008, 11:56 AM

Zuffa can be all over whoever they want. Unless they get their hands on a paper trail or something other than Seth and EXC officials changing their story, it's not likely going to matter.

Of course it will matter. UFC strong armed Affliciton out of Nevada and forced them to move to California. You have to be able to make money in Vegas to live. Vegas is the biggest paycheck for an org.

Lagging ticket sales didn't help of course........

Evan

10-10-2008, 11:58 AM

They have to be able to prove something for this to have any legs Evan. All they have now is talk. This guy said this on one day, then said something else on another day. It doesn't amount to much of anything. You need some actual hard evidence of something. Even if he was offered extra cash to stand, they have to prove it. If this was all verbal, that is where it will likely die. And if MMA can survive horrific judging, where people were screaming the fights were rigged, then this i think will just go away soon as well.

You seem to think I believe they will be prosecuted or something? No no no...no way...of course not. Its a slim chance but I doubt it.

My entire issue is legitimacy of a organization and perception with the general sports public.

And LV can ban them for whatever reason they please. They are not a court of law.

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 12:08 PM

You seem to think I believe they will be prosecuted or something? No no no...no way...of course not. Its a slim chance but I doubt it.
My entire issue is legitimacy of a organization and perception with the general sports public.

They'll get legitimacy if they sign some bigger names and put on some great fights. If Tito gets somewhat healthy and fights Frank Shamrock, that will get asses in the seats. Over-Pay for a few guys from the UFC and match them up. If they want to get in the game they are going to have to hang in there and take their lumps. Right now this is the freshest thing on everyone's minds, mainly because Kimbo got Bitch-Slapped and Seth ran his mouth. EXC doesn't sound like they are worried about it or that they are folding up their tents anytime soon. I expect an investigation, a bunch of denials and it goes away by their next show.

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 12:11 PM

Of course it will matter. UFC strong armed Affliciton out of Nevada and forced them to move to California. You have to be able to make money in Vegas to live. Vegas is the biggest paycheck for an org.

Lagging ticket sales didn't help of course........

If they were putting on a card that was going to sell the joint out and got mainstream interest the UFC would not be forcing anyone out. They can act like bullies when nobody cares what you are putting on in the first place.

Evan

10-10-2008, 12:12 PM

They'll get legitimacy if they sign some bigger names and put on some great fights. If Tito gets somewhat healthy and fights Frank Shamrock, that will get asses in the seats. Over-Pay for a few guys from the UFC and match them up. If they want to get in the game they are going to have to hang in there and take their lumps. Right now this is the freshest thing on everyone's minds, mainly because Kimbo got Bitch-Slapped and Seth ran his mouth. EXC doesn't sound like they are worried about it or that they are folding up their tents anytime soon. I expect an investigation, a bunch of denials and it goes away by their next show.

There is no way this is gone by Nov 8th.

And in case you missed this a few up

EXC did not make or spend a dime for that fight.

http://www.fightlinker.com/?p=3436

BlackSwordsMan

10-10-2008, 12:25 PM

The thing is, all these people that say he was this "Bad-Ass street-fighter" lets clarify that. For anyone that has not seen his fights on youtube, there are rules to the fights. Basically it is just Kimbo in a fist fight. All these people are standing around that laid bets on it, and you can't take it to the ground, from what i saw you can't even kick and i know you can't throw knees. So it is just Kimbo standing there trying to punch his man until he quits or can't get back up. That is the extent of his fighting expertise before he went to MMA. Street fist fights, using almost no MMA skill against any bum they could find. The one guy he fought in a fist fight, that had some MMA training and fought once in the UFC was a guy named Sean Gannon and guess what, he lost that fight. You can see it on Youtube. It is not like Kimbo, had world class wrestling like Brock than went into MMA. The Dude can't fight, he just can't.
ever see him fight gannon? kimbo got choked out

desflood

10-10-2008, 12:33 PM

:corn:

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 12:48 PM

ever see him fight gannon? kimbo got choked out

Yeah i mentioned that

There is no way this is gone by Nov 8th.

And in case you missed this a few up

EXC did not make or spend a dime for that fight.

http://www.fightlinker.com/?p=3436

So clarify for me what you are saying. Are you saying that EXC is dead in the water or will be soon because of financial problems and this scandal?? I don't think this scandal will amount to much of anything, you seem too. If they can put on some big fights with legit MMA fighters that is what will get them out of the red. But are you saying that will never happen?

Evan

10-10-2008, 01:01 PM

So clarify for me what you are saying. Are you saying that EXC is dead in the water or will be soon because of financial problems and this scandal?? I don't think this scandal will amount to much of anything, you seem too. If they can put on some big fights with legit MMA fighters that is what will get them out of the red. But are you saying that will never happen?

That EXC tried to fix a fight.

There is no other way to put it. They were trying to fix a fight. This is a huge black eye on MMA. Make no mistake about it. EXC is in the public eye….hell even my mom knows they exist. So the first MMA org to make it main stream is now in a fight fixing scandal. Yee -f*cking haw…. yay Shaw's. EXC was so dead set on Kimbo winning Shaw as ring side screaming in misery that his Willy Wonka chocolate bar wrapper was fluttering away. Proof is everywhere…especially since Gary has admitted it and nobody can keep their story's straight.

What do I think it will amount to? Massive mistrust by the masses that MMA is a legit sport. Do you not think that is a big deal? People already stupidly compare MMA to the WWF and shady side of boxing…and here's proof they are right in a way. Thank God none of them know PRIDE used to do this or it would be worse.

And probably deeper problems in the already sinking EXC who did not make a dime from this fight and is in the red.

Lets not forget that Roy Nelson was told both he and Arlovski had 1 weeks notice for this fight and it turns out that Arlovski was given 3. Not that big of a deal but its more proof that they want specific out comes. I can't blame them for wanting outcomes…who doesn't…but you can encourage them because.that.is.fight.fixing.

Evan

10-10-2008, 01:12 PM

*sits in corner and gets a towel rub down*
*Listens advice from trainers*
*waves off water bottle*

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 01:20 PM

[B]That EXC tried to fix a fight.
There is no other way to put it. They were trying to fix a fight. This is a huge black eye on MMA. Make no mistake about it. EXC is in the public eye….hell even my mom knows they exist. So the first MMA org to make it main stream is now in a fight fixing scandal. Yee -f*cking haw…. yay Shaw's. EXC was so dead set on Kimbo winning Shaw as ring side screaming in misery that his Willy Wonka chocolate bar wrapper was fluttering away. Proof is everywhere…especially since Gary has admitted it and nobody can keep their story's straight.

And if hard proof exists that they tried to fix it, they will get busted and may go down the drain for good. Until that happens, this is just talk. Rumors, nothing more. Seth said one thing then backtracked, EXC officials are denying everything. Did the UFC get hurt long-term when Hammill got dicked over in the UK with crooked judging?? No, why because they had many more big fights coming down the road to drown out that noise. It is all about the fights. If EXC can book some bigger fights, this will all be forgotten. Plus the next time Kimbo fights, they'll never try anything like this again. They can't afford too. You mention boxing. You have any idea how many scandals they survived when they were more popular. Boxing is not dead because of scandals they are dead because they have no big stars left. People were accused to taking dives when Tyson was in his heyday, nobody cared the next time he fought. Everyone believed that the judging was rigged when De-la hoya fought Trinidad and when Holyfield fought Lewis. They still bought the PPV next time out. And if this is true and Elite-XC goes down largely because of it, then fine. Good riddance. It won't effect the UFC at all. Why because they have all the star power in the world to shut this kind of nonsense up. The huge events they put on one after the other will mean far more than any lingering doubt of possible rigged fights. Their rep is very clean of this stuff. So it is not likely to follow to them and hurt the credibility of their product.

Evan

10-10-2008, 01:27 PM

EXC officials are denying everything.

No...no they're not. They don't know what they are saying. Look at that link I posted. Gary says there is nothing wrong with encouraging the outcome of a fight.

And how can you possibly compare a dumb judge to paying someone to alter the outcome of a fight? Nobody thought that was a fix except some 12 year olds on sherdog.

You need to separate what MMA fans have seen from what the general public has seen. And more importantly what the general sports media has seen. Think any of them have seen that Hamil fight?

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 01:35 PM

No...no they're not. They don't know what they are saying. Look at that link I posted. Gary says there is nothing wrong with encouraging the outcome of a fight.

Yeah and he is a moron but it is not like the UFC does not with their actions let you know who they want to win. Or do you call putting GSP and Serra 2 in Montreal when Serra was champ, leveling the playing field? That crowd was ready to lynch Serra

"And how can you possibly compare a dumb judge to paying someone to alter the outcome of a fight? Nobody thought that was a fix except some 12 year olds on sherdog"

I can do it because boxing survived scandals for 50 years when they had star power. Again it is all about the big fights. Keep putting them on and people will watch and largely ignore this bullshit. You have any idea how many times people have accused Don King of paying off judges?

"You need to separate what MMA fans have seen from what the general public has seen. And more importantly what the general sports media has seen. Think any of them have seen that Hamil fight"

You need to seperate EXC from the UFC. Why because the UFC is MMA today. They have all the star power, they put on all the big fights, they control the industry. This was a show on CBS that drew what 7 or 8 million viewers? Worst case scenario, it is revelaed they tried to fix the fight, EXC closes it's doors, UFC keeps dominating with huge card after huge card, hardly anyone ever speaks of this again. As long as the UFC is never busted doing this, it really won't matter. And that won't happen.

You seem to think this will have long-term effects, with the state of the UFC, i don't see it happening.

Evan

10-10-2008, 01:39 PM

I can do it because boxing survived scandals for 50 years when they had star power. Again it is all about the big fights. Keep putting them on and people will watch and largely ignore this bullshit. You have any idea how many times people have accused Don King of paying off judges? .

Understood and you're correct but MMA is far too new and has ZERO history. People are looking to dismiss it. Boxing used to be the sport in this country.

"You need to separate what MMA fans have seen from what the general public has seen. And more importantly what the general sports media has seen. Think any of them have seen that Hamil fight"

You need to seperate EXC from the UFC. Why because the UFC is MMA today. .

Of course I am seperating them…I have made that clear several times and is the basis of my argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It doesn't seperate the fact that the general sports media AND GENERAL SPORTS FAN has gotten is first taste of MMA from EXC and now has a big scandal to think about.

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 01:39 PM

*sits in corner and gets a towel rub down*
*Listens advice from trainers*
*waves off water bottle*

*Tells trainer to piss off*

*Fix My Cut*

*Going for KO*

Evan

10-10-2008, 01:43 PM

oh dear.........

*inserts EPO IV*

desflood

10-10-2008, 01:47 PM

Going for an extra round, gents, or just going to wait for a judges' decision?

I'll go call Cecil Peoples. We'll make sure we screw this up correctly.

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 01:50 PM

Understood and you're correct but MMA is far too new and has ZERO history. People are looking to dismiss it. Boxing used to be the sport in this country

People are not looking to dismiss it. You of all people know how big this sport is now. This scandal will NOT change the fact that MMA is the combat sport of the future. In Nov when Brock is fighting Randy, who will give a shit??

"Of course I am seperating them…I have made that clear several times and is the basis of my argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You are UPSET beacuse you think this will hurt MMA, i'm telling you it won't because of the UFC's power and ability to make great fights. How will EXC screwing around effect anything long term, taking into account everything i have already said? Short term it is a problem, long term it is not.

"It doesn't seperate the fact that the general sports media AND GENERAL SPORTS FAN has gotten is first taste of MMA from EXC and now has a big scandal to think about"

And if EXC has to pay for this with closed doors, oh well. The public goes back to the UFC and won't have to worry about any of this nonsense. All is always forgotten with star power and mega fights

Evan

10-10-2008, 01:50 PM

Going for an extra round, gents, or just going to wait for a judges' decision?

I'll go call Cecil Peoples. We'll make sure we screw this up correctly.

dbreiden83080 has made excellent points but I still don't agree with him.

A fix is a fix and its not good that this is what the masses know about MMA.

I need to go to a meeting here in 10 minutes so let me close with quoting the great Zach Arnold who has said it better than me.

Just who is potentially affected by this Elite XC scandal?

The sportsbooks and MMA bettors in Las Vegas. If Las Vegas thinks that fights are being fixed or manipulated, are they going to want to put any betting lines on the board for the public to place bets on? Maintaining the utmost credibility when it comes to fights in the United States is a major deal. That’s why fixing a fight or bribing a fight to manipulate the potential outcome of a fight is a felony and gets you jail time.

The stockholders of Pro Elite. Investors in Pro Elite cannot be happy right now, both with the current financial numbers the company has produced in 10k filings and also with this current scandal. An investigation into the company’s activity based on this scandal could be bad news for company management.

The MMA industry as a whole, particularly UFC. There are people inside the MMA industry who have spent their entire lives trying to build this sport up, only to now see the sport get a black eye because of the Kimbo Slice situation. Dana White justifiably should be upset with what is going on here. A match fixing or manipulating scandal could do legitimate damage to the credibility of Mixed Martial Arts in the United States.

The fans. There are plenty of boxing fans who now watch MMA because it’s a more exciting product. The last thing this business needs is boxing-style corruption seeping into this young, fresh industry that is gaining more and more steam. Fans deserve true, legitimate outcomes to fights.

How do you think CBS would feel about an SEC investigation into Pro Elite, given the amount of money that CBS has put into the company so far? It doesn’t matter if the amount of money is peanuts for CBS, the fact is that they put money into the company.

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 01:52 PM

Going for an extra round, gents, or just going to wait for a judges' decision?

I'll go call Cecil Peoples. We'll make sure we screw this up correctly.

"Judges score it 30-27 for Evan"

"Dbreiden fires Juanito Ibarra"

"Gets arrested for trying to run over old ladies in his SUV"

Evan

10-10-2008, 01:52 PM

Dbreiden83080….I'll be back later to respond to post #584. I have to run to a meeting and play monopoly on my ipod for 2 hours.

Evan

10-10-2008, 01:53 PM

"Judges score it 30-27 for Evan"

"Dbreiden fires Juanito Ibarra"

"Gets arrested for trying to run over old ladies in his SUV"

:lol :lol :lol :lol

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 02:04 PM

"dbreiden83080 has made excellent points but I still don't agree with him.

A fix is a fix and its not good that this is what the masses know about MMA. "

Why would you say this is what "The Masses know about MMA"

Don't you think you are selling the UFC and all they have done, especially in the last few years painfully short here?? I think most people know MMA is the combat sport of the future. I don't think one televised event put on by another company with a scandal that follows, erases or does major damage to MMA as whole, given all the UFC has done. I just dont...

"The MMA industry as a whole, particularly UFC. There are people inside the MMA industry who have spent their entire lives trying to build this sport up, only to now see the sport get a black eye because of the Kimbo Slice situation. Dana White justifiably should be upset with what is going on here. A match fixing or manipulating scandal could do legitimate damage to the credibility of Mixed Martial Arts in the United States"

I think what goes on here is a standard over-reaction to a situation like this. They need to investigate and if they find proof that EXC did this, they are dead in the water. Now that may just have to make Dana and the UFC work that much harder to prove it is safe to lay lines and bets on our fights but they will be just fine. The UFC has a 100% clean record and it will remain that way. EXC a company basically bankrupt that tried to fix a fight as a means of getting themselves established, will pail in comparison to the juggernut of the UFC, with a clean record making the biggest and best MMA fights in the world. Like i said Boxing survived a lot of scandals when it was HOT, so will MMA thanks mainly to the UFC.

Evan

10-10-2008, 03:16 PM

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 08:46 PM

The mass media knows more about the EXC than they do the UFC. It’s a fact. It’s the first time a lot of newspapers and local stations have covered MMA and what they saw was Kimbo popping a ear and now they have a fight fixing scandal.
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The Mass media knows plenty about the UFC. They have graced the issue of Sports Illustrated, they have had Rogan and Goldberg on Sportscenter covering the fights and doing previews. They are now showing highlights of all the UFC title fights on SportCenter and ESPN NEWS. the UFC has been getting coverage of a number of events in tons of major newspapers. The show on CBS did not even garner that great a ratings considering it was on CBS. They drew about 4 million viewers. Ortiz and Shamrock 3 on Spike TV, (Hardly a major Network) drew nearly 6 million viewers. If that was on CBS it would have done 10 mil easy. I just don't think all that many people really care about this nonsense with Kimbo. And the ones that do will be drown out by all the big fights coming up.

Alright somebody add this bitch up and tell us who WON?? :p:

Evan

10-10-2008, 08:58 PM

The Mass media knows plenty about the UFC. They have graced the issue of Sports Illustrated, they have had Rogan and Goldberg on Sportscenter covering the fights and doing previews. They are now showing highlights of all the UFC title fights on SportCenter and ESPN NEWS. the UFC has been getting coverage of a number of events in tons of major newspapers. The show on CBS did not even garner that great a ratings considering it was on CBS. They drew about 4 million viewers. Ortiz and Shamrock 3 on Spike TV, (Hardly a major Network) drew nearly 6 million viewers. If that was on CBS it would have done 10 mil easy. I just don't think all that many people really care about this nonsense with Kimbo. And the ones that do will be drown out by all the big fights coming up.

Thats all well and good but it has nothing to do with my point really.

EXC tried to fix a fight and I think its a big deal. MMA was doing just fine before boxing got involved and they have now tainted it

We went in so many directions that got lost. hah

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 09:01 PM

"The mass media knows more about the EXC than they do the UFC. It’s a fact"

That is hardly a fact Evan. As i just went into detail about

Evan

10-10-2008, 09:05 PM

"The mass media knows more about the EXC than they do the UFC. It’s a fact"

That is hardly a fact Evan. As i just went into detail about

I would say more newspapers, local TV networks and sports radio stations have covered EXC than the UFC because of the "first national mma broadcast" aspect. Everything I have read on blogs and seen for myself have convinced that is true.

Evan

10-10-2008, 09:06 PM

If you watch Inside MMA on HDnet catch tonights episode and turn to the 24 minute mark. They even address this...right after I posted my point!

desflood

10-10-2008, 09:10 PM

Alright somebody add this bitch up and tell us who WON?? :p:
We need cornbread or Leonard, damn it all. None of the rest of us are swift enough to follow all that.

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 09:15 PM

We need cornbread or Leonard, damn it all. None of the rest of us are swift enough to follow all that.

Well the hell with you then. Next time Evan and i want to have a pissing contest we'll take it to a back alley somewhere :p:

Evan

10-10-2008, 09:17 PM

Well the hell with you then. Next time Evan and i want to have a pissing contest we'll take it to a back alley somewhere :p:

:lol

:toast

Could stuff my friend...pleasure arguing with you.

desflood

10-10-2008, 09:19 PM

Well the hell with you then. Next time Evan and i want to have a pissing contest we'll take it to a back alley somewhere :p:
Please don't misunderstand me. It was a great pleasure to watch you two play "que mas macho" today.

Evan

10-10-2008, 09:21 PM

Please don't misunderstand me. It was a great pleasure to watch you two play "que mas macho" today.

I killed off half my work day. That has all kinds of victory written all over it.

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 09:28 PM

:lol

:toast

Could stuff my friend...pleasure arguing with you.

Oh yeah and we weren't fighting just having a good debate. If everyone is going to agree on this forum, it will be awful boring

BTW did you get Iron Man on BlueRay?? I know last week you said you were getting it on NetFlix. That movie is Bad-ASS!!

Evan

10-10-2008, 09:32 PM

No dammit...I got a new check card and forgot to update netflix so my account canceled Wednesday and I didn't even realize it.

So I am back up and running today but it won't ship until Monday even though I updated my account at about 6 am today...wtf?!

I heard that movie is stunning in glorious HD.

Evan

10-10-2008, 09:44 PM

So I am back up and running today but it won't ship until Monday even though I updated my account at about 6 am today...wtf?!.

speak of the devil.......

Friday, October 10, 2008 9:42 PM
From:
"Netflix" <[email protected]>
Add sender to Contacts
To:
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Need help? Give us a call.

Dear Evan,

We're glad you're a Netflix member, but we've had some trouble authorizing your Visa ending in ****.

To keep your movies coming, try this:

1) Go to: https://www.netflix.com/CreditCard
2) Enter your current credit card information again or use a different card
3) Click on the "Update Credit Card" button

That should do it.

If you have any questions, we're happy to help. Just call 1-877-638-3549 any day of the week.

-The Netflix Team

guess I typed in a digit wrong...that explains it.

Evan

10-10-2008, 09:48 PM

:bang

and now forgetting sarah marshall is on "long wait" and it was good to go this morning

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 09:50 PM

:bang

and now forgetting sarah marshall is on "long wait" and it was good to go this morning

Didn't like that one, saw it in theatres, nothing special.

Evan

10-10-2008, 09:53 PM

Yeah I've heard mixed things

but I laugh at everything since I am about as easily amused as a infant that fires off a fart in a fresh diaper.

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 09:59 PM

Yeah I've heard mixed things

but I laugh at everything since I am about as easily amused as a infant that fires off a fart in a fresh diaper.

:lol

dbreiden83080

10-10-2008, 10:22 PM

:bang

and now forgetting sarah marshall is on "long wait" and it was good to go this morning

Well the movie is not a total loss

http://www.complex.com/assets/galleries/2527/bell10.jpg

:toast

Evan

10-11-2008, 08:51 AM

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kkYC8TBzmmQ

Video: Dana White explains the Elite XC scandal to the average person

By Zach Arnold | October 11, 2008 | Print This

In this two-minute video clip, Dana White lays out what the Elite XC scandal is all about to the average human being (from his point of view). The part of this interview that should resonate the most with the MMA media is the situation regarding betting on fights at the Vegas casinos involving Elite XC matches. White explains, in simple terms, why the Elite XC “stand-up” scandal matters and has teeth to it.

Note how direct Dana White is in terms of his accusatorial tone against Elite XC. He flat out goes after them in this video. This is such a strong statement that Elite XC either needs to release an official statement responding to White’s comment or they should sue him. The more pressure Dana White applies publicly on the story, the further this scandal will escalate and the more critical the response will be for Elite XC to answer these charges effectively.

TheTruth

10-11-2008, 08:55 AM

Dana White FTW. Sue him. He will own their asses after it's all over.

Evan

10-11-2008, 08:57 AM

Dana White FTW. Sue him. He will own their asses after it's all over.

Yeah no doubt.

TheTruth

10-11-2008, 08:59 AM

Which wouldn't be a bad thing. I wish some of those fighters were in the UFC.

Evan

10-11-2008, 09:03 AM

And now Lappen contradicts himself for the 5th time...now he admits they paid Seth in advance to stand.

Regarding the controversy over whether EliteXC paid Petruzelli a bonus (or, as some would call it, a bribe) to keep the fight on his feet, I pointed out to Lappen that he had seemed to contradict himself about what, exactly, EliteXC offered Petruzelli.

Lappen was quoted by Sports Illustrated as saying that EliteXC does not give submission bonuses, while he was quoted by ESPN as saying that Petruzelli was offered a submission bonus. Lappen said both stories misquoted him.

"They're both wrong," Lappen said. "We have given submission bonuses in the past but they're not as common as knockout bonuses. If the question is, 'Have we ever given submission bonuses?' The answer is yes. But we give knockout bonuses more often. We gave Seth a knockout bonus before the fight started. That was part of the deal."

dbreiden83080

10-11-2008, 02:01 PM

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kkYC8TBzmmQ

LOL, AHH Dana

:lmao

Well i don't always agree with him but certainly i do here. If this is all true EXC needs to just go away. Get shut down, or shut themselves down. Probably the quicker they go away the quicker we can forget about them and just get back to real fights, with actual great fighters.

dbreiden83080

10-11-2008, 02:04 PM

And now Lappen contradicts himself for the 5th time...now he admits they paid Seth in advance to stand.

Jesus Christ

Someone tell these clowns to just stop talking already. Everyday they look fucking more guilty and pathetic.

Evan

10-11-2008, 02:37 PM

Jesus Christ

Someone tell these clowns to just stop talking already. Everyday they look fucking more guilty and pathetic.

someone at CBS needs to get them all together and tell EVERYBODY TO S.T.F.U!

The mantra of "If you love MMA then you don't want anyone to fail" no longer applies with EXC. The sooner they go away the better.

BlackSwordsMan

10-11-2008, 03:40 PM

damn I watched dana clip like 4 times

Evan

10-11-2008, 03:43 PM

damn I watched dana clip like 4 times

Dana should have cut out the language but he can't help himself. That clip could have ended up on some more general media sites.

BlackSwordsMan

10-11-2008, 03:44 PM

nah it was perfect

Evan

10-11-2008, 03:46 PM

:king

dallaskd

10-11-2008, 03:56 PM

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kkYC8TBzmmQ

:tu

hahahaha

oligarchy

10-12-2008, 02:42 PM

I love dana videos..

Zrz2zSjBGXA

Evan

10-12-2008, 05:53 PM

You can always count on Greg Cote of The Miami Herald to be a blithering idiot:

Kimbo Slice’s loss in 14 seconds during that EliteXC mixed martial arts card in Sunrise has spawned allegations the outcome may have been predetermined. Gee, there’s a shock. That’s like shouting ”Fix!” at Wrestlemania? (Kimbo should please go away now. His 15 minutes and 14 seconds of fame are up).

Tom Seals of The Wichita Eagle in Kansas lumps in the Elite XC scandal with MMA in general:

If you’re a fast-growing, relatively new sport wondering how you can gain even wider mainstream acceptance, here’s a tip: Don’t go all professional wrestling on us.

Don’t use a script for your matches. Don’t allow your matches to be fixed. And while you’re at it, don’t even give the appearance that your matches might be fixed.

Yes, we mean you, mixed martial arts.

John Whistler of The San Antonio Express-News proclaims the ’stand-up’ scandal to be MMA’s first big scandal (uh… guess he missed out on various drug test failures and a mafia scandal):

For the first time, ultimate fighting is facing allegations of fight fixing. And while there’s no reason to believe it won’t survive even if the claims prove to be true, MMA will suffer a severe blow to its credibility.

The sport always has prided itself on its legitimacy and always pointed to this when people compared it to boxing.

Make no mistake: Shenanigans much worse than this have occurred in boxing over the years, and nothing has been able to kill off that sport.

But this is the last thing MMA or its legions of young, energetic fans needed right now.

Evan

10-12-2008, 10:36 PM

Speaking of Elite XC, Michael David Smith of AOL Fanhouse has a note about Jeremy Lappen. This is an important update, as MDS asks Josh Gross of SI as to whether or not he ‘misquoted’ Lappen (as Lappen recently claimed). The report claims that there is audio of what Lappen said to Gross.

from fightopinion.com

ownage

claiming a reporter lied is pretty bad....especially when the reporter has pretty clear evidence "you" lied.

Evan

10-13-2008, 07:49 AM

Thanks to Elite XC, a sports writer compares MMA to the XFL
By Zach Arnold | October 13, 2008 | Print This

In the Fort-Worth Star Telegram, no less:

The MMQB doesn’t mean to preach, and we are not prudes, but we can’t envision any circumstances when MMA would be seriously considered major network fare. The primary reason is that NBC tried this gambit in 2001 with the XFL, which was the brain child of Vince McMahon — impresario of World Wrestling Entertainment — who thought a trash-talking football league that basically encouraged unsportsmanlike-like conduct and featured cheerleaders that make the Cowboys cheerleaders look overdressed would bring boffo ratings in primetime on Saturday nights.

… People who follow MMA say that one of the problems is that ole Kimbo and female star Gina Carano are the only fighters with star appeal.

Which prompts us to offer this bit of advice to CBS and EliteXC: Take a page from the WWE playbook and just script it so that Kimbo and Gina never lose. We don’t think anyone watching will care.

dbreiden83080

10-13-2008, 12:13 PM

BlackSwordsMan

10-13-2008, 12:22 PM

If he replaced mma and put elite xc I would agree with him

Evan

10-13-2008, 12:29 PM

"People who follow MMA say that one of the problems is that ole Kimbo and female star Gina Carano are the only fighters with star appeal"

:lmao

This is why i can't take this nonsense seriously. That is about the dumbest shit i have ever read right there.

which goes back to one of my previous comments on how the mass media is picking up on this and haven't a clue what the difference is between MMA, UFC and EXC.

And I agree BlackSwordsMan

dbreiden83080

10-13-2008, 12:55 PM

which goes back to one of my previous comments on how the mass media is picking up on this and haven't a clue what the difference is between MMA, UFC and EXC.

And I agree BlackSwordsMan

I understand Evan, really i do. But like i said we have a typical over-reaction here to this story and what will sell is trying to lump MMA into this as a whole. Of course they know what the difference is. But trashing EXC is not spicy enough, trashing MMA and killing the sport will get more attention. In this era of dying newspapers, internet bloggers, up the ass, millions of people with opinions vying for attention in the market, talking shit is the only thing that sells anymore. I am not worried about this at all. In 5 weeks when Brock is fighting Randy, that will be the biggest thing going on in the MMA world. This is HOT right now, it won't last.

Evan

10-13-2008, 01:09 PM

I understand Evan, really i do. But like i said we have a typical over-reaction here to this story and what will sell is trying to lump MMA into this as a whole. Of course they know what the difference is. But trashing EXC is not spicy enough, trashing MMA and killing the sport will get more attention. In this era of dying newspapers, internet bloggers, up the ass, millions of people with opinions vying for attention in the market, talking shit is the only thing that sells anymore. I am not worried about this at all. In 5 weeks when Brock is fighting Randy, that will be the biggest thing going on in the MMA world. This is HOT right now, it won't last.

I'm not sure whatsoever what the lasting impact will be although I lean to you being right.

To me that’s not the point so much, for me that it happened at all is what infuriates me. MMA was doing just fine until boxing got involved. As a once-upon-a-time massive boxing fan its pretty sad to see this. That’s why it bothers me more than most.

dbreiden83080

10-13-2008, 01:18 PM

I'm not sure whatsoever what the lasting impact will be although I lean to you being right.

To me that’s not the point so much, for me that it happened at all is what infuriates me. MMA was doing just fine until boxing got involved. As a once-upon-a-time massive boxing fan its pretty sad to see this. That’s why it bothers me more than most.

I understand but sports survive scandals, they have had too at one time or another. I think looking back on this 10 years from now, EXC will certainly be gone and it will be just a side-show of a dark chapter in MMA history. Perpetuated by clowns that didn't get what MMA is all about

Evan

10-13-2008, 01:24 PM

You know who may be effed more than anyone by this is Tito. I wonder if CBS is now scared to fund any high priced free agent after this mess.

dbreiden83080

10-13-2008, 01:30 PM

You know who may be effed more than anyone by this is Tito. I wonder if CBS is now scared to fund any high priced free agent after this mess.

Yeah and Tito desperately needs a big fight and win against someone in the next year if he wants to stay on the radar. I think if he gets that surgery and comes back a little healthier, i'd love to see him whip Frank Shamrock's ass. I want to see him back in the UFC but i actually think Dana is so spiteful with him, he won't ever let him back in.

ATRAIN

10-13-2008, 01:35 PM

"People who follow MMA say that one of the problems is that ole Kimbo and female star Gina Carano are the only fighters with star appeal"

:lmao

This is why i can't take this nonsense seriously. That is about the dumbest shit i have ever read right there.

LOL thing about those 2 is that Gina can actually fight even though I know EXC is prob going to try and keep her pretty face away from harm.

ATRAIN

10-13-2008, 01:35 PM

Evan

10-13-2008, 01:36 PM

Yeah and Tito desperately needs a big fight and win against someone in the next year if he wants to stay on the radar. I think if he gets that surgery and comes back a little healthier, i'd love to see him whip Frank Shamrock's ass. I want to see him back in the UFC but i actually think Dana is so spiteful with him, he won't ever let him back in.

I wouldn't worry about that…Lorenzo has so much more to do with day to day ops now that ever before. Randy back is all about Loranzo, not Dana. All of those little youtube video blogs out to show a much better side of Dana? Lorenzo's idea.

In Tito's book he praises Lorenzo so he has always left open a door and rumor has Lorenzo offerring Tito one last shot at a contract a few days before his last fight.

So IMO…I feel strongly Tito will be back one day….

Frank?Such a wild card. I think they still have a lawsuit going actually.

ATRAIN

10-13-2008, 01:47 PM

I wouldn't worry about that…Lorenzo has so much more to do with day to day ops now that ever before. Randy back is all about Loranzo, not Dana. All of those little youtube video blogs out to show a much better side of Dana? Lorenzo's idea.

In Tito's book he praises Lorenzo so he has always left open a door and rumor has Lorenzo offerring Tito one last shot at a contract a few days before his last fight.

So IMO…I feel strongly Tito will be back one day….

Frank?Such a wild card. I think they still have a lawsuit going actually.

Really why? Also can Frank fight with Braces on?