Call it now- The Bonner Debate

[remingtonbo2001]

I'm drawing the line in the sand.

How will Matt Bonner do this season?

Will he be successful?

Or will he bust?


IMO, I believe he will succeed.

[tav1]

I vote bust to the tune of traded by February.

[urunobili]

Trade Fodder

[rascal]

Trade Fodder


In what way will he be a success? Getting off the bench for 5 minutes a game! What are you expecting from Bonner to be called a success?

Agree. I see him packaged in a trade for another low end reserve type player.

[Hemotivo]

Success

[TDMVPDPOY]

cannon fodder

[Indazone]

He will be traded

[Bruno]

Bonner will be a solid player for Spurs this year. Nothing outstanding but he will be decent. I see him averaging 7/4 in 20mpg with some DNP-CD when the matchup is bad for him.
I particularly don't think he will be outplayed by Tolliver or that Spurs will try to dump him. Spurs won't shop him around the league but he could be traded in the right deal as salary filler.

For a $3M per year player, it isn't that bad.

[Obstructed_View]

Players who are viewed unfavorably by the coaching staff don't redeem themselves in this organization. If Bonner does it he'll be the first.

[benefactor]

Starts OK...starts screwing up...out the door.

[nkdlunch]

he is already a bust. Like when Beno was a bust years before he was traded, same shit with Rasho. I don't know why this front office takes a while to dump white boys who need to be gone sooner

[mrspurs]

In all honesty bonner came in and hustled his butt off. but for the most part was lost, who knows maybe after a season and some camp time he wont get lost. its his defense that sat him down towards the end and in the PO's. he also had no post game, he reminds me of horry. all i wanna do it shoot from the arc. thats not gonna help timmy out one bit. Like all the bigs pop brings in they sit in his doghouse or get traded the following season.

[Obstructed_View]

all i wanna do it shoot from the arc. thats not gonna help timmy out one bit.

You don't actually watch the Spurs, do you?

[PDXSpursFan]

Trade Bonner by Beno :D

[Anti.Hero]

Dude is a bust.

He's slow, can't defend (has improved but still sucks), can't post up, and has weak court vision. The last being his biggest weakness.

[JamStone]

Wake up to it every morning and don't got a problem with it. But, it can be distracting and sometimes even embarrassing for instance at a meeting or in church.

Oh wait. Nevermind.

[I. Hustle]

I see him as a success.
























Successfully traded

[vander]

Players who are viewed unfavorably by the coaching staff don't redeem themselves in this organization. If Bonner does it he'll be the first.

sad but true

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

He will be demoted to Pop's beard groomer.

[I. Hustle]

He will be demoted to Pop's pube groomer.

/fixed

[spurs50_]

Bonner will be more productive than Horry has been in the last couple of years. For some reason Pop loves the old guys, if given a chance, bonner will put up decent numbers..

[VaSpursFan]

bust....trade fodder. me thinks tolliver might beat him out.

[remingtonbo2001]

In what way will he be a success? Getting off the bench for 5 minutes a game! What are you expecting from Bonner to be called a success?

Agree. I see him packaged in a trade for another low end reserve type player.


Bonner will be a solid player for Spurs this year. Nothing outstanding but he will be decent. I see him averaging 7/4 in 20mpg with some DNP-CD when the matchup is bad for him.
I particularly don't think he will be outplayed by Tolliver or that Spurs will try to dump him. Spurs won't shop him around the league but he could be traded in the right deal as salary filler.

For a $3M per year player, it isn't that bad.

In this instance, Bruno's definition would qualify as success.

I believe Bonner will be a major contributor, some nights, when the matchup is right.

However, as Bruno suggest, there will be nights when Bonner recieves the DNP-CD.

If Bonner can provide solid performances during his time on the court, I believe his size and abilities will be intrigual to the team's success.

[rascal]

If he is in the rotation for 20 minutes a game and averages 7/4 the spurs are in trouble. If he averaged 20 minutes per game that would only mean there would be significant injuries to the frontcourt players.

[BlackSwordsMan]

hopefully trade for barry

[galvatron3000]

whatever he does I hope they can trade him later this year. I think they'll trade him for a second round pick or possibly a player by Feb. As far as him being helpful(success) he will have to be in order for him to get traded as I stated. He'll help out a bit but I doubt it is enough to keep him from being traded.

[ElNono]

I only have two games from last season still on my DVR. The season opener, with the ring ceremony, and the game against NJ from March this year.
Bonner actually played quite a bit on the opener, because Horry was missing with family issues back then, and we didn't have Thomas yet. He played terrible. I was watching it two days ago, and man, did he look lost out there. He got outhustled on defensive boards by the Portland bigs, and on offense, he rarely would get a offensive board, since he just always pretty much runs to the 3pt lane once somebody penetrates. Rotations were terrible too.
He was already not part of the rotation in March, even though Horry didn't play that game (second night of a back-to-back). Thomas, Tim and Oberto manned the paint that game.

[barbacoataco]

When you look at the roster as it is now--- Thomas, Oberto, Duncan, Bonner and Mahinmi are the bigs. If Mahinmi winds up not ready, or a china doll, then I don't see how Bonner won't get minutes. The Spurs tighten to a three man C/PF rotation in the playoffs, but use four players in the regular season. Maybe Bonner will have a career year. Anything is possible.

[I Love Me Some Me]

define success.

[remingtonbo2001]

define success.

Already did.

Please read through the thread.

[century]

Bonner will suck. Can't play D. Spurs have no use for that kind of player. Bonner's minute will decrease as the season progresses. They'll be trying to trade him in no time.

[jack sommerset]

I love the fact alot of you think he will have success. I really love the fact alot of you think he can be traded. :lol

The only way he will get traded is if he is in a package which means Timmmmmmmmmay, Parker or Mangoo is traded. The guy is worthless.

[timvp]

This is a tough vote. On one hand, I think that Bonner can be productive enough. He's a good shooter who can hustle and rebound. On the other hand, his basketball IQ to date has been amazingly low and Pop's trust at him is shaky at best.

He's capable of succeeding but I'm not sure Pop will give him enough rope to make it happen. It also depends on how Tolliver plays. If he's the dead-eye he was in summer league, that would make it even tougher on Bonner.

[Tully365]

Is there any other end-of-the-bench guy in the league that draws the obsessive concerns of his fans the way Matt Bonner does? Hilarious.

[Obstructed_View]

To my knowledge, Pop has given exactly one player rope since he's been the coach. Bonner isn't turning into that guy any time soon.

[Budkin]

He's terrible. That's been obvious since he's been here. Bust.

[ehz33satx]

Starts OK...starts screwing up...out the door.

You know, I don't think it is a matter of Bonner screwing up last year. It was more Coach Pop deciding to ride Horry and hoping for more late game heroics. Pop is extremely loyal to the vets. He went with a one armed Nick Van Exel, forsaking the development and skills of Beno Udrih. Both Bonner and Udrih are good players. Hell, Bonner had a 25 point and 17 rebound performance against Golden State in Duncans absence! But he and Udrih got kicked to the curb so Pop could squeeze as much out of Horry and Van Exel as he could. Given adequate playing time both could produce more than they are given credit for. Pop is a great coach, but his blind loyalty gets in the way alot of the time, which has lost us many a game and maybe another title or two.

[exstatic]

Bonner may be able to pick up some of Horry's offense, but Horry was a tough hombre on defense and a halfway decent shotblocker. Matt has neither of those attributes.

FAIL

[Manufan909]

He'' more than pick up Horry's offense and then some. Scoring more than 4 pts or whatever Horry avged last season won't be hard. I'm with you on defense though, dude made Okur look like a slasher in the Manu 37pt game.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I think he'll succeed. Not a lot he needs to do, about 6.5 & 4 should do it.

[baseline bum]

Bust. His ceiling is probably ok regular season player who craps himself in the playoffs.

[diego]

i dont understand why people are posting numbers, especially per game numbers, to argue his potential success (we all agree, he doesnt have to become olajuown to help this team).

bonner's two biggest problems are consistency and defense, and neither translates well to numbers. a lot of it has to with IQ and confidence, and he hasnt shown much of either in his time here. Getting 7 and 4 in under 20 minutes would be nice, but picking up dumb fouls and playing bad defense will negate the positive. so i vote failure, but i do hope he does well.

[2centsworth]

anyone who runs like frankenstein is going to have a hard time in the NBA.

BUST

[AC#21_TD ERA]

If he get's out of the stinking dog house and gets consistent minutes then he'll be a success. Obviously if your not getting minutes how are you supposed to peform? Look what Bonner did when he filled in for Duncan.

[byrontx]

Bonner has a banner year!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I picked Bonner to find his feet last year, but he didn't. I'm not giving him a second chance. He'll play quite a bit in the first few months of the season to showcase him, then he'll be traded.


In all honesty bonner came in and hustled his butt off. but for the most part was lost, who knows maybe after a season and some camp time he wont get lost. its his defense that sat him down towards the end and in the PO's. he also had no post game, he reminds me of horry. all i wanna do it shoot from the arc. thats not gonna help timmy out one bit. Like all the bigs pop brings in they sit in his doghouse or get traded the following season.

You continue to prove what an idiot you are... so, we need PFs with post games so they can push TD outta there, and accurate 3pt shooting doesn't help make space for Tim? GTFO. :rolleyes

[SequSpur]

I am kind've on the fence on this one.

[remingtonbo2001]

I am kind've on the fence on this one.

:lol That would be a first.

[Manufan909]

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, with no one of similar skills above him. If Tolliver AND Ian beat him out for serious minutes, then he doesn't deserve to be here.

[Avitus1]

I think he'll pull it off and be a success and manage to avoid the doghouse.

[DaBears]

Matt Bonner should and will be a success this year just like the past. Energy and hustle get you in the lineup.

[Spooky]

I hope Bonner is successful enough early in the season to be traded.

[m33p0]

he'll have his chance.

[jn77]

I think he will be a mild success. He was finding his feet last year before he got hurt. He needs to work on his defense, and his shot blocking, but I think he will do fine.

[Manufan909]

Yeah he was pretty solid in the first half of last season, and in 07, in the time he had.

[rascal]

Yeah he was pretty solid in the first half of last season, and in 07, in the time he had.

So solid he ended up not being able to get off the bench late last year.

[Obstructed_View]

So solid he ended up not being able to get off the bench late last year.

That has less to do with Bonner than it does with the guy who decides who gets off the bench.

[remingtonbo2001]

Bump...

:)

[z0sa]

Nice .. I'm glad some were at least optimistic about Bonner.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

He will be demoted to Pop's beard groomer.

Well it seems I was wrong. It's evident from the care and pride that Pop takes in his beard that being appointed his beard groomer was a promotion to a place of honor.

[phyzik]

nice bump! I voted success back then BTW, its italicized :)

Success votes: AC#21_TD ERA, Avitus1, barbacoataco, Biernutz, Bondlady22, braeden0613, Bruno, bus driver, byrontx, Cherry, cherylsteele, cocoball, dbestpro, Fermixalot, ginobilized, Hemotivo, honestfool84, I Love Me Some Me, IronMexican, jn77, koriwhat, Lebowski Brickowski, lurker23, m33p0, Manudona, Manufan909, Mr.Bottomtooth, MrChug, outmap, phyzik, remingtonbo2001, Rynospursfan, SAGambler, shelshor, Sissiborgo, Spooky, Spurs Brazil, spurs50_, SpursFanFirst, spursrocksocks, Supergirl, Taco, timaios, tp2021, vander, WildcardManu, YODA

Bust votes:50 cent, ambchang, AnotherArgie, Anti.Hero, baseline bum, Behrooz24, benefactor, BlackSwordsMan, Budkin, Cant_Be_Faded, century, CubanMustGo, diego, DoornicK, ElNono, exstatic, Fabricio Oberto, ginobili_is_god, greywheel, I. Hustle, Indazone, intlspurshk, jack sommerset, jaffies, Kill_Bill_Pana, knee-knee-3, LaMarcus Bryant, manufor3, mathbzh, mrspurs, Newton, nkdlunch, PDXSpursFan, rascal, SenorSpur, Silly Beer, Slippy, Stump, tav1, Texas_Ranger, tomtom, Toni61, Twisted_Dawg, urunobili, VaSpursFan, vy65, Walton Buys Off Me, Warlord23, xcoriate, xtremesteven33

[urunobili]

:lol at timvp and other 10k+ posters not adopting position on this poll :lol

[Obstructed_View]

I wish Pop had tried the "just shut up" experiment when Beno was still here.

[Obstructed_View]

:lol at timvp and other 10k+ posters not adopting position on this poll :lol

Just because I didn't vote in it doesn't mean I didn't have a position. The poll itself didn't fit with mine. Success is determined by the coach, and bust is determined by the player. I've always said that Bonner can play but the coach won't give him a chance. Seems I was right on both fronts. Again.

[Manufan909]

That has less to do with Bonner than it does with the guy who decides who gets off the bench.

+1

I would've mentioned Pop's hard on for Horry(stupid silent h), but whatevz.
:toast

EDIT: Glad to see I supported bonner, even I didn't remembering voting in this thread.

[remingtonbo2001]

Just because I didn't vote in it doesn't mean I didn't have a position. The poll itself didn't fit with mine. Success is determined by the coach, and bust is determined by the player. I've always said that Bonner can play but the coach won't give him a chance. Seems I was right on both fronts. Again.

:lol

Next time I'll be sure to add Option C (Both)- Success is determined by the coach, and bust is determined by the player.

[m33p0]

nice bump! I voted success back then BTW, its italicized :)

Success votes: AC#21_TD ERA, Avitus1, barbacoataco, Biernutz, Bondlady22, braeden0613, Bruno, bus driver, byrontx, Cherry, cherylsteele, cocoball, dbestpro, Fermixalot, ginobilized, Hemotivo, honestfool84, I Love Me Some Me, IronMexican, jn77, koriwhat, Lebowski Brickowski, lurker23, m33p0, Manudona, Manufan909, Mr.Bottomtooth, MrChug, outmap, phyzik, remingtonbo2001, Rynospursfan, SAGambler, shelshor, Sissiborgo, Spooky, Spurs Brazil, spurs50_, SpursFanFirst, spursrocksocks, Supergirl, Taco, timaios, tp2021, vander, WildcardManu, YODA

Bust votes:50 cent, ambchang, AnotherArgie, Anti.Hero, baseline bum, Behrooz24, benefactor, BlackSwordsMan, Budkin, Cant_Be_Faded, century, CubanMustGo, diego, DoornicK, ElNono, exstatic, Fabricio Oberto, ginobili_is_god, greywheel, I. Hustle, Indazone, intlspurshk, jack sommerset, jaffies, Kill_Bill_Pana, knee-knee-3, LaMarcus Bryant, manufor3, mathbzh, mrspurs, Newton, nkdlunch, PDXSpursFan, rascal, SenorSpur, Silly Beer, Slippy, Stump, tav1, Texas_Ranger, tomtom, Toni61, Twisted_Dawg, urunobili, VaSpursFan, vy65, Walton Buys Off Me, Warlord23, xcoriate, xtremesteven33
i see a familiar name here. :toast

[z0sa]

I didn't have the internet ... or this thread wouldve gotten plenty of z0sa love a long time ago !!

[DannyT]

Just because I didn't vote in it doesn't mean I didn't have a position. The poll itself didn't fit with mine. Success is determined by the coach, and bust is determined by the player. I've always said that Bonner can play but the coach won't give him a chance. Seems I was right on both fronts. Again.

true true

[Obstructed_View]

:lol

Next time I'll be sure to add Option C (Both)- Success is determined by the coach, and bust is determined by the player.

If you want to do an ESPN style "call this" poll that has poorly thought out options, then you deserve praise for a job well done. Bonner is a good player who was being shackled to the bench by a guy playing Overcoach who was micromanaging him; something he had done to other players in the past. A better poll would have had the options "Pop will let him play" or "He will be traded for nothing like Beno".

Your options don't fit in with the observations that I made.

[remingtonbo2001]

you deserve praise for a job well done

Thank you, thank you, thank you. :)

[Obstructed_View]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. :)

You're welcome. I was trying to find a way to throw you some praise. Even though I didn't vote in the poll, I was glad for the discussion that it brought up.

[z0sa]

If you want to do an ESPN style "call this" poll that has poorly thought out options, then you deserve praise for a job well done. Bonner is a good player who was being shackled to the bench by a guy playing Overcoach who was micromanaging him; something he had done to other players in the past. A better poll would have had the options "Pop will let him play" or "He will be traded for nothing like Beno".

Your options don't fit in with the observations that I made.

You honestly don't know how good it feels that someone else understands what Bonner went through.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The jury is still out on Bonner, IMO. Yes, he's exceeded my expectations at this point, but all this good play in December won't be worth a lot if he can't play at a decent level when the competition gets stiffer and the games start to count. That's when a player named Robert Horry used to actually start to punch the clock. Bonner has some huge shoes to fill in that regard.

However, he has played himself into a more valuable trading commodity which I can honestly appreciate. Kudos to Matt for his newfound success this year! I hope he keeps it up! :tu

[tp2021]

Success votes: AC#21_TD ERA, Avitus1, barbacoataco, Biernutz, Bondlady22, braeden0613, Bruno, bus driver, byrontx, Cherry, cherylsteele, cocoball, dbestpro, Fermixalot, ginobilized, Hemotivo, honestfool84, I Love Me Some Me, IronMexican, jn77, koriwhat, Lebowski Brickowski, lurker23, m33p0, Manudona, Manufan909, Mr.Bottomtooth, MrChug, outmap, phyzik, remingtonbo2001, Rynospursfan, SAGambler, shelshor, Sissiborgo, Spooky, Spurs Brazil, spurs50_, SpursFanFirst, spursrocksocks, Supergirl, Taco, timaios, tp2021, vander, WildcardManu, YODA

Bust votes:50 cent, ambchang, AnotherArgie, Anti.Hero, baseline bum, Behrooz24, benefactor, BlackSwordsMan, Budkin, Cant_Be_Faded, century, CubanMustGo, diego, DoornicK, ElNono, exstatic, Fabricio Oberto, ginobili_is_god, greywheel, I. Hustle, Indazone, intlspurshk, jack sommerset, jaffies, Kill_Bill_Pana, knee-knee-3, LaMarcus Bryant, manufor3, mathbzh, mrspurs, Newton, nkdlunch, PDXSpursFan, rascal, SenorSpur, Silly Beer, Slippy, Stump, tav1, Texas_Ranger, tomtom, Toni61, Twisted_Dawg, urunobili, VaSpursFan, vy65, Walton Buys Off Me, Warlord23, xcoriate, xtremesteven33

Although, he didn't start playing lights-out until after I jumped off the wagon, so...


Bonner Sucks! Trade him and Vaughn for a superstar!
:smokin

[NFGIII]

Go Bonner - his play is one of the reasons TD and Co. has been able to thrive. His ability as of now to hit the outside shot (first in 3pt shooting!!:wow), rebound and play D (who'd of thunk it???:hat), has spread the court and made TD's job a whole lot easier. I have no idea if this is going to continue but for now I'm enjoying the ride. I just hope Matt has finally figured out his role and fills it for the long haul. For all the crap he has had to go through it's nice to see him having the recent success .

Keep it going!!

[SpurSupremacist]

Damn. It is too bad I missed this thread while making my other one. What a shame. There are some classic lines on here.

[tomtom]

damn i was totally wrong. honestly didnt know he had it in him

[Yorae]

Is there any other end-of-the-bench guy in the league that draws the obsessive concerns of his fans the way Matt Bonner does? Hilarious.

None. Only him, that's how strong Bonner Power is. Ahoo!

[Yorae]

Base on his previous games, he will be a success.....





Actually, he will be so good he will be a 'success story of the year'!!!! TV shows whill feature his life story, he will be invited by Ophra and David Letterman for guesting because of his miracle life (like surviving cancer)!!!!! Oh yeah!!


Oh did I just wrote that??? Help!!! I'm possessed!!!! Too much Bonner Power!!! Arghhh (cough cough cough).....