anti-american.......

[clambake]

.......i guess colin powell just made the list.

how will his endorsement affect the vote from military bases?

[romad_20]

.......i guess colin powell just made the list.

how will his endorsement affect the vote from military bases?

Probably not. Maybe some officer's votes.

[Purple & Gold]

The military is not as Republican as they would like you to think.

[Clandestino]

nah, the military is very strong republican. they also believe in having your people's back. powell proved he can't be trusted.. hey, it will probably get him another cabinet spot. i guess that is why he was called an uncle tom before.

[sook]

nah, the military is very strong republican. they also believe in having your people's back. powell proved he can't be trusted.. hey, it will probably get him another cabinet spot. i guess that is why he was called an uncle tom before.

your a complete douche bag, that was almost as bad as rush saying it was because they were both black

[Purple & Gold]

nah, the military is very strong republican. they also believe in having your people's back. powell proved he can't be trusted.. hey, it will probably get him another cabinet spot. i guess that is why he was called an uncle tom before.

Nope the Military is not as Repub as they would like you to think. I would also like to hear how easy they make it to vote to those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And how did Powell prove he can't be trusted, other than the whole UN/WMD's? Sounds like he was trustworthy and faithful to a fault.

[SnakeBoy]

The military is not as Republican as they would like you to think.

I remember Dems saying that 4 years ago. 70 somethin percent went for Bush.

I think Powell's endorsement may have some pull with independents but not so much with military members. He's always been veiwed more as an office general not a soldiers general. If Schwarzkopf had endorsed Obama then I think that would have had a much greater impact with active duty military.

[Purple & Gold]

I remember Dems saying that 4 years ago. 70 somethin percent went for Bush.

I think Powell's endorsement may have some pull with independents but not so much with military members. He's always been veiwed more as an office general not a soldiers general. If Schwarzkopf had endorsed Obama then I think that would have had a much greater impact with active duty military.

They make it very hard to vote if you are deployed or serving oversees. Almost to the point where it seems they are discouraging it (my opinion). Most Officers are Repubs, but a large number of EM's are not. It's just much easier for Officers to get access to things like that.

[Anti.Hero]

The anti/pro american remark is referring to two types of Americas. Each side loving a different one.

[Purple & Gold]

The anti/pro american remark is referring to two types of Americas. Each side loving a different one.

Whaaaat??

[Anti.Hero]

There is a wide spectrum of value systems in America. The mainstream ever-encroaching liberal value system that is taking over and the more humble hard-working conservative value system found in most small towns.

Each putting a different emphasis on different aspects of American culture. That's what she was referring to when she said anti-American/pro-American. One side has a view of what America should be while the other is chipping away at it taking it in a new direction.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

I think he actually believes that.

[Purple & Gold]

There is a wide spectrum of value systems in America. The mainstream ever-encroaching liberal value system that is taking over and the more humble hard-working value system found in most small towns.

Each putting a different emphasis on different aspects of American culture. That's what she was referring to when she said anti-American/pro-American.

How is one pro-American and one anti-American?? She specifically said that small towns fight the wars and are pro America, while big city people don't fight for their country and are anti America. It's pretty obvious to me that she's saying people from metropolitan areas are not good Americans and want the country to fail. That sure is news to me.

[Anti.Hero]

:lol

I think he actually believes that.

What do you disagree with?

[Purple & Gold]

:lol

I think he actually believes that.

I sure hope not :wow :wow

[Purple & Gold]

What do you disagree with?

How are big city people Anti-American and small town people Pro-American? Tons of big city people work hard everyday and fight for their country. I really don't see how one can be a good American and another a bad one.

And what exactly are American values that are not practiced in the big city??

[bobbyjoe]

There is a wide spectrum of value systems in America. The mainstream ever-encroaching liberal value system that is taking over and the more humble hard-working conservative value system found in most small towns.

Each putting a different emphasis on different aspects of American culture. That's what she was referring to when she said anti-American/pro-American. One side has a view of what America should be while the other is chipping away at it taking it in a new direction.

:wow

If this is what Palin believes, she's more ignorant and polarizing than even the liberal media has portrayed her to be.

[ChumpDumper]

What do you disagree with?Your loaded characterizations for starters.

Second, your assumption that you know what she's talking about when she doesn't even know.

And just the general ridiculousness of it all. I can't believe you are such a willing sock puppet for people who really couldn't give less of a crap about you.

[Anti.Hero]

How are big city people Anti-American and small town people Pro-American? Tons of big city people work hard everyday and fight for their country. I really don't see how one can be a good American and another a bad one.

And what exactly are American values that are not practiced in the big city??

It's not big city small city. A small town "redneck" can be just as embarrassed that a big-city liberal is viewed as a represenation of America as the big-city liberal is embarrased by the small town "redneck". That's just an example.

[Purple & Gold]

It's not big city small city. A small town "redneck" can be just as embarrassed that a big-city liberal is viewed as a represenation of America as the big-city liberal is embarrased by the small town "redneck". That's just an example.

Well that's exactly what Palin says it is. And what exactly are these American values that liberals are so against?

[Anti.Hero]

Your loaded characterizations for starters.

Second, your assumption that you know what she's talking about when she doesn't even know.

And just the general ridiculousness of it all. I can't believe you are such a willing sock puppet for people who really couldn't give less of a crap about you.

A sock puppet? I'm just thinking outloud on an interview I heard earlier today discussing media focuses and what they don't talk about. You disagree that the liberal value system and conservative value system differ? You disagree that therefore one could view the other as anti-American because of the difference in which direction America should go in?

[Purple & Gold]

A sock puppet? I'm just thinking outloud on an interview I heard earlier today discussing media focuses and what they don't talk about. You disagree that the liberal value system and conservative value system differ? You disagree that therefore one could view the other as anti-American because of the difference in what direction America should go in?

So basically if somebody disagrees with whatever values one has, they are Anti-American??

[ChumpDumper]

A sock puppet? I'm just thinking outloud on an interview I heard earlier today discussing media focuses and what they don't talk about. You disagree that the liberal value system and conservative value system differ? You disagree that therefore one could view the other as anti-American because of the difference in which direction America should go in?I don't think they differ as much as campaign managers and talk radio hosts and bloggers would like everyone to think.

[Anti.Hero]

So basically if somebody disagrees with whatever values one has, they are Anti-American??

It's not THEY ARE, it's just simply they could be viewed as such by another party.

I'm not thinking "anti-America" as in you hate America. I'm thinking of "anti-American" as in your ideologies are not a good representation of what "America" is.

I'm basing this all off the 10 mins I watched of the view today while Joy was crying about being offended by the remark and then a later interview I heard on the radio that brought up the different value system discussion. I won't lie, I watch the beginning of the view every once in a while :lol :depressed

[Nbadan]

Olberman on the Republican version of 'two-Americas'....

Fg_2ypr18NE

[balli]

Wow- Anti Hero, Clandestino- you guys are fucking cocksuckers. Clandestino- you're just a bigoted fuck. And Hero, what gives you the right to decide who's ideology is representative of what "America really is", and then label the opposition as "un-american"? You're a fucking joke.

[Anti.Hero]

Olberman on the Republican version of 'two-Americas'....

Fg_2ypr18NE

I watched up to 4:38. Olberman is such a partisan hack he can't dive deeper into the subject because he is still caught up in Bush's "you are unpatriotic if you don't support the war" bit.

[Anti.Hero]

Wow- Anti Hero, Clandestino- you guys are fucking cocksuckers. Clandestino- you're just a bigoted fuck. And Hero, what gives you the right to decide who's ideology is representative of what "America really is", and then label the opposition as "un-american"? You're a fucking joke.

What gives me the right? Why is a right needed? It does nothing and is just a thought. People label others in their heads all day. That's human nature.


Can't have a grown up conversation because you are still caught up in your anti-conservative monkey flinging mode.

I'm mellowed out right :hat now and just describing how people might be thinking on a subject that is buried in partisan knee-jerk mode where the same old shit just gets rehashed and people don't think about this other layer.

[balli]

What gives me the right? Why is a right needed? It does nothing and is just a thought. People label others in their heads all day. That's human nature.


Can't have a grown up conversation because you are still caught up in your anti-conservative monkey flinging mode.

I'm mellowed out right :hat now and just describing how people might be thinking on a subject that is buried in partisan knee-jerk mode where the same old shit just gets rehashed and people don't think about this other layer.

That's fine if you're words are spoken calmly, but they're venomous nonetheless. Whether you agree with it or not, you shouldn't try to justify labeling the left and consequently, me personally, as un-American in the name of thinking on a somehow deeper "layer". :rolleyes

Un-American is not the euphemism for "not representing the real America" that you think it is. It's slanderous, untrue, propaganda of the most hurtful and vile nature... no matter how hard you try to justify "what it really means" on "this other layer". So yeah you take solace in staying mature while labeling others as anti-american. I'll stay immature and keep calling you a fucking joke.

Besides, you're just wrong about how much of a "small town" country America really is. That war's over, the "small-town" culture and morale of the 50's has lost... a long time ago- so get over it.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1840388,00.html

Sarah Palin's Myth of America
By JOE KLEIN Wednesday, Sep. 10, 2008

Sarah Palin has arrived in our midst with the force of a rocket-propelled grenade. She has boosted John McCain's candidacy and overwhelmed the presidential process in a way that no vice-presidential pick has since Thomas Eagleton did the precise opposite — sinking his sponsor, George McGovern, in 1972. Obviously, something beyond politics is happening here. We don't really know Palin as a politician yet, whether she is wise or foolhardy, substantive or empty. Our fascination with her — and it is a nonpartisan phenomenon — is driven by something more primal. The Palin surge illuminates the mythic power of the Republican Party's message since the advent of Ronald Reagan.

To start with the obvious, she's attractive. Her husband ("And two decades and five children later, he's still my guy...") is a hunk. They have a gorgeous family, made more touching and credible by the challenges their children face. Her voice is more distinctive than her looks: that flat, northern twang that screams, I'm just like you! Actually, the real message is: I'm just like you want to be, a brilliantly spectacular ... average American. The Palins win elections and snowmobile races in a state that represents the last, lingering hint of that most basic Huckleberry Finn fantasy — lighting out for the territories. She quoted Westbrook Pegler, the F.D.R.-era conservative columnist, in her acceptance speech: "We grow good people in our small towns ..." And then added, "I grew up with those people. They're the ones who do some of the hardest work in America, who grow our food and run our factories and fight our wars. They love their country in good times and bad, and they're always proud of America."

Except that's not really true. We haven't been a nation of small towns for nearly a century. It is the suburbanites and city dwellers who do the fighting and hourly-wage work now, and the corporations who grow our food. But Palin's embrace of small-town values is where her hold on the national imagination begins. She embodies the most basic American myth — Jefferson's yeoman farmer, the fantasia of rural righteousness — updated in a crucial way: now Mom works too. Palin's story stands with one foot squarely in the nostalgia for small-town America and the other in the new middle-class reality. She brings home the bacon, raises the kids — with a significant assist from Mr. Mom — hunts moose and looks great in the process. I can't imagine a more powerful, or current, American Dream.

Nearly 50 years ago, in The Burden of Southern History, the historian C. Vann Woodward argued that the South was profoundly different from the rest of America because it was the only part of the country that had lost a war: "Southern history, unlike American ... includes not only an overwhelming military defeat but long decades of defeat in the provinces of economic, social and political life." Woodward believed that this heritage led Southerners to be more obsessed with the past than other Americans were — at its worst, in popular works like Gone With the Wind, there was a gagging nostalgia for a courtly antebellum South that never really existed.

During the past 50 years, the rest of the country has caught up to the South in the nostalgia department. We lost a war in Vietnam; Iraq hasn't gone so well either. And there are two other developments that have cut into the sense of American perfection. The middle class has begun to lose altitude — there isn't the certainty anymore that our children will live better than we do. More important, the patina of cultural homogeneity that camouflaged 1950s suburbia has vanished. We have become more obviously multiracial. There are lifestyle choices that were nearly unimaginable in 1960 — the widespread use of the birth control pill, the legalization of abortion, the feminist and gay-rights revolutions, the breakdown of the two-parent family. With the advent of television, these changes became inescapable. They intruded upon the most traditional families in the smallest towns. The political impact was a conservative reaction of enormous vehemence.

Enter Reagan. His vision of the future was the past. He offered the temporal pleasures of tax cuts and an unambiguous anticommunism, but his real tug was on the heartstrings — it was "Morning in America." The Republican Party of Wall Street faded before the power of nostalgia for Main Street ... at least a Main Street that existed before America began losing wars, became ostentatiously sexy and casually interracial. In his presidential debate with Jimmy Carter, Reagan talked about an America that existed "when I was young and when this country didn't even know it had a racial problem." The blinding whiteness and fervent religiosity of the party he created are an enduring testament to the power of the myth of an America that existed before we had all these problems. The power of Sarah Palin is that she is the latest, freshest iteration of that myth.

The Republican Party's subliminal message seems stronger than ever this year because of the nature of the Democratic nominee for President. Barack Obama could not exist in the small-town America that Reagan fantasized. He's the product of what used to be called miscegenation, a scenario that may still be more terrifying than a teen daughter's pregnancy in many American households. Furthermore, he has thrived in the culture and economy that displaced Main Street America — an economy where people no longer work in factories or make things with their hands, but where lawyers and traders prosper unduly. (Of course, this is the economy the Republican Party has promoted — but facts are powerless in the face of a potent mythology.) Obama is the precise opposite of Mountain Man Todd Palin: an entirely urban creature. He lives within the hilarious conundrum of being both too "cosmopolitan" and intellectual for Republican tastes — at least as Rudy Giuliani described it — while also being the sort of fellow suspected of getting ahead by affirmative action.

The Democrats have no myth to counter this powerful Republican fantasy. They had to spend their convention on the biographical defensive: Barack Obama really is "one of us," speaker after speaker insisted. Really. Democrats do have the facts in their favor. Polls show that Americans agree with them on the issues. The Bush Administration has been a disaster on many fronts. The McCain campaign has provided only the sketchiest policy proposals; it has spent most of its time trying to divert the national conversation away from matters of substance. But Americans like stories more than issues. Policy proposals are useful in the theater of presidential politics only inasmuch as they illuminate character: far more people are aware of the fact that Palin put the state jet on eBay than know that she imposed a windfall-profits tax on oil companies as governor and was a porkaholic as mayor of Wasilla.

So Obama faces an uphill struggle between now and Nov. 4. He has no personal anecdotes to match Palin's mooseburgers. His story of a boy whose father came from Kenya and mother from Kansas takes place in an America not yet mythologized, a country that is struggling to be born — a multiracial country whose greatest cultural and economic strength is its diversity. It is the country where our children already live and that our parents will never really know, a country with a much greater potential for justice and creativity — and perhaps even prosperity — than the sepia-tinted version of Main Street America. But that vision is not sellable right now to a critical mass of Americans. They live in a place, not unlike C. Vann Woodward's South, where myths are more potent than the hope of getting past the dour realities they face each day.

[Anti.Hero]

It's just the background mumblings of the country that don't get discussed much because people are caught up on political correctness.