Tank 2008-09

[Ghost Writer]

Manu's out until December-ish.

The top teams in the West are a year more experienced, healthier and/or added a new impact player. (Don't make me go into the specifics again.)

The Spurs obviously can't or are unwilling to bring in an impact player. The team is very old and some would argue, ineffective.




Fvck it. Let's tank!



Look at the Spurs' track record in seasons where they really sucked... it netted us not one, but two #1 all-franchise lottery picks.

Again, not your run-of-the-mill #1s.... we are talking about MVP-caliber centers that you can build a team around for a decade!



So I say pack it in early this year. Even with the Big 3 at 100%, I don't see the Spurs getting past the Jazz or Rockets and certainly not the Lakers or Hornets this year.


Tank now. Hope for another #1. Come back next year with the Big Three at full strength in Duncan's latter part of his career. Give it another try with a lottery pick in the starting lineup.



It will be beautiful. Do it now instead of pathetically dragging out 3-5 more painful playoff appearances.


Tank and begin the next era, while still winning.




It's time to start thinking about a succession strategy here. The lottery is how the Spurs get good.

[exstatic]

[Bookmarking this bitch for later abuse]

[jack sommerset]

They do have a history for doing that.

[K...]

Who owns our first round pick?

[mexicanjunior]

If our first rounder is lottery protected, and nothing is done to improve this team's rebounding and defense by the trade deadine...I would be all for it.

[Spork KIller]

They do have a history for doing that.

Cheater mothr fu....!

[Ghost Writer]

Please do bookmark it.


Why is this idea so outlandish?

Would you rather let Duncan carry the burden of a lackluster lineup for the next 4-5 years and then wind up in the lottery...


... or tank this year and go into the lottery while we still would have 3-4 more years of Duncan?




Remember that David Robinson guy? If the Spurs don't tank the year he hurt his back, then there's no Duncan and no titles.

We'd be the team formerly known as the Sonics right about now. Or worse. They made deal to get Ray Allen a few years ago. We can't so things like that.




Tank! It the only way to stay good.

[benefactor]

3 games in...unbelievable.

[Ghost Writer]

3 games in...unbelievable.

How long did it take to lose 2 at home last season?


What nerve of you and the front office to lose like we did last year and have the audacity to tread water, while Horry and Barry moved on.


That takes b@lls.

[Admiral]

So let me get this straight, Ghost: you want to take the season so that we can maybe get an impact player in the draft, despite the fact that we have:

One of the league's top five big men
One of the league's top five point guards
One of the league's top five swingmen

ON THE SAME TEAM?!?

Name a time in franchise history when we have had a core like that. David Robinson couldn't even dream of having that type of support from two other guys, much less the nice selection of role players Duncan has. Seriously, have you forgotten how far we've come as a franchise?

I don't think we were far off last year, so conventional wisdom suggests that we don't need wholesale changes. Just make a smart deal or two, but nothing over the top. And we certainly don't need to tank the season! But most fans here already knew that.

[yavozerb]

The spurs 1st round pick is lottery protected, otherwise it belongs to the sonics..

[benefactor]

Whatever. You are a disgrace and bring nothing worth discussing to the table. I might have to consider that ignore function after all.

[Ghost Writer]

I don't think we were far off last year, so conventional wisdom suggests that we don't need wholesale changes. Just make a smart deal or two, but nothing over the top. And we certainly don't need to tank the season! But most fans here already knew that.

Phooooooooooooooo.


I'll humor you, Ad. What is the likelihood that the front office can make one "smart deal"?

I mean, what do the Spurs have to offer?



Tank. The big three have been matched by the Lakers, Hornets and Rockets and maybe even the Jazz "big three."



The difference is that our other players are putrid in comparison. I'll give you the Jazz... AK-47 is 6th man. But You can match the Spurs big 3 with the other top contenders and any advantage the Spurs might have (barring injury and age) is offset by the terrible supporting cast.










Tank 08-09

[Allanon]

The problem with the tank this year is there aren't any Franchise prospects, so far.

This looks like another "Andrew Bogut #1 draft pick" year.

Maybe Ricky Rubio will be in the draft, there's 1 talented high schooler (Brandon Jennings) that went to Europe and maybe he'll be back. But it looks to be a very slim draft.

[Ghost Writer]

Whatever. You are a disgrace and bring nothing worth discussing to the table. I might have to consider that ignore function after all.

Nothing worth discussing?


The truth hurts, b1tch.

0-2 at home for a proud franchise.


I deal in facts.

[mVp]

Let's just wait till Manu comes back and see what happens...

Also, I hope Vaughn, Bonner and Finley won't play extended minutes anymore :S

[xtremesteven33]

:flipoff

[Ghost Writer]

Wait until Manu comes back and hope 3/4ths of the regular rotation is benched by old man Pop?


Pass the chronic.

[Solid D]

I almost tanked one time, when I was 5 years old, but no. I said a stern word to myself, I toughened-up and I did not wet my pants even though it would have felt good. :smokin

[JamStone]

The problem with the tank this year is there aren't any Franchise prospects, so far.


But, if you think about it, the Spurs don't need another "franchise" player. But, if they get one of the best small forwards or centers in the draft, even if he's not a franchise star, with Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili, that's probably enough.

Maybe an Earl Clark or a Hasheem Thabeet... neither a franchise player, but both would step right in seamlessly and immediately make the Spurs much, much better, younger, more athletic without disrupting the pecking order offensively.

Not that I'm advocating tanking, but with a team like the Spurs, they wouldn't need a franchise player, just a really, really good player to fill in some of their needs right now.

[Ghost Writer]

How else are the Spurs supposed to win again in the Duncan era and establish a succession strategy if we don't tank one of these seasons?

If anyone suggests clearing cap space like in 2003, I will slap the cess out their mouth. I told you dummies that no star players would take the bait to willingly come to San Antonio to play even for max money.



How do you think we'll a) win another title with Duncan, and b) stay a contender as his career winds down?


Question.









We have to tank!

[Allanon]

But, if you think about it, the Spurs don't need another "franchise" player. But, if they get one of the best small forwards or centers in the draft, even if he's not a franchise star, with Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili, that's probably enough.

Maybe an Earl Clark or a Hasheem Thabeet... neither a franchise player, but both would step right in seamlessly and immediately make the Spurs much, much better, younger, more athletic without disrupting the pecking order offensively.

Not that I'm advocating tanking, but with a team like the Spurs, they wouldn't need a franchise player, just a really, really good player to fill in some of their needs right now.

That is a good point, I didn't think of it that way. With their Big 3, the Spurs don't necessarily need a Franchise player.

It just seems like a huge waste to tank a season and get a blue-collar kind of guy which doesn't clearly put you over the top.

[Admiral]

You do realize that tanking the season to get a lottery pick next year would taint the astounding success our franchise has enjoyed over the last 20 years, don't you? Even if tanking would guarantee a superstar (which it won't), is it really worth the consequences? I say no way.

Tanking the season is the wussy way out of it.

[Mr. Body]

The only way to keep our 2009 draft pick, which we foolishly traded away for an over-and-done Kurt Thomas.

[Mr. Body]

It's not a question of chosing to tank. They might just tank naturally.

[DROB4EVER]

Not a good start to the season, the spurs need to make a move to get better up front in a hurry or just trade duncan. Why have him around and suck untill he calls it quits?

Bonner is a disgrace! We are not a playoff team with him getting major mins.

I guess Pops figured KT is crap so he had him at the end of the bench tonight.

Bowen still sucks, and vaughn is average at best.

[SequSpur]

Spurs aren't good enough to tank a season.

[exstatic]

Nothing worth discussing?


The truth hurts, b1tch.

0-2 at home for a proud franchise.


I deal in facts.

You deal in hysteria, and always have. Hell would be being you.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Thread of the Year!!!




Honestly, Ghost, who is it that you have on your 2009 draft radar that the Spurs should "tank" for this season?

You're ludicrulous.

[m33p0]

oh please, do shut the fuck up.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You do realize that tanking the season to get a lottery pick next year would taint the astounding success our franchise has enjoyed over the last 20 years, don't you? Even if tanking would guarantee a superstar (which it won't), is it really worth the consequences? I say no way.

Tanking the season is the wussy way out of it.

We don't need to tank, we're sucking ass right now and the team is actually trying.

As long as Pop plays his senior citizens heavily (Bowen, Thomas, Bonner, Finley), there's a fairly decent chance we continue to lose (until Manu gets back anyway).

Tim and Tony are playing great, but they can't cover for all the geriatric fuckers who are getting turnstyled defensively every trip down.

[JamStone]

Hasheem Thabeet would be a nice lottery pick to fit on the Spurs. Great size and actually runs the court really well for a big guy. Would immediately help with rebounding, and could erase some mistakes defensively with shot blocking. Plus, he wouldn't really disrupt the offense, which still will be in the capable hands of Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili. But, he would probably help with second chance opportunities with offensive rebounding.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm not sure who even rates as the top SF prospect in the class of 2009 (still some time for that to play out), but whoever it is would be the target.

Of course, the Spurs front office hasn't done shit to address the SF spot for 5 years now so I probably shouldn't count on them to grow a fucking brain all of a sudden.

Give Bowen another five year deal [/Pop] :lol

[mouse]

I like the way Ghost waits till the Spurs lose a few games to try and give his opinions.

If you thought the season was worth tanking you would say so after you witness the off season and the injury of Manu.

And if you didn't know enough about the Spurs until they played 4 games then you have no business acting like you know Spurs.

In any case your a poor excuse of a Spurs fan to even toss in the towel this early in the season.

There are many NBA Championship teams that won the year they started off their season with 4 loses.

Tanking the season is not a bad idea it got the spurs Tim Duncan, but you need to say so Like I did weeks before the season started,not now, after the fact.

[ChumpDumper]

Not unexpected.

[mrspurs]

[Bookmarking this bitch for later abuse]

thats typical coming from you. your not here for the spurs. your here just to play like the playbabies. your done....welcome number 121 on my ignore list.

[Killakobe81]

That is a good point, I didn't think of it that way. With their Big 3, the Spurs don't necessarily need a Franchise player.

It just seems like a huge waste to tank a season and get a blue-collar kind of guy which doesn't clearly put you over the top.

Both great points fellas but if spurs are only one more player away why tank make a trade you don't have a lot of assets outside of the big 3 but if you could trade let's say Manu and Bowen for a third star most in the league love Manu outside of tm and TP he is the most valuable piece

[Ghost Writer]

I have been down on the Spurs for year for only getting older instead of better.

The sensible thing to do is tank. Why fight just to get eliminated by the younger, more talented teams?


Still think I am crazy?

We're looking at OT against the Timberwolves.

Show me the silver-and-black lining on this cloud.

[Admiral]

Of course, the Spurs front office hasn't done shit to address the SF spot for 5 years now so I probably shouldn't count on them to grow a fucking brain all of a sudden.

Stephen Jackson sure would be nice right now. FWIW, I still think he's a better player than Manu.

Flame away! :lol

[kobe_bryant]

thats typical coming from you. your not here for the spurs. your here just to play like the playbabies. your done....welcome number 121 on my ignore list.

:lmao

[kobe_bryant]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc11/joejam414/Bubba%20Chuck/BubbaCollage-1.jpg

u mean number #1

[ShoogarBear]

http://www.nba.com/media/act_ian_mahinmi.jpg

[hater]

once Manu + Mahinmi are back I see a pretty decent team

[underdawg]

once Manu + Mahinmi are back I see a pretty decent team

nope - Spurs should have signed Maggette, J.R. Smith and Pargo. They wasted money on Mason and a pick on Hill. Our FO has no clue what they're doing - they've only won titles because of luck due to lottery picks.

Seriously, it kills me how stupid and naive fans can be when they make rash judgements based on their own knowledge of the NBA and team make up. I'm not a NBA scout or GM, so I tend to trust successful FO's when they've always made surprising decisions and they continue to do so. I don't understand it, but as a fan I don't need to. Spurs targeted Mason over the past couple of years and while I'll agree they possibly did have Batum above Hill I think they made the right decision when the pick came up. I can't believe that this team is a bad team right now - there's just not enough chemistry and flow to work in the system that we have. If that comes together and we get some more players healthy, things will click and we will be competitive. To suggest that this team should tank the season is probably the most cowardly thing I've ever heard a fellow Spurs fan suggest.

[m33p0]

nope - Spurs should have signed Maggette, J.R. Smith and Pargo. They wasted money on Mason and a pick on Hill. Our FO has no clue what they're doing - they've only won titles because of luck due to lottery picks.

FO made a push on magette but signed with someone else. smith is too much of a risk. 26 pts today says Money is money.


To suggest that this team should tank the season is probably the most cowardly thing I've ever heard a fellow Spurs fan suggest.
:tu

[TDMVPDPOY]

1-81 is still doable, do it pop

[Manufan909]

Phooooooooooooooo.


I'll humor you, Ad. What is the likelihood that the front office can make one "smart deal"?

I mean, what do the Spurs have to offer?



Tank. The big three have been matched by the Lakers, Hornets and Rockets and maybe even the Jazz "big three."



The difference is that our other players are putrid in comparison. I'll give you the Jazz... AK-47 is 6th man. But You can match the Spurs big 3 with the other top contenders and any advantage the Spurs might have (barring injury and age) is offset by the terrible supporting cast.
Tank 08-09

What do you know, he somehow even lost more cred saying the Jazz have a Big 3, they only have two, you dumb shit. When opposing fans(Xylus, Mavs fans) tell ST posters to put down the gun, that should be a wakeup call for all. But not Ghost. 4% in, and he's ready to throw in the towel!!!

[spursnatic]

I don't see any good prospects to tank for?...And plus if we was to get a good draft pick, our dumb ass GM would give him away to the SUNS or ROCKETS!!!!FUCK THAT!!!!:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt2::flag:

[angelbelow]

its pretty bullshit when spurs fans say "we should have signed maggettte/we should have brought in splitter/we should have drafted batum" its all fucking bullshit. grow the fuck up.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I actually totally agree with Ghost Writer, except I think we should play all of our young players all freakin season, and take whatever record and standing we get. We will not make the playoffs if we do that, so we'll still be a lottery team.

It makes no sense to try your hardest, risk injury, and make the 6th spot only to get trounced by the Lakers and be in the same exact position next year, when you can rest up, get a good pick, and be in a better position next year.

Then again, with what we've seen from our FO the past few years, we can be assured that they would manage to fuck it up by picking Tyler Hansborough's little red-headed brother or something.

[xellos88330]

Man, there is so much anger on these forums. So the Spurs are 1-3. Who cares. I think the team will be great this year. If the Spurs pull off a great season and who knows, wins the title, I do not understand how you all can participate in the festivities with a clear conscience. Either cheer for your team, or don't cheer at all.

[fotan2]

it is feasible to do so . but if i were the FO , i will not make any decisions until 20 games . by the way , who will be on 09 draft , Ricky Rubio ?

[MarHill]

Phooooooooooooooo.


I'll humor you, Ad. What is the likelihood that the front office can make one "smart deal"?

I mean, what do the Spurs have to offer?



Tank. The big three have been matched by the Lakers, Hornets and Rockets and maybe even the Jazz "big three."



The difference is that our other players are putrid in comparison. I'll give you the Jazz... AK-47 is 6th man. But You can match the Spurs big 3 with the other top contenders and any advantage the Spurs might have (barring injury and age) is offset by the terrible supporting cast.










Tank 08-09


Again another silly thread by another spoiled Spurs fan!

First of all...it is already four games into the season and you already want to tank the season.

Second, I don't think Roger Mason, George Hill and Tolliver are a putrid supporting cast. Also when Ian comes up....it has added some youth and athleticism to our ball club.

Third, when Manu comes back that will make our bench another man deeper.

It's amazing when all the success this franchise has had and now they have some adversity....oh well just give up the season or trade Tony or Manu.

Incredible!!

Pop hasn't even figure out his rotations yet and he is still seeing what he has in the younger players.....yet!!

Oh....the difference in the Spurs Big 3 and everyone else (except the Celtics) is they have three championships. I like this team chances (if they are all healthy) to compete for the championship.

Someday...this golden age of the Spurs will end and I hope all spoiled Spurs fans will appreciate what we have!!

Yikes!!

[PURO SAN ANTO 210!]

Let See Whut Hapins When This Team Is All Healthy N Get Everybody Gets Gellin! But Tank No Way!

[Ghost Writer]

What do you know, he somehow even lost more cred saying the Jazz have a Big 3, they only have two, you dumb shit. When opposing fans(Xylus, Mavs fans) tell ST posters to put down the gun, that should be a wakeup call for all. But not Ghost. 4% in, and he's ready to throw in the towel!!!

Hey, retard.

If you read the post of mine that you quoted, you would see that I discounted the Jazz, because AK-47 comes off the bench.

So what exactly are you arguing, because everything in the post of mine that you quoted is true?


D1ckhe@d.

[Ghost Writer]

We need to lose those 2-OT games against teams like the Wolves if we are going to win another #1 lottery pick.

We can't afford to let Minnesota have more ping-pong balls!

The Spurs can't even get tanking right.

[bus driver]

Manu's out until December-ish.

The top teams in the West are a year more experienced, healthier and/or added a new impact player. (Don't make me go into the specifics again.)

The Spurs obviously can't or are unwilling to bring in an impact player. The team is very old and some would argue, ineffective.




Fvck it. Let's tank!



Look at the Spurs' track record in seasons where they really sucked... it netted us not one, but two #1 all-franchise lottery picks.

Again, not your run-of-the-mill #1s.... we are talking about MVP-caliber centers that you can build a team around for a decade!



So I say pack it in early this year. Even with the Big 3 at 100%, I don't see the Spurs getting past the Jazz or Rockets and certainly not the Lakers or Hornets this year.


Tank now. Hope for another #1. Come back next year with the Big Three at full strength in Duncan's latter part of his career. Give it another try with a lottery pick in the starting lineup.



It will be beautiful. Do it now instead of pathetically dragging out 3-5 more painful playoff appearances.


Tank and begin the next era, while still winning.




It's time to start thinking about a succession strategy here. The lottery is how the Spurs get good.

get off the bus! :bang

[Ghost Writer]

Get on the tank bus.

Unless you really think that the Spurs can win this year with all things being equal

- or -

You actually believe that the Spurs front office will find a way to replace Duncan before the team naturally erodes in the downshift of his career.





Tanking is the only reasonable alternative.

We would not be having this conversation if not for tanking the 1996-97 season.

Winning lotteries is how the Spurs have been successful.

[FromWayDowntown]

You actually believe that the Spurs front office will find a way to replace Duncan before the team naturally erodes in the downshift of his career.

You actually believe that it's possible for the Spurs to replace Tim Duncan? Really?

This is your silly fascination with the completely unrealistic notion that the Spurs will just miraculously come up with the next "Top 5 Big Man of All-Time" and never miss a beat.

[Ghost Writer]

You actually believe that it's possible for the Spurs to replace Tim Duncan? Really?

This is your silly fascination with the completely unrealistic notion that the Spurs will just miraculously come up with the next "Top 5 Big Man of All-Time" and never miss a beat.

Is it really man fantasy?

Or is it your delusion and the rest of the Spurs homers?

I have a very healthy and realistic knowledge of how the Spurs won their titles.

And guess what?

It's because they won two lotteries that yielded two all-franchise big men.

Not once.

Twice.

And it seems like that is the front office's plan for continued growth.

So why wait until Duncan's viability deteriorates?

Tank now, as the Spurs did in 1996-97 when the team was hit with injuries (have you looked at the Spurs injury report lately?) and come back next year with a lottery pick and Duncan with a couple more good years left!

It wouldn't be so far-fetched if it wasn't exactly how the Spurs became a perennial favorite.

[FromWayDowntown]

Is it really man fantasy?

Or is it your delusion and the rest of the Spurs homers?

You actually believe that there's "the next Tim Duncan" out there and that he's going to keep the Spurs on top of the league if the Spurs just tank this season?

Who, praytell, is that player?

Oh, and while you're at it, convince me that the dude is more Duncan, Shaq or Lebron than Olowokandi, Bogut, Brown, or Bargnani.


I have a very healthy and realistic knowledge of how the Spurs won their titles.

And guess what?

It's because they won two lotteries that yielded two all-franchise big men.=

Sure, but not all lotteries yield all-franchise big men. See above.


Not once.

Twice.

Yup. They got very lucky twice. They also picked hella good players in Parker and Ginobili and have routinely filled in around that core with role players who get the job done. In fact, that formula has worked to win the last 3 of the Spurs 4 titles (more than all but three clubs in NBA history).


And it seems like that is the front office's plan for continued growth.

I'd dispute that. I think the front office's plan is to try to stay good for as long as possible while Duncan is on the roster, realizing that the time will come for a complete rebuilding when Duncan retires.


So why wait until Duncan's viability deteriorates?

Because competitors don't quit? Because there are no guarantees that you'll hit gold again in the lottery? Because there's reason to think that the Spurs could still actually compete for titles?


Tank now, as the Spurs did in 1996-97 when the team was hit with injuries (have you looked at the Spurs injury report lately?) and come back next year with a lottery pick and Duncan with a couple more good years left!

Great idea. You've seen the immediate impacts that all of this year's lottery picks have had in the league -- it's the surest thing ever.

Oh, and I'm not sure that you're factually correct in calling 1996-97 a tank, unless you think David Robinson should have just played through that broken foot. 1996-97 demonstrated just how reliant the Spurs team of that time frame were on David Robinson to even have a chance; when David was injured -- and he was legitimately injured -- that team had zero chance.

[MarHill]

You actually believe that there's "the next Tim Duncan" out there and that he's going to keep the Spurs on top of the league if the Spurs just tank this season?

Who, praytell, is that player?

Oh, and while you're at it, convince me that the dude is more Duncan, Shaq or Lebron than Olowokandi, Bogut, Brown, or Bargnani.



Sure, but not all lotteries yield all-franchise big men. See above.



Yup. They got very lucky twice. They also picked hella good players in Parker and Ginobili and have routinely filled in around that core with role players who get the job done. In fact, that formula has worked to win the last 3 of the Spurs 4 titles (more than all but three clubs in NBA history).



I'd dispute that. I think the front office's plan is to try to stay good for as long as possible while Duncan is on the roster, realizing that the time will come for a complete rebuilding when Duncan retires.



Because competitors don't quit? Because there are no guarantees that you'll hit gold again in the lottery? Because there's reason to think that the Spurs could still actually compete for titles?



Great idea. You've seen the immediate impacts that all of this year's lottery picks have had in the league -- it's the surest thing ever.

Oh, and I'm not sure that you're factually correct in calling 1996-97 a tank, unless you think David Robinson should have just played through that broken foot. 1996-97 demonstrated just how reliant the Spurs team of that time frame were on David Robinson to even have a chance; when David was injured -- and he was legitimately injured -- that team had zero chance.


Thank you....From Way Downtown!

Some spoiled Spurs fans think that Tim Duncan types grow on trees. Also, why are we in such a rush to even entertain the though of tanking the season!!

Are spoiled Spurs fans that bored with success? Yikes!!

Since 2003, this team has averaged at least 55 wins with Duncan, Parker, Ginobili becoming the significant pieces of the team. The real big 3 have at least made to the Western Conference Semifinals in that time period. Oh by the way they are the last western conference team to win the NBA Finals. Hmmm.....

I could see if the Spurs had drop down to a seven or eight seed or didn't make the playoffs in the last year or two (AKA Miami Heat). But that has not happen!!!!!

Lastly, sometimes in life when you try to intentionally do something it usually comes back to bite in the butt!

Wow!!

[FromWayDowntown]

I miss the Ghost Writer who thought "Win Now, Worry Later."

Someone must have stolen that dude's password -- this "Worry Now, Win Later" guy has bad takes.

[Ghost Writer]

FWD, I appreciate your taking the time to post the optimistic counterpoint.

I will never feel confident that this front office is doing everything they can to capitalize on the good fortune of Robinson and then Duncan.

Yes, Ginobili and Parker were terrific discoveries and I have acknowledged the front office for those 2 finds.

And I know that Duncans and Robinsons don't grow on trees. That is my point.

The front office seems to take Duncan for granted, because we've seen them put the bare minimum around him aside from Ginobili (2nd round) and Parker (late first round).


I firmly believe at least 7 titles could have been won in Duncan's tenure. We could analyze every painful playoff exit if you'd like.




You never get frustrated when you think about the playoff exist that could be directly linked to a generally old, tired, injury-prone and/or ineffective supporting cast?

Question.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

FromWayDowntown usually goes out of his way to make solid posts, but I'm gonna have to side with this GhostWriter character on this one.
I don't take it as us finding the next Duncan in the lottery, but rather finding another good player that can help Duncan rebound and defend better than The Invisible Man.

[Spurtacus]

Looks like we'll be 1-4 soon. Parker could be out for weeks too.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Looks like we'll be 1-4 soon. Parker could be out for weeks too.

And we're getting beat by a team being coached by Erik Estrada.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

nope - Spurs should have signed Maggette, J.R. Smith and Pargo. They wasted money on Mason and a pick on Hill. Our FO has no clue what they're doing - they've only won titles because of luck due to lottery picks.


You're an idiot. Maggette signed for more money than we could offer him.

Smith was restricted and Denver was willing to pay for him up to the MLE, which is what we had to offer. Pargo took the money and went to Russia.

Posters like you have no clue what you're talking about - you think our front office operates in some alternate universe with no salary cap and no collectiev bargaining agreement rules to work under.



Seriously, it kills me how stupid and naive fans can be when they make rash judgements based on their own knowledge of the NBA and team make up. I'm not a NBA scout or GM, so I tend to trust successful FO's when they've always made surprising decisions and they continue to do so.

:lmao

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I don't get it, so does AHF think we should play duncan 48 minutes a game for a sure-fire non championship season or not?

[Ghost Writer]

Corey Maggette would be Derek Anderson all over again. Another "me first" swingman from the Clippers who is all about getting paid and putting up numbers and not defense or the team concept.









I am still waiting for answers to my previous post.

[rascal]

Looks like we'll be 1-4 soon. Parker could be out for weeks too.

Whats the injury to Parker?

[remingtonbo2001]

So, can we take the tanking roll call already?

[Ghost Writer]

How long before you people grasp the concept of me suggesting that the Spurs tank the season?

1. No tradeable commodities (contracts, picks or talent).

2. Next year's 1st rounder goes to OKL if we make the playoffs.

3. The team is old.

4. The front office is either inept or unwilling to trade for better talent.

5. The way the Spurs won their titles was to win the lottery... twice.




How else do you presume we'll get better?

[ChumpDumper]

We grasp the concept.

We just don't care.

[Mr. Body]

How long before you people grasp the concept of me suggesting that the Spurs tank the season?

1. No tradeable commodities (contracts, picks or talent).

2. Next year's 1st rounder goes to OKL if we make the playoffs.

3. The team is old.

4. The front office is either inept or unwilling to trade for better talent.

5. The way the Spurs won their titles was to win the lottery... twice.




How else do you presume we'll get better?


I pretty much agree. If they make the playoffs, they'll get knocked off fairly quickly, maybe first round. Sad point about tanking, though, is this year's draft is awful.

[Ghost Writer]

We grasp the concept.

We just don't care.

Speak for yourself, you apathetic pvssy.



Well, you keep jerking off to the Toros and step out of this conversation if you have nothing of value to add to it.

Take a stand for once, ChampDamper.



I hate you fence straddling, dispassionate homers.

You have no idea or appreciation how lucky we Spurs fans are to have landed Duncan and Robinson are are complacent while the front office does just enough damage to the roster to put us in a position where tanking seems like a seriously viable option for continued success.

[Harry Callahan]

This team isn't tanking right now and it is 1-4 because 2 of its top 3 players are now out for an extended period of time. An inability to score along with leaky defense is a recipe for disaster.

Making the lottery this year is not a stretch at all given the current state of the roster.

BTW - Hill was better than Chalmers tonight.

[ChumpDumper]

My stand, Casper?

Don't tank.

And go fuck yourself, you worthless, phony, ungrateful piece of shit.

[Ghost Writer]

Oh, wow.

"Don't tank."

And how do you propose we get better... cultivate the Toros?


Kill yourself.

[spurster]

All we need is TD to get injured and the tanking will be easy.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, wow.

"Tank."

Fuck yourself.

[SequSpur]

You can actually say pussy Ghost....

It's true, if it wasn't for the lottery, Duncan would've never moved to San Antonio.

San Antonio fucking sucks as a city, it's slightly better than Utah, but not much...

The lottery is the key, because they ain't signing shit else.

[Ghost Writer]

Thank you, Sequ.

Perhaps if Chump keeps his head in the sand long enough, he'll suffocate and die.



Getting lucky in the draft has become the front office's calling card.

We should encourage the team to take the year off.

I'm still p1ssed they won in double overtime vs. the Wolves. Assuming the Spurs do the smart thing and tank, Minnesota will have lots of lottery balls, too.


I have no desire to watch the Spurs toil all year to get bounced, like the final years of Stockton-Malone.

[ChumpDumper]

So don't watch, bitch.

You will not be missed.

[Harry Callahan]

The Spurs could definitely get their guys back and play great in December and throughout the second half of the season. I'm afraid an awful start will be too much to overcome in the Western Conference.

[Ghost Writer]

Waaaah.


You still have not opined one single suggestion for how the Spurs can keep the championship window open.



And if you say "sign a Toro," I will flamethrow you all over this board, you gutless conservative.

[Ghost Writer]

The Spurs could definitely get their guys back and play great in December and throughout the second half of the season. I'm afraid an awful start will be too much to overcome in the Western Conference.

Exactly.

So why bother?

At full strength, our Big Three would be hardpressed to defeat the stacked Hornets, Lakers and Rockets this season anyway.

The Jazz might surpass the Spurs before you know it.

You "punt" this season away, keep Oklahoma from cashing in on our first rounder and take your chances in the lottery.

Luck is always on the Spurs side in the lottery.



I am trying to enable the front office here!

[ChumpDumper]

Waaaah.


You still have not opined one single suggestion for how the Spurs can keep the championship window open.Get healthy first, then see what trades come up in the coming months. We're not going to get anything in November.




And if you say "sign a Toro," I will flamethrow you all over this board, you gutless conservative.I'd probably sign a Dakota Wizard first this season.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

What this team really needs is a modern day Cherokee Parks.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

The Spurs could definitely get their guys back and play great in December and throughout the second half of the season. I'm afraid an awful start will be too much to overcome in the Western Conference.

I agree with this.

Time to play the youngsters and see what happens, to jettison Finley as soon as possible out the nearest hatch, to hope that KT and Bruce are injured and not simply unable to play at NBA level any more, and to pray that Ian Mahinmi is the Third Coming.

The spot we are in was caused by the stubborn 2010 plan, which began after the 2007 trophy and was fool's gold to begin with. How you waste 3 years of Tim's prime on a free agent hope in 2010 is beyond me. Without the bloody stupid 2010 plan, who knows what we could have gotten with the full MLE in the last two offseasons? And how did we bypass Matt Barnes for the minimum???

BTW, someone mentioned Earl Clark - he's a long swing, all-court player with balls of ice who would fit really well here I think.

[Kori Ellis]

Who are you guys wanting to tank to get?

Is their a franchise player in the draft?

[mexicanjunior]

Who are you guys wanting to tank to get?

Is their a franchise player in the draft?

Not yet but you never know who will show themselves as studs during the NCAA season...

[m33p0]

no more finley, bonner, bowen(gulp), vaughn, kt. time for the new kids to play with mr. duncan and learn to win games by themselves.

[Harry Callahan]

This 2010 plan assumed that the Spurs could win with their core of three stars and good supporting cast.

That plan works when the three stars are healthy. Guess what? They aren't healthy and Pop is having to rely on some very young kids who aren't as talented as say a Michael Beasley.

The Spurs defense has been terrible so far this year - a complete 180 from what we are used to seeing and losses are beginning to pile up.

I was not looking for a great start this year, but this is getting ugly very quickly.

[SequSpur]

Look, Spurs don't have to tank. They aren't good enough to beat the heat or the mavs at home. shit, they aren't even good enough to compete.

Tanking is inevitable...

How the hell do you think they are going to win without manu and parker?????

lmao

it's over.

[Mr. Body]

Look, Spurs don't have to tank. They aren't good enough to beat the heat or the mavs at home. shit, they aren't even good enough to compete.

Tanking is inevitable...

I have said this, too.

[SenorSpur]

But, if you think about it, the Spurs don't need another "franchise" player. But, if they get one of the best small forwards or centers in the draft, even if he's not a franchise star, with Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili, that's probably enough.

Maybe an Earl Clark or a Hasheem Thabeet... neither a franchise player, but both would step right in seamlessly and immediately make the Spurs much, much better, younger, more athletic without disrupting the pecking order offensively.

Not that I'm advocating tanking, but with a team like the Spurs, they wouldn't need a franchise player, just a really, really good player to fill in some of their needs right now.

You make a great point. Rather than a franchise player, if the Spurs simply were to secure one of the best small forwards in the draft or a young big, that would work well.

However, there is one thing wrong with that pipe dream. The Spurs traded their 2009 first round pick away to the Sonics (now OKC) in the Kurt Thomas deal. That's why missing out on Nicolas Batum was so damaging to their restocking effort.

Therefore for draft positioning sake, the Spurs cannot afford to be mediocre. They must be really, really good or really, really bad.

[SenorSpur]

Hasheem Thabeet would be a nice lottery pick to fit on the Spurs. Great size and actually runs the court really well for a big guy. Would immediately help with rebounding, and could erase some mistakes defensively with shot blocking. Plus, he wouldn't really disrupt the offense, which still will be in the capable hands of Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili. But, he would probably help with second chance opportunities with offensive rebounding.

Any info on Hasheem Thabeet? What kind of player is he?

[wildbill2u]

It's not a question of chosing to tank. They might just tank naturally.:tu

When two of your Big Three are gone for a while, two starting veterans can't pull their weight and the rest of the bench is rookies or useless, the odds are you won't have a good season.

The injuries to Manu and Parker have revealed the veteran weaknesses of this year's team.

1.Check out Thomas' stats for the last few years and you'll see a steady decline. That's why other teams got rid of him. I never thought he was going to be as good as most folks did.
2. Finley--no point in beating a dead horse. Thanks for the memories of your championship year.
3. Bowen--his apparent decline to ineffectiveness on defense is shocking--and that's all that kept him from being a liability on the court on offense.
4. Vaughn--last gasps out of a veteran who's tank is about empty. He tries hard but has never been more than a backup.
5. Bonner--As much as I wanted Big Red to succeed here, he hasn't.

Usually you hope veterans will carry a team and help the rookies. This year may prove to be the exception that proves the rule. This year could get ugly real fast

[TDMVPDPOY]

why not trade for curry + rose? or rose + lee?

[Man In Black]

The problem with the tank this year is there aren't any Franchise prospects, so far.

This looks like another "Andrew Bogut #1 draft pick" year.

Maybe Ricky Rubio will be in the draft, there's 1 talented high schooler (Brandon Jennings) that went to Europe and maybe he'll be back. But it looks to be a very slim draft.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2009/
This draft site shows their choices for the first round including Rubio. But...do any of these players seem like a top 4 at their position once they're in the NBA?

That to me is IMPACT!

[Allanon]

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2009/
This draft site shows their choices for the first round including Rubio. But...do any of these players seem like a top 4 at their position once they're in the NBA?

That to me is IMPACT!

The problem with this year's draft appears to be high risk and lots of mediocrity. There's a very high probability of bust within the Top10 picks.

There are 3 players with a very high talent ceiling: Ricky Rubio (Jason Kidd+White Chocolate), DeMar (Kobe) and Brandon Jennings (Allen Iverson).

But at the same time, they could turn out to be: Mookie Blalock, Gerald Green and Von Wafer.

There are safe/solid picks like: BJ, Hasheem Thabeet, Tyler Hansborough. They would be like the Antawn Jamison's of the NBA, solid but not spectacular.

I'm not high on Blake Griffin, he looks to be a bust pick who will get taken in the Top5.

But there are no clear cut Tim Duncan, LeBron, Dwayne Wade type of players in this draft.

There are some possible steals to be had in the later picks: Patrick Mills and Darren Collison.

[Man In Black]

Like I said Allanon...
Impact player...you're a smart Laker fan and a true basketball fan...do you see anyone here worth tanking for like GW asks?

[ManuTastic]

I actually totally agree with Ghost Writer, except I think we should play all of our young players all freakin season, and take whatever record and standing we get. We will not make the playoffs if we do that, so we'll still be a lottery team.

It makes no sense to try your hardest, risk injury, and make the 6th spot only to get trounced by the Lakers and be in the same exact position next year, when you can rest up, get a good pick, and be in a better position next year.

Then again, with what we've seen from our FO the past few years, we can be assured that they would manage to fuck it up by picking Tyler Hansborough's little red-headed brother or something.

I agree with most of this. Here's the deal: Pop won't tank, and he trusts veterans. However, he hates shitty D. So when Finley, Bonner, KT etc. are handing out free rides, he'll HAVE TO bench them and play the young guys. They will get better with PT. We'll lose a lot of games with the youngsters, just like we would with the oldsters, but we'll be growing a new crop of players for next year.
It's like tanking, only with dignity.

Also, great line about the red-headed brother :lol

[Man In Black]

Just get to the playoffs...Sports lore is littered...I mean littered with improbable sports stories of team winning when it's highly unlikely. Pop always says that when playoffs come around, you have to be able to win on the road. Houston did it as a 6th seed, so like Curt Schilling said during the bloody sock run to the World Series...WHY NOT US?

[Allanon]

Like I said Allanon...
Impact player...you're a smart Laker fan and a true basketball fan...do you see anyone here worth tanking for like GW asks?

Thank you, there are alot of good posters on this forum such as yourself that make it a good place to discuss basketball.

As for your question, no I don't think there are any players tank worthy. I mean, you gotta bring out the big guns when you see LeBron or Tim Duncan in the draft but I don't see anybody like that this year.

But IF you're willing to take a risk, those 3 guys (Ricky, DeMar, Jennings) could be GREAT or they might be total busts. Is Pop a gambling man? :)

The rest you could probably pick up late in any good year draft.

[DPG21920]

What a difference a month makes.

[ChumpDumper]

Hell, we're only 17.5 games out of last place in December.

We can still do this, people!

[ClingingMars]

lmao @ this thread

-Mars

[spursfaninla]

GW seems to have evaporated after his early appearance. Premature jumpoffthebandwagon for a Spursfan is like a big zit for a teenager; it can only be embarrassing.

[Reck]

Please do bookmark it.


Why is this idea so outlandish?

Would you rather let Duncan carry the burden of a lackluster lineup for the next 4-5 years and then wind up in the lottery...


... or tank this year and go into the lottery while we still would have 3-4 more years of Duncan?




Remember that David Robinson guy? If the Spurs don't tank the year he hurt his back, then there's no Duncan and no titles.

We'd be the team formerly known as the Sonics right about now. Or worse. They made deal to get Ray Allen a few years ago. We can't so things like that.




Tank! It the only way to stay good.

Self ownaged has never been so sweet. :lmao

[T Park]

Self ownaged has never been so sweet. :lmao

This coming from the guy who has rooted for the Spurs to "Lose bad" or get blownout?


Go back to spursreport kid.

[CubanMustGo]

I thought this was going to be about the Cowboys.

[Reck]

This coming from the guy who has rooted for the Spurs to "Lose bad" or get blownout?


Go back to spursreport kid.

WTF are you talking about?

Bring up a post that I've had say the Spurs to lose badly or get blown out.

I can recall saying something like..the Spurs will get blown out by the Magic if they keep playing like they were. Never had I rooted for the Spurs to lose on pure malice.

Oh and just for your info, I hadn't even heard of Spursreport till I signed on here so do yourself a favor and stfu.

[T Park]

WTF are you talking about?

Bring up a post that I've had say the Spurs to lose badly or get blown out.

I can recall saying something like..the Spurs will get blown out by the Magic if they keep playing like they were. Never had I rooted for the Spurs to lose on pure malice.

Oh and just for your info, I hadn't even heard of Spursreport till I signed on here so do yourself a favor and stfu.


Go reread the gameblog against the Hornets, but go ahead and go to Spursreport, all of your kind is there and wanted.

[Reck]

Go reread the gameblog against the Hornets, but go ahead and go to Spursreport, all of your kind is there and wanted.

Dude half the posters that day on that thread were saying all sorts of things, not just me.

I said


I hope, I pray to god for the Spurs to lose this.

Fucking bitches.

On the account of how the Spurs just shut themselves down after leading the whole game and losing in the final stretch.

[T Park]

Dude half the posters that day on that thread were saying all sorts of things, not just me.

I said



On the account of how the Spurs just shut themselves down after leading the whole game and losing in the final stretch.



So that makes it ok?


Nice try.

[Reck]

So that makes it ok?


Nice try.

It makes it ok for me. They had that win. They lose it. Simple enough.

[T Park]

It makes it ok for me. They had that win. They lose it. Simple enough.

So it makes it ok to say "I hope they lose"


You hope your team loses. If your ok with being that bad of a fan, then no problem.

[Reck]

So it makes it ok to say "I hope they lose"


You hope your team loses. If your ok with being that bad of a fan, then no problem.

You dont get it.

People often say I hope they lose. Meaning they should lose so they can get their shit together.

After that breakdown on the 4th quarter they needed to lose so they can wake up and not let it happen the next time they face someone like say the Magic or Hornets or whatever team is next.

I cant get much clearer than that so this is gonna be my last explaination to you.

[T Park]

You dont get it.

People often say I hope they lose. Meaning they should lose so they can get their shit together.

After that breakdown on the 4th quarter they needed to lose so they can wake up and not let it happen the next time they face someone like say the Magic or Hornets or whatever team is next.

I cant get much clearer than that so this is gonna be my last explaination to you.



No I can't honestly understand how a fan of the team that loses, would he happy or hoped they would lose a game.

Theres no amount of explanation or BS giving can go to justifying that.

[smeagol]

No I can't honestly understand how a fan of the team that loses, would he happy or hoped they would lose a game.

Theres no amount of explanation or BS giving can go to justifying that.

You're lucky this guy was not around for the 2005 playoffs :lmao

[mexicanjunior]

Since the Cowboys are dead...the Spurs are all I have left.

[Boulevard1]

If your ok with being that bad of a fan, then no problem.

Finals 2005. STFU

[T Park]

Finals 2005. STFU


Who are you and why should I give a fuck what you think.

[ChumpDumper]

Look out! He's from Spurs Report!

[Shastafarian]

Look out! He's from Spurs Report!

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/specials/sexiest_man/covers/1_27_86_300x400.jpg

[completely deck]

Sooo what happened with T Park and the 05 Finals?

[K-State Spur]

Sooo what happened with T Park and the 05 Finals?

I don't remember whether it was after game 4 or game 6, but he basically gave up on the team and said they had no chance. Said that if they came back and won the series, he wouldn't post on here again for a year.

Lasted about 6 hours...

(But Kori forgave him, so no point in anybody else holding it over his head.)

[And T Park, if I misrepresented it - go ahead and correct me]

[Reck]

(But Kori forgave him, so no point in anybody else holding it over his head.)

I would.

The guy has been on my case since I joined saying I'm not a fan of the Spurs because I'm vocal about them when they perform bad or have a good game turned bad.

He acts like a good old Spurs fan when clearly he was no better than me back then. Nice to know this little fact.

[Allanon]

Why are you Spur fans picking on each other with the Spurs having such a nice record when there are so many other trolls to beat up on?

Here how about this.... I think the Spurs still need to get through January/Mid Feb before you can start saving up for those Playoff tickets.

There was another thread about it but after the next 5 games, that upcoming schedule looks pretty rough, we'll know what the Spurs are made of after that.

[DPG21920]

Allanon, you said the wolves, grizz and OKC were legit.

[Allanon]

Allanon, you said the wolves, grizz and OKC were legit.

The Grizz are still legit in my opinion. Wolves not too bad. OKC really sucks.

[xtremesteven33]

i still think the Spurs are a minor piece or two away from really being the favorites to win the West.

Im not worried about containing the Lakers in a playoffs series. We seem to dictate the game pace whenever we play them but what i am kind of concerned about it the SF position. We need a young long athletic 3 who can hustle for rebounds and defend 3 or 4's.

Man i wish we had Gist. :(

[DPG21920]

Here how about this.... I think the Spurs still need to get through January/Mid Feb before you can start saving up for those Playoff tickets.



The Grizz are still legit in my opinion. Wolves not too bad. OKC really sucks.

Wait, so the Grizz who are 10-20 and have lost to the spurs 3 times this year are legit, but the Spurs who are 20-10 need to prove something before getting to the playoffs?

[DPG21920]

Also 5-24 is "not too bad"? I mean, I like the Wolves and they show some flashes, but they are not even close.

[Allanon]

Wait, so the Grizz who are 10-20 and have lost to the spurs 3 times this year are legit, but the Spurs who are 20-10 need to prove something before getting to the playoffs?

Legit as in being a Playoff Contender. For the Spurs, it's more of being a championship contender, rather than just a Playoff contender.

The Spurs can easily make the Playoffs. The challenge is:
1) Being a high seed
2) Winning a championship

For the Grizz
1) Making the Playoffs

[Allanon]

Also 5-24 is "not too bad"? I mean, I like the Wolves and they show some flashes, but they are not even close.

I think the Wolves can compete with most teams on most nights. You can't sleep on them. OKC, you can bring your B game and still beat them.

[m33p0]

Why are you Spur fans picking on each other with the Spurs having such a nice record when there are so many other trolls to beat up on?

Here how about this.... I think the Spurs still need to get through January/Mid Feb before you can start saving up for those Playoff tickets.

There was another thread about it but after the next 5 games, that upcoming schedule looks pretty rough, we'll know what the Spurs are made of after that.
playoff tickets? you said, the Spurs should tank the season. why should we need playoff tickets?

[m33p0]

the grizz lost many close games. their record could be vastly different.

[DPG21920]

the grizz lost many close games. their record could be vastly different.

There is a reason they lose those close games. I still think they are a few more pieces away and a few more years. But they do have some nice players.

[Allanon]

playoff tickets? you said, the Spurs should tank the season. why should we need playoff tickets?

If the Spurs draw the Lakers in the first round as a #8 seed, I think the Spurs are better off tanking.

If the Laker matchup is any other round, I say go for it.

[Brazil]

If the Spurs draw the Lakers in the first round as a #8 seed, I think the Spurs are better off tanking.

If the Laker matchup is any other round, I say go for it.

Allanon not again !!! :lmao

[Allanon]

Allanon not again !!! :lmao

:D Isn't it better than Spur fans fighting each other?

C'mon fishies.

[Brazil]

:D Isn't it better than Spur fans fighting each other?

C'mon fishies.

:toast I think you're a double agent admit it you're a spurs fan first. :)

[m33p0]

If the Spurs draw the Lakers in the first round as a #8 seed, I think the Spurs are better off tanking.

If the Laker matchup is any other round, I say go for it.
oh really. well i think the lakers are still 1 shady deal away from being champions. and yes, the spurs are better than tanking.

[xellos88330]

Spurs will always be contenders in my eyes.

[ivanfromwestwood]

come on people. we seen the spurs win championships with less talent. our squad is fine. once this team gets it together, the nba will take notice.

[Dex]

:D Isn't it better than Spur fans fighting each other?

C'mon fishies.

I want the Spurs to draw Lakers again. Even considering that we usually end up on the short frickin side of this stick.

The rivalry is too good to pass up and the Spurs have some payback to do.

[peskypesky]

come on people. we seen the spurs win championships with less talent. our squad is fine. once this team gets it together, the nba will take notice.

:toast

I feel really good about this squad. As long as they stay healthy, I think they can win the West. If LA has home-court advantage (and they probably will), it's going to be damn tough to beat them...but we can do it.

Now the Celtics. Well, they look hella daunting. To beat them, I think we definitely need another quality big man.

[ClingingMars]

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/specials/sexiest_man/covers/1_27_86_300x400.jpg

lol, NCIS

-Mars

[tp2021]

lol, Ghost Writer.

[jag]

Here how about this.... I think the Spurs still need to get through January/Mid Feb before you can start saving up for those Playoff tickets.



The Spurs can easily make the Playoffs. The challenge is:
1) Being a high seed
2) Winning a championship



You try to argue (i assume while sitting in front of your computer with a straight face) that the Grizzlies(10-20) and wolves(5-24) are "legit"... then claim that the Spurs (20-10) need to get through Jan/Feb before you can assess whether or not they are a playoff caliber team. Then, not 30 min later, you claim that the Spurs are easily a playoff caliber team.

You must have been bored...cause you were basically just posting out of your ass.

[m33p0]

You try to argue (i assume while sitting in front of your computer with a straight face) that the Grizzlies(10-20) and wolves(5-24) are "legit"... then claim that the Spurs (20-10) need to get through Jan/Feb before you can assess whether or not they are a playoff caliber team. Then, not 30 min later, you claim that the Spurs are easily a playoff caliber team.

You must have been bored...cause you were basically just posting out of your ass.
he's a classic example of a fence sitter.

[rascal]

You do realize that tanking the season to get a lottery pick next year would taint the astounding success our franchise has enjoyed over the last 20 years, don't you? Even if tanking would guarantee a superstar (which it won't), is it really worth the consequences? I say no way.

Tanking the season is the wussy way out of it.


Then the spurs already took the wussy way out when they tanked to increase their odds to land Duncan. It was the smart move not to play Robinson at the end of that season because even a couple of more wins could have cost the chance to get Duncan. No Duncan- no titles.

[rascal]

the grizz lost many close games. their record could be vastly different.

Thats the difference between good playoff teams and bad lottery teams. The lottery teams lose the close games.

[rascal]

If the Spurs draw the Lakers in the first round as a #8 seed, I think the Spurs are better off tanking.

If the Laker matchup is any other round, I say go for it.

The spurs won't beat the Lakers in any round.

Its the Lakers vs Boston in a repeat from last years finals with the Lakers winning this time.

[underdawg]

The spurs won't beat the Lakers in any round.

Its the Lakers vs Boston in a repeat from last years finals with the Lakers winning this time.

I'm always jealous of the realist/pessimist Spurs fan - they live in a happy world of the absolute realization of our imminent failure while I'm drowning in optimism and hope.

[Shastafarian]

I'm always jealous of the realist/pessimist Spurs fan - they live in a happy world of the absolute realization of our imminent failure while I'm drowning in optimism and hope.

Or while you're watching the Lakers' shitty defense. Any of those.

[angelbelow]

I'm always jealous of the realist/pessimist Spurs fan - they live in a happy world of the absolute realization of our imminent failure while I'm drowning in optimism and hope.

thats a damn good post.

[SpurAddict561]

hahaha we're 2nd in the West after our worst start in 10 years, really.

I'm pretty satisfied with where we're at, we're still gelling with the new cast

you should know we don't get FULLY rollin till the All Star break

or maybe you don't...because you're not a die hard like I

carry on

[m33p0]

Then the spurs already took the wussy way out when they tanked to increase their odds to land Duncan. It was the smart move not to play Robinson at the end of that season because even a couple of more wins could have cost the chance to get Duncan. No Duncan- no titles.
they might as well put a chainsaw on DRob's back since that's what's gonna happen if they forced the Admiral to play that year. and the spur's chances of getting duncan was miniscule compared to boston's chances.


Thats the difference between good playoff teams and bad lottery teams. The lottery teams lose the close games.
they're a good lottery team, imo.

[Boulevard1]

Who are you and why should I give a fuck what you think.

1. Someone who's been around longer than you have been

2. Because I've had to suffer through years and years of your drama queen antics (you were around at Spursreport too, preggo) and it feels great to catch you on the front end of your I'm-better-than-everyone-even-though-I-have-the-mental-capacity-of-a-peanut one day and wah-wah-nobody-loves-me-I'm-leaving-/emo the next day routine and tell you to shut the fuck up.

[phxspurfan]

bump preemptively

[Ghost Writer]

I stand by this wish.

Look at the Spurs current record and roster.

In your mind's eye and heart of hearts, do you really see the Spurs having the same commitment to defense, offensive cohesion, energetic athleticism and/or sheer basketball talent to defeat the Jazz, Hornets or Lakers in a best of seven this year?

The answer is "no" with all things being equal (meaning if all the teams have their best players available for the playoffs).

Since the Spurs can't compete for a title this year and the front office either can't or won't acquire the kind of help necessary to re-open the championship window, why not do what got the Spurs the four titles in the first place?

Tank and hope to Pop they can get some help though the draft.

You see, the Spurs' best players (at least the better ones that have actually re-upped with San Antonio) since I have been following the Spurs since 1988 have all come via the draft.

Sean Elliott
David Robinson
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker

You "fans" need to finally come to terms with the fact that we owe the four titles mostly to blind luck -- two #1 lottery picks (D-Rob and Duncan) that yielded a couple of Shaqs instead of Olowokandis. And then two deep picks (which I applaud the front office for, credit where credit is due) that resulted in the Spurs' current Big Three (Manu and Parker).

(By the way, you people genuflect to the Spurs front office for the Manu and Parker picks, but what about the countless other wasted drafts?)

The bottom line is that since we know the Spurs front office can't/won't bring in real, tangible help for one more title push and we can look at history to see how the Spurs got really good, why fvck would you NOT beg to tank this year (especially with manu and Parker out for a good part of 2008)?





















Question.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Because we still have a chance to win the championship.

[ElNono]

I stand by this wish.

Look at the Spurs current record and roster.

...

Question.

You and your analysis suck... You should change your nick to 'KneeJerk'...

[rascal]

Because we still have a chance to win the championship.


There is no chance with the roster as it is. Stop fooling yourself in believing the spurs will win.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

There is no chance with the roster as it is. Stop fooling yourself in believing the spurs will win.

I disagree.

[BlackSwordsMan]

:ttiwwp:

[in2deep]

There is no chance with the roster as it is. Stop fooling yourself in believing the spurs will win.

there is chance. look around the NBA... all elite teams are losing. There is no favorite right now.

If Orlando, New Orleans have a clear chance for a championship, the Spurs do too

[ClingingMars]

Because we still have a chance to win the championship.

[Ghost Writer]

Because we still have a chance to win the championship.

Not unless there are significant injuries to the Lakers and Hornets and I'll even throw the Jazz in there.

[rascal]

there is chance. look around the NBA... all elite teams are losing. There is no favorite right now.

If Orlando, New Orleans have a clear chance for a championship, the Spurs do too

Who says Orlando has a chance? That team is not playoff tested or ready yet.

they have had a nice start to the season but thats it. No way are they ready to knock off the Lakers or Boston in a 7 game series. Those are the top 2 teams for the title this year.

[spursfaninla]

First, if we were to lose every game from here on out, which is not really possible unless we tried to lose those games, we would still not be sure to get a player that would 1) necessarily fit our needs, i.e. another bigman that can rebound, block shots, and score outside the paint. We have already won too many games to effectively tank.

Second, the Jazz are not contending. Maybe you don't keep up with the news, but they are having major injury problems that make them a big question mark.

New Orleans? They are not looking like they improved from last year. Paul is playing great, but I think they have not proven they are in a different class than the Spurs. If we are playing as well as we have so far, and if Manu continues to recover, we are fine against them.

Lakers: Well, you have to give them that they are very deep, great scorers and they CAN turn up the defensive intensity to a great degree. But I"m not sold on them being clutch outside of Kobe, and if we can just survive their inside scoring, we should be ok. Realistically, I consider us significant underdogs, but we have the best chance in the west.

We do have talent on this roster outside of the big 3.

Bonner, Mason and Hill are all playing well this year. Bruce has finally started to show his age, but we have guys coming in next year anyway. Ian should be ready to try again next year from his fluke injuries. Ian, Hairston, Gist, and free agency?

Tanking makes sense when you have NO chance, and I don't think most Spurs fans, much less the coach, think that is the case. Each year, probably 80% of the teams have NO chance to win; should they all be tanking? Maybe the Spurs are now underdogs, but underdogs do sometimes win it (see Spurs 03, 05).

If you are close, you are foolish to just blow it up. And that is what it would take to legitimately "tank." We would have to sell off Manu, Parker, and Probably Mason in order to start actually losing enough to get into the lottery.

Sorry, but this is just idiotic.

[ChumpDumper]

Why did you wait for a loss to bump this?

Why didn't you bump this after the win against the Lakers?

You're a foulweather fan.

[rascal]

First, if we were to lose every game from here on out, which is not really possible unless we tried to lose those games, we would still not be sure to get a player that would 1) necessarily fit our needs, i.e. another bigman that can rebound, block shots, and score outside the paint. We have already won too many games to effectively tank.

Second, the Jazz are not contending. Maybe you don't keep up with the news, but they are having major injury problems that make them a big question mark.

New Orleans? They are not looking like they improved from last year. Paul is playing great, but I think they have not proven they are in a different class than the Spurs. If we are playing as well as we have so far, and if Manu continues to recover, we are fine against them.

Lakers: Well, you have to give them that they are very deep, great scorers and they CAN turn up the defensive intensity to a great degree. But I"m not sold on them being clutch outside of Kobe, and if we can just survive their inside scoring, we should be ok. Realistically, I consider us significant underdogs, but we have the best chance in the west.

We do have talent on this roster outside of the big 3.

Bonner, Mason and Hill are all playing well this year. Bruce has finally started to show his age, but we have guys coming in next year anyway. Ian should be ready to try again next year from his fluke injuries. Ian, Hairston, Gist, and free agency?

Tanking makes sense when you have NO chance, and I don't think most Spurs fans, much less the coach, think that is the case. Each year, probably 80% of the teams have NO chance to win; should they all be tanking? Maybe the Spurs are now underdogs, but underdogs do sometimes win it (see Spurs 03, 05).

If you are close, you are foolish to just blow it up. And that is what it would take to legitimately "tank." We would have to sell off Manu, Parker, and Probably Mason in order to start actually losing enough to get into the lottery.

Sorry, but this is just idiotic.

Great post. The Spurs will make the playoffs.

This thread was made early in the season when the Spurs looked like they would put themselves in a big hole with the injuries to Manu and Parker but the Spurs won enough games with those 2 out that they will finish somewhere in the middle of the playoff seeding.


I understand Ghost's logic that the best players the Spurs get are from the draft and having a lottery pick gives them a great chance to add a very good player this summer that they would not otherwise have. Since they are not likely to win it all this year as the roster stands now it would be better for the franchise's future to land a top lottery draft pick.

[Ghost Writer]

Exactly, rascal.

This thread was started to bring light to the fact that the front office has done little or nothing to enhance the team's chances to win titles in the Duncan era, as evidenced by the team's early futility without Manu and Parker and the fact that the Spurs' best players come via the draft.

My desperation comes from my lack of confidence in the front office to add a significant upgrade through a trade or free agent signing.

This team's M.O. is to win a lottery, get lucky with a deep pick and surround the best players with veterans and waiver wire players that nobody else wants.

It's frustrating, because while the "fans" here are grateful for four titles, I lament at least 3 other titles that there is no good reason why the Spurs should have lost with the slightest upgrade in team talent.

[Ghost Writer.]

The funny thing is that after looking at my post and logic, it really doesn't make much sense. The Spurs went out picked up one of the best FA's in the market this summer and drafted a solid player that fits one of their needs. We didn't know it at the time, but now compared to the others the Spurs' front office got a solid player for a fair price. Also, I guess my logic was a little flawed when I said that this team could have won 3 more titles with a better front office. I mean really - what other front office could have done better. Could they have pulled off 7 titles in 10 years with a mid-market team? That really does sound pretty ridiculous in retrospect.


"It ain't trickin' if ya got it."
:devil

[Illusionarist]

Well unfortunately i agree that this year it does not seem that we are getting another championship. However like you said no good prospects that year. Certainly we will have to tank one of the following years to renew the team and find a teammate for Tony and Manu(as long as he plays). We have to find a new BIG PLAYER!!! so that we can continue our dynasty. After all we do not to become old and doomed like Celtiks.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Not unless there are significant injuries to the Lakers and Hornets and I'll even throw the Jazz in there.

Nope, I'm pretty sure we have a chance.

[SequSpur]

oberto, bonner, thomas, croshere...what a waste of fukin time...

spurs are gonna get ass spanked on this road trip.

late..

[Ghost Writer]

Well unfortunately i agree that this year it does not seem that we are getting another championship. However like you said no good prospects that year. Certainly we will have to tank one of the following years to renew the team and find a teammate for Tony and Manu(as long as he plays). We have to find a new BIG PLAYER!!! so that we can continue our dynasty. After all we do not to become old and doomed like Celtiks.

Finally, a fan with a healthy sense of his team and history.

The rest of you would prefer to see Duncan labor heavily in his waning years, much like an old donkey with owners who keep piling more bricks on his back.

I'd prefer NOT to watch the Spurs degrade to also-ran status, watch Duncan retire, suffer through Pop knows how many losing seasons, just to become like the Milwaukee Bucks.




P.S.

Bet yo' @ss Pop retires when Duncan does.

[exstatic]

P.S.

Bet yo' @ss Pop retires when Duncan does.

Great prediction, Nostra Dumbass, especially when Pop's been quoted on numerous occasions as saying he's going to do just that.

[Ghost Writer]

Great prediction, Nostra Dumbass, especially when Pop's been quoted on numerous occasions as saying he's going to do just that.
It was less a prediction and more of a declaration.

Save the juvenile insults for your Baseline Bums. You're addressing someone with an intellect.

If he had b@lls, he'd see what coaching is like without the best power forward in the game.



P.S.

Put your thunder sticks down for a second and see if my fears for the team's immediate future might actually be what you think when the beer buzz has faded and your alone with your Tony Parker bobblehead doll.

You know I'm right.

[ducks]

tp might be able to bring in a superstar duncan failed to convince a superstar fa to sign and play

[ducks]

bosh and tp would = title without duncan in 4 years

[Ghost Writer]

tp might be able to bring in a superstar duncan failed to convince a superstar fa to sign and play

Oh, yeah, because a shoot-first Frenchie PG is going to be a bigger draw than the greatest power forward ever.

Is Tony going to promise said free agent that he can bang Eva, too?


Get real.

We're getting worse until Duncan retires. Then we'll be terrible for a number of year unless lightning strikes a third time.

[benefactor]

You're addressing someone with an intellect.
:lmao

[ducks]

that is what every one said when david robinson retired to years before he retired

[timvp]

I'm convinced GW gets an email alert when the Spurs lose by 20+ points so he can come and bump his threads.

[ducks]

with the economy the way it is
will the gms still pay those big bloated contracts to players that do not deserve the max

[spursfaninla]

Man, what a fall. Back in the day, you could really bring some arguments. But now? I just explained that to "tank" is not only impossible this year, but would be unlikely to do shit because the Spurs have such a specific need; a big with defense and outside shooting skills. You carry on, oblivious, as if your premise stands.

Further, the Spurs added two quality pieces this year, and you want to throw away one of Duncan's last few quality years for the CHANCE at a lottery pick that would take 2-3 years to become a key piece?

Ungrateful. I stand on the fact that Spurs fans should not act like we deserve championships, but should feel lucky to have had them. 90% of the league has talented teams that never went as far, and most never will. Many teams had better records the last 10 years than the spurs, and lost. Should their fans feel cheated?

Should we have done what Detroit did? Panic? Trade a key piece because you are not leading the league in wins?

good idea here, keep them coming.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I'm convinced GW gets an email alert when the Spurs lose by 20+ points so he can come and bump his threads.

Yeah, and his intellect neglects the fact that it was clearly a letdown game on and a bogey matchup almost as big as the Bucks (but that we're unlikely to ever see them in the Finals, so WGAF!).

:lmao

[spursfaninla]

oh wait, you were the guy who said we should trade for a baller right? Never mind.

[Ghost Writer]

Yeah, and his intellect neglects the fact that it was clearly a letdown game on and a bogey matchup almost as big as the Bucks (but that we're unlikely to ever see them in the Finals, so WGAF!).

:lmao

If you and timvp are down fondling each other, why don't you use your hands to type something that makes sense?

I don't have the will nor the desire to burden you people with how I really feel about the state of the Spurs every day like in the past.

My early 30s and a baby boy have shifted priorities and mellowed me a bit.

I don't want to make anyone's fan experience miserable.

Basically, I come on the board when either something really exciting happens or I get p1ssed off so bad that I need to vent.

This season has been like a slow, tortured attrition where you know the outcome months before it happens.

Our team simply is not as viable anymore... even at 100% healthy.

Our direct competitors are younger, hungrier and more talented across their rotations.

That's why I lament all the missed opportunities to win additional titles while the Big Three were all in their primes and relatively injury-free.

[Ghost Writer]

oh wait, you were the guy who said we should trade for a baller right? Never mind.

And you're the guy who still pines for Stephen Jackson and now currently plays with himself while staring at Roger Mason's photo in the Spurs yearbook.

Yeah, I'd like to bring in another "baller" rather than the old 6'10 white stiff of the day.

Do you San Antonioans realize we elected a Black president?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lmao

:lmao

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Do you San Antonioans realize we elected a Black president?

Just to add to facts that have no relation at all to what the topic is, I had a Hot n Spicy chicken sandwich, yogurt, and rocky road ice cream for dinner.

[benefactor]

Just to add to facts that have no relation at all to what the topic is, I had a Hot n Spicy chicken sandwich, yogurt, and rocky road ice cream for dinner.
I ate at Carmona's...and excellent Tex Mex place between Tyler and Dallas on I-20.

[ManuTP9]

Just to add to facts that have no relation at all to what the topic is, I had a Hot n Spicy chicken sandwich, yogurt, and rocky road ice cream for dinner.

+1, im hunrgy now

but on topic....:lmao

[Ghost Writer]

Just to add to facts that have no relation at all to what the topic is, I had a Hot n Spicy chicken sandwich, yogurt, and rocky road ice cream for dinner.

Dude, the front office is catering to the white fans when they have the audacity to start Bonner and bring a stiff like Croshere in.

Ask T Park.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I would have had Burger King, but it's been closed for remodeling.
This week was end of semester exams week at my school.
I hate physics.

[Ghost Writer]

Staying on topic:


How do you see the Spurs staying contenders this season through Duncan's retirement?



Question.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Dude, the front office is catering to the white fans when they have the audacity to start Bonner and bring a stiff like Croshere in.

Ask T Park.

So which baller was available?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Staying on topic:


How do you see the Spurs staying contenders this season through Duncan's retirement?



Question.

That question had a low amount of sense in it.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

If you and timvp are down fondling each other, why don't you use your hands to type something that makes sense?

I don't have the will nor the desire to burden you people with how I really feel about the state of the Spurs every day like in the past.

My early 30s and a baby boy have shifted priorities and mellowed me a bit.

I don't want to make anyone's fan experience miserable.

Basically, I come on the board when either something really exciting happens or I get p1ssed off so bad that I need to vent.

This season has been like a slow, tortured attrition where you know the outcome months before it happens.

Our team simply is not as viable anymore... even at 100% healthy.

Our direct competitors are younger, hungrier and more talented across their rotations.

That's why I lament all the missed opportunities to win additional titles while the Big Three were all in their primes and relatively injury-free.

Why comment if you're not going to watch the game and understand what happened?

As for all the "missed opportunities", c'mon, we were one play away in 04, and in 06, and some of the things that have happened were simply unfortunate (eg. not having Scola, Mahinmi or Splitter this year)... oh, and we won 3 rings since '03!

Anyway, glad your kid has changed your perspective for the better - I think that's called growing up, something I am yet to do. ;) However, don't expect to be taken quite as seriously around here any more since you openly admit you don't follow the team very closely because you have other priorities. That doesn't mean you don't have valid, interesting takes, but it does mean you are not the authority you once were.

[Shastafarian]

Dude, the front office is catering to the white fans when they have the audacity to start Bonner and bring a stiff like Croshere in.

Ask T Park.

The same Matt Bonner who was +12 with 12 points and 11 boards tonight?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Dude, the front office is catering to the white fans when they have the audacity to start Bonner and bring a stiff like Croshere in.

Ask T Park.

Playing the race card because we happen to have a weak frontcourt and there's no-one out there to strengthen it? C'mon man, you're better than that.

Also, Bonner is doing his job. It's not his fault we don't have Mahinmi on the court.

[Ghost Writer]

Dude, I still follow the team and watch the game and will comment when I see fit. It's a full-time job bringing you homers back to planet Earth and that is something I have no interest in doing all the time anymore. I can't afford to.

And I don't need validation from you Ruff, to know that I speak more of the truth about the Spurs than you are willing to admit. With all due respect.

Those missed opportunities you so dutifully mentioned all could have been easy wins with even the slightest uptick in team talent.

[Shastafarian]

Dude, I still follow the team and watch the game and will comment when I see fit. It's a full-time job bringing you homers back to planet Earth and that is something I have no interest in doing all the time anymore. I can't afford to.

And I don't need validation from you Ruff, to know that I speak more of the truth about the Spurs than you are willing to admit. With all due respect.

Those missed opportunities you so dutifully mentioned all could have been easy wins with even the slightest uptick in team talent.

Opinions can be "truth" now? :lol Can they also be "fact"?

[Ghost Writer]

That question had a low amount of sense in it.

It's actually quite direct.

You scoff at my admittedly outlandish musing of tanking to get a top pick to play with Duncan before he retires, so we might be able to really compete one more time for a title.




What's your strategy for getting to the mountaintop again?

[Ghost Writer]

Opinions can be "truth" now? :lol Can they also be "fact"?

Um, who said anything about opinions being the truth.

Facts are the truth.

My opinions just so happen to typically result in fact.

Figure it out while you take the banana out of your mouth.










No homo.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Dude, I still follow the team and watch the game and will comment when I see fit. It's a full-time job bringing you homers back to planet Earth and that is something I have no interest in doing all the time anymore. I can't afford to.

And I don't need validation from you Ruff, to know that I speak more of the truth about the Spurs than you are willing to admit. With all due respect.

Those missed opportunities you so dutifully mentioned all could have been easy wins with even the slightest uptick in team talent.

You don't need validation from anyone GW, that's why I like you. ;)

All I was saying is the Phili loss was entirely predictable and nothing to get messed up about.

As for the uptick in talent, do you honestly believe the FO hasn't done everything possible to put the best teams they can on the floor (within the fiscal constraints placed on them by ownership)? Of course they have. And sometimes you don't get the breaks, like our current bigman situation - nothing can be done about that. We'd be clear title contenders with Splitter, and it's not the FO's fault he screwed us all, nor their fault that Mahinmi tore an ankle ligament.

BTW, I am no homer. I know we need another big to have a hope this year. However, I expected much less from this team than they've delivered... and it's January. You and I are Spurs fans of long enough standing to know that you never judge a Spurs team until March and beyond.

Nice to see you back around the traps. :D

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

It's actually quite direct.

You scoff at my admittedly outlandish musing of tanking to get a top pick to play with Duncan before he retires, so we might be able to really compete one more time for a title.




What's your strategy for getting to the mountaintop again?
I guess I missed the announcement of the NBA getting rid of free agency and trade, thus making the draft the only way to acquire new players.

[Shastafarian]

Um, who said anything about opinions being the truth.

Facts are the truth.

My opinions just so happen to typically result in fact.

Figure it out while you take the banana out of your mouth.










No homo.
:lol you're funny, I'll give you that

[tp2021]

I'm so thankful GW took time out of his very busy day to point out the errors in our thinking. I sure hope the FO has his phone number.

[Ghost Writer]

I guess I missed the announcement of the NBA getting rid of free agency and trade, thus making the draft the only way to acquire new players.

Um, you are a Spurs fan, right?

When have we ever gotten an above average player outside of the draft that didn't leave at the first opportunity?


Question.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Um, you are a Spurs fan, right?

When have we ever gotten an above average player outside of the draft that didn't leave at the first opportunity?


Question.

Bruce.

[Ghost Writer]

Bruce.

Really. Seriously?

Bowen?!?

This is why I can't waste time here.

Answers like that.





I said "above average."

Not a guy that got cut and no one else wanted.

And who owns Bowen's career numbers.










You go out and get yourself another Bruce Bowen and everything will fall into place.

Wait, we already did and his name is Udoka.

:lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Really. Seriously?

Bowen?!?

This is why I can't waste time here.

Answers like that.
So then fuck off.

I said "above average."

Not a guy that got cut and no one else wanted.
I would say All-Defensive team mentions are above average.

You go out and get yourself another Bruce Bowen and everything will fall into place.

Wait, we already did and his name is Udoka.

:lol
Yea, no.

[Ghost Writer]

You get yourself that Bowen then.

Guaranteed title if you do, right?



Wow. Time for bed.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Well he did help out a lot in the last championship run. And the one before that. And the one before that.

Are you this much of a whiny bitch in person?

[tp2021]

That doesn't mean you don't have valid, interesting takes, but it does mean you are not the authority you once were.

:lol

Anyone who thinks GW is an authority needs to be, as Sean Elliott says, taken behind the woodshed.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol

Anyone who thinks GW is an authority needs to be, as Sean Elliott says, taken behind the woodshed.

:lol

[rascal]

And you're the guy who still pines for Stephen Jackson and now currently plays with himself while staring at Roger Mason's photo in the Spurs yearbook.

Yeah, I'd like to bring in another "baller" rather than the old 6'10 white stiff of the day.

Do you San Antonioans realize we elected a Black president?

Most Texans wanted the old white stiff for president.

[SequSpur]

authority? :lmao

Dude, Gw is right on this time. Answer the F in! Question.

[benefactor]

bump

[ManuTP9]

http://i28.tinypic.com/wrb3f9.jpg

[rascal]

Bump. I would not call it a thread fail just yet. The spurs were making the playoffs anyways so tanking the season was not an option but the premise that tanking is about the only way the Spurs would get a top young player is right on. The spurs do not make trades for top impact players and top free agents have no interest in coming to San Antonio.

Making the playoffs and getting knocked out by the Lakers is not a successful season for a team with a 4 or 5 year window.

[hater]

In retrospect, what a stupid thread

[Nathan Explosion]

"The spurs do not make trades for top impact players"

The Spurs don't have the assests outside of Duncan, Parker and Gino to make that type of trade.

People talk about getting younger with the draft, and then wanted to throw George Hill in every trade the first chance they got.

So, which is it? Get a top tier player in a trade or get a good young player in the draft.

And your rebuilding strategy sounds exactly like the Mexican retirement plan, Win the Lotto.

And yes, I'm of Mexican descent so stop the "racist" barbs before they start. It's called a joke.

[rascal]

"The spurs do not make trades for top impact players"

The Spurs don't have the assests outside of Duncan, Parker and Gino to make that type of trade.

People talk about getting younger with the draft, and then wanted to throw George Hill in every trade the first chance they got.

So, which is it? Get a top tier player in a trade or get a good young player in the draft.

And your rebuilding strategy sounds exactly like the Mexican retirement plan, Win the Lotto.

And yes, I'm of Mexican descent so stop the "racist" barbs before they start. It's called a joke.

Winning the lottery is the only way the spurs will get a franchise type of player or a top young player for that matter since they cannot make trades.

And whose fault is it that the spurs never seem to have any tradeable assets?

[Bartleby]

Winning the lottery is the only way the spurs will get a franchise type of player or a top young player for that matter since they cannot make trades.

And whose fault is it that the spurs never seem to have any tradeable assets?

The Spurs will have plenty of chances to win the lottery after TD retires. Until then they should focus on winning it all every year with the franchise players they have. Tanking when you have a legitimate chance to do that is idiotic.

[Nathan Explosion]

And whose fault is it that the spurs never seem to have any tradeable assets?

Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobilli's fault. You see, when you have good talent like that, you kind of have to pay to keep those players. And since the Spurs don't have a billionaire owner who has nothing to do but throw money away, the FO has to be frugal with their dealings.

Therefore, you keep the Big 3, build around them with role players and go out and win titles (4 to be exact). Then you try to rebuild through the draft and free agency knowing that unless you're willing to part with Duncan, Parker and Gino, you can't sign a top tier free agent.

What I want to know is, why should I listen to a fan on a message board and not trust Pop and RC when Pop and RC have a formula that is copied by almost everyone in the league?

[Spursfan092120]

Kinda weird. It seems like the fans would rather have crappy players so they can get tradeable assets. I thought this business was about winning..hmm..maybe I need to look into it a little more.

[Josepatches_]

We need a franchise player for the future when TD retires,maybe before his retirement if he still playing 4 or 5 more years.We will have to trade Manu and TP if we want to win the NBA in the future or we can't get a superstar like TD.Do it or we will not have any chance to win.

We are a tittle contender this year becasue TD is one of the best players of the league yet but he's going to be worse every year and the team is going to be worse with him.We only have 2 or 3 years before to begin the reconstruction of the team.

Even if we see that we aren't strong enough to beat the Lakers in the next playoffs maybe next year could be the time to look for the future

[Nathan Explosion]

We need a franchise player for the future when TD retires,maybe before his retirement if he still playing 4 or 5 more years.We will have to trade Manu and TP if we want to win the NBA in the future or we can't get a superstar like TD.Do it or we will not have any chance to win.

We are a tittle contender this year becasue TD is one of the best players of the league yet but he's going to be worse every year and the team is going to be worse with him.We only have 2 or 3 years before to begin the reconstruction of the team.

Even if we see that we aren't strong enough to beat the Lakers in the next playoffs maybe next year could be the time to look for the future

Show me any evidence that Duncan is slowing down. Any. In fact, look at Duncan's stats for every season he's been in the league, and they're almost identical with one exception, Duncan's minutes are down while his production is about the same.

And name me one player in college that can be a franchise player in the mold of David Robinson or Tim Duncan.

The biggest flaw in your logic is assuming that even if the Spurs do win the lottery, there will be a player in the mold of Duncan waiting for them. It took 10 years at least for Duncan to come after Robinson. You think all time greatest just show up every year on command?

Extreme luck got the Spurs their big men. Front office smarts built a contender around them and kept it that way for a long time. Now you want to throw that hard work away in favor of trying to go 3 for 3 in the luck department?

Again, smart drafting beats relying on the lottery any day. Look at the Clippers. In the lottery every year and nothing to show for it.

[TampaDude]

Manu's out until December-ish.

The top teams in the West are a year more experienced, healthier and/or added a new impact player. (Don't make me go into the specifics again.)

The Spurs obviously can't or are unwilling to bring in an impact player. The team is very old and some would argue, ineffective.




Fvck it. Let's tank!



Look at the Spurs' track record in seasons where they really sucked... it netted us not one, but two #1 all-franchise lottery picks.

Again, not your run-of-the-mill #1s.... we are talking about MVP-caliber centers that you can build a team around for a decade!



So I say pack it in early this year. Even with the Big 3 at 100%, I don't see the Spurs getting past the Jazz or Rockets and certainly not the Lakers or Hornets this year.


Tank now. Hope for another #1. Come back next year with the Big Three at full strength in Duncan's latter part of his career. Give it another try with a lottery pick in the starting lineup.



It will be beautiful. Do it now instead of pathetically dragging out 3-5 more painful playoff appearances.


Tank and begin the next era, while still winning.




It's time to start thinking about a succession strategy here. The lottery is how the Spurs get good.

I can't wait to quote this one again after the Spurs win :lobt: #5 this year.

[rascal]

Bump to keep this alive.
Wow last post in this was on Feb 23 and its already on the 22nd and last page.

[Marcus Bryant]

Why would Ghost want to tank a season in which Pop took Bowen out of the starting lineup?

Question.

:cooldevil

[Spursfan092120]

Bump to keep this alive.
Wow last post in this was on Feb 23 and its already on the 22nd and last page.
Believe me..people have it bookmarked..it'll be alive.

[traitoravery]

bump

[Cant_Be_Faded]

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We shoulda tanked.

[Hemotivo]

:lol

[rascal]

I'd rather the spurs have a lottery pick this yr to fortify their chances next year than get spanked by the Lakers again or get beat by the Hornets who will be tougher this year than last with the added year of playoff experience they got last year.

[HarlemHeat37]

lottery picks are overrated as fuck..

[rascal]

lottery picks are overrated as fuck..


Duncan was a lottery pick.

[benefactor]

I'd rather the spurs have a lottery pick this yr to fortify their chances next year than get spanked by the Lakers again or get beat by the Hornets who will be tougher this year than last with the added year of playoff experience they got last year.
Names of impact players in this years draft that will fortify our chances?

[benefactor]

Re-signing Drew Gooden or signing Rasheed Wallace would make more of an impact than any lottery pick will next season.